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Topic: Potato head.......
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Dec 6, 2014 06:01PM)
Remember the routine where a person shapes a figurine into any shape they like and you remove a cloth from another figurine on your table and the positions of both figurines match? Well, now we have Mr Potato Head.....no kidding...

At first I thought that this was kind of dumb but after thinking about it...... I like it.....

Mr. Potato Head... http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/5013




Ray
Message: Posted by: Bill Cushman (Dec 6, 2014 06:29PM)
Looks very interesting though the plot seems familiar. Anyone?
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Dec 6, 2014 08:09PM)
Reminds me a lot of a high end Voo-Doo doll trick. Looks like a fun routine for the right performer and the right audience. It is different.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Dec 7, 2014 07:15AM)
Hmm 45 for a download, I'm doing something wrong.
Message: Posted by: VIEW (Dec 7, 2014 07:21AM)
Need to see a full demo.
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Dec 8, 2014 10:40AM)
I sprung for this. The demo is a bit misleading. According to the demo, the revelation is a duplicate MPH that is arranged the same way. The main method taught on the download is a different type of revelation. As a matter of fact he never goes into the specifics of how you would reveal an actual duplicate MPH, like it is shown in the video.

$45 IMO would not have been too much, IF you were getting what you saw, because in regards to the other info on the video, it is pretty thorough...just not what you (I) thought I may be getting.

Hope that makes sense and is not too cryptic.

Basic rundown of the ad

-Use it for close up and stage (True)
-Full professional script (True)
-Nothing written down (Not really the case...there are things printed and/or written down...depending on how you use this)
-No stooges or instant stooges (True)
-No assistants (True)
-No switches (True)
-No forces (False there is a force of one thing involved)
-No pre-show work (True)
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Dec 8, 2014 11:00AM)
Glad I avoided it by the sound of things.
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Dec 8, 2014 11:59AM)
I truly like the premise, and there are some valid tips. This could have been so much more. As it stands, it's a $15-$25 item. Not $45
Message: Posted by: Demitri (Dec 8, 2014 12:45PM)
If the demo video shows him revealing a duplicate MPH - and it's not taught on the video, that sounds like it's more than a bit misleading.
Message: Posted by: jerdunn (Dec 9, 2014 08:18PM)
Just watched the two demo videos on Penguin, and both show the duplicate Mr. Potato Head for the reveal.

Maybe the creator can come on and explain whether this is actually the reveal, with all the conditions stated in the ad (see below), or not. That would save a lot of speculation and possible complaints. (I know I'd never buy this download unless the reveal was the duplicate MPH -- which kind of seems like the whole point of such an effect.)

Let's stay tuned . . .

Jerry

Ad copy:
-Use it for close up and stage
-Full professional script
-Nothing written down
-No stooges or instant stooges
-No assistants
-No switches
-No forces
-No pre-show work.
Message: Posted by: dearwiseone (Dec 9, 2014 10:48PM)
Sorry to the creator, but this was a BIG disappointment. I purchased it, watched it today, and was left scratching my head. The demo video does NOT represent how the trick is likely to end. It's very misleading. I HATE when buyers are misled like this.

Firstly - Getting the Mr. Potatoe Head to appear under another box (as shown in the demo video) is NEVER even covered! Seriously. It's not even addressed! The odds of you doing what is portrayed in the demo video is 20%, according to my calculations.

The ad says no forces, that's not really true. As mentioned before there IS a force.

The video quality itself is disappointing. Aside from production issues (like voice only being on one speaker channel), the creator is VERY long-winded. Ten minutes into the video, you still don't know any more than you do from watching the trailer. The creator suggests printing off 100 3x5 cards one at a time on your home printer, which seemed to me the most roundabout, complicated way to utilize the particular force.

It appears what you're paying for is the creators method for narrowing down the number of outs you must have. Am I correct on this? (others who have purchased this can chime in.) Maybe I'm missing something, in which case I'm sorry.

I thought with glowing endorsements from Justin Flom and Reza this would be a good purchase, but I have to be honest and say that for $45, I was expecting much, much more. This was worth $9.95 or $14.95 at most!

