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Topic: The Ammo - with Gary Jones
Message: Posted by: Lundonia (Feb 24, 2015 02:17PM)
Hi guys,

Any reviews on this? http://www.full52.com/the-ammo/

I know it hasn't been released yet but I couldn't keep myself from preordering, something I never do otherwise. I have no affiliation with the creators or Full52, heck - I don't event know how they are gimmicked (well, at least a s**ll obv).

So, has anybody gotten their hands on this yet? Seen it at any convention?
Message: Posted by: puggo (Feb 25, 2015 09:12AM)
I'm also interested
Message: Posted by: Lundonia (Feb 27, 2015 01:58PM)
Was supposed to be shipped on the 26th. Anybody received confirmation?
Message: Posted by: Gaz_Japan (Feb 27, 2015 03:43PM)
Not yet.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Feb 27, 2015 09:33PM)
Perhaps Gary could tell us all a bit more about it.

Gary? :-)
Message: Posted by: Gaz_Japan (Feb 28, 2015 08:50PM)
On the full52 site it say that all new releases are now shipping.
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Mar 1, 2015 03:03AM)
Hi, there are 10 routines that come with all the required poker chips, the routines range from metalism to 3Fly with loads in between. Everything is self-contained except for one routine where you will have to supply a bill/note and a die, but that too is optional.

As for the chips themselves, I haven't seen the finished set as yet, Dave had prototypes made for the filming but I have heard that the finished product is way better than the chips we filmed with, and they were very good!

One of the routines on there is a 3fly with 3 different value and colour poker chips, the climax is a slot machine type effect, the spectator pushes a 1000 chip into your hand (which contains low value chips) pulls the handle (your thumb) and all the chips change into 1000 value chips!

There is a triple spellboud effect, metal sheep done with poker chips, an effect called the right hand chip which is one of my favs, plus loads more.

I'm typing this on a tiny screen so apologies for being so brief! When I get back to my laptop I will post more info.

Thank you.

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Mar 1, 2015 03:48AM)
Sounds fantastic Gary.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they're shimmed. If they are then my order will be in.
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Mar 1, 2015 04:48AM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2015, Jamie Ferguson wrote:
Sounds fantastic Gary.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they're shimmed. If they are then my order will be in. [/quote]

I don't think they are Jamie, I think they are the ceramic type as the quality and weight is far superior with this type chip?

I will double check with Dave Forrest for you though as I've not seen the finished product as yet, I believe that Dave only had a limited number of sets for the Blackpool convention.

Gary
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Mar 1, 2015 04:56AM)
Thanks Gary.

If they aren't shimmed then I suppose a ditch could be made with a SS (thanks Sean Goodman) rather than a BPM.
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Mar 1, 2015 05:54AM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2015, Jamie Ferguson wrote:
Thanks Gary.

If they aren't shimmed then I suppose a ditch could be made with a SS (thanks Sean Goodman) rather than a BPM. [/quote]

Most definitely Jamie, Sean's Secret Servant would be ideal. With the routines supplied no ditching is needed, and you can use this set instead of using coins for many of your existing coin routines.

Gary.
Message: Posted by: Lundonia (Mar 1, 2015 12:48PM)
Thanks for all the info Gary! Looking forward to this! :)
Message: Posted by: geggy (Mar 4, 2015 04:15PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2015, Lundonia wrote:
Thanks for all the info Gary! Looking forward to this! :) [/quote]

Have you or anyone received this yet?
Would like to hear some opinions on this as it is on my interest list.
I like the fact you can perform 'Metal Sheep' as that has been on my radar as well, it seems to be available on full52,so assume
its shipping.

Thanks,
Gerry
Message: Posted by: videoman (Mar 4, 2015 06:07PM)
Sounds very cool. I like the idea of using poker chips.
Is this shipping yet?
Any vids anywhere?
Message: Posted by: MikeMgc (Mar 5, 2015 04:57AM)
I already perform Poker Chip Mentalism effects using Pablo Amira's Poker Face and would love to add some other effects using Poker Chips to fit in with several packet trick gambling themed routines in my card set.

I now perform Metal Sheep to close my regular coin set but it would be great to do this with Poker Chips !

