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Topic: Fauxverhand Shuffle by James Dickson
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (May 28, 2015 02:15PM)
This false shuffle looks very natural, perfect if you use a stack, check it out:

http://www.ellusionist.com/fauxverhand-shuffle-by-james-dickson.html
Message: Posted by: swayne100 (May 28, 2015 09:05PM)
Any reviews from people who have downloaded it?
Message: Posted by: Claudio (May 29, 2015 05:11AM)
My two cents: it's pretty obvious what's happening. There are some excellent over-hand false shuffles out-there, as easy and more deceptive.
Message: Posted by: BarryFernelius (May 29, 2015 09:19AM)
I actually thought it looked quite good. (And there are other deceptive overhand shuffles out there, including those created by Steve Beam and Dan Garrett. At a recent Magic Castle lecture, Daryl showed some really nice touches on the Optical Shuffle.)

I only have one minor quibble: every time he does the shuffle, he watches his hands. In my opinion, the shuffle should be a [i]background action,[/i] that you can perform while talking to other people and making eye contact with them.
Message: Posted by: Jiceh (May 31, 2015 07:33AM)
[quote]On May 29, 2015, BarryFernelius wrote:
I only have one minor quibble: every time he does the shuffle, he watches his hands. In my opinion, the shuffle should be a [i]background action,[/i] that you can perform while talking to other people and making eye contact with them. [/quote]

Very good point. I agree too.

I use the Shuffle (Bob King) you can find at the end of "The Annotated Erdnase" by Darwin Ortiz but I will change for this one as soon as I have learned it
But first, I have to buy it
Message: Posted by: Francois Lagrange (May 31, 2015 07:54AM)
I am not impressed. It's a sub par false overhand shuffle as far as I am concerned - but ... different strokes for different folks :)
Message: Posted by: Jiceh (May 31, 2015 12:54PM)
[quote]On May 31, 2015, Francois Lagrange wrote:
I am not impressed. It's a sub par false overhand shuffle as far as I am concerned - but ... different strokes for different folks :) [/quote]
It's easy to reconstruct for a magician but the illusion is very good ...
I am not impressed, I am "seduce" ...
Message: Posted by: mclose (May 31, 2015 02:12PM)
Mats: This looks exactly like the Mead/Kennedy false shuffle, which I explained in Closely Guarded Secrets (2006).
Message: Posted by: Kabbalah (May 31, 2015 03:11PM)
And, it looks exactly like [b]Chopper - An Overhand False Shuffle[/b], described by Ken Krenzel in [i]Close-Up Impact[/i] (1990), pp. 167-168.

How hard is it to research before claiming something as your own and selling it without credit?

Unless you are aware, and hope others won't notice.
Message: Posted by: lcwright1964 (May 31, 2015 03:43PM)
[quote]On May 31, 2015, mclose wrote:
Mats: This looks exactly like the Mead/Kennedy false shuffle, which I explained in Closely Guarded Secrets (2006). [/quote]

Alas, that is almost exactly what it looks like. Dickson offers some extra handling tips, but his isn't so radically different to make it an original shuffle. *sigh*.
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (May 31, 2015 04:07PM)
[quote]On May 31, 2015, mclose wrote:
Mats: This looks exactly like the Mead/Kennedy false shuffle, which I explained in Closely Guarded Secrets (2006). [/quote]

Yes, that is a correct statement. Re-watched Closely Guarded Secrets (great ebook) - and the shuffle looks the same...
How could I miss that?!
Message: Posted by: Kabbalah (May 31, 2015 04:23PM)
[quote]On May 31, 2015, lcwright1964 wrote:

Alas, that is almost exactly what it looks like. Dickson offers some extra handling tips, but his isn't so radically different to make it an original shuffle. *sigh*. [/quote]

So, no credits given?
Message: Posted by: mclose (May 31, 2015 06:05PM)
It should be noted that the Mead/Kennedy false shuffle uses the same idea as John Cornelius's Oh Calcutta shuffle (which was in Apocalypse almost forty years ago).

What astonishes me is the price. For one sleight Ellusionist is asking a quarter of the price of Closely Guarded Secrets.

I should release my new ebook one trick at a time. :)
Message: Posted by: Kabbalah (May 31, 2015 06:34PM)
[quote]On May 31, 2015, mclose wrote:

I should release my new ebook one trick at a time. :) [/quote]

No need to release new material.

Put out The [b]Tadpole King[/b] on a one trick DVD under the name of Michael Farr.

Only $35.
Message: Posted by: Kabbalah (Jun 3, 2015 06:34AM)
This is no longer for sale.
Message: Posted by: Jay Elf (Jun 4, 2015 05:56PM)
Hi.
I want to check the Mead/Kennedy false shuffle. So I open the pdf file of Closely Guarded Secrets CD on my Windows 7 computer, and clicked the video clip in the pdf file text, but unfortunaterly I can't watch any video clips. Does it need something extra to watch the video clips?


