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Topic: Coins to Glass?
Message: Posted by: gician (Dec 28, 2014 09:12AM)
Not sure if this is the correct place to post, but I'm looking for a Coins to Glass type of effect which uses a remote to cause coins to fall into a glass or bucket which is covered by a book. Sound familiar to anyone? Any sources on where to find such a prop would be extremely helpful.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Dec 28, 2014 09:40AM)
You can make one yourself using remote door bell mechanism -- physical bell, not electronic sound.

It is small enough to build into a book so that each time the button is pressed the arm advances a slide holding coins.
Message: Posted by: gician (Dec 28, 2014 09:44AM)
Sounds good, but I'm not mechanically inclined. I would need directions and illustrations to guide me.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 28, 2014 10:54AM)
No remote control coin delivery system ever been on the magic market. Just to expensive and has to be custom designed for specific use.

Your question is just to vague to give you any further information. If you can express yourself more clearly, maybe there is an answer, but as you stated, there is not.
Message: Posted by: gician (Dec 28, 2014 11:20AM)
I thought I had seen something advertised in the past, perhaps with a pack of cards setting on a glass. I also saw a routine of Terry Herbert where he set a Harry Potter book on a misers dream type of pail and threw 4 invisible coins which were heard to land in the pail. I thought they came from the book, and believe he ditched a remote in his pocket afterwards.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Dec 28, 2014 12:18PM)
How much money do ya have? Tim Wisseman is here in the Café. He builds this stuff for magicians. If you're not mechanically inclined, and you're broke, you're out of luck, I'm afraid...

Doug
Message: Posted by: gician (Dec 28, 2014 12:24PM)
Where do you see my monetary status in these few posts?
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Dec 28, 2014 01:22PM)
Check out "Flight Deck (John Kennedy). It might be close to what you are thinking of.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/925

Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_9yL2iQbqE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFckZ27AZJc

And there is the old Robot Coins:
http://www.tannens.com/shop/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=9681
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 28, 2014 03:03PM)
[quote]On Dec 28, 2014, gician wrote:
I thought they came from the book, and believe he ditched a remote in his pocket afterwards. [/quote]

Many magicians have custom magic apparatus made for them. Just because they present "their" creations, does not mean they are available to the general magic market. Terry Herbert is very famous, and he can get special gimmicks made much more easily then none notable name magicians.

Having your very own creations makes magicians stand out and separate from the other magicians available.

So just enjoy and be happy you even got to see the performance.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Dec 28, 2014 03:11PM)
[quote]On Dec 28, 2014, gician wrote:
Sounds good, but I'm not mechanically inclined. I would need directions and illustrations to guide me. [/quote]


I can built on for you. Would $4000 be reasonable? You supply the book and coins.

I can provide written instructions on its use. A DVD will an extra $500

Just joking. Maybe the guy used a sound feke and a Utillty Pass when he dumped the coins into his hand. Cheaper anyway.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 28, 2014 04:58PM)
I VAGUELY remember someone doing--or maybe even selling--a "deck of cards" that would do what's desired, but, it was a long time ago.
Message: Posted by: R Don (Dec 28, 2014 05:49PM)
Tannens sold a clockwork version using a deck of cards in the 1980 s.
Bob Reads version would be more trouble free though...but it is all sleight of hand.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 28, 2014 09:03PM)
Tango has a deck of cards that sit on top
of a glass and will produce coins in the glass.
Todd
Message: Posted by: gician (Dec 28, 2014 09:12PM)
Quote:
On Dec 28, 2014, Bill Hegbli wrote:



Many magicians have custom magic apparatus made for them. Just because they present "their" creations, does not mean they are available to the general magic market. Terry Herbert is very famous, and he can get special gimmicks made much more easily then none notable name magicians.

Having your very own creations makes magicians stand out and separate from the other magicians available.

So just enjoy and be happy you even got to see the performance.

(gician says)
I never stated that I wanted to "Steal" anyone's effect. I mentioned Terry Herbert because a post said my initial inquiry was too vague. I just listed a source as clarification. Could be I want the coins to fall from Rocky Racoon's bum, and fall into a bowl of Wheaties. (Hey, my routine right? Sets me apart from the rest). I wanted help with something I thought I had seen commercially advertised in the past...possibly many years ago. I figured the best place to ask such a question was the Café - many magicians, many memories, etc., and what do I get...a dissertation on ethics. Thank you "Harry Murphy, Dick Oslund, R Don and Bowers" for answering the question I asked.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 29, 2014 04:22AM)
Wow, the way you read it and the way I wrote it was two different understandings. That sentence means what it says, just because you see it does not mean it is being sold the open market. Where did I say anything about you stealing anything, it does not even imply that. Are you using a translator? If so it is not working properly.