This release sounds great, I will definitely be picking this up from Full 52, I have never been dissapointed with anything that Dave Forrest stocks and promotes he is very selective and I have not been dissapointed by anything that Gary Jones has put out always strong, practical workers that you will perform (e.g. The Unknown, Dupes, 52 vs Joker Project, Automata, iCandy)

The disspointing thing (for me), is that I will have to wait thanks due to a massive backlog of new effects to learn and the Wife keeping a close eye on the bank account - thanks to Blackpool 2015 !
Message: Posted by: geggy (Mar 5, 2015 02:00PM)
I know what you mean Mike, so much stuff coming out recently.
Doesn't seem much interest in this at the moment but hopefully a demo and a few reviews will surface soon.
Message: Posted by: Lundonia (Mar 5, 2015 02:45PM)
[quote]On Mar 4, 2015, geggy wrote:

Have you or anyone received this yet?
[/quote]

I haven't, but I feel like a child on christmas eve everytime I approach the mailbox when I get home...
Message: Posted by: geggy (Mar 5, 2015 03:07PM)
[quote]On Mar 5, 2015, Lundonia wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2015, geggy wrote:

Have you or anyone received this yet?
[/quote]

I haven't, but I feel like a child on christmas eve everytime I approach the mailbox when I get home... [/quote]

Ha Ha...its a great feeling we all know..hope it brings you joy and look forward to hearing your thoughts,
thanks for replying
Gerry
Message: Posted by: puggo (Mar 5, 2015 03:31PM)
Mini Review

I thought that I would post this as unfortunately there are no demos. My opinion is based on an initial review, not on ‘in the trenches’ testing.

Bias rating:
I paid full price for this and although I have met Gary briefly a few times, I do not ‘know’ him well. I am a fan of his work though, as his stuff is normally great for the worker, due to the construction of the effects (but still very relevant for the hobbyist as it is normally of a very attainable skill level).

Chips, why chips?:
Poker chips are big, colourful and have an instant hook/plot (casino, my lucky chip etc. etc.). They are a touch larger than a dollar, but if you use 1//2 dollars or £2 coins, make the effort as it can make your magic more visual.
There are big advantages with chips as they don’t ‘talk’. The disadvantage is that if you use a click pass (and there is one used in one of the routines) then they have poor audio compared to dollars, half crowns etc. Also, you can use chips for an infinite amount of other routines.

Props:
You get 10 poker chips (un-shimmed), 3 of which are gaffed (think copper silver coin). The quality appears to be very good and the colours allows the specs to clearly tell the difference. A challenge of a poorly structured or performed copper silver routine, is that the spec can be confused as to what’s where. With these orange (+colour) chips, it will be easier to ensure they know the magic has happened. I did like the look of the chips in the DVD performance though (nice deep red), but then there’s nothing to grumble about.

DVD:
A well shot and produced, well lit DVD with several live performances. Some effects have a studio (Dave’s flat?) and live performance. The explanations are clear, with both Gary and Dave giving quality instruction. I would be surprised if anyone struggled to learn from this.

Difficulty:
There are some virtually self-working effects here (presentation skills still required!!), as well as some sleight of hand (SoH). There are no signs of multiple downs palmed, Goshman pinching reverse muscle passing though.. (lucky for me really!), so if you have reasonable SoH skills, this is all within your reach.

Routines:
All the following routines are ideal for REAL PEOPLE! Forget the multi-phase ace assemblies and hard core 5 minute flourishes. All the routines are simple (but not too simple), easy to follow potential workers.

Ceramic Sheep:
Watch this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJyjcISXmgs Are you back yet?
A great effect, but this time with poker chips and with no real SoH needed.
A table is required.

Deep Fly:
A 3 fly with poker chips with very clear crediting to the inspirational source. I prefer this to any other 3 fly I have seen due to the ‘plot’ and the slot machine kicker. I will definitely be working this one up for paid work. It is not hard.
No table required.

Big Money:
A copper silver/wild coin type effect with a kicker. Quite a nice routine.
Table used but can probably be adapted.

Elimination (2 versions):
A solid, practical and fooling mentalism effect along the free will/equivoque lines. Good if you like that sort of thing, but not ideal for my working conditions/style. Easy to perform.
Table required.

Lucky 1000:
A simple copper silver type effect that audiences will appreciate.
No table required.

Gambler:
This is a routine based around blackjack, where a blackjack hand changes and a chip changes – all in full view. Well routined with a good story (ideal for parlour or hobby work – possibly for some table hoppers). I can see this playing well as a standalone piece or as part of a set. I like it.
Table required (the only thing which limits it for me).

