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Topic: Cups and balls
Message: Posted by: controlled (Jun 18, 2002 11:18AM)
Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone could recommend a cups and balls routine that I could learn for shows or even recommend a few tricks to learn. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: RiffClown (Jun 18, 2002 03:43PM)
Michael Ammar's Complete Cups and Balls is a great place to start. Good investment!
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Oct 18, 2002 03:29AM)
What are people's thoughts on cups and balls for children's shows? Can they get into it? What routine ideas or "takes" on it would make this classic more accessible to the little ones. Does anyone do it at their kids' shows?

I love doing my cups and balls, and would like to feel I could do this for the kids. But I don't want the syndrome where I'm doing what I like instead of what they like.

Thanks.

Jim in Los Angeles
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Oct 18, 2002 04:35AM)
Hi,

Personaly I would not bother. Most cups and balls routines (like sponge ball routines) go on way too long for adults, never mind kids.

If you really want to, though. keep it short and hit them with the climax.

Phillip
Message: Posted by: Quentin (Oct 18, 2002 04:45AM)
Aged about twelve, I saw Dick Richard's from Cardiff perform at Butlin's in Ireland (a holiday camp).

He was the children's entertainer and on the Friday night he did a stage show in the Playhouse Theatre, seating appx 800.

As part of his show he did cups and balls. It must have lasted ten minutes. The balls changed colour, they grew and became multi-coloured. It was amazing. I heard later that he had won the manipulation prize at a British ring convention with this effect.

He also did the most amazing ball vanish I have ever seen. He just held it at his fingertips and it vanished. No cover. Repeatedly.

However if you are performing at a child's party I would agree with Phillip. The routine (with business) does not have to be short but what happens to the balls should be kept to a minimum.
Message: Posted by: Daniel Faith (Oct 19, 2002 06:51AM)
I don't use cups and balls for kids shows, but I often use a sponge ball routine.

Phillip makes a good point, too. Don't let the routine drag. A sponge ball routine is something that impresses the parents and the kids. That is something you need to do at every kid show. Remember, keep it fast and fun!

:magicrabbit:
Message: Posted by: johnpert (Oct 22, 2002 09:47AM)
There is a good routine for kids called Rub-A-Dub and was posted in the Geni Magazine some time ago. It is a rhyme patter which matches the movements. Use the little, coloured plastic cups and pom-poms. I'm learning the routine, so I can give any info re: the effect as of yet.

I agree, the routine needs to be short and sweet but packed with magic.

Aldo Columbini has a routine that uses three different coloured balls that pass through cups (first one ball passes through, then 2, then 3 all at the same time). The balls travel from your pocket, vanish completely and then a load is revealed. It is rather quick, colourful and magical. You can find it on one of his videos. I'm not near my magic stuff, so I can tell you the name.

cheers,

John
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Oct 22, 2002 04:57PM)
Guardian,

About your comment about sponge ball routines being a must at kids shows. I must admit I've never done sponge balls. But it's basically billiard balls right? Could I substitute rubber golf balls instead? What's the difference between the two effects?

Thanks.

Jim in LA
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Oct 23, 2002 02:02AM)
"It is a rhyme patter which matches the movements. Use the little, coloured plastic cups and pom-poms"


OH BOY!

If you where to use rhyming patter for kids over 5 here in the UK you stand the chance of getting linched! Deservedly so in my opinion. Could it not be coverted into a rap?
that would likely go down a little better.

Phillip
:cucumber: :pepper: :dancing: :carrot:
Message: Posted by: johnpert (Oct 24, 2002 05:45PM)
"OH BOY!
If you where to use rhyming patter for kids over 5 here in the UK you stand the chance of getting linched! Deservedly so in my opinion. Could it not be coverted into a RAP?"

Absolutely. Rhyme is really rap in my mind, so if you present with an upbeat tempo, I'm sure all will go over well.

Also, age is a factor. In the routine, the magic happens on the key words that rhyme.

Some of the patter is as follows:

"Rub a dub dub, 3 men in a tub,
went sailing out to sea,
the second in tub 2,
the third in tub number 3.

"Tub #2 was old,
but the captain was bold
and rain to go.

