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Topic: Tips on Scarnes Follow The Leader
Message: Posted by: Timtom (Apr 9, 2015 05:42AM)
Hi!

As new to card magic/magic I did invest in the book Scarne on Card Trick and loving it. I special like Scarneís follow the leader but Iím look for some tips on the count in the beginning of the trick. I feel a bit insecure about it. It feels like a will get caught when doing it. So if anyone has some tips on how to do it, I am really happy for that.
Message: Posted by: ianchandler (Apr 9, 2015 11:01PM)
I'll begin my suggestion by saying that if you do the count confidently, no one will be the wiser. There's a saying in magic: "Don't run if you're not being chased." Instead of running, lead the audience down the proverbial garden path.

Here's an alternative:

1) Spread the 12 cards face up and break at the red/black split. Red cards in one hand, blacks in the other.

2) Let's assume you're holding reds in your left hand. Spread the top four cards to the far right, so there's a gap between the two sections.

3) As you bring your hands up, feed the black cards into the gap below the four cards. Square and turn the packet face down.

I hope that makes sense.
Message: Posted by: Timtom (Apr 10, 2015 12:07AM)
Thanks for the tips but what I look for is more how to convince them that is it normal to count 8 cards then spreed 4 and then say yes its 12, like Scarne is doing in the book. So more of tips on how to make it normal when you are doing something that isn't normal. But maybe its so simple don't look at the card when you do it.
Message: Posted by: ianchandler (Apr 10, 2015 12:49AM)
If you're set on performing that count, simply do it with confidence.
Message: Posted by: Timtom (Apr 10, 2015 01:43AM)
Exactly! And when I do it by myself I lack confidence in doing it. So was hoping on tips on how to do it with confidence
Message: Posted by: ianchandler (Apr 10, 2015 02:06AM)
There are really no tips for confident performance. It emerges organically. Once you've performed something a thousand times, it becomes second nature. You don't think. When you get to that point, confidence should be natural.
Message: Posted by: Timtom (Apr 10, 2015 03:14AM)
Okey, thanks for the tips I will try to build some steam :) and practis a lot.
Message: Posted by: stickmondoo (Apr 10, 2015 04:32AM)
You say you are new to card magic, so not sure how elpful this will be, but after you have down the count and spread the two seperate piles, turn them face up one at a time to remove the face card as a leader card. You are now in position to do an extended elmsley count with remaining cards to show five cards of one colour in the packet. That's pretty convincing if they did suspect something. It's a great trick isn't it? Tamariz has a cool routine with more cards if you fancied comparing them.
Message: Posted by: Timtom (Apr 10, 2015 05:34AM)
[quote]On Apr 10, 2015, stickmondoo wrote:
You say you are new to card magic, so not sure how elpful this will be, but after you have down the count and spread the two seperate piles, turn them face up one at a time to remove the face card as a leader card. You are now in position to do an extended elmsley count with remaining cards to show five cards of one colour in the packet. That's pretty convincing if they did suspect something. It's a great trick isn't it? Tamariz has a cool routine with more cards if you fancied comparing them. [/quote]

Im new to card magic been at it for 4-5 months now and I'm just practis my sleight of hand for now and I want to use some self working to boost my self and to make my fam and friends use to me making card magic on them. I like the elmsly count but for now when doing it all of me is a tell :-) either I don't get it right or I get right and it surprises me so I freez :-)

Yes loved the routine that Tamariz is doing, its so good and funny.
Message: Posted by: pnerd (Jul 29, 2015 04:24PM)
Timtom, instead of Scarne's count, I suggest a move I learned from one of Bob Longe's books if I remember correctlty. Suppose in the face-up packet of 12 cards, the red cards are on top and the black ones beneath.

1. Spread the cards and show them in a fan (the black cards on the left of the fan and the red cards on the right of the fan).

2. Your left thumb should be on the fourth black card from left, and your right fingertips should be against the back of the fifth black card from left.