RH Poker Chip:
Another copper silver type effect. It seemed to go over well with the specs, but not my favourite.
No table needed.

Chipper Silver:
A spell bounding multi-changing routine using a (borrowed) coin and chip which transform into each other. Well constructed with some good ‘empty hand’ displays.
No table needed.

Chips across:
A fair routine but the handling is rather over-worked for me. I’m not a fan of this one.
-----

Value:
The price is not cheap, but then again the props seem good quality and if just one of the routines go into your set for 6 months plus, you’ve had a bargain.

Final thoughts:
I am not disappointed. In fact I am a very happy customer. I will definitely work up Deep Fly and Chipper Silver for use gigging. I may practice ‘Gambler’ in case I get the performing environment to use it. I will also probably use the chips for a purse frame production and body loading routine I do, so more use from the same props.
Gary Jones and Dave Forrest have done a very good job. If it piques your interest, I would strongly recommend you buy what I would regard as being an excellent product, I very much doubt you will regret it.

Charlie
Message: Posted by: geggy (Mar 5, 2015 03:41PM)
Thanks Charlie, nice review and so not a 'Mini review'.. lol.
much appreciated.
Gerry
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Mar 6, 2015 03:46AM)
Nice loooong mini review, MUCH appreciated!
Message: Posted by: MikeMgc (Mar 6, 2015 04:57AM)
[quote]On Mar 5, 2015, puggo wrote:
Mini Review

I thought that I would post this as unfortunately there are no demos. My opinion is based on an initial review, not on ‘in the trenches’ testing.

Bias rating:
I paid full price for this and although I have met Gary briefly a few times, I do not ‘know’ him well. I am a fan of his work though, as his stuff is normally great for the worker, due to the construction of the effects (but still very relevant for the hobbyist as it is normally of a very attainable skill level).

Chips, why chips?:
Poker chips are big, colourful and have an instant hook/plot (casino, my lucky chip etc. etc.). They are a touch larger than a dollar, but if you use 1//2 dollars or £2 coins, make the effort as it can make your magic more visual.
There are big advantages with chips as they don’t ‘talk’. The disadvantage is that if you use a click pass (and there is one used in one of the routines) then they have poor audio compared to dollars, half crowns etc. Also, you can use chips for an infinite amount of other routines.

Props:
You get 10 poker chips (un-shimmed), 3 of which are gaffed (think copper silver coin). The quality appears to be very good and the colours allows the specs to clearly tell the difference. A challenge of a poorly structured or performed copper silver routine, is that the spec can be confused as to what’s where. With these orange (+colour) chips, it will be easier to ensure they know the magic has happened. I did like the look of the chips in the DVD performance though (nice deep red), but then there’s nothing to grumble about.

DVD:
A well shot and produced, well lit DVD with several live performances. Some effects have a studio (Dave’s flat?) and live performance. The explanations are clear, with both Gary and Dave giving quality instruction. I would be surprised if anyone struggled to learn from this.

Difficulty:
There are some virtually self-working effects here (presentation skills still required!!), as well as some sleight of hand (SoH). There are no signs of multiple downs palmed, Goshman pinching reverse muscle passing though.. (lucky for me really!), so if you have reasonable SoH skills, this is all within your reach.

Routines:
All the following routines are ideal for REAL PEOPLE! Forget the multi-phase ace assemblies and hard core 5 minute flourishes. All the routines are simple (but not too simple), easy to follow potential workers.

Ceramic Sheep:
Watch this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJyjcISXmgs Are you back yet?
A great effect, but this time with poker chips and with no real SoH needed.
A table is required.

Deep Fly:
A 3 fly with poker chips with very clear crediting to the inspirational source. I prefer this to any other 3 fly I have seen due to the ‘plot’ and the slot machine kicker. I will definitely be working this one up for paid work. It is not hard.
No table required.

Big Money:
A copper silver/wild coin type effect with a kicker. Quite a nice routine.
Table used but can probably be adapted.

Elimination (2 versions):
A solid, practical and fooling mentalism effect along the free will/equivoque lines. Good if you like that sort of thing, but not ideal for my working conditions/style. Easy to perform.
Table required.

Lucky 1000:
A simple copper silver type effect that audiences will appreciate.
No table required.

