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Topic: Murphy's Magic Presents: EVP - Alan Rorrison
Message: Posted by: Jason Brumbalow (Mar 26, 2015 09:24PM)
Http://www.murphysmagic.com/Product.aspx?id=52815

"EVP is a genius idea and can be applied in more than one way.... I had to have it on my show!"- Troy

Incredibly proud to announce the completion of one of Alan's best works, EVP.

The link above has all the details. Those that are into this type of magic are about to have a really, really fun time.

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Message: Posted by: jordi_narpati (Mar 26, 2015 10:56PM)
Oh, my god....This looks amazing
Message: Posted by: Greg Rostami (Mar 27, 2015 12:41AM)
What a GREAT idea!!

I can see using this gimmick for revealing just about anything for a spectator.

Go ALAN GOOOO!!!!

G Ro
Message: Posted by: tophatter (Mar 27, 2015 01:03AM)
Creepy !! I wonder if this can be done with a selected card F...E ? If so that would be awesome in that same voice !
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 01:08AM)
There was is a way to do it wit a card, non forced. You can use any information really
Message: Posted by: FrankieF (Mar 27, 2015 01:19AM)
So is it ok if we don't have a smartphone? I would only be borrowing them.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 02:05AM)
You do need a smart phone to operate it
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Mar 27, 2015 02:08AM)
Can't wait for the first! I can see many many cool things with this!
Message: Posted by: pepka (Mar 27, 2015 02:09AM)
Very cool. In regards to the question if you can reveal a card..... A few years ago, I heard a great quote. Whenever a magician sees any cool new technology, the very first thing they ask is..."Can I use it to reveal a card?"
Message: Posted by: FrankieF (Mar 27, 2015 02:37AM)
Aww ok thanks.
Message: Posted by: lucavolpe (Mar 27, 2015 03:19AM)
Looks great! Well done my friend!
Message: Posted by: Nick Singh (Mar 27, 2015 03:44AM)
This looks incredible! Looks like the perfect effect for a slightly creepy parlour type show.
Message: Posted by: CarlMcCoy (Mar 27, 2015 05:01AM)
[quote]On Mar 27, 2015, reignofsound wrote:
Sold! [/quote]


Second that.

I haven't smiled so much through a trailer in years.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Mar 27, 2015 07:30AM)
I'd like to know more about it like limitations, setup, etc. But looks very good so far.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Mar 27, 2015 07:36AM)
Has it been released yet ? Will it work with android ?
Message: Posted by: Jason Brumbalow (Mar 27, 2015 07:43AM)
Hi George, yes, this works with Android, iPhone, Windows phone.... any smart device with a Voice recorder app.
Message: Posted by: Gaz_Japan (Mar 27, 2015 07:44AM)
Can it be used in any language?
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Mar 27, 2015 07:46AM)
Thanks Jas9n for the info
Message: Posted by: Jason Brumbalow (Mar 27, 2015 07:58AM)
Hi Gaz, completely usable and customizable in any language.

Most welcome, George.
Message: Posted by: CesaralM (Mar 27, 2015 08:17AM)
I brought to the market my Cesaral Spirit Sounds 3 years ago, which is exactly the same effect as the EVP. Here it is:

http://cesaral.com/shop/en/see-all/57-cesaral-spirit-sounds.html

Where are the ethics here? Can anybody copy other effects so freely?

Cesar Alonso (Cesaral Magic)
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 08:33AM)
The effect of creating or recording noises from spirits pre dates all of use sadly. This is just my method for it. Feel free to pm me if you would like to discuss it further

Limitations was a question asked. You need to be able to make a voice recording so if you are in a very noisy environment you will have issues. But out with that, as long as you like to perform clothed you should be ok.

One question I have been getting over and over is " Do I need to wear sleeves?" Thankfully the answer is now. Really you could do it naked if you have control over your environment bit id question where you are performing if you are naked if you know what I mean
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Mar 27, 2015 08:56AM)
Alan, the other questions I had is how many different responses can you do and will you be able to play back in different order? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 08:58AM)
As many as you want to set up really and you and switch orders etc
Message: Posted by: Casey Sparrow (Mar 27, 2015 09:02AM)
Looks Amazing! only problem would be if the message was a one time only play. hopefully they can take the message as a souvenir "evidence" type thing ... also noticed that on the play back the sound waves were jumping at all recoded sound except the "answers"
Still looks amazing though..

CS
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 09:04AM)
The messages is actually recorded on the spectators phone so yes They get to keep it. How the wave from looks will depend on the voice recording app you have and ambient noise etc.
Message: Posted by: CesaralM (Mar 27, 2015 09:13AM)
Alan,

As you know, inventing a new effect done with very special coditions is difficult.

May be you are not using the same method that I use (I have to check this), but what is a fact is that you copied 100% the effect that I released 3 years ago with my Cesaral Spirit Sounds. I don´t think that this is fair.

Cesar Alonso (Cesaral Magic)
www.cesaral.com
Message: Posted by: Amrit (Mar 27, 2015 09:30AM)
Pre-ordered this as I can see using this a quite a bit. I will admit I have some reservations on this given the price (I brought Ringtone and, only my personal opinion, but it didn't work for me) but this does look amazing and can't wait to give it a try.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 09:40AM)
Cesar I have just pmed you to try and find out what your claiming originality to mate. Could you clarify that for me? I do not mind if you do it in pm or here.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 09:43AM)
Amrit. I am sure you will like it. A nice addition is the ability to load information in real time to the spectators device. The Ghosts can tell them what the are wearing, holding doing etc. Some performances may need a little more work but its all very easy to do.
Message: Posted by: CesaralM (Mar 27, 2015 10:33AM)
Alan, indeed you copied my routine as well as the text that I used to describe it in web site.

You copied my original effect and I hope that the magic community will respond to this kind of actions properly.

The original idea of inserting a message in a spectator’s mobile phone is from Cesaral Magic, and should be respected and not copied without permission. Maybe your are using another method, but the effect using the audience member's phone is mine.

I have got several private messages helping my decision of letting everybody know my thoughts in this thread.

Cesar alonso (Cesaral Magic)
www.cesaral.com
Message: Posted by: Jason Brumbalow (Mar 27, 2015 10:58AM)
Hi Cesar! Thank you for voicing your concerns. As the producer of EVP, I have no creative control over EVP, however in researching similar effects, it was deemed by our team that Alan had created something new in the market in terms of methodology.

However, if you feel he copied your work, I'm interested in vetting out where the overlap is.

Just want to make sure that we're identifying the 3 main points:

1) Plot

2) Method

3) Presentation


Plot - Spirit speaking predates any of us. Not sure that either part can claim originality there. If we're talking about putting a sound onto a phone, EVP can put a sound on any recording device, tablet, MP3 Player, IPad, phone, so it is not restricted to phones. How many plots have been recreated in the past 200 years of magic? Oil & Waters, levitations, ACR's, Triumphs... the list is exhaustive. Seems the very essence of the history of magic publication is rooted in evolving a magic plot line to make it more relevant, practical, effective, etc. EVP is just an evolution of a long standing plot that has been done far before EVP or Spirit Sounds. How many times has the bill change plot been done?

Method - I'm familiar with Spirit Sounds and EVP is completely different in design, construction, and execution.

Presentation - Again, both presentations deal with asking spirits questions and again, predates this issue. Moreover, the handlings are vastly different. EVP is incredibly mobile, happens in the hands, doesn't require extra props and can be used in many different ways (that are taught in the instructions).


Can you help us understand what you feel Alan copied directly?

Thank you for your time and concern!
Message: Posted by: CesaralM (Mar 27, 2015 11:10AM)
Jason,

1) Plot. The Cesaral Spirit Sounds also works with recording devices such as MP3 players, hand held recorders, tablets, etc.

2) Method. Both use different methods. In my method the magician does not need to be close to the spectators mobile phone. In EVP the magician is close (too close I would say) to the recording device...

What advantages has the other one that would justify its release?

3) Presentation.....My effect description has been copied, just read...what you are putting in the "presentation" section should be in the "method" section. Even a 5 years old boy would notice this.


Cesar Alonso (Cesaral Magic)
www.cesaral.com
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 27, 2015 11:11AM)
As an actual real paranormal investigator myself, as you can imagine this to me is quite interesting. Over the years and continue to, I have caught many real and genuine EVP's. When listening to play back of my audio recordings via such programms as audacity etc, you will get spikes at intervals of sound being recorded. If for example in a quiet room and when during play back, can you see the spike on the wave band of the borrowed phone at point the EVP is caught?
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 11:17AM)
Prince. Iyiu need to be aware of the ambient noise in the room but it is easy to catch wave peeks using evp. Hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: CesaralM (Mar 27, 2015 11:19AM)
By the way....Murphy's Magic Supplies should really take care of the creators....But it seems that this is not a priority for them.

Cesar alonso (Cesaral Magic)
www.cesaral.com
Message: Posted by: MichalMystic (Mar 27, 2015 11:23AM)
So if I understand this right I could force a card to the spectator and have the "GHOST" reveal that card?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 11:27AM)
If that's the presentations n you want to use. I prefer to use it as a standard evp recording. But if you wanted to have a card be revealed you could and you would would not need to force the card!
Message: Posted by: Amirá (Mar 27, 2015 11:30AM)
EVP is a phenomena outside the creative realms of magicians.
Magicians make it a "plot". If both methods are different, I don't see the problem with Alan´s release. Sure, they could add references to Cesaral´s previous work, but any different method can add something new to the options available for performance.

No one is owner of a "plot". In that case nothing can be released as original.

Go on Alan, all the best
Message: Posted by: MichalMystic (Mar 27, 2015 11:36AM)
Oh yeah Alan Im just thinking of a lot of different presentations with this. That was my first thought was all. Did you just say no force needed! What!!! That warps my mind a bit I must say!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 11:38AM)
Yeah you could reveal anything with no force needed.
Message: Posted by: CarlMcCoy (Mar 27, 2015 11:52AM)
Want. Want. Want. When I stop wanting?
Message: Posted by: mysticalsales (Mar 27, 2015 12:29PM)
Http://cesaral.com/shop/en/see-all/57-cesaral-spirit-sounds.html
does look pretty similar.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Mar 27, 2015 12:29PM)
This looks great!
More perfomances

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l_fN8efmmc
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 12:42PM)
"I was one of the first people to see the full trailer for E.V.P and I got CHILLS just from the trailer. When I saw what it was, I was BLOWN away, I will have E.V.P with me everyday..we have stepped out the realm of magic and into the supernatural....BRILLIANT!!!" Justin Miller

Some nice words from Justin. Happy you guys are liking this
Message: Posted by: MichalMystic (Mar 27, 2015 12:50PM)
Ok first Cesaral Spirits Sounds is 4 times the price. If the methods are different then it be nice for CesaralM to stop hi jacking this thread. If he honestly felt wronged he could of done this professionally by PMing Alan and discussing in private as it should be and stay on topic on this very interesting release from Alan.
Message: Posted by: E.E. (Mar 27, 2015 01:07PM)
[quote]On Mar 27, 2015, slyhand wrote:
I'd like to know more about it like limitations, setup, etc. But looks very good so far. [/quote]

I second this. More information please!

It's awesome though! :)
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Mar 27, 2015 01:14PM)
I am really looking forward to picking this one up. I already have several ideas for how to use it. My only question at this point is - In the demo video the "EVP voice" is rather loud and distinct. Is there any control over that?

Cesar - I'm sorry but I personally don't think you have a leg to stand on regarding the plot. People have been doing EVP effects since before smart phones existed. You have no claim to that plot. If Alan is saying it's a new method, different to yours, then there is no claim in methodology either. If you're going to claim originality on the presentation of "Ask the spirits a question and record the answer" - Then you're going to be rather busy with every ghost hunting show ever.

The ad copy is rather similar though so I see your point there.

Also - Out of curiosity, why is there no mention of Banachek on your Psychokinetic Pen page?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 27, 2015 01:25PM)
[quote]On Mar 27, 2015, CesaralM wrote:
I brought to the market my Cesaral Spirit Sounds 3 years ago, which is exactly the same effect as the EVP. Here it is:

http://cesaral.com/shop/en/see-all/57-cesaral-spirit-sounds.html

Where are the ethics here? Can anybody copy other effects so freely?

Cesar Alonso (Cesaral Magic) [/quote]

Let's hope Alan's version is not so expensive.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 27, 2015 01:27PM)
We already know how much Alan's will be
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 27, 2015 01:34PM)
Oh yeh. Missed the link. Both too expensive for me unfortunately.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 27, 2015 01:42PM)
Alan/Jason can the 'evp' be captured on any other audio recording device e.g dictaphone etc? Or just on a mobile phone? Thanks
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 01:48PM)
Yes any audio device you like sir
Message: Posted by: CarlMcCoy (Mar 27, 2015 01:59PM)
Any idea of a release date Alan / Jason?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 27, 2015 01:59PM)
Sorry, I assumed this was software based. Is this hardware that we're buying on this occasion?
Message: Posted by: Jason Brumbalow (Mar 27, 2015 02:16PM)
Hi Carl - April 1st is the ship date.

Hi Pegasus - You will be buying a gimmick, but no software, apps, bluetooth, wifi or anything to install. What you and your spectator already have on your phones + the EVP gimmick is all you need.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 27, 2015 02:28PM)
Thank you, Jason. I may be willing to part with my hard earned money in that case.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 27, 2015 02:33PM)
[quote]On Mar 27, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
"I was one of the first people to see the full trailer for E.V.P and I got CHILLS just from the trailer. When I saw what it was, I was BLOWN away, I will have E.V.P with me everyday..we have stepped out the realm of magic and into the supernatural....BRILLIANT!!!" Justin Miller

Some nice words from Justin. Happy you guys are liking this [/quote]

Isn't this the same person who endorsed Hug? Please excuse me if I ignore that particular quote.
:rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 27, 2015 02:37PM)
I was just given a sneak peak at HUG and I literally yelled at my computer screen NO ****ING WAY! HUG is the most ridiculous, most unexpected, effect I have ever seen! You can call this hype or whatever you want to call it, if ever an effect deserves hype it is this one. I have consulted with nefesch on this and told him how to film the trailer and to make sure to price this high so it will weed out those who are not serious about performing this. This is going DIRECTLY into my everyday set. And the best part it uses no props, no cards, no coins, no nothing, just you and them. I still cannot believe what I just experienced.
Man I wish you would NOT put this out!
JM

Here we are.
Message: Posted by: E.E. (Mar 27, 2015 03:12PM)
Excuse my ignorance. What on earth is HUG?
Message: Posted by: CarlMcCoy (Mar 27, 2015 03:17PM)
E.E, mate, you should consider your ignorance to be Bliss.

HUG was a trainwreck of epic proportions.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 27, 2015 03:53PM)
Ha ha Carl, indeed.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Mar 27, 2015 04:02PM)
It does look the same as "Cesaral Spirit Sounds," and I understand how Cesar would feel. If anyone remembers the "Don't Lose Your Head" vs. "Drawn Apart" controversy, you'll know Alan has experienced what it's like to argue his effect has been ripped off. Now the "shoe" is being placed on the other foot by Cesar. I hope Alan and Cesar are able to work this out privately.

In the mean time, Murphy's Magic could alter their advertising text a little. They state, "EVP is the first device in magic to ever allow the spectator to keep the evidence of a seemingly paranormal event on their own phone. Use your newly discovered power wisely." From what I understand, Cesaral Spirit Sounds allows the spectator to do that and, therefore, at least Murphy's can make that correction.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: E.E. (Mar 27, 2015 04:28PM)
Ok. Then I have to feel bliss :eek:
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 04:31PM)
I attempted to talk to him in pm and he was unwilling. We answered all of his points more than above what we should so to me the matter is delt with as far as we can. He did not Creat the plot. The effect or method and I've wished him every luck with his.. However this thread is for evp and let's keep it that way.

So back to evp. Let's rawk this
Message: Posted by: Jason Brumbalow (Mar 27, 2015 04:37PM)
We gladly updated the description to reflect that EVP is not the first product to capture spirit sounds on a recording device. Forgive us. Mea Culpa.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 27, 2015 04:39PM)
Do we have a release date?
Message: Posted by: MichalMystic (Mar 27, 2015 04:47PM)
Still very interested in this but to be honest the Justin Miller quote doesn't give me a lot of confidence..almost the opposite.
Message: Posted by: Riku_Pajari (Mar 27, 2015 04:54PM)
[quote]On Mar 27, 2015, pegasus wrote:
Do we have a release date? [/quote]

It's said that 1st of April is the shipping date above.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 05:06PM)
Let the effect talk for itself and it will !
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Mar 27, 2015 06:14PM)
Now this looks good. Love what I can perform with this. Lots.
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Mar 27, 2015 07:04PM)
So, the performer needs their own smart phone plus the EVP gimmick? And then they need to borrow a smart phone or other recording device from a spectator?

I have a few questions.

Can the performer's smart phone be any brand of smart phone or does it have to be a particular type? I have an iPhone and I know of a couple of tricks that have been released over the years that only work on Android.

Also, does the performer's phone ever knowingly come in to play during performance? Or is it used in secret?

And lastly, there was a comment that said the performer has to get close to the recording device. Does this mean you can't have an audience turn on their own phones and record the questions/answers themselves? Does the performer have to hit record?

Cheers,

R
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 27, 2015 07:08PM)
Any smart phone will work.. The only phone in play during the routine is the spectators. And I make a point of asked my them to open up there phone and voice recorder and pressing record them selfs etc. Hope this helps
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Mar 27, 2015 07:15PM)
Sweet.

Oh. Can it be done on more than 1 recording device at a time?
Message: Posted by: MagieLucas (Mar 27, 2015 07:26PM)
Looks so good I will buy this for sure !
Message: Posted by: davidjames69 (Mar 27, 2015 08:21PM)
Hi Alan can you please tell me does EVP require any wires / threads or things running up or down your arms or legs? Do you need to put metal plates or Magnets in your shoes or modify your shoes in any way? Is it big bulky or heavy? What kind of Battery's does it take and how many ? What is the charge or battery life? I really want this but am afraid it's gonna be something I can do or pull off so to put out a $100 and no money back if I don't like or can't use kinda scres me from getting😢 how hard is it gonna be to pull off the move you need to make or do ( witch isn't shown in video) to get the Voice on there phone with out them seeing you do anything funny? Please help this looks really cool and I'm just trying to understand better. Thanks in advance. Dave
Message: Posted by: Martin Adams (Mar 27, 2015 09:24PM)
Hi Guys,

EVP is available with free shipping (Fedex Express shipping worldwide (2-3 days)). Here: http://mystiquefactory.com/products/evp-dvd-and-gimmick-by-alan-rorrison

Have a nice weekend.

Kindest Regards,
Martin
Message: Posted by: wei_lostart (Mar 27, 2015 10:09PM)
The trailer kind of freaked me out...I don't like it....I love it
Message: Posted by: geggy (Mar 28, 2015 03:27AM)
This looks amazing. . .During performance can you have a couple of no replies to build the suspense and then hit with a reply. .freaky stuff.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 28, 2015 06:12AM)
Geggy you can make it reply how how like. Dave, The effect is what user in the video and it's easy. That's about it... You can be sleeveless, no batteries required and no plates in your shoes
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 28, 2015 06:34AM)
No bty's?? Ok I'm baffled.
Message: Posted by: davidjames69 (Mar 28, 2015 08:18AM)
So your telling me my 12 yr old son who's never done magic in his life could buy this and bring to school to perform and start freaking friends and others out with it ? Does it need to be done in quiet environment ? It can get kinda loud at my work and need to know/ thanks.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 28, 2015 09:08AM)
Yes ur 12 year old could.. You need to be able to make a voice recording... Obviously for the effect I do not recommend trying it in a club.. Just be aware of the ambient noise
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Mar 28, 2015 10:20AM)
[quote]On Mar 28, 2015, davidjames69 wrote:
So your telling me my 12 yr old son who's never done magic in his life could buy this and bring to school to perform and start freaking friends and others out with it ? [/quote]

YES! soon kids and magicians will be doing this effect everywhere!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 28, 2015 11:30AM)
[quote]On Mar 28, 2015, the Sponge wrote:
[quote]On Mar 28, 2015, davidjames69 wrote:
So your telling me my 12 yr old son who's never done magic in his life could buy this and bring to school to perform and start freaking friends and others out with it ? [/quote]

YES! soon kids and magicians will be doing this effect everywhere! [/quote]
Rich kids, perhaps.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 28, 2015 11:32AM)
Got the wife on board so I'll be looking more into getting this. However would love to read a few more worker reviews I love the entire plot. My question is pocket management?
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Mar 28, 2015 12:47PM)
How many preset are available?up to 5 or more?

:stircoffee:
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Mar 28, 2015 12:48PM)
Killer effect I like it a lot .
Must buy for sure
Nice job mr. Rorrison :spinningcoin:
Message: Posted by: darus (Mar 28, 2015 01:31PM)
Hi Alan,
Can I use my blackberry or ask for one?

Darus
www.darus.it
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 28, 2015 02:29PM)
Blackberry is a minefields of yes and no unfortunately so far d recommend against it
Message: Posted by: davidjames69 (Mar 28, 2015 02:48PM)
Why not blackberry? It's a smartphone?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 28, 2015 03:10PM)
Let me do some test for you.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Mar 28, 2015 03:29PM)
Will it work with other soft fruit like strawberries?
Message: Posted by: MarcusC (Mar 28, 2015 03:49PM)
[quote]On Mar 28, 2015, dave_matkin wrote:
Will it work with other soft fruit like strawberries? [/quote]
As long as your strawberry has a voice recorder feature you're safe. ;)
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Mar 28, 2015 04:05PM)
Darm it! it won't work then my strawberry is just the bog standard drooping fruit sack with the seed studded surface. Oh well may be I should get an upgrade to strawberry 5.6? ;)
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Mar 28, 2015 04:24PM)
What's missing from the demo,do we need to do something else that might look suspicious?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 28, 2015 04:58PM)
The demo really shows you just about everything I think. In performance there really is nothing to hide
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Mar 28, 2015 05:15PM)
Thanks Alan
Message: Posted by: kevin carmean (Mar 28, 2015 05:36PM)
I love this but my biggest problem is the name? BIG MISTAKE!! You should have called it anything else but not EVP or anything to do with EVP in the title. When people talk about this after your performance(which they will no doubt), anyone who is familiar with EVP's will do a quick search on their phone "EVP trick" and find out instantly that it's not only is a trick but they can buy it for themselves!! This great effect has been shot down even before its release.
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Mar 28, 2015 05:55PM)
Looks sick and I'm looking forward to seeing some reviews. If the name could be changed that would be smart something like PVE.
Good luck Alan I think you have a hit here.
Mike
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 28, 2015 05:55PM)
I don't mind that to be honest. I don't claim to be a paranormalist. But I can see why you would think that... Keep in mind the evp presentation is just I thing you can do with this gimmick
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 28, 2015 06:01PM)
I don't mind that to be honest. I don't claim to be a paranormalist. But I can see why you would think that... Keep in mind the evp presentation is just I thing you can do with this gimmick
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 28, 2015 06:31PM)
I do agree with Kevin about the name and if you can I would change it. Even if people don't buy it they will still know by search that it's a magic 'trick'. Especially as they get to keep the recording and will be telling people and showing (people will be more likely to search about/for it) as they will be fascinated - especially if people know you are a magician.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 28, 2015 06:53PM)
Where I can see the concern I also feel that there is such a wealth of information in he subject online already that this may be harder to find than one would expect.. Would have been fun giving it a code name though lol
Message: Posted by: geggy (Mar 28, 2015 08:35PM)
Or. . . During performance . . Wait for it. . You don't mention. . .EVP. . . . Genius. .
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Mar 28, 2015 10:50PM)
[quote]On Mar 28, 2015, geggy wrote:
Or. . . During performance . . Wait for it. . You don't mention. . .EVP. . . . Genius. . [/quote]

but... that's what the phenomenon is actually called. soooooo.... yeah.
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Mar 28, 2015 10:50PM)
Is it fully customizable to the point where the "spirit" can reveal the spectators card??
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 28, 2015 11:30PM)
[quote]On Mar 29, 2015, the Sponge wrote:
[quote]On Mar 28, 2015, geggy wrote:
Or. . . During performance . . Wait for it. . You don't mention. . .EVP. . . . Genius. . [/quote]

but... that's what the phenomenon is actually called. soooooo.... yeah. [/quote]

The phenomenon? Eh? It doesn't really happen...
Message: Posted by: tricku (Mar 29, 2015 02:09AM)
I have pre-ordered as soon as I viewed the Video.....Let's see... I hope I am not let down again.
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Message: Posted by: darus (Mar 29, 2015 02:40AM)
Hi Alan,
Any news about blackberry?
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Mar 29, 2015 03:42AM)
Just saying - If your spectator is going home and looking up how you did the trick, that's on you, not the trick.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 29, 2015 05:09AM)
??? Yeah it is the trick because it's called evp - and that's what is being captured is an 'evp'. Unless you go to strangers (who already do not know who you are i.e a magician - who performs tricks) and do this having to explain for people what EVP's are, how they are captured etc, then people possibly wouldn't question this as a 'trick' as it's that strong and convincing (so may not decide to try and look it up - as it's real phenomenon which is genuinely out there) HOWEVER the moment they know you are a magician wether it be through reputation, performed to other guests at event etc etc this instantly becomes a trick. The fact that it's on their phone and they keep playing it is even more intriguing to them as far as the technology in how this works - making them more determind to try and work it out (as it had to be a trick to them - because your a magician - not a paranormal investigator) so that's when the searching on google starts and they will find it.

Even if they don't know the exact technology used to produce the voice, won't matter as they now see/know it's a 'trick' you can buy and wasn't real after all.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie-Lyerla (Mar 29, 2015 05:37AM)
Unfortunately after I googled EVP phone trick, Alan's EVP was the second link from the top. But I also agree that if you have your spectator questioning your performance, than that's most likely not a strong performance. Or poor crowd management. This is definitely worth the price. Imagine doing some mentalsm routine that reveals their birthday or special personplace. And then hittin em with EVP. You will have a solid performance with an unforgettable souvenir, plus one hell of a story.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 29, 2015 05:53AM)
Lol - it's not about you giving a good enough performance etc. if your a magician and your spectator knows you are a magician who performs 'tricks' then anything you perform will be a TRICK - no matter how clever convincing it is etc. this is the way people think - fact. The only way you can get away with this and them possibly not thinking this is a trick, is in my example above for no one that knows you as a magician - and this is a stand effect ALONE with doing any other 'Tricks' to follow.

