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Topic: Jade Helm 15
Message: Posted by: irossall (Apr 22, 2015 02:04PM)
I am very interested in everyone's thoughts on this exercise.

It appears that things are starting a little early (in Texas)
Exercise was supposed to run from July 15 to September 15.

Are you ok with being part of this? (assuming you live in one of the participating states)

-Iven
Message: Posted by: silvercup (Apr 22, 2015 02:38PM)
They gotta train somewhere don't they?
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 22, 2015 02:53PM)
I'm pleased to hear that Canadian forces will help keep y'all in your place.

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2015/04/21/under-jade-helm-canadian-troops-will-help-enforce-martial-law-on-americans/

"UNDER JADE HELM, CANADIAN TROOPS WILL HELP ENFORCE MARTIAL LAW ON AMERICANS"

:)

<Memo to self, buy shares of stock in aluminum foil companies as soon as the markets open tomorrow.>
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 22, 2015 03:03PM)
Http://www.businessinsider.com/wal-mart-and-jade-helm-conspiracy-theory-2015-4

See article for complete context, I am just cutting and pasting a couple of sentences ...

"Wal-Mart suddenly closed five stores last week without warning ... The closures have fueled a bizarre conspiracy theory that the US military is planning to enact martial law this summer under the guise of a Special Operations exercise called Jade Helm 15. According to the theory ... the military will use the shuttered Wal-Mart stores as 'processing' facilities for Americans once martial law is hatched."

Even more here:

http://allnewspipeline.com/Walmart_Closings_And_Jade_Helm.php

"Is the US government preparing for an all-out economic collapse with Jade Helm, on behalf of the Chinese? Are Walmarts in the poorer areas being closed down to control the food, send those that are hungry scavaging to the more affluent areas, and to set off food riots, which would give the government a reason to declare martial law? Are some Walmart Supercenters being retrofitted to prepare to turn them into some type of processing centers for Americans after they have rounded them up as they practiced doing in Florida last month? Will they be used as China's C3 (Command, Control And Communication)?"
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 22, 2015 03:09PM)
Sanitised MSM reporting at the link, but it does contain a useful map:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/03/31/why-the-new-special-operations-exercise-freaking-out-the-internet-is-no-big-deal/

[img]https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2015/03/JADE-Helm-15.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: imgic (Apr 22, 2015 03:26PM)
These types of exercises happen all the time. Most times they aren't even noticed.

And Canadians Armed Forces rock! Having worked with them they wear black flight suits (much cooler looking than olive drab) and thru paint fake cockpit windows on the bottom of their F-18 fighters so you get disoriented in dogfights ont the direction of the plane.

And, up to a few years ago when craft brewing took off in US, they drank much better beer.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 22, 2015 05:46PM)
"These types of exercises happen all the time. Most times they aren't even noticed." Wow!
Message: Posted by: irossall (Apr 24, 2015 12:56PM)
Are you ok with being part of this?
This was my question. I don't know where this other stuff is coming from.

Silvercup: They gotta train somewhere don't they?

Iven: Absolutely! I just don't want to take part in any war games. I want to be free to come and go as I please. I will not let anyone into my Home without legal warrant. There is plenty of Government land and Military bases to do this exercise. They don't need to do this around civilians.
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balducci: Wal-Mart suddenly closed five stores last week without warning ... The closures have fueled a bizarre conspiracy theory that the US military is planning to enact martial law this summer under the guise of a Special Operations exercise called Jade Helm 15. According to the theory ... the military will use the shuttered Wal-Mart stores as 'processing' facilities for Americans once martial law is hatched.

Iven: Wal-Mart? When did I mention Wal-Mart? I don't even shop there.

Balducci: Is the US government preparing for an all-out economic collapse with Jade Helm, on behalf of the Chinese?

Iven: Economic Collapse? On behalf of the Chinese? AGAIN, Where did I say such a thing?

Balducci: "Memo to self, buy shares of stock in aluminum foil companies as soon as the markets open tomorrow"

Iven: I don't know who this is referring to. If you are making this statement in my behalf, Thanks but I already have a very nice, custom made foil hat. The stocks might go up a bit though.(considering some of the responses to my topic).

imgic: These types of exercises happen all the time. Most times they aren't even noticed.