Gambler:
This is a routine based around blackjack, where a blackjack hand changes and a chip changes – all in full view. Well routined with a good story (ideal for parlour or hobby work – possibly for some table hoppers). I can see this playing well as a standalone piece or as part of a set. I like it.
Table required (the only thing which limits it for me).

RH Poker Chip:
Another copper silver type effect. It seemed to go over well with the specs, but not my favourite.
No table needed.

Chipper Silver:
A spell bounding multi-changing routine using a (borrowed) coin and chip which transform into each other. Well constructed with some good ‘empty hand’ displays.
No table needed.

Chips across:
A fair routine but the handling is rather over-worked for me. I’m not a fan of this one.
-----

Value:
The price is not cheap, but then again the props seem good quality and if just one of the routines go into your set for 6 months plus, you’ve had a bargain.

Final thoughts:
I am not disappointed. In fact I am a very happy customer. I will definitely work up Deep Fly and Chipper Silver for use gigging. I may practice ‘Gambler’ in case I get the performing environment to use it. I will also probably use the chips for a purse frame production and body loading routine I do, so more use from the same props.
Gary Jones and Dave Forrest have done a very good job. If it piques your interest, I would strongly recommend you buy what I would regard as being an excellent product, I very much doubt you will regret it.

Charlie [/quote]

Hi Charlie,

Thanks for an excellent review and I am just about to take a look at the demo.

Deep Fly sounds great, I am not a fan of 3 Fly routines with Coins but this might just change my mind, like the sound of this one.
Message: Posted by: MLDupree (Mar 6, 2015 10:41AM)
Will this be (or is it) available from any US distributor? Shipping charges directly from Full52.com are high.
Message: Posted by: puggo (Mar 7, 2015 01:39PM)
Don't forget that you may be able to adapt your favourite/existing routines to the chip set. e.g. Mark Jenest's short hop (hopping halves) is a straight prop swop (but the presentation now has more of a hook).
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Mar 8, 2015 07:04PM)
[quote]On Mar 5, 2015, puggo wrote:
Mini Review

I thought that I would post this as unfortunately there are no demos. My opinion is based on an initial review, not on ‘in the trenches’ testing.

Bias rating:
I paid full price for this and although I have met Gary briefly a few times, I do not ‘know’ him well. I am a fan of his work though, as his stuff is normally great for the worker, due to the construction of the effects (but still very relevant for the hobbyist as it is normally of a very attainable skill level).

Chips, why chips?:
Poker chips are big, colourful and have an instant hook/plot (casino, my lucky chip etc. etc.). They are a touch larger than a dollar, but if you use 1//2 dollars or £2 coins, make the effort as it can make your magic more visual.
There are big advantages with chips as they don’t ‘talk’. The disadvantage is that if you use a click pass (and there is one used in one of the routines) then they have poor audio compared to dollars, half crowns etc. Also, you can use chips for an infinite amount of other routines.

Props:
You get 10 poker chips (un-shimmed), 3 of which are gaffed (think copper silver coin). The quality appears to be very good and the colours allows the specs to clearly tell the difference. A challenge of a poorly structured or performed copper silver routine, is that the spec can be confused as to what’s where. With these orange (+colour) chips, it will be easier to ensure they know the magic has happened. I did like the look of the chips in the DVD performance though (nice deep red), but then there’s nothing to grumble about.

DVD:
A well shot and produced, well lit DVD with several live performances. Some effects have a studio (Dave’s flat?) and live performance. The explanations are clear, with both Gary and Dave giving quality instruction. I would be surprised if anyone struggled to learn from this.

Difficulty:
There are some virtually self-working effects here (presentation skills still required!!), as well as some sleight of hand (SoH). There are no signs of multiple downs palmed, Goshman pinching reverse muscle passing though.. (lucky for me really!), so if you have reasonable SoH skills, this is all within your reach.

Routines:
All the following routines are ideal for REAL PEOPLE! Forget the multi-phase ace assemblies and hard core 5 minute flourishes. All the routines are simple (but not too simple), easy to follow potential workers.

Ceramic Sheep:
Watch this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJyjcISXmgs Are you back yet?
A great effect, but this time with poker chips and with no real SoH needed.
A table is required.

Deep Fly:
A 3 fly with poker chips with very clear crediting to the inspirational source. I prefer this to any other 3 fly I have seen due to the ‘plot’ and the slot machine kicker. I will definitely be working this one up for paid work. It is not hard.
No table required.