So in short. I was informing you it was not available, in a remote control unit.

The simple way to do what you suggest is to just use a squeeze cloths Pin.

Here is the Robot Coins, but is not electronic. http://www.tricksupply.com/product-p/robotschwarz.htm

Here is the new John Kennedy Flight Deck, don't know if it is electronic. I don't think it will work for your idea, because of the method used in he design.

http://www.johnkennedymagic.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=62
Message: Posted by: gician (Dec 29, 2014 08:42AM)
I'm sorry Bill for the misunderstanding. I thought I remembered a devise being advertised that delivered coins into a glass via remote control. I guess not. Since there is a "Remote Control Nearly Everything" on the magic market, I figured there must be a unit that could deliver coins that you could put in anything - a card case, a book, and so on. I guess not. Again, please accept my sincerest apology for jumping to conclusions. A great big thanks to you and everyone for your expertise, time and help.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Dec 29, 2014 10:18AM)
[quote]On Dec 28, 2014, gician wrote:
Where do you see my monetary status in these few posts? [/quote]

You're right. Apologies. I should have just said: Tim Wisseman is here in the Café. He builds this stuff for magicians.

Doug
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Dec 30, 2014 09:32AM)
Check out CW Coin Classic made by Viking Magic/Collector's Workshop. No remote included, but, none needed. And as far as a book goes, CW Coin Classic uses two glasses and a deck of cards between them....this is a clever effect and a real fooler, and I highly recommend it.

Here's a link: http://www.vikingmagic.com/CW-Coin-Classic
Message: Posted by: gician (Jan 2, 2015 10:04AM)
Thank you very much to all of you for your knowledge and assistance. I found an old thread that answers a portion of my inquiry.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=278469&forum=17
Message: Posted by: M.Paul (Dec 12, 2018 08:51PM)
Hi
just come across this discussion. I recently purchased from a magic estate a remote control coin dropper built into a book. The magician who owned it had it custom made.
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Dec 12, 2018 10:14PM)
"Copenetro" was the name given to a Bob Kline USA pirated (1947) version of a coin effect invented by British magician Jack Hughes in 1937. It was a catchier name than the one given it by Hughes ("Visible Coins in Glass") so that name seems to have stuck. Our "poor man's" version (not pirated) takes place in a Dollar Tree Cardboard Box shaped like a haunted house, and the vanished four to six coins (ordinary quarters) noisily appear one-by-one in an empty sealed glass salt shaker (also a Dollar Tree purchase) trapped inside the house.

https://www.magicnook.com/dollarstoreMagic/DollarTOC03.htm and scroll down to "Haunted House Copenetro" item DS03-04.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Dec 17, 2018 08:51PM)
If a deck of cards is used instead of a book, Harry's post seems "right on". Did you check this out?


[quote]On Dec 28, 2014, Harry Murphy wrote:
Check out "Flight Deck (John Kennedy). It might be close to what you are thinking of.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/925

Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_9yL2iQbqE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFckZ27AZJc

And there is the old Robot Coins:
http://www.tannens.com/shop/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=9681 [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Dec 19, 2018 08:37AM)
The latest, legit, licensed version was Abbott's Jack Hughes Model Visible Coins to Glass; they haven't made them in years and who knows, if when, they will ever be available again. It's a nice prop.

For those who have never seen one, here is a link:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-abbotts-visible-coins-in-glass-combo
Message: Posted by: Julie (Dec 19, 2018 12:03PM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2018, Rainboguy wrote:
...It's a nice prop.
For those who have never seen one, here is a link:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-abbotts-visible-coins-in-glass-combo [/quote]

I agree it is a nice prop and a bit easier to use IMO than the beautiful Kline models.

BTW: I don't believe the coin stand pictured is the one originally supplied with the Hughes/Abbott set.