Iven: Of course, Wargames are a reality of Life and as I said before, they should practice this sort of thing but I don't want them to use unwilling civilians.

Tommy: Wow!

Iven: I second that Wow Tommy. Tommy is the only one that did not put words into my question and did not insinuate that I am a Whacko.

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/jade-helm-15-to-make-appearance-before-bastrop-cou/nkz4w/

-Iven
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 24, 2015 01:35PM)
Iven, fwiw, I never said you said any of the things you make it out I said you said.

I did post links to what others are saying about Jade Helm.
Message: Posted by: Salguod Nairb (Apr 24, 2015 01:53PM)
[img]http://i.imgur.com/crQJZK6.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: landmark (Apr 25, 2015 07:54AM)
From the statesman article:

"Officials say the training, which will be held in Bastrop County from July 15 to Sept. 15, will develop techniques and tactics needed by the military to defend U.S. interests around the globe."

I love that we no longer say that we are doing this stuff to defend our populace from a deadly attack, but merely to "defend US interests around the globe." As if MultiCorps Industries' interests and mine were one and the same.
Message: Posted by: irossall (Apr 25, 2015 10:00AM)
[quote]On Apr 24, 2015, balducci wrote:
Iven, fwiw, I never said you said any of the things you make it out I said you said.
B
I did post links to what others are saying about Jade Helm. [/quote]

You are correct Balducci.
I am sorry for jumping to conclusions.

Since my question was concerned with your thoughts i.e. opinion. Are what "others" are saying your thoughts as well?
Just wondering.
-Iven
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 25, 2015 01:14PM)
What do I think about Jade Helm, nothing much. That is, I think it is a big nothing, just the training mission it claims to be. As noted in the Washington Post article, "the military has routinely launched exercises in the past in which regions of the United States are identified as hostile for the purpose of training" (see link for various past examples).

Why are some 'others' freaking out over Jade Helm? I don't know, except it seems now that every few years the same group (more or less) is freaking out over one thing or another (e.g. FEMA concentration camps, gold confiscation, Obama Brown Shirts Corps, U.S. military training to confiscate private guns, etc.). There is probably some deep seated psychological reason for this.

Or maybe it is just that certain media catering (and merchants / advertisers targeting) this group create / stoke these fears in order to make money. E.g., think Glen Beck's Survival Seed Bank (TM), the Liberty Dollar, etc.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 25, 2015 01:26PM)
I suppose I would be concerned if I lived in an affected region, and the U.S. military was known to be 'trigger happy' in the presence of U.S. civilians, and the training exercise was using live ammunition. But none of these (AFAIK) are the case. Let alone all three.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 25, 2015 07:45PM)
As the oil runs out over the next 40 years and the industrialized world collapses, taking it back to an agricultural system, there is going to be chaos and death on grand scale obviously. The powers that be are going to have to do plenty of military exercises like this one in preparation for these unfolding events. We canít expect the powers that be to sit around and do nothing in face of this. It really does not matter If you like it or not. It seems to me.


Jade, it's Green.
Message: Posted by: imgic (Apr 26, 2015 08:52AM)
Irossall

I never implied anything about anyone. I was merely pointing out that military exercises like these happen all the time, most times without civilian population noticing.

Airspaces all over the US have designated training areas that mock dogfights and pretend bomber runs happen all the time. Military training areas will designate local towns throughout a state for reference, to add more realism to the exercise but nothing ever happens in those towns.

The fact they're publicly announcing the exercise makes me think it's not some covert move to enact martial law.
Message: Posted by: w_s_anderson (Apr 26, 2015 09:48PM)
We do them all the time. It is far easier to base the exercise on an actual community than to make one up entirely.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Apr 26, 2015 10:45PM)
I remember participating in exercises like this over forty years ago. They're nothing new or ominous.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 27, 2015 10:31AM)
To illicit public responses the control freaks put out various things like this to mental map the country. The various reactions of the various people in various places is data. To master the Human domain one needs such data obviously. The martial law exercise will tell which parts will do what come the real event. It is an experiment, Sheeple.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Apr 28, 2015 12:06AM)
It's not a martial law exercise. Only the conspiracy theory 'sheeple' are propagating that nonsense.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 28, 2015 12:15AM)
"Paranoid Texans grill Army spokesman on Jade Helm 15"