I sincerely hope this helps others who may be thinking about purchasing this!
Kevin
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Dec 10, 2014 01:08AM)
[quote]

I thought with glowing endorsements from Justin Flom and Reza this would be a good purchase, but I have to be honest and say that for $45, I was expecting much, much more. This was worth $9.95 or $14.95 at most!

[/quote]


I've adopted the premise that endorsements mean absolutely nothing. So far, it's served me well.

Thanks for the review, sorry that this is so misleading and you wasted your money.
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Dec 10, 2014 02:02AM)
If the reveal isn't a duplicate MPH, then what is it? Is the demo wrong?
Message: Posted by: dearwiseone (Dec 10, 2014 02:31AM)
No, the demo isn't wrong, it's just very misleading. 4 out of 5 times you WILL NOT get the results shown in the demo!!!!(unless I'm very mistaken) It's one of those demos that the cameraman just happened to be at that particular show, when everything went right. To get the results shown on the demo, you use a force (even though the ad copy says you don't) and you need LUCK.

In my opinion, this is a very misleading product. The creator has a creative idea for reducing the number of outs you need to prepare for a Mr. Potato Head prediction effect, but that's it.

I don't know the creator, I have nothing against him, but I honestly felt deceived and believe the trailer and ad copy to be a false representation of what the product is. I feel I need to warn others who are considering this.

Hope that helps,
Kevin
Message: Posted by: jf4viva (Dec 10, 2014 03:48AM)
So,
I had the idea for mr potato head prediction a few years back and kind of left it alone because I could not find a suitable reveal for the prediction. I also had an issue with how many outs one would actually need to have this done. I then began to use different methods to create a suitable mr potato head prediction (smart ass card force with different potato head configurations, clear force bags with pieces, even an electronic method similar to pro mystic color match) what joshua jordan has supplied here is a very clever method to fill 10 hilarious minutes for A WORKING PRO'S magic routine. if you paid 45$ out of the sheer curiosity of the method, than shame on you. spend 45$ to gain a workable routine. not to just be able to say " I know how that's done". when I watch a trick demo especially in today's magic community, I figure it out or try to figure it out in my head, and if I can find a few suitable methods that fulfill my curioisty, then I am happy. but to buy something out of curiosity and then be let down by the method, to me is missing the point. don't buy it! buy it with the intention to at least try it out. too many magicians buy magic so they are part of the "club" of guys who know how its done. hell, I have met guys who have purchased 300$-1000$ tricks or books just so they can fulfill their curiosity. What a waste of money! methods are irrelevant, especially to a working pro, its what the audience sees and remembers. I can imagine how well this would play in a family show.
What you see in the demo is the BEST possibility,but the other ways he explains the reveal of the prediction is just as strong if not STRONGER, depending how you frame the routine.
BTW:the way he forces someone to say mr potato head is worth the download itself.
and the script that he provides has a ton of built in comedy as well as room for you to add your own.
$45 for something someone has worked on, used and decided to give to the magic community is not something to be disappointed in.

its a shame that magicians as a whole are like dogs
and the "perfect method/trick" is like a car

if we got a hold of it we wouldn't know what to do with it!

disclaimer: I don't work for penguin and I don't know joshua jordan. just giving my opinion
If you want my work on how I do mr potato head on stage pm me proof of purchase of his dl and ill discuss my work

Mark Calabrese
Message: Posted by: stempleton (Dec 10, 2014 05:39AM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2014, dearwiseone wrote:
No, the demo isn't wrong, it's just very misleading. 4 out of 5 times you WILL NOT get the results shown in the demo!!!!(unless I'm very mistaken) It's one of those demos that the cameraman just happened to be at that particular show, when everything went right. To get the results shown on the demo, you use a force (even though the ad copy says you don't) and you need LUCK.

In my opinion, this is a very misleading product. The creator has a creative idea for reducing the number of outs you need to prepare for a Mr. Potato Head prediction effect, but that's it.

I don't know the creator, I have nothing against him, but I honestly felt deceived and believe the trailer and ad copy to be a false representation of what the product is. I feel I need to warn others who are considering this.