Yeah they will think it's good, clever, spooky (as entertainment and a trick) etc and yes will try and work it out (just like they do with all the other magic tricks you perform because magic is like a puzzle they try to work out) but the reality of it is this will be associated as a clever trick using technology IF performed and played incorrectly - no matter how good of a performer you are
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 29, 2015 06:18AM)
Lets not move into this debate tricks or miracles etc... The trick is called evp and if a spectator trawls to grouch all the information on the subject online to find this one little niece market then if say they have more of an interest in magic than most magicisns.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 29, 2015 06:19AM)
Ive never seen a bad Alan Rorrison trick actually.
Everything I have of Alan's is great, and he has very good customer service. I'll be getting this.
James
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Mar 29, 2015 06:53AM)
[quote]On Mar 29, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Lets not move into this debate tricks or miracles etc... The trick is called evp and if a spectator trawls to grouch all the information on the subject online to find this one little niece market then if say they have more of an interest in magic than most magicisns. [/quote]

No. Maybe they just want to find out more information on EVPs! Again, this is it they call it, so you you do an amazing thing, they believe it was real, they are intrigued with the concept, they go online to research more and ... oh, it was just a trick.

S
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 29, 2015 07:07AM)
Haha - your right Alan about the interest etc. I think a lot of the time performers forget how lay people think, and in a way understandable as our mindset is of a magician. Please as I am constantly mentioning this on other threads, that you entertaining as a magician is a performance of 'tricks' and the material you use. If you think that you can then bring into play something other of a mentalism nature, psychic, paranormal etc please don't think that your audience will then think this 'could' be real because in their eyes and mind it's just a trick. A clever one which they can't work out, but at the end of the day just a trick.

What is the point in performing this if you want your audience to know and believe it's a trick - exactly you wouldn't. You think it's going to get the freaked out reaction as you have seen in the vids doing this after card to wallet? No it won't, maybe for a second but then it goes into "hmm that's clever I wonder how he managed to get that voice on there" So if your going to use this use it, use it wisely and don't perform it as a magician. It's rare that there is a time and place for certain effects and this is one of them.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 29, 2015 07:12AM)
The sponge. I think ur missing the point. What I mean is. If they Google evp they will need to swim through a mass of normal info on standard evp. Let's face it, if a spectator wanted to find out about any trick they could on Google given the right motivation. Most don't see it as an issue .
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 29, 2015 07:33AM)
Have I really just read suggesting not to say EVP in the performance?!?! you have to say evp because you have to explain what EVP's are, why they work and the science behind it to the real and genuine phenomenon that it is. Most people unless genuinely into the paranormal or paranormal investigators (like me) may have heard of it but doesn't actually know what it means but more importantly what it stands for! So you are giving a demonstration of what an EVP is and how you conduct the calling out technique carried out when actually doing a real paranormal investigation. So for it to even be the slightest believable it's key you give a good background on what an EVP actually is.

So then they know your a magician and now going to perform something a little different. They are so amazed when they hear the voice NOT because they think it's paranormal but how the hell have you magically got a voice on their phone. So all they do is search evp phone trick and there you go (1st page of any search engine)
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 29, 2015 07:41AM)
Just and a side point. Google any of this :
Refilling soda can magic
Pen through bill
Linking polos / lifesavers
Floating card
Floating rose

Infact just about any magic description and you will find it. With your theory magic should be dead in the water and everything is a non starter. It is just aime not what spectators do
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 29, 2015 08:12AM)
Yes because everything performed as a magic trick and as a magician is a trick and perceived as a trick. They know by conclusion it is a trick and wether they take the time to try and search the secret is another thing, but they already satisfied it's a 'trick' so there is no reason to question if it was real or not. HOWEVER what you are apparently now claiming when performing this - is that it is REAL and something paranormal - not magical. So, now the situation is and the logical thinking of any normal lay person that they will think is, wow I wonder if this is real or maybe a trick. So that curiosity alone will be enough for them to search it - which they will. 99% when trying to search this will be typing EVP phone magic trick.

The ironic thing is that in the search results this thread may even come up
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Mar 29, 2015 08:16AM)
Hi guys
As soon as I saw this advertised my money was straight down on the table,,I am a residential caretaker in a mansion which was built in the early 1600s it is now used as a residential school for the performing arts. As you can imagine there are so many stories about ghosts and strange happenings that I have got a perfect opportunity to use this not as a trick but as a real display of EVP. I have done loads of research about the mansions history and the people that have lived and died here this could possibly be the best purchase I have made to date. If this works as well as it does in the trailer then this is going to be my reputation maker.......Thanks Alan ,great work 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 29, 2015 08:17AM)
If you decided to to perform it as real that is up to you. I don't I perform it as a trick . Which brings you back to my previous post, ANY trick on this earth can be easily gooled. At this point both side could go back and fourth as a matter of opinion. Id suggest moving past it lol
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 29, 2015 08:22AM)
No you don't. you can just say that ghosts leave an electrical pattern that is picked up by recording devices.
The ACTUAL science behind it is pareidolia. The psychological phenomenon of taking random stimulus and seeing or hearing a pattern. that's the only science.
There is no science that shows it really is paranormal. You being an investigator probably know that. Magicians all have different ways to perform. I would never go into some lecture type
"experiment" explaining all the history of EVP. If you do, great. Not all of us do. Youre using words like "Have to" is just not valid. You can do anything, its so easy really.
James
[quote]On Mar 29, 2015, PRINCE wrote:
Have I really just read suggesting not to say EVP in the performance?!?! you have to say evp because you have to explain what EVP's are, why they work and the science behind it to the real and genuine phenomenon that it is. Most people unless genuinely into the paranormal or paranormal investigators (like me) may have heard of it but doesn't actually know what it means but more importantly what it stands for! So you are giving a demonstration of what an EVP is and how you conduct the calling out technique carried out when actually doing a real paranormal investigation. So for it to even be the slightest believable it's key you give a good background on what an EVP actually is.

So then they know your a magician and now going to perform something a little different. They are so amazed when they hear the voice NOT because they think it's paranormal but how the hell have you magically got a voice on their phone. So all they do is search evp phone trick and there you go (1st page of any search engine) [/quote]
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Mar 29, 2015 08:36AM)
As you said Alan this could be used either way but as I'm living and working in a place that has a massive reputation for being haunted this is the perfect tool for me to use. Not many people there know that I'm a hobbyist magician so I can really use it to my advantage. Alan,can you only ask one question at a time before you play back or can you ask say 3 questions then play it back ?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 29, 2015 08:38AM)
My standard routine is 3 but you can ask as many questions as you like in one performance
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Mar 29, 2015 08:51AM)
Omg his is going to be awesome. I have already used a couple of tricks produced by the Lebanon circle and they got amazing reactions so this is just going to blow the minds of my spectators. I'm always being asked about the history of the mansion now I can add a whole new dimension to the tours I do around the building
Message: Posted by: darus (Mar 29, 2015 09:19AM)
I'd like to buy it but I don't understand if it works with my blackberry.
Darus
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Mar 29, 2015 09:39AM)
The "spirit" can reveal the spectators card? Alan?

Love your effects by the way, I know this one will be awesome.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 29, 2015 09:48AM)
It should work just fine with blackberry. And you can reveal anythink you like
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 29, 2015 09:54AM)
Really? I don't get why anyone would want to perform this as a trick? What's the point? So when the spec asks about this on how the voice is on there when no one ever heard it, you wouldn't want to claim this as paranormal - just a trick? That's the whole point of this trick is the make believe that's it's an actual real EVP - as this in the field is exactly what happens when you catch a real EVP - looks and sounds exactly the same. This effect is too strong to just play it off as a trick. The perfect example on the way this should be performed is the example ace face described - not to be performed as just another trick amongst your set.

Being an actual paranormal investigator evps are very real and not just a case of trying to make voices/words from white noise (because you can clearly hear the voices and responses). Believe what you want but until you conduct a real investigation using real equipment then you will see how real evps are, especially when interacting and getting intelligent responses.

The point is that evps are familiar and 'real' to the spectator so you have to or more should want to give a background on what evps are before leading into this. Step out of the magic performance and anyone into mentalism, bizarre etc will tell you the way to make this believable is that there has to be a plot and logic why something happens. The logic behind why the voice is on the phone is because you have just captured a 'real' EVP. SO if they look into the history of EVP etc they will know what they witnessed and experienced is 'real' because it's already out there and used as a technique when doing a real investigation as evidence. And that's why performing this needs a build up and an explanation - if you want to pass what has happened as real - and not a trick
Message: Posted by: darus (Mar 29, 2015 09:58AM)
Alan you said: should work. I'm afraid.
Message: Posted by: darus (Mar 29, 2015 09:58AM)
Alan you said: should work. I'm afraid.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 29, 2015 10:10AM)
Darus. The blackberrys I have tested with worked absolutely fine. prince. Your a paranormal investigator? I'm sorry if not left you a tool you can fraudulently claim as real evp.. I myself present this as a trick not proof of a non exscistant (in my opinion) afterlife. I'm absolutely happy it being a trick.

There is also non evp effects you can do with this. Just as a heads up.


Alan
Message: Posted by: darus (Mar 29, 2015 10:16AM)
Thanks. For your reponse Alan. I'll buyEvery soon.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 29, 2015 10:22AM)
I would perform it as a paranormal event but not going into the EVP or background of EVP. that's just me, if you do use the background, I'm sure its fantastic.
We all have different life experiences. I would probably say it was the ghost of my little brother. That he loved to play with tape recorders when he was a kid before he died and that's how we have communicated before.
But, that's true, so anyway, whatever works for you.
James

[quote]On Mar 29, 2015, PRINCE wrote:
Really? I don't get why anyone would want to perform this as a trick? What's the point? So when the spec asks about this on how the voice is on there when no one ever heard it, you wouldn't want to claim this as paranormal - just a trick? That's the whole point of this trick is the make believe that's it's an actual real EVP - as this in the field is exactly what happens when you catch a real EVP - looks and sounds exactly the same. This effect is too strong to just play it off as a trick. The perfect example on the way this should be performed is the example ace face described - not to be performed as just another trick amongst your set.

Being an actual paranormal investigator evps are very real and not just a case of trying to make voices/words from white noise (because you can clearly hear the voices and responses). Believe what you want but until you conduct a real investigation using real equipment then you will see how real evps are, especially when interacting and getting intelligent responses.

The point is that evps are familiar and 'real' to the spectator so you have to or more should want to give a background on what evps are before leading into this. Step out of the magic performance and anyone into mentalism, bizarre etc will tell you the way to make this believable is that there has to be a plot and logic why something happens. The logic behind why the voice is on the phone is because you have just captured a 'real' EVP. SO if they look into the history of EVP etc they will know what they witnessed and experienced is 'real' because it's already out there and used as a technique when doing a real investigation as evidence. And that's why performing this needs a build up and an explanation - if you want to pass what has happened as real - and not a trick [/quote]
Message: Posted by: carlwag (Mar 29, 2015 01:56PM)
Can this be performed while taking a video if people don't have a voice recorder on their phone.

Carl
Message: Posted by: E.E. (Mar 29, 2015 01:59PM)
[quote]On Mar 29, 2015, carlwag wrote:
Can this be performed while taking a video if people don't have a voice recorder on their phone.

Carl [/quote]

I think that a phone that doesn't have a voice recorder will hardly have a video camara :eek:
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Mar 29, 2015 02:11PM)
My 2 cents ...
If you are going to play this as a 'REAL' EVP, do not overkill with several responses !
People that are watching these "Ghost Hunting" shows, never see where several words are recorded. (K.I.S.S.)

Also, never refer to it as EVP's ... it is (EVP) for those in the know.

@Alan, can you have a few participants have out their smart phones ?
Will, it be recorded on all ?
Why, I ask ... it would be nice if a reply was only recorded to one or two smart phones, but not to all.
That, would also add more for the participants to compare how some recorded and some did not.
Adding to the Paranormal ! :-)

Thanks, in advance !

~G
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 29, 2015 04:04PM)
Agree with Godzilla, call out about three questions and on the 3rd question you get the response again adding to the build up which again makes it more believable). you can and do refer it to EVP's if you are referring to the phenomenon more than one being caught, or if it's just one caught or you are referring to just one then it's just EVP but yes in the field I and other investigators refer to evps because you may have caught more than one on the investigation.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Mar 29, 2015 04:30PM)
Prince, respectfully ... EVP is used in the singular and plural.
But, to each their own. :-)

Gary
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 29, 2015 04:46PM)
:) Yes that's right and if you manage to catch more than one 'voice' using this, then you have caught EVP's. However if I was to perform this, I would prefer to catch just an EVP.
Message: Posted by: Steve Haynes (Mar 29, 2015 06:51PM)
Fantastic companion effect for this is Andrew maybe,Ghost vision
Borrowed phone as well.
Pairing these two together would be pretty sweet IMO.
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3539
Message: Posted by: Steve Haynes (Mar 29, 2015 06:51PM)
Fantastic companion effect for this is Andrew mayne,Ghost vision
Borrowed phone as well.
Pairing these two together would be pretty sweet IMO.
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3539
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 29, 2015 07:02PM)
Yes sir that would be great
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 29, 2015 07:23PM)
Phenomenon, phenomena
Singular, then plural.
James

[quote]On Mar 29, 2015, PRINCE wrote:
:) Yes that's right and if you manage to catch more than one 'voice' using this, then you have caught EVP's. However if I was to perform this, I would prefer to catch just an EVP. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Magicboy! (Mar 29, 2015 10:00PM)
This looks amazing, can't wait to get it.
Message: Posted by: Magicboy! (Mar 29, 2015 10:16PM)
Prince- I really think your over thinking this mate lol not everyone is a investigator like your self, You can describe what an EVP is without saying the words "EVP" I'm sure you can make up some bullcrap up as that is what magicians do in every performance. I think your wrong about everyone thinks your doing "tricks" because your a magician for instance you would never perform a coin bend as a "trick" when you do it right the audience believes you bent that coin through some kind of paranormal activity or mind power or how ever you present it. I'm positive that any good performer can make this into something incredible, you just need an imagination first.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 29, 2015 10:59PM)
Actually, all that is required for this or any other 'magic' to work, is the willing suspension of disbelief on the part of the audience.

It would be wrong of me to fuel an argument on the immorality, or delusional tendencies, of those charlatans and fools who claim any kind of evidence for so-called EVP. Not wishing to engage with either kind of individual, and never having been one to indulge in apophasis, I will remain silent on the subject, and nobody will ever know my views on such base, exploitative chicanery.

As a piece of theatre, however, this looks admirable.
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Mar 29, 2015 11:07PM)
[quote]On Mar 29, 2015, tomsk192 wrote:
It would be wrong of me to fuel an argument on the immorality, or delusional tendencies, of those charlatans and fools who claim any kind of evidence for so-called EVP. Not wishing to engage with either kind of individual, and never having been one to indulge in apophasis, I will remain silent on the subject, and nobody will ever know my views on such base, exploitative chicanery.
[/quote]

Most entertaining thing I've read all day!
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 29, 2015 11:09PM)
Ta ;)

But the day is still young.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Mar 29, 2015 11:28PM)
@Alan, can you have a few participants have out their smart phones ?
Will, it be recorded on all ?
Why, I ask ... it would be nice if a reply was only recorded to one or two smart phones, but not to all.
That, would also add more for the participants to compare how some recorded and some did not.
Adding to the Paranormal ! :-)

Thanks, in advance !

[/quote]


Yo, Alan ?

@ James, Phenomenon or Phenomena : www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_tupPBtWQ :-)
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 30, 2015 06:59AM)
[quote]On Mar 29, 2015, Steve Haynes wrote:
Fantastic companion effect for this is Andrew mayne,Ghost vision
Borrowed phone as well.
Pairing these two together would be pretty sweet IMO.
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3539 [/quote]


IT would... however in my experience I use to use Ghost vision ALL the time and loved it. But with every new phone that I had the camera was becoming too good. I now have the note 4 from Samsung and I can no longer use Ghost Vision. Now back to EVP I don't think it was asked but does it require a lot of pocket management? I wear jeans and shirts just like the demo and prank videos but I also carry some cards coins etc.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 30, 2015 07:04AM)
There is not allot of additional pocket space needed
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 30, 2015 07:13AM)
OK then I'm in... next thing I'm waiting on is release and ship date. I'm at this location till April 27 then I'm back states side. Not sure to wait or order..
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 30, 2015 08:06AM)
It releases in the 1st .
Message: Posted by: cupsandballsmagic (Mar 30, 2015 08:32AM)
I won't mention Tom's apophasis, it's not relevant here.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 30, 2015 08:32AM)
Oh dear - here we go...
@Xiqual - Electronic Voice Phenomena - if you catch one voice on the recording it is a phenomena if you catch two seperate voices then this become two so you have two seperate phenomena's - hence you caych EVP's (because you could catch more then one during an investigation, if you only catch one then its just an EVP but nmore than one you have could EVP's)

@Magicboy! - In a way its irrelevant than I'm an investigator, as all I'm doing is bring my expertise in what EVP's are in relation to what this is. Its up to you how you descibe what you are presenting - but the fact is what you are capturing is apparently an EVP - hense the name. So it really should have the logic in explaining what you are doing and hopinf to catch. As if you ever caught a real EVP during an investigation then this is the technique you carry out to catch it. If you honestly think that after your set of card tricks etc you then do your coin bend and you really think they will think you used a certain power to acheieve the bend, then I'm sorry to say your wrong. They know your a magician who performs 'tricks' made to look like magic if there was such a thing. So by trying to buy into you believing they will think anything other than what you did was just a clever trick, then I'm sorry to say you are fooling yourself. As soon as your perception for them is of you being a magician - nothing you do will convince them otherwise - as you mearly did it via trickey.

@tomsk192 - will be beack with this - cant wait :)
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 30, 2015 08:50AM)
The plural of phenomenon IS phenomena.
One phenomenon
Two phenomena

There is no word in the English language "phenomenas"
James

[quote]On Mar 30, 2015, PRINCE wrote:
Oh dear - here we go...
@Xiqual - Electronic Voice Phenomena - if you catch one voice on the recording it is a phenomena if you catch two seperate voices then this become two so you have two seperate phenomena's - hence you caych EVP's (because you could catch more then one during an investigation, if you only catch one then its just an EVP but nmore than one you have could EVP's)

@Magicboy! - In a way its irrelevant than I'm an investigator, as all I'm doing is bring my expertise in what EVP's are in relation to what this is. Its up to you how you descibe what you are presenting - but the fact is what you are capturing is apparently an EVP - hense the name. So it really should have the logic in explaining what you are doing and hopinf to catch. As if you ever caught a real EVP during an investigation then this is the technique you carry out to catch it. If you honestly think that after your set of card tricks etc you then do your coin bend and you really think they will think you used a certain power to acheieve the bend, then I'm sorry to say your wrong. They know your a magician who performs 'tricks' made to look like magic if there was such a thing. So by trying to buy into you believing they will think anything other than what you did was just a clever trick, then I'm sorry to say you are fooling yourself. As soon as your perception for them is of you being a magician - nothing you do will convince them otherwise - as you mearly did it via trickey.

@tomsk192 - will be beack with this - cant wait :) [/quote]
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Mar 30, 2015 09:08AM)
[quote]On Mar 30, 2015, cupsandballsmagic wrote:
I won't mention Tom's apophasis, it's not relevant here. [/quote]

;-)
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 30, 2015 12:55PM)
Well hopefully it won't sell out by the first.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 30, 2015 02:09PM)
I should have just called it "ghosty" would have avoided most clarifications. Lol
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Mar 30, 2015 02:10PM)
[quote]On Mar 27, 2015, reignofsound wrote:
This looks great!
More perfomances

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l_fN8efmmc [/quote]


I'm presuming that he knew the people's names beforehand. Or can you actually record something real-time and have it on the recording like it appeared he did in this video?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 30, 2015 03:31PM)
There is a way to load real time. You can do everything in the video and do it better lol
Message: Posted by: Magicboy! (Mar 30, 2015 03:54PM)
PRINCE- you wouldn't do card tricks before EVP would you lol!!!!!!

you would do something like, double cross, psychic touching, coin bend. Etc only an idiot would think it would be suitable after a card trick.
At the end of the day some will believe and some won't but I garantee it will be a powerful reaction........what's there not to understand.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 30, 2015 07:34PM)
Call it what you want Alan. Who cares what the "experts" say.
James

[quote]On Mar 30, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
I should have just called it "ghosty" would have avoided most clarifications. Lol [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Mar 30, 2015 08:53PM)
[quote]On Mar 30, 2015, Godzilla wrote:
@Alan, can you have a few participants have out their smart phones ?
Will, it be recorded on all ?
Why, I ask ... it would be nice if a reply was only recorded to one or two smart phones, but not to all.
That, would also add more for the participants to compare how some recorded and some did not.
Adding to the Paranormal ! :-)

Thanks, in advance !

[/quote]



One more time !
Would, Alan or Jason answer the question ?
Unless you don't know ...

& I like "Ghosty" better than the EVP ! :-)
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 30, 2015 09:05PM)
Ok ..... Lets put a few questions to rest and break transparency... IF you have a friend or accomplice you can basically make ANY piece of information you want to appear on there phone happen.. That means in real time. You can predict the change in there pocket, what they are wearing, hell you can predict what gum they are chewing. To look at this as a simple appearance of a "ghost" is frankly silly. WITH the evp unit you will be able to predict anything that your spectator can throw at you in real time with an accomplice. You can ALSO let them call any one they want and have THAT PERSON give them any information you want in real time.

Let me be honest.. This may be similar to what you have seen but let me be ABSOLUTELY HONEST. This is like NOTHING you have ever seen. In my first week of testing I had screams, vomit, tears and absolute devotion to what ever religion I was peddling. Im an honest chap so I explained against that but if you want to amaze, shock, stun and astound your spectators.. THIS IS IT
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 30, 2015 09:07PM)
Godvilla... ONLY one phone or recording device will have an answer on it... so you can have 3, 9 or 12 and only one will have the desired answers...
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Mar 30, 2015 09:21PM)
Thanks for the Speedy, reply ! :-)
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 30, 2015 09:24PM)
I bow to you sir. thank you for the interest...
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Mar 30, 2015 09:28PM)
No need to bow, I'm looking forward to maybe getting this.
I have plans for the use in Bizarre Magick !
Won't be using it for a card reveal ...

Gary
Message: Posted by: MichaelOzMagic (Mar 30, 2015 11:16PM)
Hey Alan!

First this looks awesome! I have a couple ideas for this and a place where this could fit perfectly into my stage routine! One concern of mine is that I am college student paying my way through college with magic. I don't have a lot of extra money so I have to be careful with what I purchase. In your personal opinion do you think this is something that will be outdated within the next couple years as technology changes and evolves. Like 5 years down the road will it still work? Also does this need batteries or any kind of charger? If so how long does the charge last?

Thanks for reading this and look forward to your response!

Sincerely,
Michael Oz
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 30, 2015 11:29PM)
I really doubt it will be out dated ( or not work which I think is ur concern) I the next 5 years. There is nothing to charge.
Message: Posted by: puffinmonkey (Mar 31, 2015 12:50AM)
Hmmmm...... I clicked the purchase button... :D .... Absolutely an impulse buy. After reviewing the trailer and reactions... PRICELESS. I look forward to this Alan!

Cheers,

Alex
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 31, 2015 02:18AM)
Im just waiting for that in stock option. so I can further ensure my ship date. I would hate for it to get here in Qatar and then I have to wait another 3 weeks for someone here to mail it back to me in NJ. And just to get it out of the way are all performing rights given with purchase? Recently now a days that is something that has been popping up with a lot of social media issues.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 31, 2015 10:27AM)
Your buying the trick to perform so of course you can
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 31, 2015 10:56AM)
Thanks Alan, I always thought the same but recently its been a growing issue. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 31, 2015 04:43PM)
Evening all, apologies for the late replies have been going through and reviewing all the recordings and footage from a recent investigation ;) suffice to say 2 EVP's picked up (intelligent responses to questions as well, so definitely communicating with intelligent spirits that night rather than residual) anyway back on track...
In the paranormal field we (as in investigators) refer to more than one EVP caught as Evp's. I know what you are referring to by saying... The plural of phenomenon IS phenomena.
One phenomenon
Two phenomena

There is no word in the English language "phenomenas"
James
you are correct but the jargon or the wording/lingo used when referring to EVP is/are evp's if we have caught more than one - so hope that makes sense a bit.
I love tomsk192 how you can come on here, never have carried out or been part of a real paranormal investigation, and tried to even look to see if such is 'real' or exists yet you are so 100% sure that I'm such a fool to even believe anything otherwise of this, or the paranormal world and what goes on exists :) You my friend are the fool for being so naive in thinking it is not real and does not exist. If you have any doubt do yourself a favour and make enquires into local paranormal investigators and go on an investigation with them. Being a complete sceptic (which I was once) fingers crossed you will experience and witness something that as much as you try and explain logically and scientifically, you will not be able to. More relevant if you capture a real and genuine EVP - ironically. But I was chuckling to myself reading you saying how much of a fool I apparently am for so called believing. The reason I believe is for a reason, and for what I have genuinely witnessed, experienced and gathered as EVIDENCE. Again ironically me being a magician and knowing what I do in this art, made/makes me even more sceptical. So in a way I don't blame you for thinking the way you and others do (non believers) as how could something as 'impossible' be real right? lol exactly. Nevermind - but thanks for making me laugh :)

Magicboy no your right, I wouldnt perform this after/during my normal close up set, but unfortunately a lot of people would and will. No matter how much you try to tell people not to, the reasons why etc they feel and think they know best. Each to their own, but glad to see you are on the same page with when and what to perform this with.