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/paranoid-texans-grill-army-spokesman-on-jade-helm-15-exercise-thats-sparking-fears-of-military-takeover/
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 28, 2015 01:30AM)
Government trolls saying itís not a martial law exercise. Itís a training exercise. Just a regular training exercise, doesnít help the already dubious credibility of the USA fascist totalitarian oligarchic government.
Message: Posted by: balducci (May 28, 2015 08:02PM)
La Cucaracha

http://www.gocomics.com/lacucaracha/2015/05/28

[img]http://assets.amuniversal.com/f187fa50e0630132e42d005056a9545d[/img]

[img]http://assets.amuniversal.com/f5ef0e20e0630132e42d005056a9545d[/img]
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (May 29, 2015 05:10AM)
[quote]On Apr 27, 2015, tommy wrote:
Government trolls saying itís not a martial law exercise. Itís a training exercise. Just a regular training exercise, doesnít help the already dubious credibility of the USA fascist totalitarian oligarchic government. [/quote]

And that post did nothing to enhance your dubious credibility either.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (May 29, 2015 10:23PM)
Question ... Our military is trained to kill. The US military is never to be used to police US citizens ... That's what the police do ... When the Military begin to be police then we become a POLICE STATE... Founding Fathers say No No No!!!!!
Why would they train Marines for riot control?
Are the marines controlling riots anywhere around the world, or are they shooting and killing as trained?
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 29, 2015 11:29PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Apr 27, 2015, tommy wrote:
Government trolls saying itís not a martial law exercise. Itís a training exercise. Just a regular training exercise, doesnít help the already dubious credibility of the USA fascist totalitarian oligarchic government. [/quote]

And that post did nothing to enhance your dubious credibility either. [/quote]

Bob we all know that you are an Obama troll.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 30, 2015 09:38AM)
Love the martial law Wal Mart conspiracy!
Message: Posted by: imgic (May 30, 2015 07:43PM)
Slim King is right in that posse comitatus legally prevents US Military to police US citizens. The national guard may be called on if needed. But not active duty military.

But the US military is seeing an increase in Operations Other Than War (OOTW) where military are used on humanitarian efforts, search and rescue, peacekeeping and more. To do those things they have to be trained. In such things as riot control, cargo air drops, first responder medical care, and a whole lot more. Marines (and the military) aren't just for killing anymore...
Message: Posted by: balducci (May 30, 2015 07:53PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2015, imgic wrote:

Slim King is right in that posse comitatus legally prevents US Military to police US citizens. The national guard may be called on if needed. But not active duty military.[/quote]
According to Wikipedia, the Posse Comitatus Act "only specifically applies to the Army and, as amended in 1956, the Air Force. While the Act does not explicitly mention the naval services, specifically the Navy and the Marine Corps, the Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the Act force with respect to those services as well. The Act does not apply to the National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act either, primarily because although the Coast Guard is an armed service, it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission."

Specifically, it does not cover Marines. So I guess the government has some wiggle room. My guess is that whatever regulations the Department of the Navy imposed could probably be overridden or rewritten on short notice.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 30, 2015 09:56PM)
What other nation does not use the military to control the border again?
Message: Posted by: balducci (May 30, 2015 10:21PM)
France?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 31, 2015 01:43AM)
Is that an answer?
Message: Posted by: balducci (May 31, 2015 10:21AM)
When I said France, I was kidding. The usual joke about France and its military etc.

I'm not what your border question had to do with Jade Helm 15 in the first place, as I did not think anyone here questioned the use of a nation's military to defend its borders at least in a crisis if not on a day to day basis (which is more the work of border control agents).

There are open borders between different member states of the European Union, and in some other places as well. I'm not sure what role the military plays in some of those nations with open borders. Probably less than here, anyway.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 31, 2015 12:02PM)
Look into it and get back to me.
Message: Posted by: w_s_anderson (May 31, 2015 03:36PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
What other nation does not use the military to control the border again? [/quote]

Costa Rica is one.
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 31, 2015 06:48PM)
Whoever is guarding the borders is asleep by the look of it.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (May 31, 2015 10:16PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2015, imgic wrote:
Slim King is right in that posse comitatus legally prevents US Military to police US citizens. The national guard may be called on if needed. But not active duty military.