Hope that helps,
Kevin [/quote]

Thanks, Kevin!
Message: Posted by: gitty (Dec 10, 2014 07:02AM)
Kevin,
you are speaking for me!

There are other points for my disappointing:
- The Potato Head app is only working for iPhone and iPad - not Android!
- Everybody is knowing the Potato Head (as the ad says) - how can you explain that they can't remove every part of them (but is shown in the demo-video!)?
- The Potato Head for the close-up version is sold out for many years (not available at Amazon, Toys'r'us, ...). Only one at Ebay for $30.00 starting price!
- How can you explain your audience that there is another black box/Potato Head on the stage when you are forced to do another revelation?

Walther
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Dec 10, 2014 07:17AM)
Sounds like false advertising here. How can you make statements that are not true, you wouldn't get away with it in any other industry!!!!
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Dec 10, 2014 08:36AM)
I contacted Penguin with my concerns the day after I purchased...no reply as of today...sad....and not what I expected. With my past experience with them, I assumed they would be right on top of a reply or something to rectify the issues with this. Sad to say, nothing so far.
Message: Posted by: illusionistJJ (Dec 10, 2014 01:54PM)
Hey guys : )

(Joshua Jordan here Creator of MPH)

I will try to answer as many questions as I can that has been brought up in this post (and others). I gotta say though I'm a little taken back and kinda got my feelings hurt by some of the comments. Not liking a trick and attaching my character / questioning my integrity are two different things (People saying that I lied etc..) I don't think that's what the magic Café is about and it's definitely no what magic is about. It's also a little disappointing how many people flat out exposed the effect. That breaks the magic Café rules and several unwritten code of ethics. However, I hope you all are doing well and I will try to answer as many questions as I can : )

Let's get started:

Concerning a force
When I say "no force", it is referring to how the spectator makes the Mr. Potato Head, just read the description;

"…MPH is a trick where you have your audience member arrange a Mr. Potato Head into any order and configuration they want, and out of over 360,000 different possible combinations you predict the exact outcome" -no force
This is the trick that's being sold. You don't have to have the spectator think of a toy, you can just walk out on stage with a Mr. Potato Head and have the spectator start arranging it. The 'think of a toy' is just a nice kicker, an extra layer to the trick.


Concerning not explaining the how I reveal the box
This is not only explained but I, in addition, give other ways you can reveal the Mr. Potato head that might even play bigger. ---> "For example you can have a Mr. Potato Head spray painted on a king size sheet that drops down… etc." I was merely saying that you don't have to reveal it the same way I do ( Although you're certainly welcome to). All you would do is put a second physical Mr. Potato Head figure under a box like in the promo video.

I addressed this in the video for the reason that if the performer didn't want to go out and buy a second Mr. Potato Head (like I have in the video) they don't have to. I was giving cheaper/ free options and ideas. But lets say for the sake of argument I didn't address this in the video, I give out my personal e-mail at the end of the dvd if you have any questions. I don't know why some people are so mad? I am more than willing to help anyone who asks and make that clear in the video.

Concurring the endorsements
Everyone who gave me an endorsement for MPH I don't even know personally. (So it's not like they gave me an endorsement because they're close personal friends of mine or anything) They had nothing to gain from giving me an endorsement. They gave me an endorsement because they are real workers and they know the potential of this trick. I perform on a weekly basis all over the world (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXq8FhqVB_o) and I know what works and what doesn't (and so do they). I have been performing MPH for years and it simply just works. Bottom line is, there is a difference between workers and collectors. I think jf4viva made some fine points about that.

Concerning the cost being to high
The price for MPH several people have said is too low for what you get. Remember this is a real worker straight from my show. It is ready made, audience tested and most importantly comes with a full 10 minute script / routine. Also keep in mind that this is truly a unique trick. It's not just another card trick or coin trick or someones variation on a rope trick etc. This is so different than anything commonly performed. It's nostalgic, it appeals to a huge age range of people etc. Here's the thing: if $45 is not in your budget, Then don't buy it. I will say this though, how many of us have spent hundreds of dollars on lectures and props that we never use? All of us have. $45 for something that is ready made, audience tested with a script is pretty cheap.