All of this is relevant to what is being released and Alan you really have such an incredible effect. As clever as it is, I again am looking at this from another perspective and comparing this to how this would look if this was real. So what is the difference in what and how this looks to actually investigating, catching and listening to a real EVP - the answer is nothing! Its that exact, and most EVP's come through as a quieter voice exactly like on the vid demo - so you even have that perfect as well. Honestly massive congrats. What makes me more intrigued of the 'gimmick' used is you say it will only be captured on one devise?!?!?! My theory of the voice being played through a small devise at a higher frequency (that we cannot hear) yet the microphone and devise frequency will pick up the voice would mean it would be recorded on all phones recording etc, so now I'm stumped on the working of this as well :) But well done again and wish everyone the best success with this when they get it.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Mar 31, 2015 04:53PM)
Can you post any of your findings Prince?
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 31, 2015 05:06PM)
Hi I see your from Glasgow, I was actually investigating Edinburgh vaults last October. The real history of that place is incredible, unbelievable and quite sad to think what used to take place etc BUT can understand why this place is so active (obv exception of that night) and one of UK's most haunted locations. Unfortunately no real time activity, EVP's or anything on the camera's but plan to go back at the end of the year. I don't want to high jack this thread with any personal info distracting from Alans effect, but PM me if genuinely interested.
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Mar 31, 2015 05:29PM)
Electronic Voice Phenomena (EVP) are sounds found on electronic recordings that are interpreted as spirit voices that have been either unintentionally recorded or intentionally requested and recorded. Parapsychologist Konstantīns Raudive, who popularized the idea in the 1970s

ARH, the ole Raudive voices, I was very interested in Electronic Voice Phenomena in the early 80s and tried to take several tape recording's,i do beleive you could set up a speical radio? to pick them up.Sometimes I thought I may of heard voices and I think because I wanted it to be true then I think that can convince you that what you are hearing is indeed spirit voices.I am still interested and open minded in any spiritual or pychic phenomena to this day,i was an associate for the the society for psychical research ,i studied odic light phenomena?, not sure if that is the right trm,so long ago,crystal ball gazing ,but using a bowel of water ,very interesting light and cloud patterns emerged ,STOP sorry to ramble on. As said I am opened minded but proberly more skeptical then I was when I first was interested and studying parapsychology ,great stuff Prince being an investigator the world would definatly be a dull place with out mystery.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 1, 2015 12:21PM)
Today is the day folks. Enjoy
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 1, 2015 12:27PM)
I saw I saw.. UGH but one other thing tht I want to order with this in still out... UGH!
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 1, 2015 12:33PM)
The description says it can be performed sleeveless, but in the video I can't see an example of a sleeveless performance. Is it harder to do sleeveless than with sleeves? I ordered it from Saturn Magic... Now I'll just have to wait... Really looking forward getting it :).
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 1, 2015 12:39PM)
It's just as easy to do it sleevless
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 1, 2015 02:32PM)
Bring on the reviews!
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Apr 1, 2015 02:39PM)
Yes pls at least 1 review :stircoffee:
Message: Posted by: sbays (Apr 1, 2015 03:47PM)
Can you have a series of "responses" that can be set up? Meaning, I can get several answers to questions in one performance?
Message: Posted by: YesManQ8 (Apr 1, 2015 04:51PM)
@sbays Do you mean: set several answers to a question and during performance you get to choose which one is played?
Message: Posted by: Zuke (Apr 1, 2015 05:24PM)
[quote]On Mar 30, 2015, PRINCE wrote:
Really? I don't get why anyone would want to perform this as a trick? What's the point? [/quote]

Why would anyone watch a horror movie when they know they're only watching actors on a screen? Answer: because it's creepy and people love to get creeped out.

Apart from that, thanks for your posts I have actually laughed out loud at a few of them. I wonder what particular scientific discipline involves the study of EVP? Ummm, that would be none. Science after all is the study of the laws and substance of the natural world, a supernatural phenomena by definition would fall outside of the realm of science, so please stop referring to your mumbo jumbo as science LOL. :) For god's sake, scientists have a hard enough time obtaining funding to study cancer let alone searching for ghost voices. :)

I did also have to wonder....considering you're able to catch intelligible ghost voices answering questions, what are you even doing reading this thread? You don't need it, you've got the real thing. LMAO. You're a classic man, seriously thanks for the laughs. :)

This does look very good, I think barring any hideous reviews I'll definitely pull the trigger on this one.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 1, 2015 07:01PM)
But Zuke, they have "lingo" that can change the rules of grammar. Powerful stuff.
James


[quote]On Apr 1, 2015, Zuke wrote:
[quote]On Mar 30, 2015, PRINCE wrote:
Really? I don't get why anyone would want to perform this as a trick? What's the point? [/quote]

Why would anyone watch a horror movie when they know they're only watching actors on a screen? Answer: because it's creepy and people love to get creeped out.

Apart from that, thanks for your posts I have actually laughed out loud at a few of them. I wonder what particular scientific discipline involves the study of EVP? Ummm, that would be none. Science after all is the study of the laws and substance of the natural world, a supernatural phenomena by definition would fall outside of the realm of science, so please stop referring to your mumbo jumbo as science LOL. :) For god's sake, scientists have a hard enough time obtaining funding to study cancer let alone searching for ghost voices. :)

I did also have to wonder....considering you're able to catch intelligible ghost voices answering questions, what are you even doing reading this thread? You don't need it, you've got the real thing. LMAO. You're a classic man, seriously thanks for the laughs. :)

This does look very good, I think barring any hideous reviews I'll definitely pull the trigger on this one. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Michael Jay (Apr 1, 2015 07:48PM)
I'm going to wait for EVP 2.0

Mike.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Apr 1, 2015 08:34PM)
At least wait for a couple of reviews, Mike. Lol.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Apr 1, 2015 08:59PM)
Does anyone know if this can be done without a confederate? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 1, 2015 09:07PM)
It can be done with or without
Message: Posted by: MediocreMagician (Apr 1, 2015 09:46PM)
I've ordered mine, I don't think the name is such a big deal that can't be concealed with presentation. A very cool effect and I'm looking forward to some of the unique takes people come up with on here. Great work Alan!
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 1, 2015 10:53PM)
[quote]On Apr 1, 2015, MediocreMagician wrote:
A very cool effect and I'm looking forward to some of the unique takes people come up with on here. [/quote]

YES, Me Too!
After, reading some of the posts on this thread ...

"The sponge ball, is in his right hand", EVP's. LOL
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Apr 1, 2015 11:00PM)
I researched EVP a couple of years ago and found the very best evidence (recordings) lacking and too ambiguous to make sense of. If the recordings weren't subtitled or explained, I'd have no idea what words they were claiming to have recorded. It seemed to me to be paradoilia.

That said, this sounds interesting. I'd like to know if it can be performed like the trailer in the accomplice free version?
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 1, 2015 11:03PM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2015, Sean Giles wrote:
I researched EVP a couple of years ago and found the very best evidence (recordings) lacking and too ambiguous to make sense of. If the recordings weren't subtitled or explained, I'd have no idea what words they were claiming to have recorded. It seemed to me to be paradoilia.

[/quote]

Spot on, Sean ! :-)
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 2, 2015 12:39AM)
Order placed. Been a long while since I've ordered anything lagic related with out further review... however the prank video made me feel like it is very much in my type of style. Review to come..
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 2, 2015 01:27AM)
Excellent - some more genius comments. I know it was april fools yesterday and surely people cant be this way inclined with the thoughts on this effect, and other comments.

@Zuke I literally had to ready your post 3 times to see if I was reading it right - laughing all the way so thank you for making me Easter :)the best was you comparing this effect to watching a horror film - genius! I honestly cant believe you even tried to use this as a comparison. Yes they like to watch but at the end and before the film even starts, they know its not REAL or TRUE. The reason you are perfoming this is because you want them to believe it is REAL or TRUE. However you unfortunately fall into the bracket of one of these that will be doing your ambitious card then pull this out. Oh by the way don't forget to say before you perform this that you are a magician and what you are about to see is not real or true just a trick. So it may look good and convincing, but just a trick. If you don't know what I mean its a bit like watching a horror film, everyone in it are actors etc etc - LOL excellent :)

Science is based aorund EVP as scienitists 'try' to come up with an answer on how EVP is possible. that's why the whole theory of well its all in the white noise and just paradoilia as Sean said. that's the only conclusion they can come to. BUT that's not the case unless the EVP is a lower class - excuse the lingo ;) EVP's are ranked by different classes. Where as most investigators only really or should want class A or B anything lower and can depend on then what it is that is being picked up. But as for voices - then class A is what we want (like the examples in the vid etc these are class A)

Clearly you have no idea of what scientists do - as they don't go looking for 'ghost voices' as they don't believe - so why would they (loved that comment). Also and appreciate you havnt got a clue about the paranormal and the way it moves in mysterious ways yet you come on here and talk about it if you know :) but its like fishing sometimes you get a bite and sometimes you don't that's the way it is - why I don't know. Maybe you can tell me :)

@Sean Giles since you looking last year you obliviously are not looking hard enough or the correct places (not that you should have to) but EVP's 9/10 times are recorded with voice recorders. Depending on the recorders and the quality etc, then when replaying the audio you should not hardly be able to listen to any ambient sound in the background. If you have been listening to recording with a lot of background fuzz then no good. There is a lot of crap on youtube but again if interested search some EVPs (who knows you may even come across some of mine) :) but that's where paradoilia comes into it and bad examples are of EVP's supposedly caught. But yes just paradoilia as the odd something noise could be anything and people try to interpret them into EVPs' The best bad example of this was when Derren Brown did his T.V episode investigating with an investigator etc etc the guy (investigator)was a joke and made us investigators a laughing stock by showing some of his 'evidence' lol now that was paradoilia! Very cringe worthy

@Xiqual nice one :)
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 2, 2015 01:32AM)
Sean the trailer is All accomplice free.
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Apr 2, 2015 01:35AM)
You might be a bit more credible if you discussed your subject in an adult manner without resorting to childishness. I looked at the best evidence that researchers like yourself publish and found it severely lacking. Just post your audio of a question being answered by EVP if you're that confident. And don't tell us what it says beforehand.

To me (and science in general) EVP is the same phenomena as reversed speech and Paradoilia is exactly what it is.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 2, 2015 02:21AM)
Yeah I should be the bigger person and respond in a 'normal' manner but when you get people going down the childish route with comments then sometimes you have to join them I guess. My post addressed to you Sean was not a criticism or having a go. All I'm saying there are many many class A EVP's out there but also a lot of crap. Class A you would not need interpretation to what the voice is saying. Even if I posted something my haters will just say I set it up and faked it, so I would never win regardless. Paradolia is not EVP as this means there must be lots of sound (ambient, electrical etc) in the background of the recording then you just interpret these sounds to try and create a voice or words.

If someone did Alan's effect on you, you played it and the recording on the phone was very quiet after you asked the question, (ambient sound) then the EVP came through as clear and loud as the voice is, would you say this was paradolia?
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Apr 2, 2015 03:33AM)
Alan just received this,do I have to have a Mac to get the files on my iPhone ???? Coz I ain't got one I don't even have a computer just a ipad
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 2, 2015 03:35AM)
PRINCE,
Scientists don't disbelieve. They don't care. They analyse data and try to reproduce phenomena under lab conditions.
There is no science to EVP except that it's a phenomena that cannot be explained. It "seems" that paredolia is the explanation, but who knows? I don't know if its ghosts or paredolia.
i don't believe in ghosts personally, but I cannot say they don't exist. I have no idea actually. You cannot say, however, there is a science to EVP. It has nothing scientific about it. Except the levels its recoded at, the equipment it uses and so forth. The sounds that are recorded are outside the realm of science, therefore psuedoscience. that's ok though, psychology is also a psuedoscience. That does not prove or disprove that EVP are ghosts.
James

[quote]On Apr 2, 2015, PRINCE wrote:


Science is based aorund EVP as scienitists 'try' to come up with an answer on how EVP is possible. that's why the whole theory of well its all in the white noise and just paradoilia as Sean said. that's the only conclusion they can come to. BUT that's not the case unless the EVP is a lower class - excuse the lingo ;) EVP's are ranked by different classes. Where as most investigators only really or should want class A or B anything lower and can depend on then what it is that is being picked up. But as for voices - then class A is what we want (like the examples in the vid etc these are class A)

Clearly you have no idea of what scientists do - as they don't go looking for 'ghost voices' as they don't believe - so why would they (loved that comment). Also and appreciate you havnt got a clue about the paranormal and the way it moves in mysterious ways yet you come on here and talk about it if you know :) but its like fishing sometimes you get a bite and sometimes you don't that's the way it is - why I don't know. Maybe you can tell me :)


@Xiqual nice one :) [/quote]
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 2, 2015 03:37AM)
Mac? Alan brother might have to pm those who have pre-ordered if this will be an issue. I ordered last night and I have a windows laptop but no mac and and Samsung note 4.
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Apr 2, 2015 04:12AM)
It does give you to the option to use a windows pc if you have android
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 2, 2015 04:30AM)
You can use windows just fine. It's the exact same way you would add music to ur phone.
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Apr 2, 2015 04:34AM)
Hi Alan

Thanks for your reply. What about if I don't own a pc which I don't and I don't have easy access to one is this going to make it difficult for me. I have a iPhone and iPad only
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 2, 2015 04:40AM)
I'm considerig getting this soon, I too have only an iPad and iphone
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 2, 2015 04:40AM)
Let me Arrange a download for you then
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 2, 2015 04:48AM)
Thanks Alan , do you have to be really tech savvy to be able to use it?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 2, 2015 04:55AM)
Not at all sir. It super easy
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 2, 2015 05:49AM)
Alan, appreciate the quick response. Thread was starting to stray from the topic a bit. either way mine hopefully ships today and gets to me in a week or so(DEPLOYED) will post my thoughts once it arrives.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Apr 2, 2015 06:39AM)
Ready to hit the buy button but still not convinced I will be able to choose which answer to play at the time I choose.
Example, if I have 5 responses recorded, will I be able to play back in 1,2,3,4,5 order then immediately after play back in 3,2,5,1,4 order?

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Apr 2, 2015 06:48AM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Sean the trailer is All accomplice free. [/quote]

Thanks for the answer mate. Sounds like a winner.
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Apr 2, 2015 07:03AM)
I received my unit today and I must say the packaging and the equipment is first class....the only downside for me is I do not own a computer I only have a iPhone and iPad so setting this up and customising it is going to be extremely difficult, Alan did mention he can arrange a download which is great but without access to a pic I'm not going to have the freedom to customise this for different performances, also I'm not too keen on having to wear a hook up whenever you want to use this, I was under the impression this was something you could just keep in your pocket and use at a moments notice...theoretically it is but you need to wear a hook up to enable you to perform it. So you need to know when your going to be performing it. Also I purchased this to use in my place of work,I am a caretaker in a 400 year old mansion which has many ghost stories attached to it so for me this was a must buy but unfortunately I don't think it's going to work for me because the places I wianted to use this are going to be totally silent so the chances of being found out are really high I think you need some background noise to cover the move...for me if this envolved no hook up and you did not have to have a pc this would be a killer effect.....I shall be returning mine to the dealer I purchased from but only because I'm not going to have the ability to customise it the way I want...if you own a pc or Mac and you don't mind wearing a hook up to perform then in the right place this will fry your spectators. This is a great piece of kit Alan it's just ashame there was no mention of owning a pc or Mac in the advertisements.....these are just my honest thoughts if I'm incorrect then please feel free to correct me.
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Apr 2, 2015 07:26AM)
Is this hookup really necessary?
Why do you talk about noise ?
:stircoffee:
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 2, 2015 07:31AM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2015, markhitton wrote:
Is this hookup really necessary?
Why do you talk about noise ?
:stircoffee: [/quote]
I haven't got mine yet, but I guess there has to be a place where the "ghost voice" is coming from. If the surrounding is totally silent, there would be a chance someone hear the voice while recording, and not only when listening to the recording. I think you'll need at least some background noise for this to be fool proof?
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 2, 2015 07:36AM)
Back on certain points in a bit, but the noise issue because of the overlap when the 'evp' gets recorded over the natural ambient noise in your environment
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Apr 2, 2015 07:38AM)
Yes unfortunately the hook up is nessesery and if you use this in a silent environment the chances of being Sussex out are pretty high this is even admitted in the explanation by the way there was no DVDs with mine the ad said gimmick and dvd but I never got a DVD just a code to log on to watch the instructions ect,which I must say are top notch everything about the instructions are very professional
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Apr 2, 2015 07:44AM)
Back to the noise issue,obviously I cant divulge too much but it's not just the recorded voice that will be noticed in a really quiet environment.
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Apr 2, 2015 07:49AM)
I'm so gutted because this was going to be my reputation maker...the design and quality of the gimmick is probably the best I have seen for a long time,your not just getting a arts and craft project you are getting professional equipment it's just a pity I'm not going to be able to customise it how I want or use it in the place I want.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Apr 2, 2015 08:03AM)
What does "hookup" mean? What is hooked up to what? Hooked up to the phone? I was just about to order this morning but now I have stepped back. Please clarify and PM me if you have to.

As for Prince, he is clearly an attention hoar (intentionally misspelled) and continually tries to drive the discussion for his own needs. Enough already. No one cares. We are not ghost hunting here. FFS.
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Apr 2, 2015 08:19AM)
Jaizon I agree with you I am with the finger on paypal button pls prince talk about the gimmick !
I want to buy but this hookup make me remember ultracinese groove.
Then the noise issue .do I need a cover for the sound ?
I thought to do the effect with the gimmick inside my pocket but these 2 points must be explained better :stircoffee:
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 2, 2015 08:39AM)
Jaizen haha love it 👍 if you bother to read the thread and take an interest, you will see I am consious of not wanting to flood this thread with person info - as I pointed out a few posts back. As for mis spelling that's the result of quick typing on your phone (but let's not get childish and nit picking on spelling etc) I don't need the attention far from it - just continuing to make very valid points regarding the performance of this and the link between this and what this is based around to try and replicate what an actual EVP is and would sound like.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 2, 2015 08:42AM)
P.s if no one cares then don't keep coming back with challenging replies looking for the confrontation to be corrected.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 2, 2015 08:46AM)
Well I don't mind a hook up too much as long as it's comfortable and can be worn for a long period of time. In any type of attire
Message: Posted by: YesManQ8 (Apr 2, 2015 12:26PM)
Does the ghost sound actually come from the spectators phone? Also can someone explain more about the "hookup" that needs to be worn and the noise issue people are talking about?
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 2, 2015 12:45PM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2015, YesManQ8 wrote:
Does the ghost sound actually come from the spectators phone? Also can someone explain more about the "hookup" that needs to be worn and the noise issue people are talking about? [/quote]
I think the voice comes from the gimmick, but probably at very low volume so spectators won't hear it. But the phone will, if held close enough the gimmick. Just guessing here, but that's the only explanation I have.
Message: Posted by: nattefrost (Apr 2, 2015 01:20PM)
Oh wow. This is going to be perfect for me. I am already into the paranormal as it is, and everybody I know is aware of what "EVP's" are, AND have smart phones. I almost don't want anybody to look at this as a "magic effect", but I want them to look at Iit as something "paranormal" is actually happening. My son and I recently posted a video on Facebook in where we did an "investigation" in our home at night. As we went along the house, I asked questions like "if anyone is here make your presence known", and with my own voice, would whisper "get out", and a few other "responses". I did this as a joke thinking no one would fall for this, and half of the people who watched it thought it was real. My friend who actually lived in this house before me said "wow, you're having strange things happen too? Weird stuff happened when I lived there!!!" Now I'm thinking he better be kidding! !! Anyway, if people fell for that, this is going to be INCREDIBLE!....I can not wait until I get this.
Message: Posted by: nattefrost (Apr 2, 2015 01:33PM)
This may have been asked already and apologize if it has but is the gimmick similar to the "Ringtone" gimmick by (I could be off here) Adam Grace?
Message: Posted by: AutarchicFlux (Apr 2, 2015 01:54PM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2015, nattefrost wrote:
Oh wow. This is going to be perfect for me. I am already into the paranormal as it is, and everybody I know is aware of what "EVP's" are, AND have smart phones. I almost don't want anybody to look at this as a "magic effect", but I want them to look at Iit as something "paranormal" is actually happening.[/quote]

And a conning, "ghost hunting" charlatan is born. Natte, if you don't eventually tell your "spectators" that this is a trick, they become your victims. Intentionally lying to people about how the universe works like this is deeply unethical. I'll be hoping you find your moral compass, or else people figure out, expose, and humiliate you.
Message: Posted by: nattefrost (Apr 2, 2015 02:01PM)
AutarchicFlux- these people are all my close friends and family, and they will know I had something to do with it. Being "deeply unethical how the universe works" is going a tad bit too far. That's hilarious.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 2, 2015 02:28PM)
Anyone else has something to say about the product that might have gotten it already? Mine shipped today so eagerly waiting.
Message: Posted by: ManchurianMan83 (Apr 2, 2015 02:29PM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2015, nattefrost wrote:
AutarchicFlux- these people are all my close friends and family, and they will know I had something to do with it. Being "deeply unethical how the universe works" is going a tad bit too far. That's hilarious. [/quote]


Besides, what's wrong with adding a bit of mystery back into the world?

As long as you're not charging people money for it so they can 'speak to dead relatives' and you're not actually hurting anyone and it's all for entertainment who cares if it's 'claimed to be the spirit world'....

It's ALL a con at the end of the day so there's no true moral high ground to take here.
claiming the voices on the phone are ghosts is no more unethical as claiming the two of clubs vanished or changed into a different card.
You're still conning them into believing one truth you want them to believe while simultaneously executing another behind the scenes.

They can go away and make their own minds up as to whether the card 'really' vanished or if the voices were 'really ghosts' and come to their own personal conclusions.
Why spell it out for them?
'BTW, this is a trick!'
That's silly!

Ethics comes into play when you start 'scamming' them ie charging them money to make them believe they are now communicating with lost family members.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Apr 2, 2015 02:33PM)
Communicating with lost family members over an iPhone? They deserve to be scammed if they believe that. :rotf:
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 2, 2015 02:37PM)
I have a scary carmen story that I hops I can use with this and if not I'll follow scream by Jamie dawn with this..
Message: Posted by: ManchurianMan83 (Apr 2, 2015 02:40PM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2015, pegasus wrote:
Communicating with lost family members over an iPhone? They deserve to be scammed if they believe that. :rotf: [/quote]

lol true!
Although, That wasn't really what I was saying though!

I was simply making my opinion that 'ghost' claims aren't themselves 'unethical' it's how you treat your spectator in regards to the 'spirit world'.
The moment you cross personal boundaries, [b]especially[/b] if money is exchanged then I'd agree an ethics issue.
Otherwise it's harmless entertainment.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Apr 2, 2015 02:54PM)
I guess we'll just have to wait for Alan to clear up the remaining issues/questions.
Message: Posted by: nattefrost (Apr 2, 2015 03:38PM)
Paisa-23- Sorry I got a little off-topic before- just ordered it now, I can't wait to get this and like you asked before- I would also like to hear what people who may already have this thinks. From the way it looks there's so much you could do with this- how about forcing a card (or cards) and have someone "from the other side" reveal the card or cards? Or, can you time the evp to "speak" at the exact moment you want? You could count to 10 and leave a number out (lets say you leave out #7), and you could count slowly "1...2....3...4...5....6....(pause here and say nothing for a second or two), then continue.......8....9...10. Then when you play it back, the voice or spirit, ghost or whoever says "7" right on cue between the 6 and the 8. Could something like that be done?
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 2, 2015 03:41PM)
I like the thought of card reveal. But only if it comes from a spirit that was behind the spec and saw the card when they looked at it..
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 2, 2015 03:45PM)
This thread just keeps getting better ! LOL

Now, It sounds like you need a little cover nose, when device is activated ...
Because, it "Talks" too ?
When device is activated, could that sound also be recorded to participants phone with the EVP ?

I would want to trigger this, when in silence(as much as possible) while I ask the questions !

@ Alan, I do like the concept !

@ Prince , I do understand the points you have been trying to make. But, still do not agree with the use EVP's. :-)
I would play this as Paranormal, and not as a trick ! IMHO
But, again this is a Magic Forum.

I could see in a very dark seance setting, a EVP is recorded,one of the participants would also feel a touch of sorts afterwards.
If, the activating does not make device "Talk".

Need to hear more reviews on this, issue !
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Apr 2, 2015 04:46PM)
Are there others reviews?
The noise issue seems too strange.
I suppose alan did a lot of testing with this device also in silent rooms.
Because silent places are the right one for doing an evp experiment.
If with these conditions are not allowed I see a big issue trying to cover the noise .
Perhaps it can be a misunderstanding in the correct use of the device?
Pls alan try to mKe clear these points
Mark :stircoffee:
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 2, 2015 05:02PM)
What remains need my issues do I neeec to clear up? .. For the people who do not have PCs or macs I'm in the middle of unaffected my a full sounder library you can download directly. Always eager to help. There are no real noise issues. We go over noise and evirmont on the explanation... For people who have no pc I'm also looking into making a phone app that will do the job for you
Message: Posted by: gtesoro (Apr 2, 2015 05:24PM)
Hey Guys!

George Here from Murphys Magic. We've heard your concerns about people not owning PC or Mac systems. Rest assured, EVP can be performed without owning a PC or a Mac computer - a smartphone, however is still required as the ad copy points out. There really are dozens of ways to achieve this, and we have some simple solutions for those that fit into this category, no additional purchases necessary. We will be updating the instructional videos to include this walkthrough over the next few days. Thanks all for your patience.

We had an amazing time filming the trailer for this one. Alan really did come up with something killer here.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Apr 2, 2015 06:43PM)
The gimmick/hookup questions need to be answered - unless I missed it.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 2, 2015 07:17PM)
Abe Lincoln used Apple products for sure.
James

[quote]On Apr 2, 2015, pegasus wrote:
Communicating with lost family members over an iPhone? They deserve to be scammed if they believe that. :rotf: [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Casey Sparrow (Apr 2, 2015 07:36PM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2015, nattefrost wrote:
This may have been asked already and apologize if it has but is the gimmick similar to the "Ringtone" gimmick by (I could be off here) Adam Grace? [/quote]

I hope not!!

CS
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 2, 2015 11:50PM)
Ima y hook up questions have been answered in the thread I'm sure but just to clear things up. There a a small comfertable hook up that dosnt requires sleeves. I do need a shirt though. No it's not ringtone by Adam grace.
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Apr 3, 2015 02:17AM)
Alan thanks for you reply.you guarantee there is no audible low voice from the device.
I can do it in a silent room without any fear of covering .
Is this right? :stircoffee:
Message: Posted by: GordonTheHypnotist (Apr 3, 2015 02:57AM)
I don't have this particular EVP device but I do know about electronics and I can assure you there are ways for inaudible frequencies that can be picked up by recording devices and then converted into actual sounds. The only thing that a spectator would hear would be ambient noise which is present in even the most silent rooms. Fans, vents, wind, background conversation and many other things can be considered ambient noise.

There have been seances performed for many years where the guests bring recording devices such as cassette recorders and the ghostly audio is never heard until the cassettes are played back. What Alan has created is a modern day method to achieve this effect on a spectators cell phone. And I think it is a fantastic idea.
Message: Posted by: Casey Sparrow (Apr 3, 2015 03:13AM)
Cant wait to get my hands on this!