But the US military is seeing an increase in Operations Other Than War (OOTW) where military are used on humanitarian efforts, search and rescue, peacekeeping and more. To do those things they have to be trained. In such things as riot control, cargo air drops, first responder medical care, and a whole lot more. Marines (and the military) aren't just for killing anymore... [/quote]
The founding fathers would never use the military for anything besides defending our country. I do NOT fund the military for humanitarian missions no matter how Humanitarian they are ... it's NOT their job. It's an abuse of power.

Using the National Guard as combat units rather than having them secure the border and protect the states was just INSANE. Now we have over 11 million Illegal Aliens who just walked in and thousands of dead National Guardsmen. It's upsetting!!!

This is a similar MISTAKE! It's an abuse of power and certainly not what our nation is all about.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 31, 2015 10:25PM)
The military is going to follow orers. But they are not designed for humanitarian anything. The exact opposite as it turns out.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jun 1, 2015 12:26AM)
Slim- How, exactly, is conducting a training exercise an abuse of power?
Message: Posted by: imgic (Jun 1, 2015 01:27AM)
Wow...guess Slim and Danny haven't watched the news when any disaster hits...US Military is often there providing relief and support. Earthquakes, missing airliners, oil spills. A lot of military traing supports these efforts...logistics, search and rescue, medical, and more.

Slim, Google The Whiskey Rebellion, Our founding fathers did use troops to enforce federal law on US soil. Thankfully we've learned from our past mistakes.
Message: Posted by: stoneunhinged (Jun 1, 2015 04:41AM)
Just for fun, I offer y'all this:

[quote]
At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
[/quote]

Abraham Lincoln, Lyceum Address, 27 January, 1838
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 1, 2015 09:17AM)
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Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jun 1, 2015 10:38AM)
I guess Slim has never heard of Operation Oak tree in 1963, in which President Kennedy sent federal troops to Birmingham as a response to riots fueled by the activities of the KKK.

[quote][Governor]Wallace complained again, to the Supreme Court. The Court responded that Kennedy was exercising his authority within U.S. Code Title X, Section 333, stating: "Such purely preparatory measures and their alleged adverse general effects upon the plaintiffs afford no basis for the granting of any relief."[31]

Perceived inefficiencies of the operation led the Joint Chiefs of Staff to draft a memo on preparedness for domestic civil disturbances. According to this memo, the newly created Strike Command should be able "to move readily deployable, tailored Army forces ranging in size from a reinforced company to a maximum force of 15,000 personnel."[32] The Strike Command designated seven Army brigades (amounting to about 21,000 soldiers) as available to respond to civil unrest.[33] [/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_riot_of_1963#Operation_Oak_Tree
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jun 1, 2015 10:39AM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
Slim- How, exactly, is conducting a training exercise an abuse of power? [/quote]
What are they training them to do .. Riot control in Iraq or Libya?
Military is to kill our enemies. That's what they do. It's pretty simple.
Using the military for your pet project is 100% wrong.
The National Guard started as militia's to guard our states ... NOT to go fight wars in the middle east.
The IRS started as a 1% tax on the top 1% ... See what road that has taken us? It's an abuse of power just like this is.
The FBI had photo's, video's, recorded interviews, and had one of the Boston bombers on an International Terror Watch List ... Yet they 'ASKED" us to help identify them on national TV(HOWEVER, They knew exactly who they were) as they brought in the troops for Martial Law in Boston. Same thing here.
An abuse of power.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jun 1, 2015 10:54AM)
In case you missed it, this thread is about Jade Helm, which has nothing to do with the National Guard.

Here, by the way, is the text of of US Code Section 333:

[quote]
The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if itó
(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.
[/quote]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/333

As to the President's authority to call up the National Guard for deployment overseas, see:

[quote]The National Defense Authorization Act 2008 Pub.L. 110-181

...enables the President to call up the National Guard of the United States for active federal military service during Congressionally sanctioned national emergency or war. Places the National Guard Bureau directly under the Department of Defense as a joint activity. Promoted the Chief of the National Guard Bureau from a three-star to a four-star general.[/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States#Relevant_laws

Note that the actions in Iraq were sanctioned by Congress, originally under the Bush administration.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 1, 2015 11:13AM)
Donít feed the government troll.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jun 1, 2015 11:17AM)
No, feed the Alex Jones' conspiracy nuts instead. They're hungrier.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 1, 2015 11:33AM)
No, not as hungry as Karl Marx and his boot licking balmy army.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 1, 2015 12:24PM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, imgic wrote:
Wow...guess Slim and Danny haven't watched the news when any disaster hits...US Military is often there providing relief and support. Earthquakes, missing airliners, oil spills. A lot of military traing supports these efforts...logistics, search and rescue, medical, and more.