Big Money:
A copper silver/wild coin type effect with a kicker. Quite a nice routine.
Table used but can probably be adapted.

Elimination (2 versions):
A solid, practical and fooling mentalism effect along the free will/equivoque lines. Good if you like that sort of thing, but not ideal for my working conditions/style. Easy to perform.
Table required.

Lucky 1000:
A simple copper silver type effect that audiences will appreciate.
No table required.

Gambler:
This is a routine based around blackjack, where a blackjack hand changes and a chip changes – all in full view. Well routined with a good story (ideal for parlour or hobby work – possibly for some table hoppers). I can see this playing well as a standalone piece or as part of a set. I like it.
Table required (the only thing which limits it for me).

RH Poker Chip:
Another copper silver type effect. It seemed to go over well with the specs, but not my favourite.
No table needed.

Chipper Silver:
A spell bounding multi-changing routine using a (borrowed) coin and chip which transform into each other. Well constructed with some good ‘empty hand’ displays.
No table needed.

Chips across:
A fair routine but the handling is rather over-worked for me. I’m not a fan of this one.
-----

Value:
The price is not cheap, but then again the props seem good quality and if just one of the routines go into your set for 6 months plus, you’ve had a bargain.

Final thoughts:
I am not disappointed. In fact I am a very happy customer. I will definitely work up Deep Fly and Chipper Silver for use gigging. I may practice ‘Gambler’ in case I get the performing environment to use it. I will also probably use the chips for a purse frame production and body loading routine I do, so more use from the same props.
Gary Jones and Dave Forrest have done a very good job. If it piques your interest, I would strongly recommend you buy what I would regard as being an excellent product, I very much doubt you will regret it.

Charlie [/quote]

Thank you Charlie for your very thorough 'mini' review, that must have taken you ages to do so a huge thanks is in order!

I forgot to mention it on the DVD but I actually do Metal Sheep in the spectator's hands, just have them place their hands side by side, it works great in strolling at at the tables. The same with most of the other routines, with a little management most (not all) can be done in the hands.

As Charlie mentioned, many of your existing coin routines can be used using this set of chips, I use the triple spellbound at most tables, and you only have to carry one chip with you and you're always ready to go!

Once again, thank you for taking the time to write such a thorough review!

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: MikeMgc (Mar 10, 2015 12:12PM)
The idea of doing Metal Sheep in the Spectator hands sounds great, I will have to try that, it even adds an extra layer of impossibility to the effect.
Message: Posted by: Lundonia (Mar 10, 2015 12:13PM)
Received this yesterday but I have only had time to watch the first routine on the DVD (Ceramic Sheep).

I can comment on the props though. I have over ten years in the casino business and I can honestly say that these chips are of excellent quality. They are the real thing, clean and simple.

Very happy with my purchase! :)
Message: Posted by: MikeMgc (Mar 13, 2015 09:01AM)
This sounds better and better. I will have to pick this up when I have cleared my backlog of new Effects from Blackpool.
Message: Posted by: Dave Forrest (Mar 18, 2015 04:17PM)
Hi all,

Thanks for your interest, comments and reviews regarding 'The Ammo'.

It's a project that both myself and Gary are very proud of. I think we definitely achieved what we set out to accomplish. That is, a high end, multi-functional set of poker chips accompanied by a host of real world, workable material. Moreover, we wanted to produce a product that enabled you to convert many existing coin routines into poker chip routines. To that end, I think we succeeded. It's definitely not a 'trick of the moment' type release. It's an investment for discerning magicians who want to vary their professional repertoires.

The chips themselves went through several stages of development - we genuinely tried out several different chip types and designs (including steel core) before arriving at the finished product. They are, as someone commented earlier, the real deal. This is a set of 10 casino grade, ceramic chips designed specifically for magicians in that they are clearly identifiable against most background colours and lighting conditions.

At the moment these are only available through me at the website (link in signature) and I can assure you that postage costs are accurate. They are heavy (as ceramic poker chips should be) but it's a proper investment in a set of props that you will use in various ways for many years. It may be that they become available through a distributor in the future but that's not something we're looking into at the moment.

Thanks again for the interest,

All the best,

Dave.
Message: Posted by: 13 (Mar 19, 2015 03:34PM)
Awesome :) Just grabbed a set. Love poker chip magic.
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Apr 4, 2015 09:53AM)
My set arrived today.