CS
Message: Posted by: MediocreMagician (Apr 3, 2015 03:16AM)
It's great that you bring up seance recordings and it's something well worth keeping in mind. The timed misdirection in asking a number of questions, perhaps choosing to only answer a few and playing the recording back once everything is done would work well in helping to conceal the method. A few early misses might even enhance things by lowering their guard and expectations before hitting them with the knock out blow. I'll have to go back and watch a few horror classics for some ideas but the lines in the trailer like telling them to leave now or trying to contact the owner of the phone are chilling. Look forward to hearing some more from those who have it already and have been able to test it out in different situations.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 3, 2015 05:39AM)
Once set correctly there is no audible noise in the room. Others wise we would have a terrible trick lol
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 3, 2015 06:34AM)
Thanks for clearing some things up buddy.
Message: Posted by: David Klass (Apr 3, 2015 06:51AM)
This allows you to "harvest voices from the other side".

And what do people ask?

Can they use it to predict a playing card ??
Lol!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Apr 3, 2015 06:57AM)
Thanks alan for your honest explanation :stircoffee:
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 3, 2015 06:58AM)
Ah yeah. Casper was friendly..
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 3, 2015 09:54AM)
I noticed in a previous post by AceFace who had received this effect that he was returning it for he felt it wasn't usable in a quiet place and Alan you said there was no noise,could you please clear this up
Cheers Tim
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 3, 2015 09:58AM)
I've used this in absolutely silent rooms. You do need to adjusts volume depending on where you are and it is easy to adjust it for a silent room
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (Apr 3, 2015 10:00AM)
If I understand things correctly, the gimmick is set up initially and any subsequent changes are made with a program for a PC, Mac or in the near future for a smart phone- yes?
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 3, 2015 10:02AM)
Thanks for the reply Alan,4 minutes what kept you lol
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 3, 2015 10:21AM)
You set the gimmick to your own preference when you get it but we have a base routine ready in the tutorial section which will be up soon. I'm also nearly finished makng a small app to help other people out
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 3, 2015 10:25AM)
Well I know mine it's taking its time getting to my deployed location so if you do manage to offer a digital anything to download to anyone that can provide proof of purchase that would be great. I have good hopes for this effect. I plan to use it just as advertised in the demo so that plus the prank vid I saw I think it's a worker for me.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 3, 2015 10:30AM)
[quote]On Apr 3, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
You set the gimmick to your own preference when you get it but we have a base routine ready in the tutorial section which will be up soon. I'm also nearly finished makng a small app to help other people out [/quote]
That's nice! I haven't got mine yet so I'm not sure what the gimmick is and what it does. But it would be cool if your app allowed some standard voices with an option to add your own. Also some programmable presets, say 4-5 presets that are triggered by knocking your phone while in the pocket. 1 knock plays the first preset, 2 knocka the second and so on. Don't know if it's needed, just an idea while waiting for mine to arrive. :)
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Apr 3, 2015 11:12AM)
Hi guys and gals
those of you that purchase this are not going to be unhappy,you are getting a really well made gimmick with professional equipment.it just was not right for me. I wanted and thought is was going to be an effect I could just take with me wherever I went and use at a moments notice....you can do all these things but you need to be set up in order to do this,I'm sure a majority of you won't mind being hooked up whenever you want to do this for me this is not the type of effect you can just do on the fly there are things you need to consider,like Alan said you can adjust the noise level for different situations but I'm not sure how you do this with your spectators standing with you this is why you need to plan when your going to use this so you can make the nessesery adjustments for each situations. I think the fact that Alan is offering a download of all his recorded voices ect is great because I can't be the only person out there without a Mac or pc so I have to give him a big thumbs up for taking all these things onboard 👍,that is proper customer service. I would still want complete control and the ability to choose exactly what I want to appear on my spectators phone hopefully Alan will offer a solution for this so you guys who don't have access to a Mac or pc will be able to use this gem to is full potential. You people that purchase and put this to proper use are going to completely baffle and confuse your spectators and in some cases scare the living day lights out of them. Alan I hope you think I'm being fair with my opinions.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 3, 2015 11:18AM)
No worrys. 8 tend to just hook it I to my jacket. Takes seconds and I'm ready to all night. Adjusting audio takes only a second or two when you walk I to a room too. We do go over how to do that on the instructional .
Message: Posted by: roblane (Apr 3, 2015 11:49AM)
Ten pages in, demo watched thrice, paypal button pushed. Can't wait!
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Apr 3, 2015 12:35PM)
Thanks, Alan. I'm gonna give it a try.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 3, 2015 04:54PM)
On the fence !
Waiting for more customer reviews ...
Not, on card reveals tho ! lol

~G
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 4, 2015 11:31AM)
Please no card reveals... U can but its not the strongest thing to do lol
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (Apr 4, 2015 01:03PM)
Except maybe a tarot card. ;)
Message: Posted by: cupsandballsmagic (Apr 4, 2015 01:20PM)
[quote]On Apr 4, 2015, Tom Cutts wrote:
Except maybe a tarot card. ;) [/quote]

Though the death card might result a premature ending to the trick!
Message: Posted by: Sashac (Apr 4, 2015 05:00PM)
I've had the chance to watch the instructions and quickly play with the gimmick (it's a friends, so I won't comment on that). All I can say is that the method itself is similar to what I thought and although the moment you receive it you might initially think this could be convuluted, Chris goes through the instructions well and you realise it would only take around 20 seconds to put in place and then there pretty much is no reset!

There are some changes you might have to do depending on the conditions but those are incredibly easy to do. In the performance, the guy actually "exposes" the method slightly but it's fun to see how they handle it and how the girls talk themselves out of the general range of it. Anyways, without commenting too much on reactions/how great the gimmick is, I can confidently say that I think most (95 %) of people who purchase this will use it incredibly often. It's a worker and I am definitely purchasing one tonight!
Message: Posted by: 13 (Apr 5, 2015 11:26AM)
[quote]On Mar 28, 2015, kevin carmean wrote:
I love this but my biggest problem is the name? BIG MISTAKE!! You should have called it anything else but not EVP or anything to do with EVP in the title. When people talk about this after your performance(which they will no doubt), anyone who is familiar with EVP's will do a quick search on their phone "EVP trick" and find out instantly that it's not only is a trick but they can buy it for themselves!! This great effect has been shot down even before its release. [/quote]

AGREE ... Bad name
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 5, 2015 11:29AM)
I do not want people using this as anything but a trick so let's say the name serves a purpose
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 5, 2015 11:32AM)
[quote]On Apr 5, 2015, 13 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 28, 2015, kevin carmean wrote:
I love this but my biggest problem is the name? BIG MISTAKE!! You should have called it anything else but not EVP or anything to do with EVP in the title. When people talk about this after your performance(which they will no doubt), anyone who is familiar with EVP's will do a quick search on their phone "EVP trick" and find out instantly that it's not only is a trick but they can buy it for themselves!! This great effect has been shot down even before its release. [/quote]

AGREE ... Bad name [/quote]
Why is it a bad name? If you're afraid of being exposed by googlers you can always refer to it as something else while performing - "ghost voices", "spirit voices", "voices from the other side", "voices from another dimension" or whatever you like.
Message: Posted by: 13 (Apr 5, 2015 11:39AM)
[quote]On Mar 30, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
I should have just called it "ghosty" would have avoided most clarifications. Lol [/quote]

AGREE
Message: Posted by: geggy (Apr 5, 2015 05:11PM)
I really don't understand why the name of a trick is a problem, as others and myself have said you don't have to say EVP. if you feel uncomfortable saying that. If I show someone a card trick..say Chaos 2. I don't start by saying . .'let me show you Chaos 2 by Alakazam and Peter Nardi, I could if I chose to but it would be dumb...same as any trick. If Alan had called this 'Ghosty' you also wouldn't start by saying let me show you Ghosty. . . .so whatever this is called is totally irrelevant.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 5, 2015 05:40PM)
It's not irrelevant because what you are doing is conducting a 'real' paranormal experiment (in their eyes) - not performing a trick in the hope of catching a voice from the other side. If you want to make this believable - which you should want if you care, then anything outside a 'magic trick' which your portraying this to be, has to be logical and in relation to to what already exists, that people can relate to e.g by reading someone's mind you accomplished it via different psychological techniques etc (this is more believable than you saying you have the power and gift to read someone's mind - because people already can relate to psycology. so because the basis of what you are doing is already out there, then people will associate this and what you are doing as a real experiment of calling out in the hope of catching an EVP - because that's what this is, an EVP experiment - investigating the paranormal - which is what paranormal investigators do.

In my personal opinion and yes it does matter and count, is to sell this and make this believable you HAVE to explain what an EVP is, why it is used in paranormal investigating and the 'evidence' on spirit voices are on a different frequency being picked up etc - that's why you can't hear them real time when calling out.

But failing that just perform this after you card to wallet it will be fine - lol
Haters, let's go...
Message: Posted by: geggy (Apr 5, 2015 05:56PM)
[quote]On Apr 5, 2015, PRINCE wrote:
It's not irrelevant because what you are doing is conducting a 'real' paranormal experiment (in their eyes) - not performing a trick in the hope of catching a voice from the other side. If you want to make this believable - which you should want if you care, then anything outside a 'magic trick' which your portraying this to be, has to be logical and in relation to to what already exists, that people can relate to e.g by reading someone's mind you accomplished it via different psychological techniques etc (this is more believable than you saying you have the power and gift to read someone's mind - because people already can relate to psycology. so because the basis of what you are doing is already out there, then people will associate this and what you are doing as a real experiment of calling out in the hope of catching an EVP - because that's what this is, an EVP experiment - investigating the paranormal - which is what paranormal investigators do.

In my personal opinion and yes it does matter and count, is to sell this and make this believable you HAVE to explain what an EVP is, why it is used in paranormal investigating and the 'evidence' on spirit voices are on a different frequency being picked up etc - that's why you can't hear them real time when calling out.

But failing that just perform this after you card to wallet it will be fine - lol
Haters, let's go... [/quote]

And there endeth the lesson.. not sure what that lecture was for. .
If this was called. . Ghosty.. . Say.
Then you would be happier to explain the E.V.P theory as your introduction. . People would still be able to type in. EVP smart phone trick and find it on google if they chose. . That is what some people are concerned about. .
But thanks for your enlightening instructions on how this effect should be performed. . .
Message: Posted by: jcss (Apr 5, 2015 08:23PM)
My sincere congratulations to Jason Brumbalow and Alan Morrison.
By the way ... To speak of ethics is one to ...
Again, my sincere Congratulations, You are great ...
Regards.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 5, 2015 09:27PM)
If this is to be done only as a trick, I'm sure there will be no one upset if this is revealed by Val Valentino ( Masked Magician ) on television.
Or, method and gimmick revealed on you-tube !

So much for " Suspension of disbelief " ... LOL
Message: Posted by: bartleby (Apr 5, 2015 09:42PM)
Would love to hear some more reviews from those of you who have tried it.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 6, 2015 01:20AM)
Yep agree with Godzilla and perhaps just keep it as a trick - this is going to go down a killer follow up trick after the haunted deck 👍 also even when the obvious is there it still needs to be pointed out. It shouldn't need to, but unfortunately does. No worries guys, magicians helping magicians 👍
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 6, 2015 01:36AM)
Also, I've thought of a really nice routine for this and don't mind sharing this. You do your sponge ball routine and make them all disappear at the end, you explain that you have a ghost that made them all disappear. His name is Casper, but don't be scared because he's a friendly ghost. He comes and goes and he loves the ball trick, shall we see if he's still here with us...
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 6, 2015 03:25AM)
Google EVP and you get nothing but information about EVP. No tricks by alan Rorrison. Just don't say "I'd like to show you a trick called EVP produced by Murphy's magic"
and you'll be fine.
James
Message: Posted by: professorwho (Apr 6, 2015 05:02AM)
[quote]On Apr 6, 2015, PRINCE wrote:
Also, I've thought of a really nice routine for this and don't mind sharing this. You do your sponge ball routine and make them all disappear at the end, you explain that you have a ghost that made them all disappear. His name is Casper, but don't be scared because he's a friendly ghost. He comes and goes and he loves the ball trick, shall we see if he's still here with us... [/quote]
Sounds great, I'll try that.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 6, 2015 05:40AM)
It's called evp.. Get over it.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Apr 6, 2015 06:47AM)
Ordered from Saturn Magic this morning.
Look forward to getting it this week.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 6, 2015 07:08AM)
LOLOL this site kills me to bits sometimes.. [b]THE BIG ISSUE IS THE NAME?[/b] As in when you perform this effect for laymen you are forced to tell them that you purchased an effect called "EVP" lol too much. Anyway on another note. Still waiting on mine so I'm just eager when I ask. Can additional noise be added to the reveal? Like a faint static or something like that? I watching Poltergeist this weekend and was paying attention to how the tv would call carlo-anne's name and thought it would be cool if you could add that little extra sound.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 6, 2015 07:20AM)
Any sound you like can be added
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 6, 2015 07:59AM)
So just for the record - typing evp phone trick in google... This came up - 1st page, 1st result - just saying incase of any confusion. Of course you won't be believing me so give it a try
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 6, 2015 08:15AM)
Yeah you can add additional sound but in my expertise in this field (oops - sorry for talking about this from personal advise as it's only in relation to try and mirror what an actual evp is that I have been experimenting, capturing and conducting for years, yet who am I to talk about what an evp is and how it looks and sounds - because the trick is called evp. Why, because that's what you are trying to capture) I wouldn't add static because when an evp is caught there is no static. The only other electronic sounds caught would be interference from mobile phone signal and from possible EMF devices but very rare. Add etc anything you all want, BUT if you want to try and keep as real as it can possibly look (which you should want to), then just stick to the voice.
Message: Posted by: 13 (Apr 6, 2015 08:52AM)
[quote]On Apr 6, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
It's called evp.. Get over it. [/quote]

It shouldn't have been called EVP ... Get over it.
Message: Posted by: maxignites (Apr 6, 2015 10:10AM)
Hi Allan, I'm really really interested on your product there...however, I got one pre sale question. Is the recording including the ghost voice you can give it as souvenir? which when they playback, they would able to RE-hear the ghost voice? If yes, that'd be FANTASTIC!!

Secondly, as far as I can guess, the gimmick involve something electronic ? (please Correct me if I'm wrong), so now the issue. how is the endurance of the gimmick? will the survive long enough (I mean like a year or so, and should we replace the battery regulary)

Ah I'm so sorry If my english gone bad :(
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 6, 2015 10:55AM)
[quote]On Apr 6, 2015, 13 wrote:
[quote]On Apr 6, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
It's called evp.. Get over it. [/quote]

It shouldn't have been called EVP ... Get over it. [/quote]

Yep !

Alan, I think you have released a great product here ! :-)
I just hate to see how others may want to take what could be a "WONDERFUL Effect" ... and, turn it into a "Trick".
(just, fom others posts)
Yes, it is in performance and you do not need to say EVP.


I'm waiting for a post, from a Clown ...
Can, I use honk noises ?
That would be so cool, I could ask if my departed Uncle Crusty is here with us ?
There could be a Honk,Honk EVP.
Then, I can reply " I know the sound of my Uncle's nose, anywhere! "

Again Alan, did I say "I think you have released a great product here !" :-)
Message: Posted by: 13 (Apr 6, 2015 11:03AM)
[quote]On Apr 6, 2015, Godzilla wrote:

Can, I use honk noises ?
That would be so cool, I could ask if my departed Uncle Crusty is here with us ?
There could be a Honk,Honk EVP.
Then, I can reply " I know the sound of my Uncle's nose, anywhere![/quote]

HAHAHA ... So Funny. I LOVE THIS IDEA :)
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 6, 2015 02:20PM)
To answer the questions. Yes the noises are always on the recording, they keep it. No there are not batteries in the unit to change and treated right it will last a life time.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 6, 2015 02:22PM)
The do all and end all is that it's called evp. It's a harsh day when the name is the factor.

As I said befor, I csn goigle any brief discriotion for any trick and fine out where to buy it.. If that's ur concern, you going magic incorrectly
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 6, 2015 02:37PM)
Geez, still not sinking in!!!!!! Yes because you have performed a trick as a magician so doesn't really matter if they find it because they knew it was a trick all along - how would you feel WHEN they find this (because they will) then realise all that bull and build up claiming this to be real - is just a trick - that's the difference!!!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 6, 2015 02:43PM)
You can't read can Ya, I've said I use this as a trick. I don't lie to people and tell them evp is real
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (Apr 6, 2015 03:06PM)
Dear Mr. PRINCE, please have no more fear
You've made your opinion quite clear
So whether trick or some schtick
Stop laying it on thick
More reviews is what we'd revere
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 6, 2015 03:15PM)
Wha????????? So you would present this as a trick!? What's the point? Now I really am intrigued 😧
Message: Posted by: magicgerry06 (Apr 6, 2015 03:47PM)
It's not a "trick", it's real. Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritism
A.K

PS: It's not me who posted this reply (-:
Message: Posted by: YesManQ8 (Apr 6, 2015 03:57PM)
@Prince I think magic is meant for entertaining people and presenting to them an enjoyable performance not lie to them and deceive them. Why would you do that? it's unethical.
For example when magicians do the nail into hand trick, every sane person knows it's a trick but the amazing factor is that they don't know how he did it which makes the experience enjoyable and fun.
Message: Posted by: MichalMystic (Apr 6, 2015 04:09PM)
Ok this so silly. In all the years Ive done magic Ive never had anyone come up to me oh I googled that trick you did to me....come one now...
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 6, 2015 04:35PM)
And still... This keeps getting better and better - the reason people don't google TRICKS is because they don't need to - because there is no curiosity if it was a trick or real - they already know it's a trick HOWEVER by presenting this to them not presenting it as a TRICK (which is not what this was invented for, it was invented to present something 'apparently' real - just watch the trailers lol. Soooo people are now on the fence thinking is this a trick or is this perhaps real (because EVP's already are known and used as a real technique when paranormal investigating) so the realism IS already there - and this is the hook to making this half way there to believable. All you need to do is produce the evidence, and the evidence is an impossible evp you have caught on their phone! So even as good as this would look you WILL get the curious/more so sceptical spectators discuss it after (which they will when they keep replaying it, and playing it for other people etc etc. There is a very strong possibility that someone will say "yeah but you think it could be a trick of some kind?" So the curiosity and discussion will lead to searching and researching on more info of what EVP's are (if real according to them) and by just typing evp phone trick - 1st page, 1st result. Mystery solved 👍
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 6, 2015 04:48PM)
Again.. If I google any trick description I can find it on google! Are you hurt hurt as you wanted to lie to people with this and make them think that you really can talk to none Exscistant ghosts and this will himber you in your eyes?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 6, 2015 05:10PM)
I think what is trying to be said is this...

EVP is a "real" thing, as in, there are people out there who genuinely believe it is an absolutely real thing...

if you perform this, regardless of whether you do tricks, magic, or whatever else - those devout believers will probably dismiss your explanation of "well, I'm a trick..i'm a magician...follow the logical conclusion" - as cover...

and they will continue to believe in EVP on their own terms and version of reality...

i think though, our duty of care ends at "i am here as the entertainment" - and anything else is up to the individual...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21922834

and I think the secondary concern was that people will think of it as a trick if you associate your trick with a well known term/phrase such as EVP...for some purchasers that's a positive, for others, a negative...
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 6, 2015 05:15PM)
I get that mate. All good ethical points I took on board while naming this. Im just tryingb to figure it why he's so annoyed
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 6, 2015 05:27PM)
I honestly love the way this is and going, I'm not annoyed about anything just so amused about the way this has gone and the whole concept about what is put out to the way it will get performed. Please don't tell me you or anyone would play this as a trick? So that at the end your spec realise it's a trick. The whole purpose of you inventing this is for people to be freaked out to think it is real that they have caught a 'real' evp - that's the whole point of this effect. If you want to play it as a trick just come out and do a really cool effect by not talking yet it catches your voice on a recorder. That would be quite an impressive trick - then let them try and work out how you did it.

Or you present it initially as you intended it to be presented and conduct a real time evp experiment in hoping to catch a spirits voice on there recorder - providing evidence or paranormal - because this is the effect you want and are hoping for - not performing a magic trick.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 6, 2015 05:33PM)
Oh so you think this gimmick can only do evp style effects.. Makes sense now. Just to confirm. I ALWAYS say it is just a trick. I always have
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 6, 2015 05:37PM)
And it doesn't have to be EVP...as soon as I saw it, I thought it would much more fun to say "hey...psst...guess what? I never did grow out of having an invisible friend as a kid...he's still here...he helps me out..."

then its a stupid running joke that you can use when you want to, and even prove it at the end with this trick...
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 6, 2015 05:39PM)
Or you can do what I do and have the spectator phone a friend and have there friend reveal the I formation you like. I have no real Interest in pretending to really talk to ghosts. I don't belive in them and have a very pad opinion in people who claim they do so. Even when I do a ghost presentation I state clear it is just a trick. I have no issues with that.
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (Apr 6, 2015 05:49PM)
Alright, alright already! I'd really like to pick this up but just need a few more reviews and personal experiences before spending $100.

Anyone?
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Apr 6, 2015 05:55PM)
Drstevemagic- I saw and played around with EVP this weekend. I like it a lot. I bought one. Everything pretty much lives up to Alans description. I saw my bud do this in three different environment: somewhat noisy, to a few people to a dead silent with almost no ambient noise. I think many will use this. Pretty cool device, I like what I saw. I'll be using this.
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (Apr 6, 2015 06:00PM)
Thanks, Justin. Will push the button when I get home, tonight.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 6, 2015 06:04PM)
@Justin, did you and your friend play it as "real" or a "trick" ?

Thanks,
~G

Or, a "real trick" ... :-)
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 6, 2015 06:21PM)
[quote]On Apr 6, 2015, YesManQ8 wrote:
@Prince I think magic is meant for entertaining people and presenting to them an enjoyable performance not lie to them and deceive them. Why would you do that? it's unethical.

WHAT ?

When you perform magic, that is not a practice of deceit ?

That's kind of a stretch ...
Message: Posted by: YesManQ8 (Apr 6, 2015 07:17PM)
Maybe I used the wrong words. Magic is deception yes, what I meant though is that lying to people and telling them the magic you're performing is real and supernatural is just messed up. Some people here are mad because they wanted to use Alan's trick to convince others that ghosts are real and they couldn't because of the name of the trick. Well even if Alan named it differently and people decided to Google to find out how you did it they will still find other tricks that do exactly the same thing.
Even then they still won't know how you did it unless they buy the trick and the vast majority won't buy it unless they are interested in performing magic.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Apr 6, 2015 08:43PM)
Drstevemagic- not a problem. Let me
Know how you like EVP. I've for a few ideas I'm thinkimg of using it.
Message: Posted by: MediocreMagician (Apr 6, 2015 09:18PM)
I love the idea of an invisible friend IAIN! You get the creepiness and intrigue of the effect without flat out scaring someone. Also have the bonus of the presentation being a little harder to find by a google search than an EVP experiment. Using some elements like Prince mentioned with his friendly ghost having favorite tricks that he helps you perform is interesting too! No need to limit ourselves like Alan said, our imaginations are the only limit so have fun with it and keep looking for creative new ways to present it. Still waiting for mine to ship from Penguin but I've been working on some ideas already, so many exciting possibilities!
Message: Posted by: Zuke (Apr 6, 2015 10:54PM)
[quote]On Apr 6, 2015, PRINCE wrote:
Yeah you can add additional sound but in my expertise in this field (oops - sorry for talking about this from personal advise as it's only in relation to try and mirror what an actual evp is that I have been experimenting, capturing and conducting for years, yet who am I to talk about what an evp is and how it looks and sounds - because the trick is called evp. Why, because that's what you are trying to capture) I wouldn't add static because when an evp is caught there is no static. The only other electronic sounds caught would be interference from mobile phone signal and from possible EMF devices but very rare. Add etc anything you all want, BUT if you want to try and keep as real as it can possibly look (which you should want to), then just stick to the voice. [/quote]

Shhhhhh...quiet now the grown ups are talking.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 7, 2015 01:37AM)
Anyone see Chris Ramsey perform this on this week “Shift”? I liked it a lot and think it answered quite a bit of questions that I have seen on here. I am still waiting on mine but from what I saw the attire seemed very casual and if in shorter sleeves this is a non-issue I can see myself using this every day to freak people out. However what I did like was his preference of how he would use EVP. I love the eerie, creepy and scary side of magic. But I never let it to be believed as anything else than just a performance or an example of something scary. I never leave them believing that what I just showed them was anything other than just a magical performances or an illusion and to fear not because it was not real. Only meant to look real. Are you kidding me!

People who do this type of magic and not call it magic but try to pass it off as something truly real without knowing what their spectators level of belief is a very dangerous thing to do. I know my mother alone would never want me to practice any of these types of effects to her because her level of belief is great. She would feel that I was temping and mocking ghosts and now I trapped one in her phone. I have done Hampton Falls by Tony Chris and people have been left pale before I tell them it’s an illusion and nothing to fear. I know I would never do “The Web” on anyone without knowing there true level of fear of spiders. And even then I tell them what they are about to see is just an illusion. Try doing Stigmata effect to a True Catholic without clarifying that it’s just a “TRICK” and see what happens. I am going to have no problem using my EVP to freak and scary and make people ponder about, but I will always specify that it is just an Illusion. As for the name, I don’t see how it’s in any way our concern what the creator chose to name is. A few weeks back I read about how people were mad that someone named their effect the “Zodiac Killer” LOL again. If people have a problem with something someone is creating and bringing to the community then do not buy it. Do not support it; hit the back button on your computer and move on to the next effect. I don’t get this “I don’t like this and I don’t like that….. But ima still get it” attitude. If someone does a card reveal with it (Don’t plan on it) but if someone does so what…. Their purchase their effect their business no? For all you know they kill with it. If you choose to go a more realistic demonstration of EVP great perfect.

Point is it looks like it will be a great effect. Alan is releasing it to the masses (WHICH HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO) and once you buy it he has said you are free to use it however you please. Why or where is there any room for debate? Especially on a forum that is designed to enquire and review a product. The end of the day, if you like what you see buy the effect and do with it as you please. Maybe even tell about how you’re using it and a review. If you don’t support it then cool also, see you on another page. Also I did not direct this at any one poster but just the lot of people who do nothing but provide negative content on the entire café recently. So if you felt personally singled out it was not my intention. Other than that who else has gotten their hands on EVP?
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 7, 2015 03:12AM)
Thanks Zuke 👍 now and again it pays to listen, pay attention and learn.

This effect was intended and don't care what anyone says for the purpose of you trying to capture a real and genuine evp on someone's phone buy conducting a real time evp experiment. The reason you don't use yours, or any other recording device etc and use THIERS is to add to the whole 'evidence' making it more believable as it's on their phone which they can keep the recording of the evp. You honestly say or give the impression before performing it that is just a trick or an illusion, you will not be getting the 'freaked out' reactions. The whole emotion and thought process changes and goes from them being a bit frightened, scared (which is what this was/is intended for, or should be) etc to wow cool trick I wonder he managed to get that on my phone.