3. Next, while raising your hands upwards, you separate the cards in two groups (adding the rightmost two black cards of the fan to the back of the red cards), and close the cards up.

4. Now you should have 4 cards (black) in your left hand and 8 cards (2 black and 6 red) in your right hand.

5. Turn the left hand packet face down, and tell them that the red cards should go on top. Then turn the right hand packet face down and place it on top of the left hand packet.


Note: if the spectator themselves remove six black and six red cards from the deck at the beginning, then I don't see the point of counting the cards at the beginning. If you want to do a count, you can do a legitimate count at the beginning of the steps I mentioned above. Hope this helps.
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Message: Posted by: Timtom (Aug 28, 2015 05:31AM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2015, pnerd wrote:
Timtom, instead of Scarne's count, I suggest a move I learned from one of Bob Longe's books if I remember correctlty. Suppose in the face-up packet of 12 cards, the red cards are on top and the black ones beneath.

1. Spread the cards and show them in a fan (the black cards on the left of the fan and the red cards on the right of the fan).

2. Your left thumb should be on the fourth black card from left, and your right fingertips should be against the back of the fifth black card from left.

3. Next, while raising your hands upwards, you separate the cards in two groups (adding the rightmost two black cards of the fan to the back of the red cards), and close the cards up.

4. Now you should have 4 cards (black) in your left hand and 8 cards (2 black and 6 red) in your right hand.

5. Turn the left hand packet face down, and tell them that the red cards should go on top. Then turn the right hand packet face down and place it on top of the left hand packet.


Note: if the spectator themselves remove six black and six red cards from the deck at the beginning, then I don't see the point of counting the cards at the beginning. If you want to do a count, you can do a legitimate count at the beginning of the steps I mentioned above. Hope this helps.
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Nice one will try it. Thanks
Message: Posted by: pnerd (Aug 28, 2015 06:05AM)
[quote]On Aug 28, 2015, Timtom wrote:
Nice one will try it. Thanks [/quote]
You're welcome.
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Message: Posted by: RogerTheShrubber (Sep 2, 2015 12:21AM)
This is a complete aside, but I don't remember that trick being in the book at all. I grant you that I don't have all 155 memorized, but it was the first magic book I ever bought and I thought I knew it better than this. That trick is in the book? Live and learn...
Message: Posted by: Timtom (Sep 2, 2015 03:08AM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2015, RogerTheShrubber wrote:
This is a complete aside, but I don't remember that trick being in the book at all. I grant you that I don't have all 155 memorized, but it was the first magic book I ever bought and I thought I knew it better than this. That trick is in the book? Live and learn... [/quote]

79. Scarnes Follow the Leader. page 143 in my book :-)
Message: Posted by: RogerTheShrubber (Sep 3, 2015 06:36AM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2015, Timtom wrote:
[quote]On Sep 2, 2015, RogerTheShrubber wrote:
This is a complete aside, but I don't remember that trick being in the book at all. I grant you that I don't have all 155 memorized, but it was the first magic book I ever bought and I thought I knew it better than this. That trick is in the book? Live and learn... [/quote]

79. Scarnes Follow the Leader. page 143 in my book :-) [/quote]

Right you are - I dug up my copy and sure enough, there it is. Thanks. :)
Message: Posted by: Timtom (Sep 3, 2015 11:19AM)
Happy I can help :-)and it helps me geting to 50 ;-)
Message: Posted by: pnerd (Sep 3, 2015 03:30PM)
Here is Juan Tamariz performing his version of Follow the Leader: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGhCqNK8A98

Timtom, you can see how he counts the cards at the beginning before turning the cards face down.
Message: Posted by: Timtom (Sep 7, 2015 12:26PM)
[quote]On Sep 3, 2015, pnerd wrote:
Here is Juan Tamariz performing his version of Follow the Leader: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGhCqNK8A98

Timtom, you can see how he counts the cards at the beginning before turning the cards face down. [/quote]

That is a nice move :) and he is so funny to see :)