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Topic: Peg and link memory work
Message: Posted by: dd123 (Oct 1, 2014 10:19AM)
Hi all. I am currently learning the above system, and have correctly memorised a list of 100 random objects in and out of order. However I am not sure how to distinguish between different lists? I am having issues keeping the different lists separate in my mind. Is this a common issue? Any help greatly appreciated!
Regards, Duncan.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mindbender (Oct 1, 2014 01:34PM)
It has been for me at times. Unless I constantly run the various lists in my head, I, at times, get certain links confused. I've even gotten links within the same list confused! For example, the peg I use for 16 is "dish", but when I used my first 52 pegs to memorize a deck of cards, the 16th card in my stack is the 6 of diamonds, which for me is "dish" as well! Anyway, as long as I keep up with my lists on a daily basis, I'm able to keep things straight. It's only when a few days or a week goes by and I don't refries, that's when I run into problems.

Also, when it comes to memorizing long lists (like in your case, 100 random objects), I've started to use the memory palace system instead of a peg system. I've created 5 different memory palaces and I find that it's easier for me to keep those lists separate. You may want to look into that.

Hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Oct 1, 2014 02:03PM)
Keep in mind that the peg system is best suited as an aid to short term memory. If you use a list long enough it will move into long term memory and you won't need the mnemonics.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mindbender (Oct 1, 2014 02:19PM)
Unless you use whiskey long enough too😆
Message: Posted by: NeilMcCauley (Oct 1, 2014 02:28PM)
I would strongly recommend ditching the peg system and instead moving over to the Major System, possibly in combination with memory palaces, as Mr. Mindbender mentioned. I use Derren Brown's version of the Major System, where 1=l, 2=n, 3=m, 4=r, 5=f/v, 6=p/b, etc. That way, I have the same thing the peg system gives me (an object/image for the numbers 0-100), and also the ability to transform numbers to words on the fly. For instance, the Major System image for one is Loo (L for 1 and you fill in vowels to make it a word). So, if I were memorizing a list of randomly called objects, I would link the first object called to the image of a loo (toilet). So, that covers everything the peg system offers, but then I can use the system in conjunction with a memory palaces to keep lists separate. You could also use multiple words for the same numbers, if you wanted to memorize two lists. The word for 1 in one list could be Loo, but for another it could be Lee (someone's name). It's basically a much more flexible approach.

To sum-up: It's always best to use the memory system best suited to the task at hand (called out objects, order of a deck of cards, etc.). But I find the Major System with memory palaces to be the most powerful. This is a great forum to learn more about memory stuff: http://mt.artofmemory.com/
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Oct 1, 2014 03:34PM)
Neil-

If you're talking about rhyming peg systems I would agree, but the best peg system uses the numeric alphabet as well. And the Memory Palace is really nothing more than a primitive peg system itself. I learned all I need to now about mnemonics from the works of Harry Lorayne.
Message: Posted by: dd123 (Oct 1, 2014 04:24PM)
The peg system makes perfect sense to me, and I am learning it from Harry's book but I really feel that it could be even more useful if I could find a way to separate the lists. It works fine when the lists are fundamentally different e.g. Shakespeare's plays, and Dicken's novels. But when the lists are random objects then I run into trouble. I understand that with random objects these should just be used for short term feats Bob, but I was just thinking aloud really.
I'm not sure the memory palace would help me over and above what the peg system offers.
P.S. Bob, as I write this I am watching your Mental Miracles dvd for the first time! I'm not stalking you or anything though. Ahem.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Oct 1, 2014 05:48PM)
I watch that DVD once in a while myself just to look at who I was then. It's always nice to see the late Dennis Marks again. He hosted the lecture and was a dear friend. May he RIP.

Here's a tip, though, for using the peg system to remember multiple lists.

Suppose you have three lists, each containing one hundred items that you wish to memorize. Simply use the pegs for 1-100 for the first list, 101-200 for the second list, and 201- 300 for the third. Since pegs are easily created on the fly, it would be fairly easy to take this into the thousands if you had a serious desire to.
Message: Posted by: sandsjr (Oct 1, 2014 08:00PM)
Dd123 what are you memorizing in particular?
Message: Posted by: DocBenWiz (Oct 2, 2014 01:01AM)
[quote]On Oct 1, 2014, dd123 wrote:
Hi all. I am currently learning the above system, and have correctly memorised a list of 100 random objects in and out of order. However I am not sure how to distinguish between different lists? I am having issues keeping the different lists separate in my mind. Is this a common issue? Any help greatly appreciated!
Regards, Duncan. [/quote]

I learned decades ago to use the Roth system, which is a phonetic/ alphabet peg type system. Although I have gone to one hundred, rarely did a presentation requiring morethan 1 to 25.
Just wondering if you might try using a colors system overlaid on the objects you are visualizing if you are doing two ssts of 1 to 100?
That is, for example, visualize everything, every object peg and item in the color blue for 1 to 100 for one list, then "see" every item in red for the second list, 1 to 100. Don't know if that would help or work, but just a suggestion. :punkrocker:
Message: Posted by: dd123 (Oct 2, 2014 03:03AM)
Thanks all for some great suggestions. I think Bob's suggestion would work best. It's always the most simple solutions that are the most effective.
The reason I learnt 100 items was purely to test myself on the system. I can see that this would have no real commercial use but it was good to do, and pretty q quick too.
I think I will be trying to learn the card memory system next. Expect more questions on that!
Thanks again, Duncan.
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Oct 2, 2014 03:54AM)
+1 for the Major System.

Mike
Message: Posted by: jaymeswhite1219 (Oct 5, 2014 11:38PM)
If you are confusing yourself with different lists, what about if you added numbers so lets say list one is the peg words from 1-100 then for list two why not peg from 101-200, list three 201-300 etc. I know it sometimes is a bit tricky to come up with peg words after 100 but I know you can find a word for each one.
Message: Posted by: jaymeswhite1219 (Oct 5, 2014 11:39PM)
I did not see Bob's reply, and I just said the same thing.