Watch all the trailers etc and it is only aimed, presented and performed one way with one aim and goal to get that emotional hook - not giving the impression this is a magic trick or illusion. The comments about bordering on the ethics etc are true unfortunately, and you have to be careful who you perform this on as mentioned above (after all you also don't know what they may have experienced in the past regarding this - paranormal experience people homes are and what they experience regarding possible hauntings etc are more common than you think. The reason people don't want to talk about it is because they want to try and forget, so potential damage could be done BUT if you follow it up with yeah looks real but just a trick so don't worry, then nothing to worry about - possibly)

To perform this with the build up and background, then to make aware just a trick is IMO just a contradiction - what's the point. This is too strong of an effect to just pass this off as a trick.

Class dismissed - Zuke please can you stay behind as you have detention 😉
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 7, 2015 04:25AM)
Your now saying the same rubbish over and over and now becoming a little patronising with it.

The effect can be played as anyone wants. The evp presentation is only a small fraction of what this can do and any one would be silly to purely focus on that.

To start you had an issue with the name. You've voiced your opinion on it. In fact you have had your opinion on repeat as if it makes it any more relevant or important than anyone else. It saddly dosnt and it has been said many times, if I google any trick description I can find any trick I want to buy.

You have also said a few times that no performer would pass this off as a trick. Well I do! And don't be so disrespectful to say " of course you don't", you have never seen me perform this in any way. You may have not heard me talk about the scum ( in my opinion) that is ghost hunters mediums and the likes. I have a very hard line option on these parisites and would never portray myself as one. To me( the creator of this gimmick and routines) this is just a trick I am after all a magician selling it to magicians!
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Apr 7, 2015 06:04AM)
I thought this was a forum for magicians. Don't ghost hunters have their own forums?
Message: Posted by: 13 (Apr 7, 2015 06:26AM)
[quote]On Apr 7, 2015, M Sini wrote:
I thought this was a forum for magicians. Don't ghost hunters have their own forums? [/quote]

"Ghost hunters" wouldn't have found it so easily if the trick had been given a clandestine name.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Apr 7, 2015 06:29AM)
For god sake Prince, its quite clear this is not for you so just move on!!!
Message: Posted by: Allan Kardek (Apr 7, 2015 09:33AM)
[quote]
...The evp presentation is only a small fraction of what this can do and any one would be silly to purely focus on that.
[/quote]

But you and Murphy's marketed this effect (it truly does look like a great effect) that way and that way only. In fact, the ad at the bottom right of the Café says "Borrow their phone. Talk to the Dead. The Dead talk back." Sounds (no pun intended) like the main focus to me.

I understand a lot of magicians feel uncomfortable performing this and saying it's a just a trick afterwards, but then what's the point of performing it? Like Eugene Burger said in his Penguin Lecture, people don't want to know if the snakes in the haunted house are made of rubber. They want to be scared.

Alan, I will be purchasing this in the near future, because this fits right in with my persona and character as a bizarre magician/seance performer (for entertainment only), but I'm not going to say it's just a trick - that just trivializes all the work you have done on this fine product. If my audience is going to think it's real, I'm going to let them. They are going to believe what they want to believe and if they don't believe, that's fine too but if I give them something to talk about and challenge their skepticism, then I accomplished what I wanted to do.

Cheers,
Allan
Message: Posted by: maxignites (Apr 7, 2015 09:38AM)
[quote]On Apr 7, 2015, Allan Kardek wrote:
[quote]
...The evp presentation is only a small fraction of what this can do and any one would be silly to purely focus on that.
[/quote]

But you and Murphy's marketed this effect (it truly does look like a great effect) that way and that way only. In fact, the ad at the bottom right of the Café says "Borrow their phone. Talk to the Dead. The Dead talk back." Sounds (no pun intended) like the main focus to me.

I understand a lot of magicians feel uncomfortable performing this and saying it's a just a trick afterwards, but then what's the point of performing it? Like Eugene Burger said in his Penguin Lecture, people don't want to know if the snakes in the haunted house are made of rubber. They want to be scared.

Alan, I will be purchasing this in the near future, because this fits right in with my persona and character as a bizarre magician/seance performer (for entertainment only), but I'm not going to say it's just a trick - that just trivializes all the work you have done on this fine product. If my audience is going to think it's real, I'm going to let them. They are going to believe what they want to believe and if they don't believe, that's fine too but if I give them something to talk about and challenge their skepticism, then I accomplished what I wanted to do.

Cheers,
Allan [/quote]

Then your last souvenir to the spectators is their fear mate ? pretty creepy (but nice tho) :D
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 7, 2015 09:42AM)
Allan. Perform it how you like. And it's marketed the best way to sell it. That's business 101.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 7, 2015 09:51AM)
If I purchase, I'll prolly do two EVP in routine.
First one will be "Help" in a Woman or Child's voice!
The second will be "Get the *uck Out"! in a Deep Male Demonic Voice !

I'll try to explain ... if, I can find them after running ! LOL

Have a Nice Day ! :-)

~G
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 7, 2015 09:55AM)
That's ur choice bud...
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 7, 2015 10:16AM)
Alan,

I think this effect looks amazing.

The whole "EVP" thing doesn't exactly fit my performance style (I mostly perform for friends and randoms at bars)

But I could see me using this to reveal someone's card and go from there.

Did you mention that you do no recommend revealing a card?

best,
brandon
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 7, 2015 10:24AM)
I think it all depends on how you perform it. I can see someone really creeping it and I can see someone making it a lot of fun with humor. To each is own is the point I think.
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 7, 2015 10:28AM)
I agree...

There is many ways you can go with this.

I just thought it would be cool with for the entity to name the spectators card.

I can ask "how did you know that"

... "I'm standing behind them"

boom
:)

BUT. does it need to be quiet to perform this? Or can I perform this say out on the street, like outside a bar?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 7, 2015 10:31AM)
I perform it in the street all the time. U can reveal any information you like
Message: Posted by: Ross W (Apr 7, 2015 03:49PM)
[quote]On Apr 7, 2015, PRINCE wrote:
Thanks Zuke 👍 now and again it pays to listen, pay attention and learn.

This effect was intended and don't care what anyone says for the purpose of you trying to capture a real and genuine evp on someone's phone buy conducting a real time evp experiment. The reason you don't use yours, or any other recording device etc and use THIERS is to add to the whole 'evidence' making it more believable as it's on their phone which they can keep the recording of the evp. You honestly say or give the impression before performing it that is just a trick or an illusion, you will not be getting the 'freaked out' reactions. The whole emotion and thought process changes and goes from them being a bit frightened, scared (which is what this was/is intended for, or should be) etc to wow cool trick I wonder he managed to get that on my phone.

Watch all the trailers etc and it is only aimed, presented and performed one way with one aim and goal to get that emotional hook - not giving the impression this is a magic trick or illusion. The comments about bordering on the ethics etc are true unfortunately, and you have to be careful who you perform this on as mentioned above (after all you also don't know what they may have experienced in the past regarding this - paranormal experience people homes are and what they experience regarding possible hauntings etc are more common than you think. The reason people don't want to talk about it is because they want to try and forget, so potential damage could be done BUT if you follow it up with yeah looks real but just a trick so don't worry, then nothing to worry about - possibly)

To perform this with the build up and background, then to make aware just a trick is IMO just a contradiction - what's the point. This is too strong of an effect to just pass this off as a trick.

Class dismissed - Zuke please can you stay behind as you have detention 😉 [/quote]

Do you perform much, prince? I mean to strangers, paid gigs, that sort of thing? There are many here that do, and they might easily find ways of performing this that don't demand claiming paranormal powers. What I mean is your dogmatism regarding this effect seems strange. Why are you so adamant that it cannot be a trick?
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Apr 7, 2015 03:57PM)
Because PRINCE claims to do EVP [i]for real[/i], Ross.
Message: Posted by: Amazing Magic Co (Apr 7, 2015 03:59PM)
My apology if this has already been asked as I may have missed it reading through the lengthy thread ... Can the voice answer several questions or is it limited to just one reply?

Thanks,
Dan.
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 7, 2015 04:07PM)
[quote]On Apr 7, 2015, Amazing Magic Co wrote:
My apology if this has already been asked as I may have missed it reading through the lengthy thread ... Can the voice answer several questions or is it limited to just one reply?

Thanks,
Dan. [/quote]

Several questions/answers
Message: Posted by: PaulSharke (Apr 7, 2015 05:47PM)
I love the trailer, Mr. Rorrison! I'm eager to build a presentation around this effect for a Halloween party this year!

[quote]On Apr 6, 2015, PRINCE wrote:
So just for the record - typing evp phone trick in google... This came up - 1st page, 1st result - just saying incase of any confusion. Of course you won't be believing me so give it a try [/quote]

I want to make a quick comment about Google that some may find interesting.

Google searches are affected by your past searches. The search engine uses information culled from your previous searches in order to give you better results -- results custom-tailored for you.

If you've been running searches for magic tricks, then your search for "EVP" is more likely to find hits related to both magic and to EVP -- in order words, to Mr. Rorrison's effect. If, however, you have never searched for magic tricks before, then a search for "EVP" is far more likely to turn up pages like the Wikipedia link on Electronic Voice Phenomenon.

To recap: what two different people using two different computers find when they search for the same terms will differ, depending on what they've searched for in the past -- especially if they're logged into their Google account on those respective computers.
Message: Posted by: bartleby (Apr 7, 2015 06:32PM)
I have ordered! I am looking forward to trying it out. I have a small radio used for EVP performance that I have been trying to work into my routine. This should be perfect.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 7, 2015 09:37PM)
Haha, I tell people straight up magic is fake, lol. It leaves the analytical people no where to go.
They usually just say "oh, ok." Then they can relax.
James
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Apr 7, 2015 09:55PM)
The whole hook up thing is whats keeping me on the fence. I'm really interested to hear on how cumbersome/easy this is to rig up from more reviewers? I know there has been mixed thoughts on that so I'm hoping to get a sense of the process before hitting the button. If it's as easy/practical as hooking up Vapr or something like that, no problem.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 7, 2015 10:05PM)
[quote]On Apr 7, 2015, Xiqual wrote:
Haha, I tell people straight up magic is fake, lol. It leaves the analytical people no where to go.
They usually just say "oh, ok." Then they can relax.
James [/quote]

LOL

James, is a "Honest" Magician !
Not, many of them ... :-)
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 8, 2015 02:30AM)
Got my EVP in. Box is bigger than I thought. Contents are surprising to me but again I wasn't trying to figure out how it was done prior to ordering I just wanted it. Ill play with the contents when I get back to my room from work. Review to come.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 03:25AM)
Http://youtu.be/T5Q8lTI5nvM
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 03:27AM)
IIt's easier to hook up that vapr
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 8, 2015 03:30AM)
Thanks Alan, ill view the video when I get to my room. The military base computer doesn't let youtube videos get on... Love the Box tho,
Message: Posted by: twinfantasy (Apr 8, 2015 09:17AM)
Looks awesome. Does it also work when filming a video instead of using a voice recorder?
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 8, 2015 09:20AM)
Ooohhhh nice one
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 09:21AM)
It works really well filming video.. Flex ur hand a little and it looks like me the image shakes when the sound happens.. Adds to the effect some.
Message: Posted by: twinfantasy (Apr 8, 2015 09:24AM)
Boom. Ordering mine.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 8, 2015 10:13AM)
That opens things up a bit more with trying to get actual reactions...
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Apr 8, 2015 11:05AM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
IIt's easier to hook up that vapr [/quote]

Thanks for the response on that Alan. Looking forward to getting this now.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 8, 2015 12:24PM)
Got my package today. The gimmick is almost exactly what I expected, except one part of it. I've just watched the videos. Sleeveless performance is a little unclear. No one shows you HOW to attach the gimmick in the right place, only WHERE the right place is. As the direction of the gimmick is crucial I'm not sure how to mount it for sleeveless performance. I've tried and it becomes a little flimsy (which is bad, as direction is crucial). Any tips? You can PM me to not reveal the gimmick.

Edit: I also have an idea for improvement. Don't know if it's possible, but it includes a custom made app. I think it would make things a lot easier when it comes to timing.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 01:27PM)
I replied in pm sir. Helps avoid exposure lol. And I've you read up the thread I'll see I'm working in an app for you guys. Happy you guys are liking it .
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 8, 2015 01:36PM)
Watching the video now, been at work all day. However since I live in a four season environment any updates or attire re-configurations are welcomed as PM ONLY PLEASE!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 01:54PM)
What's in the j structions should cover you mate.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Apr 8, 2015 01:54PM)
I live in a one season environment "HOT" ha
EVP can Easley be worn with a sleeveless shirt.
Message: Posted by: uglyklown (Apr 8, 2015 02:24PM)
Well I received EVP today. Unboxed, by the way the box is cool, and was impressed. The video is online, but you can download easily. After watching just 22:53 seconds of the video, and fast forwarding the iphone bit, I was hooked up and playing. Well after half an hours practise I am totally rolling. It's awesome. I think I'm gonna freak out a lot of people with this gimmick. Alan has produced a real workable gem. So happy I bought it.

By the way only your imagination will limit you to it's uses......
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 8, 2015 02:37PM)
I'm still on the fence.

Such a steep price, especially when I only see myself using this for a card reveal.

Great product, Alan. Im a huge fan. SMOKE continues to blow people away. It's my favorite.

best,
brandon
Message: Posted by: Molando (Apr 8, 2015 02:47PM)
Simply brilliant.
Set-up is simple.

I normally keep magic and dating apart, but this is too much fun.
If I am hitting it off with somebody, and the situation was right (had mentioned magic)
Would talk about sprites, mischievous critters of happiness that are all around us.
All the time with a smile on my face.

Come out, come out sprites, are you there? ...... Yes, everywhere.. (happy fun female voice)
Hmm nothing. What would make our lives more fun?...... To dance under the moonlight
Hmm still nothing. Sprites, what should I do? ..... Ask for her number you fool !!!!

Hopefully a listen and laugh.
Then a simple nod towards the phone, and a may I?

Timings are not a problem, but will have a look tonight if I can knock up an android app to make it even easier.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 8, 2015 03:19PM)
Big thumbs up so far for those who have received it, and yes you can see the potential with this and the versatility in many ways than one to use/perform it - great work Alan. As a few have addressed questions, comments etc then no worries and more than happy to reply and answer...
@Alan, regarding being a little patronising then unfortunately as some Café members decide to reply and comment in this manner, then as much as I started out not like this, then if you cant beat um join um I guess if that's the way it goes also throwing a little humour in now and again is good :) Im amazed how you perform this as a trick and not perform it as its been advertised and via all the performances on the videos, but as a trick instead (but great if that's your preference). Im intrigued by this and would love perhaps hear a presentation of how you could perform it as a trick, leaving the impression its just a trick and nothing else (paranormal as in all the descriptions, vids etc). Everything in the description and performance for this is aimed at one way to perform/present it, so would be really helpful to give just one way to do it as a trick and not leave them thinking it was really a spirit voice - just a trick. But well done on the variation on the performance and take on it.

Really harsh words about your opinion on ghost hunters, mediums and the likes saying in your opinion they are all scum. Wow, not sure why you feel a few people (paranormal investigators) who spend a night in a building/location then leave is that bad or detrimental to you or anyone else to feel that personal about it - as it doesn't effect you or anyone else and why those 'ghost hunters/paranormal investigators' are such bad people for just doing something private? I can understand about mediums for the reasons of praying on the vulnerable 'living' people etc. But you have your opinion and that's fair enough. Oh hang on, ive made it known I'm a paranormal investigator - you said that people like me are scum, so just realised that's a personal attack on me. Oh ok fair enough. But yes I know what you mean about scum and the feelings/thoughts associated with it.

Its like for example I hate people who expose magic to the world like the masked magician. Or better still what are/is worse scum is say for example a magician went on a national T.V show to try and fool 2 of the most knowledgeable people in magic. They go on there fully aware and conscious that the methods, secrets etc of how the magician does a particular trick will/could get exposed on T.V for the world to know. Yet they still selfishly decide to perform a marketed gimmick by the way (not their own to be jeopardised if expose happened) but use a m*gnetic r*ng to perform a trick (which by the way 100's of magicians use and perform). So for a start that magician was dull enough to even think they could fool P&T with this, then for it to get exposed by P&T telling everyone that you were wearing one... oh sorry, the 'magician' used a m*gnetic r*ng to accomplish the poor trick performed has now indirectly exposed this piece of gimmickry to the entire world so now lay people know something like this even exists!!! So yes that's scum, know what I mean. To see how this selfish and inconsiderate so called magician had the front and cheek to go on national T.V fully knowing and putting this gimmick in danger of exposure was incredible - YET not bothered about the potential consequences of this and didn't care about anyone else but himself as long as he had 5 mins of so called fame - as a failure. But the funny thing to even think the mentality of him that something as basic and simple as this 'effect' would even fool them. So yeah I know those feelings of scum, especially when this effected other magicians now not being able to perform similar effects with this now exposed a known gimmick because of what you did - well done

@M Sini yes 'ghost hunters' have their own forums but I'm posting here because I'm a magician posting totally relevant info regarding this trick and the similarities to this and what an actual EVP is - exactly the same as this trick is so good and mirrors it exactly.

a few people like Allan Kardek etc are too repeating my thoughts on certain things which is good, and imo this is how people should be thinking or taking into consideration. But no probs if people don't, they are just opinions like everything.

@YesManQ8 your comment was quite interesting... "what I meant though is that lying to people and telling them the magic you're performing is real and supernatural is just messed up" Well this is exactly the main purpose of why this was invented alas all the description, vid performances etc - sorry if you feel ashamed by this.

So just to clarify as it still seems there is a lot of confusion - don't know why but my beef with this is not because of what it is because its genius, but trying to educate people who think that they can do card to wallet, then pull this out and for your spectators to believe its real 'paranormal' and not a trick. Your audiences are getting more and more sceptical as they know how things can easily be faked.

@ross welford yes I perform virtually every weekend and very active performing, but if anyone goes down the road of not playing this as a trick, then you are claiming that the only the way the voice is on their is via some kind of paranormal activity - an EVP - a spirits - a ghosts voice - what ever you want to call it. I still cant see how this can be performed as a trick as Alan says he does, as imo its only geared and aimed for one way of presentation and that is the end result is the reason the voice is on the phone is because you have caught an EVP (which is a voice of a spirit/ghost i.e paranormal - nothing else so its not a trick)

So great news that people are starting to receive it and happy, havnt seen the vid review yet that's been posted but all looks so far so good. Have fun guys as this really is genuis and performed the right way in the right hands, at the right time this is as real as it can get - to the real thing :)
Or if you are performing it as a trick and a piece of magic, then also cool and will still be a cool trick if you think this is the better way to go :)
Message: Posted by: BlakeAdams (Apr 8, 2015 04:03PM)
Well I went ahead and took the plung.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 04:11PM)
Hey, it's my opinion, you have exersised your right to state yours over and over. I'm slowed to say mine. Simple.


Cheers for the kind words other wise folks again. I'm happy and homered your liking it.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 04:21PM)
Blake I hope you like it man.. It's a fun effect to blow minds with
Message: Posted by: carlwag (Apr 8, 2015 04:30PM)
I received this today, the box is on a par with something made by Apple, everything looks substantial and the video explanations are very precise and cover everything, I'm yet to try it out but the method is very solid and can't wait to try it out.

Good work Alan and murphys magic


Carl
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Apr 8, 2015 04:35PM)
I'm interested in hearing more presentations that don't involve the creepy / ghost angle, as I am really interested in this, but that style doesn't suit me at all, so it would have to be a much different adaptation.

And no, I'm not talking about a card revelation (think outside the box magicians...)
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Apr 8, 2015 05:52PM)
Heck, I can think of non-ghost presentations and comedic ones at that.... I ordered it and just waiting for it to get to canada - I'll try out my thought up routines and report back (I'm assuming I can make any sound and voice effect - then you guys should really see the potential wildness of this) - I helped do the original tests cesar's version a while back and the potential for these devices are mega cool - I want to see this one in action too!

Just for fun, I will also do a card routine with reveal with a huge twist...... Yeah, just for fun!!!! A spooky dark one of course
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 05:54PM)
I use it to have a their friend who they freely call tell them the serial
Number a bill!
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 8, 2015 06:14PM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
I use it to have a their friend who they freely call tell them the serial
Number a bill! [/quote]

You have my attention...
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 06:35PM)
That one generally gets attention lol
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Apr 8, 2015 07:48PM)
Nice Alan! Can you describe a little
More about that!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 07:54PM)
Just think about it. Once you start playing with the gimmick it will stake you how easy it is
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Apr 8, 2015 08:15PM)
Actually just did it!! Great idea Alan
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 8, 2015 08:50PM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2015, Dr Spektor wrote:
Heck, I can think of non-ghost presentations and comedic ones at that.... I ordered it and just waiting for it to get to canada - I'll try out my thought up routines and report back (I'm assuming I can make any sound and voice effect - then you guys should really see the potential wildness of this) - I helped do the original tests cesar's version a while back and the potential for these devices are mega cool - I want to see this one in action too!

Just for fun, I will also do a card routine with reveal with a huge twist...... Yeah, just for fun!!!! A spooky dark one of course [/quote]

Dr Spektor, is way ahead of the game on this.
For the Magi asking what else can be done with EVP ... He'll be one that can let others know!
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Apr 8, 2015 08:50PM)
Anyone else out there use different software than QuickTime player 7
To record voices with that update is 30.00 for QuickTime. I used something else but don't like the program
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 08:53PM)
Your phone has a voice recorder on it!
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Apr 8, 2015 08:56PM)
I want the voice you use.. I think its your voice ha
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 09:03PM)
Check ur Pms
Message: Posted by: James927 (Apr 8, 2015 09:10PM)
Thanks Alan! I love the idea of a phoned friend revealing a serial #, amount of change in pocket, etc. How many other presentation ideas are included in the downloaded info?

I just started an "EVP presentation ideas" thread in Secret Sessions as a way of having a thread specifically about presentation ideas.
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Apr 8, 2015 09:20PM)
Took the plunge. Seems versatile enough that I'll find a routine that fits. Loved how Troy performed it. Maybe Alan will set up a Facebook group to share ideas as other effects have done
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 8, 2015 09:25PM)
I already have. But Ull need to contact me on facebook with proof of purchase to get in

Alan
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 8, 2015 11:29PM)
I found an app on App Store called Voice Plus. You can distort your voice with different effects. The app has a very ugly UI, but otherwise it seems good. With the right effect no one will recognize your voice even if they know you. You can also save and send the recordings to different apps.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Apr 9, 2015 01:57AM)
Just got this today at the local shop. As stated a few posts back, I was a bit on the fence due to concerns re: the practicality of the hook up. I asked if the ease of setting this up was about the same as Vapr, and he assured that it was even easier. After opening the box and playing around with the contents, I would say its about the same (which is totally fine by me).

Not cumbersome by any means. But like Vapr, you have to have it attached to yourself. So like the first reviewer said, you can't just have it in your pocket and bring it out at a moments notice and perform. But you can have it your pocket and excuse yourself for a FEW moments and be ready. Now I haven't performed this for anyone yet but as you can imagine, the pay off can be pretty huge. So given that this is going to be a pretty cool effect or prank, the hook up is not a deal breaker and pretty minimal overall. Not to mention that it's not a very bulky item either.

Quality wise, it's really nice. It's fairly simple and linear, yet produced well...not scrapped together or crafty in any way.

Now the gimmick is giving me some trouble in terms of the reliability of the activation/connectivity on my iPhone 4s. It worked right away on my first practice run but when I hooked it up again a second time, it didn't. It's been hit or miss ever since. That said, on my wife's iPhone i5, the gimmick worked fine each time. So maybe theres something screwy going on with the connectivity factor of my particular phone. The DVD does address some of these connectivity issues so maybe I need to rewatch it and look into it more. If anyone else has this issue or knows how to fix it, let me know. In the meantime, the workaround for my 4S is that I just need to test the connectivity each time before using it. And fiddle with the connectivity until it "takes". Not optimal but maybe its just my phone and not a 4s connectivity issue in general. I'm due for an upgrade anyway so not too worried about this (What can I say, I just really liked the 4S design!)

All in all, I'm really happy I got this and look forward to playing with it more and performing with it.

Anyway, this is the kind of info I was looking for when researching this so hope it helps.
Message: Posted by: NoT a DuCk! (Apr 9, 2015 02:21AM)
I was really excited about this and it seemed affordable and awesome. The first time I saw a similar effect was on a magic revealed style television show. I was unaware of Cesar's product even though I have shopped with him before and been blown away with what I received. I cannot afford his product but honestly can not in good conscious buy this one. I am super bummed. I am curious if this has been resolved in some way or if walmart mentality has just ignored it. Not to beat a dead horse but can anyone who actually knows update me on the status of the claims made by Ceasar? Now that it is actually released, is it truly different? I am not posting this to start trouble but am hoping now that people own the product that this can be settled. I can not stock it or purchase it until this is cleared up. Is anyone familiar with both effects enough to say that this is truly different? A PM is fine and I won't post about this publicly again. I don't intend this to seem like a "troll" post. I am excited about this and would like to have it but not if now that people can see the product if it is truly the same. Thanks for any help someone has. I am not interested in opinions of folks unfamiliar with both products. Thanks and I hope it is positive news.
Message: Posted by: Dazzler UK (Apr 9, 2015 02:54AM)
Hi Guys,
This is my first post on the Café so please be gentle :-)
Alan, I absolutely love EVP awesome effect congrats mate. For me some people are taking it way too seriously as I have been following the thread since day 1.
I have purchased this from Mark at Saturn Magic in the UK but have been reading that you may be putting together a download of a voice pack for EVP and possibly an app aswell. I was just wondering if this will be available through our magic dealers when it is ready as I am itching to get some different recordings. I keep checking the URL supplied with the kit daily for Murphy's magic to see if any info has been updated on the tutorial page but don't see anything regarding recordings.
Any info would be great mate

Daz
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 9, 2015 02:56AM)
Well got the box opened it and was like hmm. watched both videos and was gitty. I deeper review a little later. Alan however I do like your recordings it has that accent that I a Spanish guy from New Jersey cant muster, no matter how much Doctor Who I watch "I don't WANT TO GO!" So if you are offering that as a download I would like that. Other then that I'm going to try to find a friend who can do the Gazoo voice from the Flintstones.. remember that alien that would appear and disappear. I am also thinking about a presentation of how you make decisions with your inner demon and angels on your shoulders. I just think the options are wide. The short sleeve t-shirt I think I get except for one part with the short sleeves I wear. (WHAT THE GIRLS THOUGT THEY HEARD) and in the video he emphasized on how he damaged a part on the prototype freaked me out a bit and do not want to do the same
Message: Posted by: m477h3w (Apr 9, 2015 03:36AM)
Long time lurker, first time poster.