Julie
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 21, 2018 01:37PM)
John Kennedy has a remote controlled single coin in glass effect called "Flight Deck".

http://www.johnkennedymagic.com/scripts/ProdView.asp?idProduct=62

It is $298.00
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Dec 30, 2018 05:08AM)
Julie:

Yes, FWIW, the coin stand pictured in the link in my post WAS the one originally supplied with the Abbott's/Hughes Model Visible Coins in Glass, or, at least WAS supplied with the prop for a time.....I know...because when I bought mine, that is the stand that came with it.

Also, FWIW, to the best of my knowledge, there have been only two versions made of this: The Kline/Copentro and the Abbott's/Hughes.

On the other hand, there have been at least THREE versions made of the "Coins to glass from Cardbox" made,,,,,,Tannen's Dr. Marty Schwartz version, Viking/Collector's Workshop Version, and the Kennedy Version in the link shown in Bill Hegbli's post, above. There may have been more variations of this made too that I am not aware of.

Although each is a tad different in construction and methodology (ie" One coin dropping VS. Four coins, or dropping from/through Card box, or into nested glasses, the trick's plot, as seen by spectators, is basicly the same, and that is "A coin or coins vanishes, and then instantly (and audibly as well as visually) re-appears in a glass. Even though I admit to loving and owning clever Magic Props like those mentioned here (and trust me, just like many of you, if nor most of you who read this forum, I have spent significantly more than a couple or three dollars on Magic Props like these.....BUT......all things being equal, I have learned over the years to keep it simple and use sleight of hand whenever possible to accomplish a certain trick.

Having said that, the sleight of hand coins to glass version that I use is Dan Fleshman's version.........if you've seen Dan do it for you......chances are you would be using it, too...

Either way, the coins to glass plot is GOOD MAGIC....visual....audible.....easily presentable to audiences of all ages, different cultures.. and who speak different languages....meaning: no possible "Misunderstanding on the audiences' part" IE: A simple Plot: Coins Vanish and then Re-Appear, and right in front of their faces!
Message: Posted by: Julie (Dec 30, 2018 10:50AM)
Hello Rainboguy

I'm thinking that the vintage Hughes set in our collection may be an actual Hughes original or a very old Abbott's. We definitely did not purchase it directly from Abbott's.

The stand you pictured was a stand alone :) piece sold in the old Abbott catalogs. Without digging out a catalog, I will say I THINK this was called the Ultra Modern Coin Stand. They probably included it with the main apparatus because they already had it in stock.

Julie
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 30, 2018 01:42PM)
When I was a teenager, I studied Lewis Ganson's "Routined Manipulation" I think it was a routine by Fred Kaps, that I finally mastered!

I haven't done it in YEARS!
Message: Posted by: Rudy Sanchez (Jan 13, 2019 02:50PM)
Here is the Cesaral version (CCP). I’m not very clear on the effect but 3 coins can be made to disappear and appear in the glass and they can be in any order. For demo purposes I only made the 1/2 dollar vanish and appear but as I mentioned all 3 and in any order can be made to vanish and appear.

Any questions please feel free to contact me.

[youtube]yj8E_-2Z1Q8[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: CesaralM (Mar 22, 2019 01:20PM)
Here are two interesting videos:

Roman Garcia performing with the Cesaral Coin Production:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiQuNNteGXM

Mark Doetsch performance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O4BNJ4OSak

The CCP is a new concept, a new and original method

I hope you like it!

Cesar Alonso (Cesaral Magic)
Message: Posted by: CesaralM (May 13, 2019 12:48PM)
Here is the new version of the CCP. This time the gimmick can produce 3 numbered half dollar coins...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTijXF73KfU

Do you like it?

Cesar Alonso (Cesara Magic)
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 13, 2019 06:59PM)
[quote]On Dec 30, 2018, Rainboguy wrote:
Julie:


Also, FWIW, to the best of my knowledge, there have been only two versions made of this: The Kline/Copentro and the Abbott's/Hughes. [/quote]


I have to inform you, there were 3, Harry Stanley of Unique Magic Studio I London, sold a Coins in Glass, but the only difference was it was rubberband powered, and they were held in with a "U" staple or nail. They had glitter drum material glued on the outside. on the stand. This was in their catalog, from where I purchased it in the early 1970's.

I sold it to Hank Moorehouse a used magic dealer. He was not happy with it, or the quality, but it was an original Harry Stanley model.