"He jumped on the deck,
fell through the wreck,
and ended up down here below."
___

Add a few hand actions and a couple of "yo's" and "homey" words and all will be fine in the rap world.

cheers,

john
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Oct 25, 2002 02:13AM)
Does anyone know anything about producing a small glass filled with liquid as the final production? Is it a special glass? If so, where it can be gotten. Thanks.

Jim
Message: Posted by: sdgiu (Nov 22, 2002 09:30AM)
Do your cups and balls trick, I use it and have for years, and I have never had another than excited reaction to it. It's one trick that you can let them examine. They love it.

Steve
zzz

Sponge balls aren't the same as billiard balls, but they are a great trick.

Definitely get a set and a good book/video to go with them. The first time you see a kid's face when you put one sponge ball in his hand and two spongeballs are there when he opens it, all the practice will be worth it.

Steve
zzz
Message: Posted by: DarryltheWizard (Jan 23, 2004 09:10PM)
I do a cups and balls routine with small baseballs. I use a miniature bat for a wand and even a miniature glove when the child pitches the invisible balls to me.

The routine ends with a production of larger baseballs and my wand unravelled turns into a Bluejays banner. I actually sing Take me out to the ball game as I produce the giant baseballs. A routine with music, colour, audience involvement, a minimum of moves will work with any audience.

Darryl the Wizard :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Jan 23, 2004 10:25PM)
Phillip Jones says, of rhyming patter for the cups and balls: "Could it not be coverted into a RAP?"

Probably, but there are a couple of points to remember.

Some time back, Greek fishermen's caps were all the rage. And then someone pointed out that there were two things necessary to wear one:

1: You had to be Greek; and 2: you had to be a fisherman.

Same with rap. If you are going to do rap patter (at least, on this side of the pond), you had better be:

1: Under 25 years old; and 2: black (yeah, yeah, I know Eminem gets away with it, but Tiger Woods plays golf, too!).

If you're 50 and white, it just isn't going to fly!

cheers,
Peter Marucci
showtimecol@aol.com

:band:
Message: Posted by: treysdaddy (Jan 24, 2004 04:10PM)
I do a quick straightforward cups and balls routine where the balls appear one at a time under a cup until all three have gone under the cup. I then say it sometimes is confusing to watch the three cups and three balls, so we'll use one cup and one ball. I then go into a simple chop cup routine where the ball goes in my pocket and still appears under the cup. I put the ball in my pocket again and make a large lemon appear under the cup. It is probably only 2 minutes, but is fun and magical when the lemon appears.

Bill
Message: Posted by: what (Jan 26, 2004 10:43AM)
I have twin 4 year olds. They are constantly requesting that I do the cups & Balls for them. I do it for older kids and adults as well. For children, I use colorful plastic cups. The children get to pick the cups that will do the magic and I always congratulate them for picking correctly so that the magic could happen. I pretty much do the Mark Wilson routine, dressed up a touch. It is short and fun.

I also learned a combo cup routine which is more complex, but the kids don't like it as much (In fact the adults don't either now that I think about it).

The Cups & Balls have entertained people of all ages for centuries. I suspect you can get some good reactions out of them even today.

Enjoy!!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Andini (Jan 26, 2004 11:37AM)
Daryl, your routine sounds like a very good one for kids.

For the most part, though, I'd steer clear of cups and balls for kids because of what Phillip said and also because the kids will scream "I know that one!" I'd say that almost ALL magic sets include a cups and balls set. Even if they don't know how YOUR routine works, they'll continue to shout and proclaim their vast knowledge. :cups:
Message: Posted by: Frank Tougas (Jan 26, 2004 11:57AM)
Cups & Balls are fine for kids as long as you don't make the trick "drone on and on". Remember the C&B are included in almost every kids magic set sold. Thus
they have all been exposed to the "gallup" move - although most won't remember, but large loads, and balls moving from cup to cup - they'll love it.

I'd do something simple like the routine from the Wilson Course.

I have also had very good response from kids doing a Benson Bowl type routine as well as a short - very short- Chop Cup.
Message: Posted by: yankay37 (Mar 10, 2013 01:26AM)
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On 2002-10-18 04:29, JamesinLA wrote:
What are people's thoughts on cups and balls for children's shows? Can they get into it? What routine ideas or "takes" on it would make this classic more accessible to the little ones.
[/quote]

I perform cups & balls at kids shows. I introduce it as a very small trick and ask them to come up very close. Then I tell then to put fingers on the cups and even slow down the routines. It works great.
Message: Posted by: Sir Richard (Mar 10, 2013 07:47AM)
I do Rub-a-dub-dub, Bill Malone's version, for all ages, and they freakin' love it! It's all in your performance!