Been looking over this forum as I am very interested in this effect. I am only a hobbiest but feel this will suit my style. I love the idea of using the gymick as advertised, but been on the fence about purchasing (money issue mainly).

Someone above mentioned using this to call someone chosen by the spec to reveal how much change they have in their pocket. Troy did this in his show a few weeks back and it blew my mind. Is this easy to pull off using the EVP gymick? If so that's two amazing tricks in one already, which makes my purchasing decision easier!

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Apr 9, 2015 03:41AM)
Not a duck- It's been resolved. I own both, Alans method is completly different. Also, EVP type effect pre date both creators. I believe murphysmagic gives credit to cesoral on there website.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 9, 2015 04:41AM)
The evp unit should work absolutely fine with an iPhone 4. You said it works perfect with a 5 but the connectivity on the 4 can be off. This says to me that the evp unit is fine but there may be a small due with your audio/ data jack on the iPhone 4. The only thing I can recommend is look I yo getting that fixed.

The app is on way. I'm one man here building it as a bonus for you guys as and when I can. In the mean time you can make all the sonds you like as per the instructions.

Not a duck. Cesar and the team have chatted and he's requested a credit for being the first to use a mobile phone to catch the recording. That's fine by use and the matter s cleared up



Alan
Message: Posted by: Dazzler UK (Apr 9, 2015 04:45AM)
@m477h3w

Exactly the same, just a different presentation.
possibilities are endless

Daz
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 9, 2015 04:59AM)
Sorry I missed us post... Yes this is what was used on Troy.
Message: Posted by: MediocreMagician (Apr 9, 2015 06:06AM)
Mine shipped today so I should receive it early next week and I'm very excited to try it out. Also looking forward to the possible app and facebook group for ideas whenever you do get around to it, no rush though as I'm sure we all know how busy you must be. I'm still still well short of the post count required for the secrets part of the forum so anything that would help is greatly appreciated. Keep up the great work!
Message: Posted by: roblane (Apr 9, 2015 06:10AM)
Still waiting for mine to ship from MoM.
Not sure if this is available in UK yet?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 9, 2015 06:20AM)
The facebook page is made. Contact me there for access
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Apr 9, 2015 06:24AM)
[quote]On Apr 9, 2015, roblane wrote:
Still waiting for mine to ship from MoM.
Not sure if this is available in UK yet? [/quote]

We have been shipping for about a week and have stock available in the UK to ship.
Message: Posted by: music (Apr 9, 2015 06:25AM)
Here is a hidden camera tv show doing the effect, not sure if it is the same as Alan's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l_fN8efmmc
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 9, 2015 06:28AM)
Yes that's mines
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 9, 2015 06:28AM)
Yes that's mines
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 9, 2015 06:37AM)
Alan with that prank video, is there some pre-work or is it as simple as using the phone (NON-PC) option what allows for the precise response.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 9, 2015 08:07AM)
If you have an assistant you can load live responses !
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Apr 9, 2015 08:51AM)
I received my EVP yesterday. After opening the box, I took a quick look at the gimmick(s) which were pretty close to what I was expecting. The gimmick is extremely well made and with a little care should last you a LONG time.

The instructional download was well-shot and well-taught. I liked it because they covered what needs to be covered and it didn't drag on.

There has been some discussion about the hook up. While I would venture to guess most people will wear it on them most of the time while performing, it doesn't have to be worn. There are other ways to set this up, as is mentioned in the download. With a little imagination you can come up with all sorts of ideas.

And while you don't need a computer, one will definitely help, especially if you have a Garageband or something like it installed.

I orginally purchased this to use in (seemingly) impromptu situations and not necessarily for paid gigs. While I still don't plan to use it for paid strolling gigs, I'm giving serious thought to using it in some of my stage and platform shows. I really like the versatility of the gimmick and look forward to seeing what I and others can come up with.

Great product Alan!
Message: Posted by: m477h3w (Apr 9, 2015 11:32AM)
Thanks for the response guys. Sounds awesome!
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 9, 2015 02:27PM)
Ok now I am wondering if first I ask "Is someone there' The response is Yessss ALAN I want your VOice! THen I ask something like what do you want? are you good or bad. THen this plays for a few seconds ater then maybe a maniacal laugh or end it with the LEAVE now... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fAjyFbyb4o staring at the :09 mark
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 9, 2015 02:28PM)
Or this during XMAS! just a few seconds of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tra1zPqj9T8
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 9, 2015 02:55PM)
You can have anything Inlike play to be honest.. Do you want my base file.. Ok me and I'll send unit with proof of purchase of course .
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 9, 2015 03:01PM)
Just reached out
Message: Posted by: sbays (Apr 9, 2015 03:31PM)
Another idea is, if you are male, then have the voice be a female voice. And vice versa. It adds a layer I think.
Message: Posted by: sbays (Apr 9, 2015 03:33PM)
Also when recording your voice file, do not speak too closely to the microphone. Keep a little distance. A very well pronounced voice isn't nearly as creepy as one that you really have to listen to hear. Listen to real EVP's to get some inspiration.
Message: Posted by: RedHatMagic (Apr 9, 2015 04:57PM)
Does anyone have EVP AND Sounds Amazing? A comparison would be nice if you have time.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 9, 2015 05:00PM)
They're two completely different effects...

EVP is causing "something" to appear on a sound recording that people don't hear at the time...

sounds amazing is a set up that lets you produce certain noises, audible to the people you are with upon command...

i only have sounds amazing, but, y'know...12 pages to read through, and the youtube clip explains everything...
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Apr 9, 2015 06:02PM)
[quote]On Apr 9, 2015, sbays wrote:
Another idea is, if you are male, then have the voice be a female voice. And vice versa. It adds a layer I think. [/quote]

Nice touch!
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Apr 9, 2015 07:46PM)
Just had a blast doing this on my first victim....my eight year old boy who is a huge ghostbusters fan! I did some recordings from his pal Slimer and he just can't believe it! He is completely amazed and having so much fun making contact with him!

Looking forward to doing this on adults with something a bit more creepy but for now, got some good test runs in with the little one. Still need to work on my timing a bit and making sure I activate properly but all in all, a successful first encounter!

Who you gonna call?!
Message: Posted by: Casey Sparrow (Apr 9, 2015 10:05PM)
Anyone have this and using a Smasung phone? I recieved mine today and I'm having some serious issues :(

CS
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 10, 2015 03:22AM)
Caddy. Pm me and I'll help you out man.
Message: Posted by: The Greek (Apr 10, 2015 07:56AM)
We had a loot of fun with EVP this week. Well done Alan Rorrinson for a fantastic effect.

You can see what we were up to and a review here - http://www.magictao.co.uk/TaoTV/Weekly-Magazine-EP-27
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Apr 10, 2015 08:47PM)
[quote]On Apr 9, 2015, sbays wrote:

[b]Another idea is, if you are male, then have the voice be a female voice. And vice versa. It adds a layer I think.[/b] [/quote]

[quote]On Apr 9, 2015, sbays wrote:

Also when recording your voice file, do not speak too closely to the microphone. Keep a little distance. [b]A very well pronounced voice isn't nearly as creepy as one that you really have to listen to hear.[/b] Listen to real EVP's to get some inspiration. [/quote]

Very good suggestions.

Thanks.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: bartleby (Apr 10, 2015 11:28PM)
I haven't tried this out on anyone yet but I have created some custom sound files. I found dropping the pitch makes the voice sound less like me and more....diabolical.

My early feedback on the purchase - very tricky and non-intuitive. I can see this fooling my toughest skeptics (my wife and son). I am a happy customer.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Apr 11, 2015 05:03AM)
Hey guys, can anyone send me a file they have success with?
Not sure if my gimmick is faulty.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 11, 2015 06:05AM)
Check ur pms
Message: Posted by: Dazzler UK (Apr 11, 2015 06:49AM)
Hi guys,
I just wanted to mention that a big added bonus for me is the level of after sales support that has been given to owners of this effect by Alan. He seems to have gone out of his way to help other members in this thread myself included, during what is probably a busy time after release. I wish other creators were this helpful!
It adds to the overall experience of purchasing this product for me and any others he may release in the future.
Daz
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Apr 11, 2015 07:44AM)
Alan is very good with after care service I can vouch for that as he stayed up very early hours to sort a problen I had buy making a short infomation vidio for an app I purchased,when I can afford this one I will get it as it will fit in loverly with my Halloween party shows.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Apr 11, 2015 08:17AM)
Kudos to Alan for helping me with EVP, solved my issue.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 11, 2015 11:06AM)
Hi,I have my evp in front of me now it gives a certain web address in the lid for the instructions which I did but it gives me a link for twister continuum???why can't they be bothered to supply a dvd??
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 11, 2015 11:12AM)
It helps us keep costs down from band it easier for us to update any Information if needed
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 11, 2015 11:14AM)
[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
It helps us keep costs down from band it easier for us to update any Information if needed [/quote]
So Alan how do I access the instructions
Thanks Tim
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 11, 2015 11:20AM)
I've just check the link and it works. Keep in mind urls are case sensative.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 11, 2015 11:24AM)
Been trying for an hour now still no instructions,great start!!
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 11, 2015 11:30AM)
Can you pm me what ur typing in as I've just logged in again and it works fine
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Apr 11, 2015 11:46AM)
[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, cardbiker wrote:

Hi,I have my evp in front of me now it gives a certain web address in the lid for the instructions which I did but it gives me a link for twister continuum??? [b]why can't they be bothered to supply a dvd??[/b] [/quote]


[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:

[b]It helps us keep costs down[/b] from band it easier for us to update any Information if needed [/quote]

A friend showed me the EVP.

LOL we speak of keeping cost down for an effect that costs a hundred bucks and in return provides a contraption that costs a meager $5 to 7.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 11, 2015 11:48AM)
That's ur opinion bud. I've ones you mate to try and help you out. I'm not sure what ur issue is
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 11, 2015 11:50AM)
[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, cardbiker wrote:

Hi,I have my evp in front of me now it gives a certain web address in the lid for the instructions which I did but it gives me a link for twister continuum??? [b]why can't they be bothered to supply a dvd??[/b] [/quote]


[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:

[b]It helps us keep costs down[/b] from band it easier for us to update any Information if needed [/quote]

A friend showed me the EVP.

LOL we speak of keeping cost down for an effect that costs a hundred bucks and in return provides a contraption that costs a meager $5 to 7.

:xmas: [/quote]
Oh thanks Ustaad that's really cheered me up lol
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 11, 2015 11:53AM)
I think the whole comment is a little uncalled for. projected costs or that side of the buisness is not really what this thread is for.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 11, 2015 12:03PM)
Let's tunand get you on to the instructions. There should be nothing that stops if you are following the link correctly
Message: Posted by: roblane (Apr 11, 2015 12:15PM)
Hi,
I just received this and it is pretty much what I expected, (which is good!) I have an older iphone (3gs) which doesn't have a built in voice memo, and the app I have has issues with the set-up. Anyone else in same boat?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 11, 2015 12:17PM)
Tv check ur Pms and I'll send you my sound file if t helps.. Keep in mind you can make the files on ur computer too.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Apr 11, 2015 12:24PM)
[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, roblane wrote:
Hi,
I just received this and it is pretty much what I expected, (which is good!) I have an older iphone (3gs) which doesn't have a built in voice memo, and the app I have has issues with the set-up. Anyone else in same boat? [/quote]

If you can afford this effect then surely you can upgrade to at least a 4 iteration?
Message: Posted by: roblane (Apr 11, 2015 12:31PM)
[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, roblane wrote:
Hi,
I just received this and it is pretty much what I expected, (which is good!) I have an older iphone (3gs) which doesn't have a built in voice memo, and the app I have has issues with the set-up. Anyone else in same boat? [/quote]

If you can afford this effect then surely you can upgrade to at least a 4 iteration? [/quote]
Good point, mebee I can, mebee I can't. Moot point as I have just found the voice memo in a 'utilities' folder, so please ignore my stupidity. Thanks for file Alan, but it wont open for me (404 not found) unfortunately. I'm sure this is gonna become a fav once of got it down. Can't see what any of that has to do with whether I can afford to upgrade my phone or not. But hey ho..............
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 11, 2015 12:33PM)
Small typo in the link mate. Check the new link I sent you.. autocorrect hates me
Message: Posted by: roblane (Apr 11, 2015 12:35PM)
Thanks Alan
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 11, 2015 02:18PM)
A big thanks to Alan who didn't stop untill he got the problem sorted for me
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 11, 2015 03:05PM)
I do my best.
Message: Posted by: m477h3w (Apr 11, 2015 03:43PM)
Just took the plunge. Seems like there are many possibilities with this, and it is clear that customer support is top notch. Looking forward to working on this!!!!

Alan - Can I contact you on Facebook to arrange access to the group when I have received it?

Cheers,
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 11, 2015 03:50PM)
You sure can .
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 11, 2015 04:46PM)
[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
You sure can . [/quote]
I tried sending a PM to you on Facebook, but I haven't got invited to any group. I don't use Facebook much, so I'm not sure I did it right?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 11, 2015 04:50PM)
Try again bud I didn't get anything g
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 11, 2015 05:19PM)
[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Try again bud I didn't get anything g [/quote]
Just sent another message. It says the message won't show up in your inbox as we're not friends, it will go to some misc-folder.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 12, 2015 05:03AM)
This is a great upgrade that can be considered by the creator.
Ustaad has always clever ideas for making tricks work better.
Making the device compact and avoiding the extensions according to Ustaad improvement IS TOTALY GREAT!
I am 100 % with him.
WELL DONE MY FRIEND! :applause: [/quote]
Once the gimmick is assembled you don't need to take it apart. One part can even be put over the other part for safe storing, which make a nice compact soft package about 7x7x5 cm. As it is now, it's simple and will always work. No need for batteries.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 12, 2015 05:59AM)
I did prototype something similar bud saddly it brought around to many issues. With what I settle on the unit is easy to trouble shoot and smaller to carry. As for recording on the fly. In practice you get I consisten noise levels in your recordings which saddly gave you inconsistent nose on your output. Also doing ths would eliminate the ability to load information in real time which is a massive strong point to this unit...

Just thought it would be nice to put out the reasoning. It's not a snip at anyone etc just an hones rey
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 12, 2015 06:56AM)
I like EVP, I only have one small issue which I will take care of myself. If you're above avarage in size, either from eating too much, training too much or just being a larger person, at least one piece of the included parts can be a bit on the small side to wear it comfortable.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 12, 2015 07:16AM)
That could be true. I'll look I to haveing packs made for people with this issue
Message: Posted by: aechecop (Apr 12, 2015 08:08AM)
Got mine and it is all I expected it to be and more. Great unit, great presentation (box, quality etc) and most importantly, it works.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 12, 2015 08:27AM)
Some goodish reviews coming in for this however just to clarify, that if you/spectators hear the voice real time (even just very faint) this is considered as VP (voice phenomenon) not necessarily an EVP. An EVP is where the voice is really only heard/picked up on an electronic recordable device and not heard real time. If heard real time this generally is a voice phenomenon. In the magic Tao vid performance of this (at 5:15 on the review) people could actually hear the voice real time then on playback was made more clear to what was said. So now having seen this, then people could potentially question whether this is apparently 'real' or not those who are sceptical of the performance may this it could just be a device that is playing a very quiet voice, which then picked up by the microphones sensitivity to be more clear. Or they may think it is real. As very rare, but spirit voices can be heard real time when calling out (like in the vid review performance). However I think the effect is made stronger if no one hears the voice real time.

Someone mentioned they did this for an 8yr old boy which they loved. Great stuff, however if you did play this off as real that they apparently communicated with an actual ghost/spirit (thats how/why the voice is on there) then just hope they don't grab a Ouija board and try an communicate that way as well. All the haters now rolling their eyes but do you know what the inspiration from the film 'The Exorcist' was? Simply from a young boy innocently messing with the board trying to communicate with the other side, which led to the most REAL and FACTUAL EVIDENTIAL case of a possession in history. Those again who think all this is a load of bull, then before you pass judgement then take time to read the actual INDEPENDENT reports written up and given by priests, the POLICE and other independent people of what they seen and witnessed of the activity and possession taking place. Whilst many of the officers involved are or should I say were sceptical until they experienced what they did.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 12, 2015 08:29AM)
Prince. When I say " real time" I mean you can load the information in real time. It's still only heard by the sound recorder.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 12, 2015 08:35AM)
Yeah I know, ok think we are getting the term 'real time' crossed. I know/understand you can load the voice real time, but I'm referring to when you call out, this is a 'real time' experiment. If someone actually hears the voice with their own ears during the calling out, they have heard the voice 'real time'.

On the vid performnace at 5:15 on the Tao review, everyone heard something 'real time' as the performer said to the 2 girls "Did you hear that" they all said yes (so everyone heard something/a voice real time), so when everything was played back it was then clarified what they heard more clearly.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 12, 2015 08:36AM)
Yeah mabye I used to wring term.. How about "live" might be a better word to use

With Tao. I'm sure they will be the first to admit they did not have it set correctly. Thankfully with this type of effect it doesn't destroy the illusion. Just a different clarification I guess
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Apr 12, 2015 08:51AM)
Yeah possibly, I guess the versatile thing about it is that the performer can set it to their preferred setting e.g if they like the idea of spectators being able to hear the voice 'real time' when calling out as well if they feel this adds to being a stronger presentation, or they can set it so that nothing is heard until playback.
Personally think its stronger to not hear the voice real time and its only heard during playback.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 12, 2015 08:54AM)
I'm the same. I always. Set mines for silence in the room
Message: Posted by: MediocreMagician (Apr 13, 2015 12:33AM)
To simply write it off as a cheap gimmick seems extremely unfair. I received my package today and I'm very happy with the purchase. The packaging is excellent, really makes it seem like a professional tool. The teaching is great making things really easy to understand. The gimmick may technically be cheap in terms of manufacturing costs but I don't think that's a fair argument at all. I'm sure we've all paid great amounts of money for what has essentially ended up being a piece of plastic. If magic and effects was only considered to be the gimmick, you'd walk away feeling disappointed more often than not for the price paid. Part of the price is the research, the testing, the construction and presentation. It's very easy after the fact to find cheaper ways of doing something when you know how it's done, but there's a reason that this effect has generated so much buzz; most people haven't put in that time, effort and creativity to work those things out. For those that have it, looking at what's included I think it's fair to say there's a number of things that could have been done to cut corners and save on costs. Thankfully they didn't and I think there's some really nice little touches that could have been easily overlooked. His Penguin Live lecture aside this is my first purchase from Alan and after playing around with it, it definitely wont be my last.
Message: Posted by: Robmonster (Apr 13, 2015 03:32AM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2015, Molando wrote:
Simply brilliant.
Set-up is simple.

I normally keep magic and dating apart, but this is too much fun.
If I am hitting it off with somebody, and the situation was right (had mentioned magic)
Would talk about sprites, mischievous critters of happiness that are all around us.
All the time with a smile on my face.

Come out, come out sprites, are you there? ...... Yes, everywhere.. (happy fun female voice)
Hmm nothing. What would make our lives more fun?...... To dance under the moonlight
Hmm still nothing. Sprites, what should I do? ..... Ask for her number you fool !!!!

Hopefully a listen and laugh.
Then a simple nod towards the phone, and a may I?

Timings are not a problem, but will have a look tonight if I can knock up an android app to make it even easier. [/quote]

Good lord
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 13, 2015 05:25AM)
I wouldn't yse this as a dating tool but that's just me.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 13, 2015 05:51AM)
I did prototype something similar but saddly it brought around to many issues. With what I settle on the unit is easy to trouble shoot and smaller to carry. As for recording on the fly. In practice you get Inconsisten noise levels in your recordings which saddly gave you inconsistent nose on your output. Also doing ths would eliminate the ability to load information in real time which is a massive strong point to this unit...

Just thought it would be nice to put out the reasoning. It's not a snip at anyone etc just an honest reply.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 13, 2015 11:32AM)
[quote]On Apr 13, 2015, Robmonster wrote:
[quote]On Apr 8, 2015, Molando wrote:
Simply brilliant.
Set-up is simple.

I normally keep magic and dating apart, but this is too much fun.
If I am hitting it off with somebody, and the situation was right (had mentioned magic)
Would talk about sprites, mischievous critters of happiness that are all around us.
All the time with a smile on my face.

Come out, come out sprites, are you there? ...... Yes, everywhere.. (happy fun female voice)
Hmm nothing. What would make our lives more fun?...... To dance under the moonlight
Hmm still nothing. Sprites, what should I do? ..... Ask for her number you fool !!!!

Hopefully a listen and laugh.
Then a simple nod towards the phone, and a may I?

Timings are not a problem, but will have a look tonight if I can knock up an android app to make it even easier. [/quote]

Good lord [/quote]

Robmonster, my same thought at first !
Then, I thought how nice it is for the product getting out there in the hands of 12yr. olds !
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 13, 2015 01:52PM)
Look's like Ustaad's post was removed again. :(

shame.
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Apr 13, 2015 02:34PM)
Yes suggestions and improvements from Ustaad are not accepted.
:nose:
:clownjuggling: Magic Café Circus in action
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Apr 13, 2015 02:35PM)
[quote]On Apr 13, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
Look's like Ustaad's post was removed again. :(

shame. [/quote]


Café circus hits again :clownonball:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Apr 13, 2015 03:32PM)
[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, roblane wrote:
[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Apr 11, 2015, roblane wrote:
Hi,
I just received this and it is pretty much what I expected, (which is good!) I have an older iphone (3gs) which doesn't have a built in voice memo, and the app I have has issues with the set-up. Anyone else in same boat? [/quote]

If you can afford this effect then surely you can upgrade to at least a 4 iteration? [/quote]
Good point, mebee I can, mebee I can't. Moot point as I have just found the voice memo in a 'utilities' folder, so please ignore my stupidity. Thanks for file Alan, but it wont open for me (404 not found) unfortunately. I'm sure this is gonna become a fav once of got it down. Can't see what any of that has to do with whether I can afford to upgrade my phone or not. But hey ho.............. [/quote]

Because you stated that you did not have the voice recording option on your 3GS, plus people not laughing at you.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 13, 2015 03:33PM)
Lets get the thread back on track...
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 13, 2015 03:36PM)
One thing to keep in mind. The unit works when ur recording videos too. Andrew maybes ghost vision may play well along side this
Message: Posted by: bartleby (Apr 13, 2015 05:44PM)
[quote]On Apr 13, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
One thing to keep in mind. The unit works when ur recording videos too. Andrew maybes ghost vision may play well along side this [/quote]

I have been experimenting with using it with this...
http://www.amazon.com/DAS-Distribution-21487-19-P-SB7-IR-Spirit/dp/B00ULLFCN8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1428964922&sr=8-5&keywords=p+sb7+spirit+box

It does a great job of adding a little ambient noise in a very quiet room.
Message: Posted by: MediocreMagician (Apr 13, 2015 07:48PM)
So is there a page set up with some ideas or voice recordings people have shared? If so, could someone send it to me by PM?
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Apr 14, 2015 12:36AM)
[quote]On Apr 13, 2015, bartleby wrote:
[quote]
I have been experimenting with using it with this...
http://www.amazon.com/DAS-Distribution-21487-19-P-SB7-IR-Spirit/dp/B00ULLFCN8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1428964922&sr=8-5&keywords=p+sb7+spirit+box

It does a great job of adding a little ambient noise in a very quiet room. [/quote]


NICE ! :-)
Message: Posted by: The Greek (Apr 14, 2015 03:01AM)
PRINCE I have just read your posts. Let me say something regarding the video you watched. The spectators didn't here anything :) Chris asked them if they heard anything as part of his patter and the spectator answered yes. This was great as they were really in the zone. This shows how much you can get the spectators hooked and they believe they heard noises when they didn't. Any noises you can here is background noise. So when the recording was played back it was an even bigger shock for them as there was an actual voice on the recording on their phone.

I highly recommend EVP.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 14, 2015 03:34AM)
Ordered this after so many posts ~ Thought performing it the night will get a better reaction ~
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 15, 2015 01:44AM)
The night does add a little something to it
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 15, 2015 05:06AM)
Yea ~ the feeling is tense after the effect so might as well put some levitation magic afterwards ? Maybe the ghost plot can be used as things float .
Message: Posted by: Amrit (Apr 15, 2015 06:21AM)
Finally had the chance to give this a proper try out and thought I would post my findings and such for anyone who needs a few tips and help and such (and just general feeback on it).

Firstly I was VERY impressed with the box when it arrived and the hook up works great although there was an issue with it not being as diverse as I had hoped. You can't move things around becuase of how short the cables are (i.e. the design looks to be done so units are on the same side of a person but would have been nice to be able to split where each unit is work on the body with a slightly longer cable). As someone previously mentioned for those who have a bigger or leaner body this can also pose as a problem.

Other than that though the device seems to work great although I did have some issues with the switch. The first was how oud the switch is. This can be covered with the use of a thick jacket but in a room or environment which is quiet there's a chance something can be heard (I always go by the assumption if I can hear it they might also be able to hear it). The second issue, was the response time from the switch where there would be a slight delay or just nothing would happen. I decided to try and give the button a long press but all this did was launch some app on my iphone (Iphone 5s). This random app launching (it looked like it was a voice command app of some kind - I'm not a fan of Iphone so am not entirely sure what it was) was not really a big issue though, just have to ensure you don't press the switch and hold it down for too long. Also realised the button not being responsive was down to how it is worn on the body - you need to make sure you can get a good press on the switch and if you can it will work every time.

I had a lot of fun recording the audio and ensuring it didn't sound too much like me so this involved hours of working with audio software to get it just right as well as sounding creepy. For those who want to know how I did mine, please get in touch and I will be happy to upload a guide onto the Facebook group Alan has set up, if he is good with that. I will also upload the audio files I use in case anyone wishes to use them as pre-made samples.

To record the audio... I tried recording using a whisper and this did NOT work too well especially after I edited the audio. If you are not going to edit the audio whispering as well as not recording too close to the mic you are using is key to making it sound good. If you will edit the audio then you need the ausio to be clear. Speak clearly, close to the mic and whisper but do it loudly (you can change the volume level when performing anyway). It's all about experimenting which is why it took me hours to get it right and have the audio exactly how I wanted it. The software I used was a free PC based software (this way anyone can use it without forking out money for software), I don't own an apple mac so am not able to provide any instructions for editing ausio on there - sorry.