Concerning that the trailer is not what it looks like on stage
I don't really understand this one because the trailer is a video of my live show? That's exactly what it looks like on stage. Keep in mind too, that there is a fine line between showing the trick in the trailer and showing you how it's done in the trailer (so no one buys it). I think a live shot for a real audience was the best way to show it.

In closing
If anyone has any questions about this trick I give out my e-mail at the end of the DVD and I'd be happy to talk you through any questions . I would much rather e-mail you (or even talk on the phone) then go back and for on a forum where comments can be misinterpreted. Love you all, keep magic alive : )
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Dec 10, 2014 02:01PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2014, tmoca wrote:
I contacted Penguin with my concerns the day after I purchased...no reply as of today...sad....and not what I expected. With my past experience with them, I assumed they would be right on top of a reply or something to rectify the issues with this. Sad to say, nothing so far. [/quote]

No problem, just resell it to someone who would like....... oh.
Message: Posted by: Chad Sanborn (Dec 11, 2014 12:48PM)
I am so confused by all of this.
Is a force used or not? its a very simple answer. yes/no
Are multiple outs used? yes/no
How likely is the scenario that is played out in the demo?
How much do you 'guide' the choices to get the outcome you want?
What are some of the other outs?
Why do I need an iPhone app?

Im so disappointed because this seemed to have a lot of potential. But too much was left out of the description and cut out of the demo.

It seems you are better off having an asst offstage creating one to match and switching it in.
Message: Posted by: jf4viva (Dec 11, 2014 01:03PM)
Ok so here is what the audience sees and how it is perceived

the magician goes on about toys they had as a kid and asks the spectator to name a toy . spectator says mr potato head, he unveils under a box a mr potoato head in the original box. he then goes on to explain that there are 9 pieces and nine holes on the doll which if you do the math is 9 factorial which is over 300,000 different combinations to make a mr potato head. if you made every combination you would have enough toys to cover the island of manhattan. he then tells the spectator to take the doll and go behind a trip fold screen and to configure the doll in any way he would like(the spectators see the single spectator go behind the screen at a table configure the doll, the magician does byplay etc while this is happening. after about 30 seconds to a minute the spectator then reveals his creation. the magician then goes to re explain the improbability of having a match of the potato head and then unveils his prediction. that MATCHES perfectly.

that's what the audience sees and perceives. that out of 362,880 (9factorial) the magician was able to predict how the doll was to be configured.

this is explained in the download DIFFERENT ways to reveal the prediction if you don't want to do a duplicate mr potato head, but if you wanted to just have it be revealed as a duplicate doll you could do that. but if you wanted to have an envelope with a picture, a shirt with a picture matching , or whatever else you can imagine for a prediction reveal, you can do.

in reference to forcing the outcome, NO you aren't forcing an outcome hence the multiple outs, are there really 300,00+ ways..... to the audience yes, in reality no, which is why this is so strong, because its the concept of limiting choices while still giving the audience the perception that they could've done it in over 300,000 ways.

you don't guide their choices in any way, in fact you tell them, "configure the doll ANY WAY you want, from just switching the arms to making the doll look like a picasso painting. its up to you but you HAVE to make it different than just the normal way"

once again if you buy the download pm me and ill give you the work that I have to maximize the prediction reveal and make it seem impossible.
Message: Posted by: jf4viva (Dec 11, 2014 01:05PM)
Ps you don't need an iPhone app to do anything. the app they are talking about is a mr potato head app that you can make up different pictures on your phone and reveal it as a picture on your twitter for the prediction, but no technology is required for the effect
Message: Posted by: dearwiseone (Dec 11, 2014 02:29PM)
Chad,

Your chances of achieving what was shown on the demo video are 1 in 5, or 20%

The other 4 out of 5 times, you will be left with a duplicate box, on stage (as shown in the demo video) that DOES NOT contain the matching prediction.

[NOTE: Others who have purchased this effect, please correct me if this is wrong.]

Obviously a force is used to get them to choose Mr. Potato Head as the toy. This is common sense.