Slim, Google The Whiskey Rebellion, Our founding fathers did use troops to enforce federal law on US soil. Thankfully we've learned from our past mistakes. [/quote]

Wait wait wait. I NEVER said they were not USED for it, I simply mentioned how they were not designed for it.

Military training supports those things within the military. The original intent was not to be humanitarian. It was designed to kill.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 1, 2015 12:26PM)
I still enjoy the Wal Mart conspiracy part!
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jun 1, 2015 12:40PM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, tommy wrote:
No, not as hungry as Karl Marx and his boot licking balmy army. [/quote]

You really need to read his writings. He never had an army nor did he every lead a state. Modern communism has little if anything to do with Marxism.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 1, 2015 01:04PM)
You really need to look past the end of your nose and stop being so embarrassingly superficial.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jun 1, 2015 01:28PM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
In case you missed it, this thread is about Jade Helm, which has nothing to do with the National Guard.

Here, by the way, is the text of of US Code Section 333:

[quote]
The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if itó
(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.
[/quote]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/333

As to the President's authority to call up the National Guard for deployment overseas, see:

[quote]The National Defense Authorization Act 2008 Pub.L. 110-181

...enables the President to call up the National Guard of the United States for active federal military service during Congressionally sanctioned national emergency or war. Places the National Guard Bureau directly under the Department of Defense as a joint activity. Promoted the Chief of the National Guard Bureau from a three-star to a four-star general.[/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States#Relevant_laws

Note that the actions in Iraq were sanctioned by Congress, originally under the Bush administration. [/quote]
Where is the INSURRECTION?

Using the National Guard is a power grab because not enough people believed in the war to sign up for the other military options ... Since we no longer believe in DRAFTING the unwilling to fight in another Viet Nam, our government has had to change the rules.... And use state militias (National Guard)
Message: Posted by: imgic (Jun 1, 2015 01:40PM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, imgic wrote:
Wow...guess Slim and Danny haven't watched the news when any disaster hits...US Military is often there providing relief and support. Earthquakes, missing airliners, oil spills. A lot of military traing supports these efforts...logistics, search and rescue, medical, and more.

Slim, Google The Whiskey Rebellion, Our founding fathers did use troops to enforce federal law on US soil. Thankfully we've learned from our past mistakes. [/quote]

Wait wait wait. I NEVER said they were not USED for it, I simply mentioned how they were not designed for it.

Military training supports those things within the military. The original intent was not to be humanitarian. It was designed to kill. [/quote]

Fair enough. I misread into your statement. Apologies.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jun 1, 2015 05:30PM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
I still enjoy the Wal Mart conspiracy part! [/quote]
It's pretty obvious that in order to cover their misdeeds, evil people often make up a story even more unbelievable than the horrible one they are perpetuating. A smoke screen. It often works but I just find them quite entertaining.
Like those crazy stories about the first lady. Just a smoke screen.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 1, 2015 06:45PM)
What is the difference exactly between a real world military road block and a realistic military exercise road block?
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jun 1, 2015 07:44PM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, Slim King wrote:
[
Where is the INSURRECTION?

Using the National Guard is a power grab because not enough people believed in the war to sign up for the other military options ... Since we no longer believe in DRAFTING the unwilling to fight in another Viet Nam, our government has had to change the rules.... And use state militias (National Guard) [/quote]

If you bothered to pay attention to the topic of this thread and read the links I provided in that light, maybe you wouldn't be so baffled by the obvious.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 1, 2015 08:08PM)
These missions, they are going to be regular from now on and if they do them all of the time, then they can fool all of people all of the time.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 1, 2015 08:13PM)
Ed it.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Jun 1, 2015 09:12PM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, tommy wrote:
These missions, they are going to be regular from now on and if they do them all of the time, then they can fool all of people all of the time. [/quote]
Fool all except for Slim and yourself, presumably.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 1, 2015 09:23PM)
Only if we could tell the difference between a military road block and a military road block.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 1, 2015 10:29PM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, Slim King wrote:
[
Where is the INSURRECTION?