I recorded two audio clips: I did the first as instructed in the instructional video with a 5-8 second gap and did a second that had a 15 second gap. This gave me the option to be able to hit the button once on the unit and stick to a timeframe within which to ask questions or I can use the 8 second file which meant I would need to use the stop/play method after each question. Really depends on the people you perform for and how involved they will get because if you know exactly what you will say between questions and the spectators will all follow your lead and just listen to what you do it's quite easy to be able to use a set audio clip where you won't need to pause/play after each question.

Overall, very, very happy with this purchase it worked a treat - excellent work Alan. Also, if there is anything in this post that could be considered 'revealing' please let me know and I will edit it out immediately.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Apr 15, 2015 09:21AM)
If you have a Pebble watch, this can be used as a trigger....... no sound at all ;)
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 15, 2015 09:30AM)
Lol this is mention In The instructions and it is very true
Message: Posted by: Amrit (Apr 15, 2015 11:40AM)
I was considering buying a pebble watch just yesterday but had decided not to - seems I have new incentive to get one now, lol. I think I must have overlooked that part in the instructions as I don't own one so will have a look at them again today.

Alan - Couldn't find the group on Facebook so am assuming it's a hidden group we have to get an invite to from you? How do we send you proof of purchase? Will a selfie with the product to your inbox work, lol. :D
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 15, 2015 12:28PM)
On facebook send me the selfie and I'll sort you out
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 15, 2015 12:39PM)
Whats a pepple watch? Sorry
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 15, 2015 12:52PM)
Hi Alan could you let me know how to join the Facebook group
Cheers Tim
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Apr 15, 2015 03:09PM)
[quote]On Apr 15, 2015, paisa23 wrote:
Whats a pepple watch? Sorry [/quote]
It is a watch that works in conjunction with an iphone.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Apr 15, 2015 04:14PM)
Or an android phone.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 15, 2015 04:21PM)
And it's a pebble watch
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 16, 2015 03:53PM)
Yeah the pebble watch us an awesome tool
Message: Posted by: freightpro (Apr 17, 2015 06:59AM)
[quote]On Apr 16, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
Yeah the pebble watch us an awesome tool [/quote]
Hi Alan

I am new to this forum and pretty much new to magic, done a few card tricks for friends and bought a few tricks now again and never managed to really get any decent results, in your professional opinion will an absolute novice be able to pull this off.

Cheers

Steve
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 17, 2015 08:19AM)
If you can count to five. You can do this mate.. Super easy
Message: Posted by: freightpro (Apr 17, 2015 10:40AM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
If you can count to five. You can do this mate.. Super easy [/quote]

Great, off to MagicBox to order now
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Apr 17, 2015 12:47PM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2015, freightpro wrote:
[quote]On Apr 17, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
If you can count to five. You can do this mate.. Super easy [/quote]

Great, off to MagicBox to order now [/quote]

We have it a lot cheaper in stock ready to ship! http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/evp-dvd-and-gimmick-by-alan-rorrison-dvd.html
Message: Posted by: alexlatorre (Apr 18, 2015 01:47AM)
Hey guys! Quick question: Do you need your own smartphone to perform this effect? Or can you be walking around without a phone?
Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 18, 2015 02:00AM)
Mine is arriving next week ~ will give it a try and hope the strap on won't be difficult . I like Soundzamazing so much yet didn't perform much in the end as there are just too much wires sadly . Felt kinda uncomfortable with the main unit in my inner breast pocket . Hopefully this one will work well for me .
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 18, 2015 02:01AM)
[quote]On Apr 18, 2015, alexlatorre wrote:
Hey guys! Quick question: Do you need your own smartphone to perform this effect? Or can you be walking around without a phone?
Thanks. [/quote]

You can perform using a borrowed phone ~~ Well 21st century and walking out without a phone ? Hum that is a little weird ...
Message: Posted by: bartleby (Apr 18, 2015 07:20AM)
[quote]On Apr 18, 2015, alexlatorre wrote:
Hey guys! Quick question: Do you need your own smartphone to perform this effect? Or can you be walking around without a phone?
Thanks. [/quote]

You need your own phone. Not just the spectator's.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 18, 2015 08:48AM)
Mine is arriving next week . I only knew there is no battery involved but need to plug into ur own phone so it can be activated right ?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 19, 2015 04:44AM)
That is correct.
Message: Posted by: I2C (Apr 19, 2015 06:03AM)
Wanted to offer a more critical view on this gimmick. Warning: I come from an engineering background, and have a very critical eye for quality and value. Also, I firmly believe the educated consumer is what drives product quality, value, and innovation. Knowledge is what protects us from getting ripped off.

First let's go over what attracted me to purchase EVP: On watching the EVP trailers, I had ideas of achieving the effect with plain jane consumer junk. However, the price led me to believe that EVP was taking a more sophisticated approach in technology. In other words, it was the prospect of seeing the application of innovative technology which led me to purchase EVP. With that context in mind, it is difficult to concisely communicate how I felt when I finally held EVP in all its glory. I was breathless - from a mixture of surreal shock and disappointment. The gimmick is as primitive as it gets, nor is the implementation elegant either.

As several people have stated, the product box/packaging is nice. Unfortunately, the packaging is *the* most impressive aspect of this gimmick. In fact, the cost of the packaging (card stock, magnets, package printing/finish, and foam inserts) works out to be more than the gimmick's cost - seriously, that is not an exaggeration.

If you've ever bought a new smartphone, EVP is the accessory which you've probably tossed out. The DVD will mention how the hardware is very special and "uni-directional"; that is no different than a low quality accessory which is included with all new smartphones coming in retail packaging.

The price of EVP, is downright insulting. We are not stupid enough to be convinced by pretty packaging and marketing. A fair market price for EVP, factoring in R&D, is no more than $9.99, and that's still leaving over 200% profit margins.

Also, EVP wouldn't have been so insulting if it was implemented better. As it is right now, there was minimal work and effort involved in product design and research. There is so much room for improvement at minimal additional cost.

Here's some constructive feedback to improve EVP.

Absolutely no-brainer, low cost, low tech *OBVIOUS* ideas that require minimal effort:
* The main part of the gimmick, has a cable which juts out at a right angle (almost as if it was an off the shelf part of something we all have!). A proper no-brainer design would've been to use use a part with a straight cable. Also, why is there a silicone rubber ring surrounding the tip of the gimmick? At first glance, I thought the gimmick was something that is meant to go into an orifice - it was rather confusing.
* There is a reflective circular sticker embedded into the back of the gimmick. Cheapest thing to do is to sharpie this out.
* The switch makes an audible click which is no different than your standard radioshack switch. A more thoughtful design would've used either a silent switch, or a dampener.
* Cabling. The cabling sleeve will eventually dissolve due to sweat. It's just, the lowest quality crap you can get.
* How to expand EVP's capabilities to work with any recording device (not just smartphones): Add this to the description "works on any recording device implementing an exposed microphone with auto gain adjustment, designed around a hand held usage case!"

Slightly higher cost, shows signs that some product design effort was involved:
* Main part of the gimmick is a spherical shaped device, that can be bulky if you opt for the sleeveless route. There are flatter, lower profile options readily available.
* Make the switch wireless.
* Make the entire *** gimmick wireless. Sounds like a stretch, until you realize that there are consumer products available right now, which essentially perform the same function wirelessly, for $25 (incredibly, I see a listing for $7.64 with free shipping if you order directly from China).
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 19, 2015 06:12AM)
Hum ... Well seem that you are disappointed about the method used yeah ? Well magic ... To be frank , mostly uses a very obvious method to achieving something amazing . You are not paying for the technology but rather , the effect . I will be receiving mine tomorrow and will write a review on my take of the device . Hopefully I will like it . Actually have you tried performing to someone ? Is the click in the switch very noticeable to the audience ?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 19, 2015 06:17AM)
Sorry you were not happy with it. This is what I use to do the effect and it does what it says in the tin however I'll take your concerns into consideration
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 19, 2015 07:10AM)
The switch is not noticeable in normal performance. We wanted the tactile feel to so you know when you have pressed it.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 19, 2015 07:20AM)
Youre paying for an idea. If you could make it better, why didn't you? Alan had the thought. it's worth money to pay creators for their ideas.
Those wireless speakers youre talking about, another pairing to get up and running, another set of batteries. Well two more sets. So let's see, the speaker, the transmitter and the switch all need their own batteries on your model.
You need to pair the speaker and transmitter. I have lots of wireless fm and bluetooth transmitters in my junk drawer. Sometimes simple is better. It's called "elegance"
James


[quote]On Apr 19, 2015, I2C wrote:
Wanted to offer a more critical view on this gimmick. Warning: I come from an engineering background, and have a very critical eye for quality and value. Also, I firmly believe the educated consumer is what drives product quality, value, and innovation. Knowledge is what protects us from getting ripped off.

First let's go over what attracted me to purchase EVP: On watching the EVP trailers, I had ideas of achieving the effect with plain jane consumer junk. However, the price led me to believe that EVP was taking a more sophisticated approach in technology. In other words, it was the prospect of seeing the application of innovative technology which led me to purchase EVP. With that context in mind, it is difficult to concisely communicate how I felt when I finally held EVP in all its glory. I was breathless - from a mixture of surreal shock and disappointment. The gimmick is as primitive as it gets, nor is the implementation elegant either.

As several people have stated, the product box/packaging is nice. Unfortunately, the packaging is *the* most impressive aspect of this gimmick. In fact, the cost of the packaging (card stock, magnets, package printing/finish, and foam inserts) works out to be more than the gimmick's cost - seriously, that is not an exaggeration.

If you've ever bought a new smartphone, EVP is the accessory which you've probably tossed out. The DVD will mention how the hardware is very special and "uni-directional"; that is no different than a low quality accessory which is included with all new smartphones coming in retail packaging.

The price of EVP, is downright insulting. We are not stupid enough to be convinced by pretty packaging and marketing. A fair market price for EVP, factoring in R&D, is no more than $9.99, and that's still leaving over 200% profit margins.

Also, EVP wouldn't have been so insulting if it was implemented better. As it is right now, there was minimal work and effort involved in product design and research. There is so much room for improvement at minimal additional cost.

Here's some constructive feedback to improve EVP.

Absolutely no-brainer, low cost, low tech *OBVIOUS* ideas that require minimal effort:
* The main part of the gimmick, has a cable which juts out at a right angle (almost as if it was an off the shelf part of something we all have!). A proper no-brainer design would've been to use use a part with a straight cable. Also, why is there a silicone rubber ring surrounding the tip of the gimmick? At first glance, I thought the gimmick was something that is meant to go into an orifice - it was rather confusing.
* There is a reflective circular sticker embedded into the back of the gimmick. Cheapest thing to do is to sharpie this out.
* The switch makes an audible click which is no different than your standard radioshack switch. A more thoughtful design would've used either a silent switch, or a dampener.
* Cabling. The cabling sleeve will eventually dissolve due to sweat. It's just, the lowest quality crap you can get.
* How to expand EVP's capabilities to work with any recording device (not just smartphones): Add this to the description "works on any recording device implementing an exposed microphone with auto gain adjustment, designed around a hand held usage case!"

Slightly higher cost, shows signs that some product design effort was involved:
* Main part of the gimmick is a spherical shaped device, that can be bulky if you opt for the sleeveless route. There are flatter, lower profile options readily available.
* Make the switch wireless.
* Make the entire *** gimmick wireless. Sounds like a stretch, until you realize that there are consumer products available right now, which essentially perform the same function wirelessly, for $25 (incredibly, I see a listing for $7.64 with free shipping if you order directly from China). [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 19, 2015 07:27AM)
We don't think of wireless but in general it brings around more issues than there worth in the real world. You can't please everyone and he's obviously allowed his opinion.. I'm just happy the over feedback is awesome
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 19, 2015 07:28AM)
Wireless devices are not always the best , the signal may get interfered by some random things in the room . That been said wireless controls can sometimes be unreliable though . You never know ... Let's be safe than sorry . Anyway I don't see how the wires are going to affect you very much ... It's better to be safe .
Message: Posted by: Amazing Magic Co (Apr 19, 2015 07:49AM)
I'm an XXL guy. It sounds like I should wait for the next round of improvements.

Dan.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 19, 2015 08:01AM)
The gimmick will work just fine for you mate. It's how it attaches to you that may be a problem.. Easily solved though
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 20, 2015 06:56AM)
Just got this . I must agree with the previous post saying that this gimmick does not take much money to make ... However for the idea , what I paid was really worth it . I never thought such device could be used this way though ~ This will definitely be something I will be doing . The entire unit is not difficult to carry around at all , just two straps and I will be able to create the magic ... Really like it ~
Message: Posted by: Dazzler UK (Apr 20, 2015 09:31AM)
Either way you look at it 1 week from now, 1 month from now even 1 year from now. This will still slay anyone guaranteed!
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Apr 21, 2015 04:41AM)
Could the device be built into a table top or lid of a brief case so if a phone was placed down on top, you could accomplish the effect? I ask as there seems to be an issue for large people fitting it to their bodies.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 21, 2015 05:44AM)
Mine works perfectly fine ~ U can though put it at other places but you have to make sure you can activate the trigger ~ the entire unit isn't that big to hide .
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 21, 2015 05:47AM)
Just tried this out on the street . Got a better reaction than I expected ! For a hundred dollars this is a real worker . After some performances I decided to stick with the spiritual presentation instead of using it as a revelation . Wow ...

Anyway , I think I read previously that there is a Facebook group on EVP right ?
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Apr 21, 2015 06:22AM)
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question Magician560
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 21, 2015 06:49AM)
Sorry on the late reply but yes I can be mounted to a table or adapted to attach to a jacked for a larger person
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 21, 2015 07:09AM)
So much buzz for this effect!

Love Alan's work.

Now, if only I was $100 richer :)
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Apr 21, 2015 07:48AM)
Thanks Alan
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 21, 2015 08:17AM)
[quote]On Apr 21, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
So much buzz for this effect!

Love Alan's work.

Now, if only I was $100 richer :) [/quote]

Go and magically double ur money ~~
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Apr 22, 2015 05:19AM)
[quote]On Apr 21, 2015, Magician560 wrote:
[quote]On Apr 21, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
So much buzz for this effect!

Love Alan's work.

Now, if only I was $100 richer :) [/quote]

Go and magically double ur money ~~ [/quote]

extreme burn
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 22, 2015 06:58AM)
[quote]On Apr 22, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
[quote]On Apr 21, 2015, Magician560 wrote:
[quote]On Apr 21, 2015, bgm4gic wrote:
So much buzz for this effect!

Love Alan's work.

Now, if only I was $100 richer :) [/quote]

Go and magically double ur money ~~ [/quote]

extreme burn [/quote]

Right ... That one was considered my favourite bill change though ~ such visualness ~
Message: Posted by: Timmyvie (Apr 22, 2015 07:49PM)
Sounds and looks great. The only thing that bothers me is that when I first saw it preformed I thought it was a smartphone app, one that maybe people didn't know about with the voice recorder. There is so much you can do now a days with a smartphone, that a real miracle like this, could be looked at as an app in the spectators mind. Still might purchase just to see what the gimmick is, even though from looking at the posts might kind of know what it is.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Apr 22, 2015 08:19PM)
[quote]On Apr 22, 2015, Timmyvie wrote:
Sounds and looks great. The only thing that bothers me is that when I first saw it preformed I thought it was a smartphone app, one that maybe people didn't know about with the voice recorder. There is so much you can do now a days with a smartphone, that a real miracle like this, could be looked at as an app in the spectators mind. Still might purchase just to see what the gimmick is, even though from looking at the posts might kind of know what it is. [/quote]

If it was on your phone I would agree but it's on the specs phone. Your just opening their recorder app and hitting play. So it can't be an app because they or you didn't download it on their phone. And I don't think a mysterious function of the recorder app, which doesn't exist mind you, can explain how that voice got on said recorder and is answering your specific questions. So even if what your saying did exist, it still doesn't explain how an interactive ghostly voice got on their phone.

Get it, you'll like it!
Message: Posted by: Timmyvie (Apr 23, 2015 08:34PM)
Pendletonthe3rd,

Thanks, that does make sense. Sometimes it is hard not to think like a magician, I will look into in now.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 23, 2015 11:33PM)
This had worked well for me . Did it on quite a lot of people and after every performance I became more impressed with it . Awesome product !
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 24, 2015 02:40AM)
However it seemed that my recorded sound was weird on my computer ... Anyone has recorded some good quality voice and can share with me ?
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 24, 2015 03:03AM)
Hi Magician 560,there's an app called voice changer with loads of different voices and it has a really good haunted voice
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 24, 2015 03:39AM)
Cool :) Thanks a lot for the recommendation , downloading it now .
Message: Posted by: Amrit (Apr 24, 2015 04:28PM)
Just thought I would post an update - my pebble arrived the other day and thought I would give it a try with EVP to see how well it works and am happy to say it worked perfectly. It worked every single time without any problems whereas with the switch I would have constant problems with whether or not I had pressed the button hard enough for it to work.

@Alan I sent the selfie of me and my EVP over to you via Facebook.
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Apr 24, 2015 05:03PM)
[quote]On Mar 27, 2015, Jason Brumbalow wrote:
Hi George, yes, this works with Android, iPhone, Windows phone.... any smart device with a Voice recorder app. [/quote]

Quote
any smart device with a Voice recorder app.

Does this mean they need to have a Voice recorder APP? on their smart phone, not just there ordinary voice recorder that comes with their phone?,sorry if I am being a little dense ,thinking about it for some time but after the way my phone has been playing up with apps,i know you don't need your own phone,right?,just fed up with wasting me money ,this is not cheap and more then I would normaly spend on one trick,plus the big plus is I am crap with instructions,so do you get a DVD instuction, and how complexed is it to set up?sorry so many questions.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Apr 24, 2015 05:20PM)
Ordinary voice recorder will work just fine, no special app required, in fact anything that will record will work ;)
Message: Posted by: BlakeAdams (Apr 24, 2015 09:32PM)
I love this yet I'm sad because the switch is not reliable for me.......i don't want to spend more money on a pebble watch
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 25, 2015 12:22AM)
It works flawlessly on my iPhone 4s and my iPod touch. What device do you have?
James

[quote]On Apr 24, 2015, BlakeAdams wrote:
I love this yet I'm sad because the switch is not reliable for me.......i don't want to spend more money on a pebble watch [/quote]
Message: Posted by: BlakeAdams (Apr 25, 2015 12:24AM)
IPhone 6
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Apr 25, 2015 01:28AM)
I've had this for a couple of weeks but not been able to use it as I can't get the voices into iTunes not "teccy" enough,will be putting it up for sale
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 25, 2015 02:04AM)
U could just record and send it to urself . Which is what I did , although the quality of the sound seem to decline by quite a bit , it still works .
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 25, 2015 02:06AM)
I tried the effect on some Samsung phone users and found the recording to be much less clearer than on iPhone uses ... Where exactly does Samsung phone picks up recordings ?
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Apr 25, 2015 02:25AM)
[quote]On Apr 24, 2015, rasp wrote:
Ordinary voice recorder will work just fine, no special app required, in fact anything that will record will work ;) [/quote]
Thank you Rasp,i may well push the button for this.
Message: Posted by: Amrit (Apr 25, 2015 01:07PM)
[quote]On Apr 25, 2015, BlakeAdams wrote:
I love this yet I'm sad because the switch is not reliable for me.......i don't want to spend more money on a pebble watch [/quote]


I had this problem too Blake, have you tried mounting the switch the other way around instead? I found mounting it the other way around (so wires come out the switch towards me instead out outwards) worked a little better in activating the switch and was also more accurate but then having a thick coat or jacket on top caused problems (needed to constantly re-adjust) and this just got annoying. Doing this in a long sleeve shirt was great but the click from the switch was a problem especially in a room where there's not much ambient noise to cover it.


[quote]On Apr 25, 2015, Magician560 wrote:
I tried the effect on some Samsung phone users and found the recording to be much less clearer than on iPhone uses ... Where exactly does Samsung phone picks up recordings ? [/quote]

Found out that the microphone (at least on the new Samsung S6 phone) is at the bottom along with the speaker and there is also a secondary microphone at the top of the phone as well. I tested this out on my own S6 and found that in the sound recorder the microphone in use is the one on the bottom end of the phone (just like on a Iphone) and NOT the one at the top.
Message: Posted by: davidjames69 (Apr 25, 2015 01:55PM)
What he's not telling people is : YOU ( NEED A COMPUTER OR LAPTOP ) That Records!!!Had To Dend Mine Back for Refund..
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 25, 2015 01:58PM)
David there are many apps in the app store that let you record ur sounds and play. You do not need a laptop.. Also folks. If you have any issues feel free to pm me.. I'm happy to help
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 25, 2015 02:02PM)
As a smal heads up . This is the one I tend to use for iPhone. There are hundreds of them abd most will work perfectly with Evp

Voice Record Pro by Dayana Networks Ltd.
https://appsto.re/gb/d1KMG.i
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 25, 2015 11:08PM)
[quote]On Apr 26, 2015, Amrit wrote:
[quote]On Apr 25, 2015, BlakeAdams wrote:
I love this yet I'm sad because the switch is not reliable for me.......i don't want to spend more money on a pebble watch [/quote]


I had this problem too Blake, have you tried mounting the switch the other way around instead? I found mounting it the other way around (so wires come out the switch towards me instead out outwards) worked a little better in activating the switch and was also more accurate but then having a thick coat or jacket on top caused problems (needed to constantly re-adjust) and this just got annoying. Doing this in a long sleeve shirt was great but the click from the switch was a problem especially in a room where there's not much ambient noise to cover it.


[quote]On Apr 25, 2015, Magician560 wrote:
I tried the effect on some Samsung phone users and found the recording to be much less clearer than on iPhone uses ... Where exactly does Samsung phone picks up recordings ? [/quote]

Found out that the microphone (at least on the new Samsung S6 phone) is at the bottom along with the speaker and there is also a secondary microphone at the top of the phone as well. I tested this out on my own S6 and found that in the sound recorder the microphone in use is the one on the bottom end of the phone (just like on a Iphone) and NOT the one at the top. [/quote]

Oh lol ... I took my tablet and finally noticed the small hope there ... I realized many are using phone cases that might block the little recording hole . Next time I might need to take off their phone case and perform it ... Thanks
Message: Posted by: Amrit (Apr 27, 2015 01:33AM)
[quote]On Apr 26, 2015, Magician560 wrote:
Oh lol ... I took my tablet and finally noticed the small hope there ... I realized many are using phone cases that might block the little recording hole . Next time I might need to take off their phone case and perform it ... Thanks [/quote]


Another thing to note, which I found, was that there is a loss of quality and audio levels when you transfer the audio to the phone to play it back, especially in my case as I was putting the audio through some filters to give it a scary feel and so anyone who would hear it would not know it was my voice. I found the best way to determine if a phone will be able to pick it up was to test it in a quiet room with the volume on the phone right up (through EVP). If I could hear it then that's good (for performance in a similarly quiet room/environment you just set the volume lower) but if you can't hear it even when the volume is on max then it is probably just too quiet so the phone you borrow from a spectator may not even pick it up or it'll be very, very faint to the point that it would be a struggle for you and your spectators to hear it.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Apr 27, 2015 03:23AM)
Yeah . True that the quality will decrease . For me , I just download some recording app and send the recording via email to my computer first then use iTunes to transfer it back to the phone . I felt that the phone's recorder seems to be good .
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 27, 2015 11:32AM)
Use the app I postd before mate.. It looses no quality thankfully!
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Apr 28, 2015 10:09AM)
In keeping with the rules of "latest and greatest", I don't want to see any exposure, but I am interested in learning how this might be different AND better than just using a simple stuffed animal recorder/player? They are small enough to conceal and super easy to operate. I have done almost the exact routine as the demo using this $7 device. If anyone can answer this without exposure, that would be great. thx.

KJ
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 28, 2015 01:30PM)
You can fully customise everything to what ever quality you like.. Store as many sounds as you want and it takes up next to no extra pocket space.. The over all qiity is also far superior.
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Apr 28, 2015 05:22PM)
Thanks, Alan. There are significant restrictions to using the "stuffy recorder". Here are some of the limitations: 10 second limit, replay must be continuous, and the device creates a hissing sound.

KJ
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 28, 2015 06:52PM)
What is the stuffy recorder ?
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Apr 29, 2015 10:13AM)
They are very small devices that go into stuffed animals to make them talk. They are activated by squeezing the stuffed animal. They are round with a button on the front. They have a switch on the back that has "record", "off", and "play". You set it to "record". You hold down the button and speak into the microphone. When done, you release the button and you have recorded a message. You then move the switch to "play". Now, when you press the button, the recording plays. Because they are so small, they can be hidden in the hand, and they are easy to operate because all you have to do is squeeze to press the button. You can hold one under a cellphone and activate the play feature. However, as I said earlier, you can only record 10 seconds, and the playback has a bit of a hissing noise. When I use these, I either make sure to press the record on the phone at the same time as the play on the device, or make sure there is some ambient noise. Also, I have several that are different colors. I can repeat the effect with different outcomes. I'm sure this is a very low tech approach to what you are doing, and with it's limitations.

KJ
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Apr 29, 2015 10:28AM)
Sorry I though you where talking about an app lol. Yes Evp govesnu way more freedom and better sound In recordings.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 3, 2015 09:36AM)
Small heads up. I've had a few emails asking and thought I'd answer here. YES you can use and assistant to load sounds for you with this but you can do it solo.
Message: Posted by: darus (May 6, 2015 05:33AM)
Hi Alan, I wrote a Pm. I'm not so sure to found the right Alan Rorrison on facebook, to send you my Evp selfie.
Could someone send me the correct profile in Pm?
Thanks.
Darus
www.darus.it
Message: Posted by: Amrit (May 6, 2015 10:33AM)
[quote]On May 6, 2015, darus wrote:
Hi Alan, I wrote a Pm. I'm not so sure to found the right Alan Rorrison on facebook, to send you my Evp selfie.
Could someone send me the correct profile in Pm?
Thanks.
Darus
www.darus.it [/quote]


Sent mine and also not had anything back so am wondering if I sent it to the correct one as well.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 6, 2015 12:22PM)
Hey folks. Super busy with gigs so I'm super sorry for the late reply.. Pm me on Facebook to be added to the group. I will need to see pop though
Message: Posted by: darus (May 6, 2015 05:45PM)
Alan I sent to Alan Rorrison my Evp selfie but don't know if it's your profile. Could you check your facebook message please? Or write by pm your correct profile? Thanks a lot.
Darus
Www.darus.it/en
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 7, 2015 11:04AM)
His picture is right there on the cover. You can see his tattoo on his left arm. Unless...
James
Message: Posted by: plainman007 (May 12, 2015 07:02AM)
I got a unit that doesn't work. It was not able to project any sound at all. I got an extremely weak unit or something is wrong. I know its a low volume device. But I got a no volume device. Even held the gimmick upto my ear and still no sound but a faint almost inaudible whisper. The control part works fine. But theres no sound.