I feel bad...I am not criticizing Joshua's creativity. I do not disagree that the video contains some original ideas that might be useful to a full-time performer. I am not saying there aren't different ways to reveal the prediction. My whole reason to post here was simply that the demo video misleads people. You will not be able to do what you see in the demo video, 4 out of 5 times.

I'm just saying that it's not what magicians are used to. Most demo videos show what can be done when you purchase the effect.

Examples:
When you watch a video of the haunted bill, and buy the effect, you can get the same results as shown on the video. Every time.
When you watch a video of the Nielsen vanishing bottle and buy the effect, you can get the same results shown on the video. Every time.

The same cannot be said of this purchase.

I thought I would be able to have two black boxes on stage (as shown on the demo), have a spectator re-arrange the parts, and lift my box to reveal a correct prediction every time. Not so.

Hope this helps,
Kevin
Message: Posted by: Dale A. Hildebrandt (Dec 11, 2014 04:10PM)
Didn't Online-Visions run a contest about a Mr. Potato Head a few years ago? (Or it may have been in Half Baked: The Journal of Ideas That Aren't, but I'm pretty sure it was Visions).

Sincerely,
Dale A. Hildebrandt
Message: Posted by: Al Desmond (Dec 12, 2014 08:15AM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2014, illusionistJJ wrote:
Hey guys : )

(Joshua Jordan here Creator of MPH)

Concerning not explaining the how I reveal the box
This is not only explained but I, in addition, give other ways you can reveal the Mr. Potato head that might even play bigger. ---> "For example you can have a Mr. Potato Head spray painted on a king size sheet that drops down… etc." I was merely saying that you don't have to reveal it the same way I do ( Although you're certainly welcome to). All you would do is put a second physical Mr. Potato Head figure under a box like in the promo video.

I addressed this in the video for the reason that if the performer didn't want to go out and buy a second Mr. Potato Head (like I have in the video) they don't have to. I was giving cheaper/ free options and ideas. But lets say for the sake of argument I didn't address this in the video, I give out my personal e-mail at the end of the dvd if you have any questions. I don't know why some people are so mad? I am more than willing to help anyone who asks and make that clear in the video.

If anyone has any questions about this trick I give out my e-mail at the end of the DVD and I'd be happy to talk you through any questions . I would much rather e-mail you (or even talk on the phone) then go back and for on a forum where comments can be misinterpreted. Love you all, keep magic alive : ) [/quote]

Concerning what I saw in the video. A matching MPH. Period. That's what you and Penguin are to selling the public.

Show me how my comment is a misinterpretation?
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Dec 12, 2014 08:36AM)
So are they only able to remove a few of the parts or can all of them be removed and rearranged as stated in the ad?

If they can only remove 3 or 4 parts covered by m******e o**s then the effect is not what I thought it was after reading the ad.

I don't buy the 'it's what the spectators see' argument, not in the ad copy that is written for the purchasing magician.
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Dec 13, 2014 06:54AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2014, Dale A. Hildebrandt wrote:
Didn't Online-Visions run a contest about a Mr. Potato Head a few years ago? (Or it may have been in Half Baked: The Journal of Ideas That Aren't, but I'm pretty sure it was Visions).

Sincerely,
Dale A. Hildebrandt [/quote]
To add to the history I've done some more research...

The first instance of the 'Mr Potato Head as a prediction premise' I found (apart from the Online-Vision reference above) was recorded in writing by Greg Arce on Dec 6 2003 then again by Scottish mentalist Derek Heron on Sep 25th 2007.

Hope both of these gents are credited properly?
Message: Posted by: Bill Cushman (Dec 13, 2014 09:20AM)
After my post above, I was thinking it sounded like something from Arce or Riggs. Thanks Jamie! Where did Greg publish this?
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Dec 13, 2014 11:21AM)
After viewing this download again, Joshua DOES mention a way for the prediction MPH to match the changed MPH.

The problem is he tries to give a lot of possible solutions, and spends too much time on other solutions. This confuses the matter.

The manner he uses gives a 20% chance of a matching MPH, but that is because the other outs are very effective too. He DOES supply an easy way to get it to 100%