These are beautiful chips with a bunch of great routines.

A lot of love has been poured into this project. It could easily have sold for twice the price because of the quality of the props alone. They look like real poker chips, because they are.

The gimmicks are amazing. So much thought has been given to how they work to create maximum impact.

Gary's routines, as always, are practical and hard hitting.

Although I paid full price I still consider this a gift!

Thanks Dave and Gary. :thumbsup:

:twentyfive: :five: :onehundred:
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Apr 6, 2015 03:23AM)
[quote]On Apr 4, 2015, Jamie Ferguson wrote:
My set arrived today.

These are beautiful chips with a bunch of great routines.

A lot of love has been poured into this project. It could easily have sold for twice the price because of the quality of the props alone. They look like real poker chips, because they are.

The gimmicks are amazing. So much thought has been given to how they work to create maximum impact.

Gary's routines, as always, are practical and hard hitting.

Although I paid full price I still consider this a gift!

Thanks Dave and Gary. :thumbsup:

:twentyfive: :five: :onehundred: [/quote]

Thank you Jamie!

As Dave mentioned in an earlier post, this set is more like a utility, and can be used to replace many of your existing coin routines to add that little extra variety to your performances, and they come with 10 routines to get you started.

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: 13 (Apr 6, 2015 08:42PM)
Got my set in the post today ... beautiful. Agree with Jamie Ferguson, the chips are perfect.

Going on the road for a couple weeks. Will post my thoughts on the teaching when I get home.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Aug 12, 2015 05:44PM)
Could anyone who has this set please tell me if any of the gimmicked chips supplied is a ]?
That's a sh*** by the way.
Message: Posted by: Craigers (Dec 20, 2015 02:02PM)
Not a sh*** in sight Videoman
Message: Posted by: gjmagic (Dec 24, 2015 04:37AM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2015, Craigers wrote:
Not a sh*** in sight Videoman [/quote]

Yes, no sh***......Yet?? We are working on this so watch this space!

Gary Jones.
Message: Posted by: Craigers (Dec 24, 2015 05:07AM)
Look forward to that Gary. this is a great set BTW. I'm working my way thru the routines
Message: Posted by: tonsofquestions (Oct 19, 2016 10:24PM)
The new thread about Sucker Punch (http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=627920&forum=218) brought this to my attention, and now I'm trying to compare the two. What numbers and colors of chips are included here? From reading the thread, I gather there are 7 normal and 3 gaffed, but that clearly doesn't work out right to have an even number of each type, or of even each pair of colors for the 3 gaffed chips. Could anyone enlighten me?
Feel free to PM if you'd prefer that. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: wulfie66 (Oct 19, 2016 10:27PM)
Afaik, the types of gaffs aren't listed either, anyone got more info on this?
Message: Posted by: tonsofquestions (Oct 19, 2016 10:46PM)
Did you read the rest of the thread first? Check out the very nice review on page 1: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=580561&forum=218&start=0#18 that details a little more about what's included.
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Oct 30, 2016 08:15AM)
[quote]On Dec 24, 2015, gjmagic wrote:
[quote]On Dec 20, 2015, Craigers wrote:
Not a sh*** in sight Videoman [/quote]

Yes, no sh***......Yet?? We are working on this so watch this space!

Gary Jones. [/quote]

Hello, I am just trying to confirm the 3 gimmicks that are included....so no Sh** right? Any progress on when/if we will see this option?

What are the gimmicks then...3 S/M?

Can anyone provide info either via the thread or PM?
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Nov 17, 2017 10:51PM)
[quote]On Dec 24, 2015, gjmagic wrote:
[quote]On Dec 20, 2015, Craigers wrote:
Not a sh*** in sight Videoman [/quote]

Yes, no sh***......Yet?? We are working on this so watch this space!

Gary Jones. [/quote]
Almost 2 years later... Are we still supposed to watch this space or have you given up on expanding the project?

I personally would love to see some additions like an expanded Shell for the 1000 chip. It is a really nice set with a very nice set of 10 effects taught (as well as many other effects you can do with the supplied gimmicks for anyone with some imagination). My only "con" with the set is that I actually think the prototype chips from the dvd / trailer look like a much better contrast than the ones that ended up "winning in the end". Great product overall though (as/is). I think it could certainly be expanded on though to make it an even better product (or even a product line if they could find a way to make even more gaffs with the same material).