I ordered from Penguin Magic. Waited for 2 weeks. Paid heavy customs duty and finally this. When I turned to them for help they refused to spend even a minute to assist. They refused to even listen, saying I didn't know what I was talking about. But when I forced him to listen, when all he was trying to do was cut me off, he finally relented and said to send it back in for a return.

This is the service we get for a product at this price. Given the simplicity of whats included, despite the grand packing and box. Flat out refusal to help whatsoever. I have informed them on the same day after receiving and trying it out.

Im trying to reach Alan Rorrison but there seems to be no response even after pming him and posting on threads here. He was replying promptly before I bought though. Does someone have his mail id ?
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (May 12, 2015 07:28AM)
If you have a thrust worthy local magic shop , I suggest ordering from them instead , this will save troubles of shipping fees and products can be easily replaced ~ but unless there isn't a local store near you ... ordering from Penguin is quite a good choice ... From what I remembered their customer service is not bad ~
Message: Posted by: plainman007 (May 12, 2015 08:05AM)
Actually they used to be quite good. Now I don't know what's become of them. My total order costed about $200. Out of which this effect was $99. I recieved it in this in the evening. Tried it for several hours, even holding the gimmick actually onto the target phones mic, still theres no sound carry over. Im sure that the principle involved needs at least some sound to be given out to be able to record onto the target phone. I got a unit that just doesn't produce any sound. Its so weak that holding the gimmick right to your ear you cant hear anything. With it pointing into your ear ofcourse. This is the issue with my gimmick.

To be frank its not such a handsfree and smooth method as its portrayed to be. It does have wires running down your body etc and has a very sensitive method that would likely not work everywhere. In simple words it is a finicky trick that can only be worked on certain occasions, but I'm willing to live with that and at least use it on some occasion where I might have a chance to for the blunder of picking it up. But expecting me to just keep a dud that they sent instead of sorting out the problem is untenable. Nobody from penguin or the creater is even replying or talking about it. All I did was honestly buy an original from the creator. So at least Café members now know what to expect in terms of support if you have a problem.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (May 12, 2015 08:30AM)
If you are not using IOS , there might be some issues with your phone or connection if the music is playing softly . I used to have a headphone which plays really softly on my android tablet and works fine on Steve Jobs's creation ~ But if everything fails ... I wish you good luck in getting a new set ASAP ~
Message: Posted by: Amrit (May 12, 2015 09:59AM)
Plainman007, have you tried to play any pre-recorded audio files such as a music file? Also, I know this will sound like a typical Windows tech support answer but check that your volume level is up too because after you plug in the device the phone will switch to headphone mode so the volume level changes. If after that it still doesn't work it's possible it is a unit that may need replacing.
Message: Posted by: plainman007 (May 12, 2015 12:35PM)
Hi Amrit,

Yes I did try that too. And also checked volume settings after plugging in the jack because I do know that android remembers a different safe volume setting for headphones. No Luck.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 14, 2015 05:57AM)
Penguin are usually good at replacing faulty products . Unfortunately on mass productions the odd fault can slip through... And just to answer the "finicky" question. U can have this set on you absolutely sleeveless and load sounds acutely every time... With everything. Some practice is needed but give it thereafter it deserves and it will pay you back tenfold..

If there is any questions I can answer to make it work easier for u, feel free to pm me
Message: Posted by: plainman007 (May 14, 2015 08:41AM)
Hi Alan, as I just pm'ed you. It is definitely a faulty unit. As there is zero. Or probably a fraction of human hearing sound that comes from the gimmick. But he keeps saying its a low volume device. Im not that naive in physics. If its directional and a phone mic can pick it up then the human ear when holding it right upto the ear at full volume should be able to hear it. There is near zero sound coming out of the gimmick.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (May 14, 2015 08:45AM)
The way this gimmick is designed is actually not that suitable for sleeveless though ~ I've tried a few times recording with the gimmick attached to my shirt . The sound is not as clear as when performed with sleeve , but still it works perfectly when in a not-so-noisy situation . So I elevated the volume of the original recording and found out it works fine .
Message: Posted by: plainman007 (May 15, 2015 02:11AM)
Its not practical in certain situations. But it can be used well in certain situations, if and when the gimmick works properly that is. On stage might be ok. If your willing to wear it throughout the show.
Message: Posted by: Amrit (May 15, 2015 02:51AM)
Since getting the Pebble to use along side this I've found that I can set up very quickly to perform this since the main unit can just go into a pocket and I can use the pebble to do all the work.

I may have mentioned it earlier too but I found I also had to do what Magician560 had to do by elevating the volume of my recording at the source. I was originally recording the responses in a whisper and by the time they had been edited and copied to my phone I had lost a significant amount of volume level so even at max volume (on my phone) a spectators phone would barely pick up the responses. I then increased the level at which I did my original recording which helped resolve the problem - that way I could decrease the volume as needed in a quiet environment but in a louder environment with ambient noise I was able to put the volume up enough that a spectators phone could still pick up the responses clearly.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (May 15, 2015 08:35AM)
I primarily use thensleeess hook up and leave it on me all day for most days... The gimmick works fine as dos ripped In the tutorial . I'm sorry your having issue and as said before feel free to pm me and I'll try and solve any issue you have
Message: Posted by: george1953 (May 18, 2015 07:00AM)
Just ordered this from alakazam then today, a day later I get an email saying that its out of stock and they will send one as soon as new stock arrives. WHY do companies not state that its out of stock on the website, penguin do, had I known I would not have ordered it. I will be contacting alakazam today about the matter, I have parted with my money and have NO idea when this will arrive.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (May 18, 2015 08:18AM)
I know its a bit late for you now but we have stock in the UK ready to ship, we are cheaper also!

http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/evp-dvd-and-gimmick-by-alan-rorrison-dvd.html
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (May 18, 2015 08:50AM)
[quote]On May 18, 2015, george1953 wrote:
Just ordered this from alakazam then today, a day later I get an email saying that its out of stock and they will send one as soon as new stock arrives. WHY do companies not state that its out of stock on the website, penguin do, had I known I would not have ordered it. I will be contacting alakazam today about the matter, I have parted with my money and have NO idea when this will arrive. [/quote]

This is Typical Alakazam I have been caught to many times

I would call them and cancel and get from Saturn magic at least you know it's in stock and lower price !
Message: Posted by: Infographicmagicreviews (May 30, 2015 10:53PM)
Hi guys

This is my Infographic Magic Review on EVP

I can only upload a small thumbnail due to file limit.

You can find the full size infographic link in the review thread here.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?forum=109&topic=588797

If the link does not work see the full size directly here


http://infographicmagicreviews.blogspot.ca/2015/05/evp-by-alan-rorrison.html
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Jun 5, 2015 04:56AM)
Awsome review cheers.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Jun 5, 2015 08:44PM)
Got mine at last and have had a play with it for a couple of days now. I have a Samsung galaxy s4 and you have to be careful to re set the volume AFTER you plug in the speaker or the volume will be adjusted too low, some sort of safety feature to make sure we don't deafen ourselves.
I do a lot of video editing and have cyberlink power director 13 which comes bundled with audio director 5 which I have found to be great for producing the EVP files . I can change the pitch of the voice without affecting the speed, most software just speeds up the recording to make a higher pitch voice and slows it down for a deeper sounding voice. I can also change my own voice to that of a woman or one that works very well for EVP a child. I can add any number of effects and without any loss of quality I can boost the sound levels etc.
I will offer to alter your sound files if you want to use any of these features, just pm me with your email then you can send me your sound file and tell me how you want it altered, I will do it and mail the altered file back to you. I will offer this for Café members free of charge (magicians helping magicians) so if you need your EVP altering just shoot me a PM.
Message: Posted by: Brad Jeffers (Jun 11, 2015 03:50PM)
[quote]On April 19, 2015, Xiqual wrote:
You're paying for an idea.[/quote]

[quote]On April 19, 2015, Magicia560 wrote:
You are not paying for the technology, but rather the effect.[/quote]

[quote]On Mar 27, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
The effect of creating or recording noises from spirits predates all of us.[/quote]

[quote]On Apr 28, 2015, 1KJ wrote:
I am interested in how this might be different and better that just using a simple stuffed animal recorder/player? I have done almost the exact routine as the demo using this $7 devise.[/quote]

1KJ,

You have done yourself a great disservice by disclosing your method here. You could have sold your idea to your fellow magicians for perhaps somewhere in the $100 - $300 range. You would, of course, include the necessary hardware and an instructional dvd.

You could call yours EZ-EVP.
Message: Posted by: entermagic (Jun 11, 2015 11:52PM)
This one... I don't see the incredible effect. The first that pop up in my mind wroks perfectly and works pefectly without to buy any special gimmick because many of you already have it. Bluetooth ****-***. There is a way to do the same thing without gimmick for this reason I don't like it.
Message: Posted by: Robmonster (Jun 23, 2015 04:06AM)
Is there a Facebook group for this effect? I see previous posts here mention to contact Alan with proof of purchase. I've messaged him on FB a few times on Facebook but haven't yet been added to a group to discuss this trick.

Has it not been set up yet?
Message: Posted by: Robmonster (Jun 23, 2015 11:31AM)
Just found out that Alan is on his hols at the moment, it'll get sorted when he returns so all good.
Message: Posted by: Crotalidae75 (Jun 29, 2015 05:20PM)
Just a word of warning about EVP, and cemeteries as locations.

There is some belief in the paranormal investigation community that graveyards harbor mostly hostile and even parasitic entities, rather than human spirits. There are reports of encounters with aggressive black-hooded entities, which some believe to guard "portals" between this world and the afterlife -- or other dimensions, perhaps. Further, some believe that there are such things as "energy parasites" which feed on the residual energy from corpses.

I don't think EVP is a joke, nor is it (always) fake. It has a long history, and was discovered by Konstantins Raudive, in the 1960s. During his research over the years, he was reported to record over 100,000 audiotapes of EVP.

EVP is believed to be a sort of summoning act, inviting extradimensional (of which the "afterlife" would quality) entities to communicate with you. Unfortunately there is just no way to control what comes through, and I've heard some rather nasty EVP. It's not unknown for investigators to get sworn at by hostile beings.

Though most troublemaker entities are human, there is still a small possibility of contacting non-human ones.

Regardless of belief (and skepticism) I'd advise caution when dealing with EVP. It may actually be possible to contact something, have it enter your life, and not be able to easily shut that door when it becomes a problem.



Quite frankly, I think you guys are playing with fire...
Message: Posted by: Robmonster (Jun 29, 2015 05:25PM)
We do card tricks for a living, I think we'll be ok.....
Message: Posted by: Crotalidae75 (Jun 29, 2015 05:28PM)
So?

EVP isn't a trick. You can get intellible answers without any kind of trickery.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Jun 29, 2015 05:34PM)
Don't even bother going there Crotalidae, I've tried and just get shot down everytime. Let them think what they want and let them just keep thinking that there is no such thing as paranormal - yet they are quick enough to post and comment with out having no experience or even investigated to see if anything really is out there to make such assumption, yet they have to be right because their 'opinion' always is.
Message: Posted by: Crotalidae75 (Jun 29, 2015 05:40PM)
I'd agree. In fact, I'd almost recommended, believe it or not, not listening to what *I* have to say.

Instead they should be asking paranormal researchers and parapsychologists.

Someone here said I was blunt. I suppose I am, so let me say this: Even the most skillful and baffling of magic is insignificant next to what one can encounter if you push far enough into the paranormal realms.
Message: Posted by: Robmonster (Jun 30, 2015 03:42AM)
I hope you guys are as vocal on any thread discussing a ghost deck or spirit slates
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Jun 30, 2015 04:23AM)
If ghost decks were real or spirit slates were real, we would be. Any que the sarcastic people and idiotic responses saying that ghost decks are real decks of cards made of cardboard - which is real unlike supposedly spirit voices. Don't bother guys, I've saved you the pathetic response. Stick to what you know about the paranormal - and that is nothing, yet you come on here going on like your an investigator like me. Oh did I mention I was one... Yes that was sarcastic - if you can't beat um join um
Message: Posted by: Robmonster (Jun 30, 2015 04:35AM)
You do know that this is just a trick, right? Regardless of whether one believes it is /also/ a 'real' phenomena ( and I think everyone can believe what they choose on that aspect without ridicule) the people who you are haranguing on this thread are here to read about a trick that just so happens to be called EVP. You really are berating the wrong audience here, and I suspect THAT is why you are receiving the response you are. I'm not quite sure what you were hoping for.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Jun 30, 2015 06:12AM)
Well if you bothered to follow and read through the whole thread, you will realise that all I tried to do in the beginning was add to the whole performance and give helpful advise of how to perform this in a more convincing way - because I actually conduct this experiment for real when investigating. But slowly started to get attacked with comments which had to try and leave me to defend.

I still stick by who ever performs this wants or should want to try and portray this is real what you captured, and you not performing this as a trick - as it would be pointless for the audience to think it's a trick. Whether they may think this anyway after, but why even give them the chance to think it's just a trick on outset - again there is no point in doing it. That's why on the actual vid demo and performed by Troy etc - it's was played as if it was real and a real EVP caught. So in the beginning me trying to give advise on how real EVP sessions are conducted etc to help with the acting and selling of you capturing a real EVP - as in this is ecactly what it would look like.
Message: Posted by: Robmonster (Jun 30, 2015 06:19AM)
I did 'bother' to read the whole thread, cheers.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Jun 30, 2015 08:07AM)
Oh right, only because you asked if I knew it was a trick - yet in my previous posts you can see I know it is, and my reasons for the posts.
Message: Posted by: Robmonster (Jun 30, 2015 08:10AM)
It was a rhetorical question. I wasn't expecting an answer ( although I left my phone voice recorder on while asking it, just in case)
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Jun 30, 2015 08:34AM)
Haha excellent - if you do pick up a real EVP don't forget to post it 👍 second thoughts don't bother as they will just say you used Alan's EVP to create the real EVP
Message: Posted by: Brad Jeffers (Jul 1, 2015 11:02PM)
[quote]On Jun 29, 2015, Crotalidae75 wrote
Just a word of warning about EVP ... [/quote]

Crotalidae75,
I think your observations about EVP might find a better reception [url=http://talkparanormal.com/forum-11.html]HERE[/url].
Message: Posted by: Crotalidae75 (Jul 2, 2015 01:29PM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2015, Brad Jeffers wrote:
[quote]On Jun 29, 2015, Crotalidae75 wrote
Just a word of warning about EVP ... [/quote]

Crotalidae75,
I think your observations about EVP might find a better reception [url=http://talkparanormal.com/forum-11.html]HERE[/url]. [/quote]

*sighs* I just knew I'd get this sort of response. My warning was sincere. Given the nebulous nature of the phenomenon, I'd still strongly advise caution when dealing with it.

There are too many reports of coherent, meaningful phrases being recorded for me to dismiss it as mere pareidolia. To be honest, I think a lot of it really is, but I think some of may not be. It might be a big mistake to assume that a given phenomenon has a single conventional explanation.

I would also strongly advise learning about the history of EVP -- and listen to [i]both sides[/i] of the argument, for and against a paranormal origin. Above all else, keep an open mind regarding these things.

You could start by reading about Konstantins Raudive.
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Jul 2, 2015 01:58PM)
Arh, Konstantins Raudive I remember back in my days when I was an associate for the society for pychical research I read up on EVP and made a few tape recordings,interesting stuff for sure, I do tend to beleive you can imagine you are heating voices as sitting in a dark room you can convince yourself of a presence,scare yourself.So I am a little more skeptical these day's.
Message: Posted by: Crotalidae75 (Jul 2, 2015 02:28PM)
[quote]On Jul 2, 2015, Fire Starter wrote:
Arh, Konstantins Raudive I remember back in my days when I was an associate for the society for pychical research I read up on EVP and made a few tape recordings,interesting stuff for sure, I do tend to beleive you can imagine you are heating voices as sitting in a dark room you can convince yourself of a presence,scare yourself.So I am a little more skeptical these day's. [/quote]

We should always be skeptical, but yet, not too skeptical. I think one must be careful not to go from being carefully skeptical to simply dismissive. I think an agnostic sort of approach works best for these sorts of things. Personally, I wish more serious, well-funded research would be done on things of this nature.

Of course, many such purported phenomena appear to be very difficult to study -- assuming they exist at all.

I suppose the best example would be the whole UFO phenemonon.

In fact, today is "World UFO Day".

(I tried to find a little UFO emoticon below, but there isn't one, apparently.)
Message: Posted by: Robmonster (Jul 3, 2015 03:49AM)
[quote]On Jul 2, 2015, Crotalidae75 wrote:
[quote]On Jul 1, 2015, Brad Jeffers wrote:
[quote]On Jun 29, 2015, Crotalidae75 wrote
Just a word of warning about EVP ... [/quote]

Crotalidae75,
I think your observations about EVP might find a better reception [url=http://talkparanormal.com/forum-11.html]HERE[/url]. [/quote]

*sighs* I just knew I'd get this sort of response. My warning was sincere. Given the nebulous nature of the phenomenon, I'd still strongly advise caution when dealing with it.

There are too many reports of coherent, meaningful phrases being recorded for me to dismiss it as mere pareidolia. To be honest, I think a lot of it really is, but I think some of may not be. It might be a big mistake to assume that a given phenomenon has a single conventional explanation.

I would also strongly advise learning about the history of EVP -- and listen to [i]both sides[/i] of the argument, for and against a paranormal origin. Above all else, keep an open mind regarding these things.

You could start by reading about Konstantins Raudive. [/quote]


Brad isn't being snippy, but genuinely helpful IMO. If you want to discuss actual EVP then that is the place, not on a magic forum. We're just here for the card tricks and the hype.
Message: Posted by: tempmagician (Jul 21, 2015 09:39AM)
Just had mine arrive and wanted to throw in some comments:

Generally, I'm impressed.

My BIG concern is that whilst most of the equipment is great, one part looks like something you'd get from a dollar store (the thing that normally goes in your ear). I can't see this lasting many performances or much travel. I have a feeling just taking it on/off is enough to do damage. Caution is advised on the dvd just when setting the thing up, but I really can't see this lasting and what happens when it breaks? Another $100 in cold blood to replace something that costs $2?

I'd love to have also seen some downloadable voices (perhaps of pro actors) that you can just grab and go! Maybe this is something that can be added to the learning section.


[quote]On Apr 25, 2015, Alan Rorrison wrote:
As a smal heads up . This is the one I tend to use for iPhone. There are hundreds of them abd most will work perfectly with Evp

Voice Record Pro by Dayana Networks Ltd.
https://appsto.re/gb/d1KMG.i [/quote]


Hi Alan,

What's wrong with the recording device on the iphone?
Message: Posted by: Daston (Feb 2, 2016 12:36PM)
Regarding using the pebble watch as a silent trigger for EVP, do you have to touch the buttons on the watch to play/pause the recording each time or can you do it with a wrist motion?
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Feb 2, 2016 12:41PM)
If you use assistant+ on ur pebble you cna set up motions.
Message: Posted by: Tech Head Steve (Sep 16, 2016 12:06PM)
Just received this today & my two penneth...

WHAT A WASTE OF PACKAGING!!! The packaging is double the size needed, why do small things have to come in big boxed??? Grrr just send it in bubble wrap, save on packaging & postage costs...

Other than that, I'm loving the device, just finished the video and now gonna have a play.

Did Mr Rorrison mention somewhere in this thread that he was working on an app for this, has this happened?
Message: Posted by: JD_UK (Jun 21, 2017 05:25PM)
Just read whole thread, was a right toughy to get to some actual reviews. I have learnt one thing though; there's some right fruit loops in this forum!
Message: Posted by: Cadabra (Sep 30, 2017 12:49PM)
Magic websites may not show you the secret but Amazon does. Luckily laymen never go to or search Amazon.
Message: Posted by: Tech Head Steve (Dec 14, 2017 02:15AM)
Message to Alan Rorrison, I've FB messaged you twice, 16/09/16 & 29/09/16 re joining the FB group bu I never received a reply from you?
Also did anything happen with the app?
Message: Posted by: Tech Head Steve (Dec 21, 2017 08:40PM)
Mr Rorrison. You accepted my facebook friend ages ago but you have ignored all 3 of my requests to join the facebook group re EVP which I have purchased.

Have I done something to offend you (as we have never spoken I don't see how?)

Please reply.
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Dec 22, 2017 06:26PM)
Well, regardless of whether you offended him before, safe money says you may have now... 🤔
Message: Posted by: Tech Head Steve (Dec 24, 2017 07:25AM)
[quote]On Dec 23, 2017, MaxfieldsMagic wrote:
Well, regardless of whether you offended him before, safe money says you may have now... 🤔 [/quote]

Yeah well maybe now but very poor customer service. There's a FB page for people who have purchased EVP.
I have purchased & can prove.
I requested Alan Rorrisons FB friend which he accepted.
I then asked him 3 times politely if I could be added to the FB group.
He read each message (as facebook displays)
And ignored...

Feel I have a right to be disgruntled & shall but nothing more from this chap.
Message: Posted by: nattefrost (Dec 25, 2017 06:06AM)
Tech Head Steve-He read the messages but did not reply?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Dec 25, 2017 08:39PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2017, Tech Head Steve wrote:
Message to Alan Rorrison, I've FB messaged you twice, 16/09/16 & 29/09/16 re joining the FB group bu I never received a reply from you?
Also did anything happen with the app? [/quote]

He’s only ever here when he’s selling something. Just like many other members, sadly.
Message: Posted by: MF Tom (Oct 3, 2018 11:19AM)
Get EVP and save 25 usd only this week at: https://www.mystiquefactory.com/products/evp-dvd-and-gimmick-by-alan-rorrison

Best,
Tom
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Oct 3, 2018 11:21AM)
Where is the FB page?
I have had this since release and never knew there was one.
Message: Posted by: mayhem (Oct 3, 2018 05:01PM)
I didn't realize there was a FB page either. Looking through the forum feed, looks like you message Alan with a selfie of the product and he'll give access. I guess I'll try that and see what happens.
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Oct 3, 2018 05:18PM)
Not at all. I'm not selling anything just now and I'm here. I do tend to drop in and have a peek here daily and I'm only a pm away.


The Facebook group is there but I've not popped in to it in a while. I'm saddly a little busy with a 10 week old baby.


The app was there but I just didn't have time to update it however you do get Everything you need with the product. Enjoy it folks
[quote]On Dec 25, 2017, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Dec 14, 2017, Tech Head Steve wrote:
Message to Alan Rorrison, I've FB messaged you twice, 16/09/16 & 29/09/16 re joining the FB group bu I never received a reply from you?
Also did anything happen with the app? [/quote]

He’s only ever here when he’s selling something. Just like many other members, sadly. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Oct 3, 2018 05:21PM)
Sorry you feel left out but as previously stated I've not been in or around the group in a while.

Feel free to pm me and I'll add u.

[quote]On Dec 24, 2017, Tech Head Steve wrote:
[quote]On Dec 23, 2017, MaxfieldsMagic wrote:
Well, regardless of whether you offended him before, safe money says you may have now... 🤔 [/quote]

Yeah well maybe now but very poor customer service. There's a FB page for people who have purchased EVP.
I have purchased & can prove.
I requested Alan Rorrisons FB friend which he accepted.
I then asked him 3 times politely if I could be added to the FB group.
He read each message (as facebook displays)
And ignored...

Feel I have a right to be disgruntled & shall but nothing more from this chap. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Oct 3, 2018 05:33PM)
Https://www.facebook.com/groups/928474483871714/
Message: Posted by: Peter Morrissey (May 24, 2019 03:17PM)
Just took the plunge and bought this. So many conflicting reviews I don't know what to think. Single Most expensive magic prop I've bought so I hope it's great! Guess we will see.....
Message: Posted by: Peter Morrissey (Jun 3, 2019 02:04PM)
Expecting this in the post tomorrow. Came up with a fun if somewhat unethical presentation. If you kept the device only for hecklers, someone who is really busting your chops, you could say.....

"Ok buddy, you want to know how I do it? My invisible friend helps me. Tells me your card. For real! Let me show you. Let me borrow your phone a sec....

Do you know why were here? Voice: he does not belieeeve.

What should we do? (Make him belieeeve)

How should I do it? (Give him the deckkkkkkk)

He picks a card and you do haunted deck routine. Mr heckler goes home with **** in his pants.

Unethical? Yep. Fun to skin a heckler? You bet!
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 4, 2019 11:38AM)
My fav trick around Halloween.
Alan posted today on the FB page that he is uploading various sound files.
Message: Posted by: Peter Morrissey (Jun 8, 2019 01:49PM)
So it has arrived! And I like what I've gotten. Only messed around with it on my own so far but I've managed to separate the price from what it is.

Is it over priced? Maybe. Is it money well spent regardless? Maybe. I can see there isn't 10 euro worth of tech in this much less 90. However, I'm never likely to try put this together myself so , if that's the price , that's the price . I've made my peace that it's not gonna be an iPhone or something in that lovely package.

But I love the method, I like the set up. I'm using it with my iPod nano so it's lighter in my pocket. So looking forward to frying some people!!
Message: Posted by: Peter Morrissey (Jun 11, 2019 04:54PM)
Ok so another idea that I'm about to try out to freak spectators is a bit of gibberish. Cool and all as it is getting direct answers to your questions, if you have seen enough scary movies you'll know the demon voice often sounds a bit demented and jeering and answers are muddled.

Consider this exchange.....

Is there anyone there......"(slight cackle) no!"

Who do you want to contact?......"what if they hear us? Sush sush sush (cackle)

What do you want to tell them? "Peter Peter Peter Peter Peter...cackle)

If you recorded it in a slightly mischievous voice, I think this will freak. Important I feel to use your own name at the end so the spec thinks our spirit is focused on you, not them.

The for god's sake, after you have got your reaction, re assure them it's a trick. That you have learned the secrets of mediumship and they are fine. I think you should do that anyway, I will .
Message: Posted by: mayhem (Jun 14, 2019 11:09AM)
I had forgot about the Facebook page. Is it even used much anymore? I've requested access to the page, but still no response after a few days.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 14, 2019 11:37AM)
[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, mayhem wrote:
I had forgot about the Facebook page. Is it even used much anymore? I've requested access to the page, but still no response after a few days. [/quote]

Haha. I very much doubt it.