Using the National Guard is a power grab because not enough people believed in the war to sign up for the other military options ... Since we no longer believe in DRAFTING the unwilling to fight in another Viet Nam, our government has had to change the rules.... And use state militias (National Guard) [/quote]

If you bothered to pay attention to the topic of this thread and read the links I provided in that light, maybe you wouldn't be so baffled by the obvious. [/quote]
Baffled by the obvious. Man that made me laugh.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jun 2, 2015 12:41AM)
Next you'll allow armed military to read your electric meter and open fire if you don't pay up!!!!
You guys are just giving your freedoms away .. It's a scam .. a money grab....federal overreach .....We don't train the military for riot control .. we train them for war.... :gunfighter:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 2, 2015 12:51AM)
Ever been in a riot or in a war?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 2, 2015 01:28AM)
Since the cops are now more or less military and the security forces are spying on us then we are already more less under martial law worldwide. Why are they going to be working with the DEA anyway? Are you expecting to be invaded by the Mexican drug cartel or is that part a secret? Will the exercise go live like 9/11 etcetera? I wonder what the military will do when a cop murders another black guy and a riot breaks out where they are; Will they quell the insurrection or pretend to or will the military mind their own business and retreat to Walmarts or what?
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Jun 2, 2015 01:57AM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, Slim King wrote:
Next you'll allow armed military to read your electric meter and open fire if you don't pay up!!!!
You guys are just giving your freedoms away .. It's a scam .. a money grab....federal overreach .....We don't train the military for riot control .. we train them for war.... :gunfighter: [/quote]

Maybe you ought to read the Constitution and the US Code. You still haven't responded to the numerous examples of presidents using the military to preserve the peace, enforce civil rights, and to quell insurrections.

Putting exclamation marks after comments doesn't make them profound or even relevant.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 2, 2015 03:27AM)
Oh so Jade Helm is an example of the president using the military to preserve the peace, and we all thought it was an just exercise.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 2, 2015 12:49PM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, Slim King wrote:
Next you'll allow armed military to read your electric meter and open fire if you don't pay up!!!!
You guys are just giving your freedoms away .. It's a scam .. a money grab....federal overreach .....We don't train the military for riot control .. we train them for war.... :gunfighter: [/quote]


Putting exclamation marks after comments doesn't make them profound or even relevant. [/quote]

Where are you posting again Bob? Always mind your surroundings! Of COURSE IT DOES!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: The Hermit (Jun 2, 2015 01:26PM)
It is interesting that it's Army Special Forces driven. Colorado was dropped. I notice that the key states are border states. Also, if you were doing a martial law exercise, you would need NORAD and Northcom, both located in CO. They are the hub for protecting US airspace, homeland security and cyber warfare defense. Everything goes through one of the two. I think the apocalypse will not be telegraphed, but it is odd that we need to train in five states. Why not on massive government installations. And, I assume we are getting enough training to fight wars. Interesting it's the southern border states. That means while the Army is tied up in the south, we could be overrun by the Canucks. I suspect it's a setup by Canada to fake us out and come in and steal our beer and back bacon. They can be crafty devils and without the WY or CO stopgap we are in their clutches.
Message: Posted by: The Hermit (Jun 2, 2015 01:28PM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
[quote]On Jun 1, 2015, Slim King wrote:
Next you'll allow armed military to read your electric meter and open fire if you don't pay up!!!!
You guys are just giving your freedoms away .. It's a scam .. a money grab....federal overreach .....We don't train the military for riot control .. we train them for war.... :gunfighter: [/quote]

Maybe you ought to read the Constitution and the US Code. You still haven't responded to the numerous examples of presidents using the military to preserve the peace, enforce civil rights, and to quell insurrections.

Putting exclamation marks after comments doesn't make them profound or even relevant. [/quote]

Profound requires Bold and maybe Italic.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 2, 2015 02:09PM)
Since the expert humbugs here canít tell the difference between real world and realistic exercise what chance have Texans got? So I might just go and invade Texas and tell those suckers, itís only make believe. They will go along with it, to enter the spirit of the thing for their amusement. They will volunteer to play the part of my prisoners and so on. Then I will steal what oil they have left.