Sir Richard.
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Mar 10, 2013 11:17AM)
Against the advise of every kidshow worker I know, I am currently doing a steel ball C&B in my kid's program. Seems to be working fine. Mr. Bean can entertain doing the most mundane chores imaginable. I'm thinking it's all in the way you do it.
Message: Posted by: sadhu (Mar 12, 2013 09:42PM)
The Al Schneider classic cup and balls routine is very nice for shows.
This is a sit-down routine with a fairy traditional presentation with
three cups, three balls and three final loads. You can get the routine
from Al Schneider cups and balls DVD. The famous LA cups routine
is included in the same DVD.
Message: Posted by: Gary Kosnitzky (Mar 13, 2013 12:33AM)
The "Original Post"

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On 2002-06-18 12:18, controlled wrote:
Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone could recommend a cups and balls routine that I could learn for shows or even recommend a few tricks to learn. Thanks.
[/quote]

This was also "controlled's" last and final post.
His thread was completely hijacked and his call for help was completely ignored.
Is this how magicians help magicians?
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Mar 13, 2013 05:50AM)
His question was answered in the first response. If he got the Ammar book he would have been all set. It was a fairly lame question, that would have been answered with a search, so the thread topic went a different direction. So yes that is how magicians help magicians.

In fact, the more I read the more answers he got. He was looking for a kidshow cups and balls, and the third response advises him against it. So that advice became the new direction.
Message: Posted by: Gary Kosnitzky (Mar 13, 2013 02:40PM)
Josh,You wrote:
"His question was answered in the first response. If he got the Ammar book he would have been all set. It was a fairly lame question, that would have been answered with a search, so the thread topic went a different direction. So yes that is how magicians help magicians."

Josh, I don't think you would appreciate it if your threads are derailed and your questions and comments are referred to as being lame.

Josh, you then wrote:
"In fact, the more I read the more answers he got. He was looking for a kidshow cups and balls, and the third response advises him against it. So that advice became the new direction."

Here is "controlled's" original and only post:

[quote]
On 2002-06-18 12:18, controlled only wrote 1 post:
Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone could recommend a cups and balls routine that I could learn for shows or even recommend a few tricks to learn. Thanks.
[/quote]

Josh,
Where in that 2 sentences do you see anything remotely implying any interest in a "kid show" cups and balls?

Finally, let me remind you of the Magic Café's policy on this matter.
Quote Steve Brooks,Posted: May 5, 2002 4:54am:

"Staying on Topic

After reading and posting at The Magic Café for awhile, you may feel as though you have developed friendships with some, perhaps many, of the other posters and readers. This is probably one of the most rewarding parts of participating with our magic family here.

It is only natural to occasionally want to share information with your friends that is “Off Topic” (i.e. not related to the subject matter of the forum you are in).

While it may at first seem harmless to post a bit about off topic (OT) subjects, it can become a slippery slope. If others join in on OT posts then soon everybody has sent the discussion threads on so many tangents that it is difficult to follow the original topic. Further, posting off topic essentially violates our Café rules. People come to The Magic Café forums looking for information related to magic. It is not polite to post off topic items frequently."

The correct Forum a new thread should have been started in regards to "kids shows" is "The little darlings" forum.
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Mar 14, 2013 12:01AM)
Guys, this was TEN YEARS AGO!

Controlled's question was answered a little after four hours after posting. After that, a followup question was asked that was *on* topic, and it continued to build from there. That's the nature of these kinds of forums.

Nobody derailed anything.
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Mar 15, 2013 08:01PM)
Gary, you are right. And very smart.
Message: Posted by: Gary Kosnitzky (Mar 15, 2013 08:38PM)
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On 2013-03-15 21:01, Josh the Superfluous wrote:
Gary, you are right. And very smart.
[/quote]

Josh, May I use this quote on my resume? :)
Message: Posted by: mitchgamble (Mar 28, 2013 11:34AM)
For me....It HAS to be Gazzo's Street Cups...there are no others!

I guess it depends very much on the audience though...