@Jay@
Message: Posted by: mclose (Jun 5, 2015 08:24AM)
Jay:

I sent you a PM.
Message: Posted by: lcwright1964 (Jun 13, 2015 10:23AM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2015, Kabbalah wrote:
This is no longer for sale. [/quote]

Well, that doesn't seem good…

At any rate, I tend to prefer false shuffles that simply cut the deck (like the Truffle done the standard way) as it is easy enough to undo the cut later--crimps, corner shorts, estimate/glimpse/cut, just doing it openly when showing that the cards are mixed--and have used the false butt shuffle described in Mnemonica a bit to this end. But my true overheard shuffle is not a butt shuffle--I do the standard chop, undercut, run, throw combos like most of us. I think a combination feels natural and looks deceptive--e.g., undercut a chunk and bring it over as in the optical shuffle, then execute the Mead/Kennedy moves on that packet. Repeat cycle ad libitum, leaving the deck as though it has had a completed cut. Undo the cut, or not, and proceed. I will work up this combo for myself. When it comes to this stuff Keep It Simple Sweetie works for me. Besides, I have learned that with muggles if I don't bring much attention to my shuffling and do something smooth and natural with my hands, no one pays much attention. I am a hobbyist and don't pretend to aspire to fool magicians with something like this. I perform for magicians to learn more, not to fool them.

Les
Message: Posted by: Jay Elf (Jun 26, 2015 05:06PM)
I checked out the Mead/Kennedy shuffle. And "Chopper"-An Overhand False Shuffle in Ken Krenzel's Close-Up Impact(1990), too.

Both of them are identical.

I wonder which is due to the credit just out of curiosity.


@Jay@
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Nov 10, 2015 03:53PM)
[quote]On May 31, 2015, mclose wrote:
Mats: This looks exactly like the Mead/Kennedy false shuffle, which I explained in Closely Guarded Secrets (2006). [/quote]
Is this shuffle on the DVD or book or both? Thanks.
Steve
Message: Posted by: Scott Kahn (Nov 21, 2015 07:24AM)
Check out Justin Hanes' M.O.S.E.S. (Modified Overhand Shuffle Entire Stock) in his "Mystery Engineering." Easy and in my opinion the most deceptive.
Message: Posted by: Arthurit (Nov 11, 2017 07:29AM)
[quote]On May 31, 2015, mclose wrote:
It should be noted that the Mead/Kennedy false shuffle uses the same idea as John Cornelius's Oh Calcutta shuffle (which was in Apocalypse almost forty years ago).
[/quote]

I know I'm very late on this, and I apologize for resurrecting such and old thread, especiallly since the Fauxverhand shuffle was removed from Ellusionist long ago. However, I might have found something relevant regarding crediting/creator/publishing issues.

Some months ago I was at my local magic club discussing false overhand shuffles with other magi. The Fauxverhand shuffle was mentioned and analyzed as one of the boldest approaches. One of the club's most veteran members (Josep Pallejá, who is 80+ years old) saw us and nonchalantily said that he had devised that very same false shuffle many years ago. Fortunately, he had it published in a book about card magic technique, which I ran to check out of curiosity. The book is called "Técnica cartomágica volumen 1", published back in 1977, and the false shuffle is explained in page 65 (technique #50).

I just thought somebody might find this information interesting.
Message: Posted by: James Dickson (Nov 12, 2017 02:30AM)
Hi Arthurit,

Yes, I find it interesting. Thank you for the post I released the Fauxverhand shuffle a couple of years ago and it was quickly pointed out by people on the Café that it might be the same as The Mead/Kennedy shuffle published by Michael Close (2006) and Chopper published by Ken Krenzel (1990). Both of these shuffles are probably direct decedents from John Cornelius' Oh Calcutta shuffle which is a false Hindu shuffle. The principle was the same but the deck had essentially been re-orientated to make it look like an overhand false shuffle. The Fauxverhand shuffle was also derived from John Cornelius' but further to the re-orientation of the deck I made it so that no packets were ever pulled from the pack and were instead dropped just like in a real overhand shuffle. This was the difference - it made the shuffle look smooth and not choppy - which is probably how Ken Krenzel named his. This also allowed for overhand shuffle controls to be used in conjunction with the false shuffle which I think could lead to interesting applications. Obviously, the shuffle was pulled from the market for being similar to what had gone before. Unfortunately, although the 'Oh Calcutta' shuffle was referenced amongst others I was not aware of the work already published above and therefore did not seek permission. I have since spoken to Michael Close and apologised for this and there is no ill will between us. I hope that clears up the time line of events and brings clarity on this release and why it was pulled.

I would be interested to know if Josep Pallejá's shuffle used a pulling or dropping action to accomplish the shuffle?

Thank you again for your post.

Kind regards,

James
Message: Posted by: Arthurit (Nov 12, 2017 04:13AM)
Hi James,

Thanks for your insights and for clearing up the timeline of events. From what it was shown to me, I would say Pallejá's shuffle is identical to your Fauxverhand. There might be a tiny difference though: Josep uses a pulling action for the first chop and a dropping action for the remaining chops, in order to better resemble a regular overhand shuffle. That’s how it's explained in the book.

I wrote my previous post in order to provide further information on the issue, without any reproaching or accusing mindset whatsoever. I’m fully aware that it's impossible to know and read everything that's published in magic literature. In fact, even though the book "Técnica cartomágica" is (or was) well known nationwide, the most literate cardmen in the magic club were not aware of Josep's false shuffle. It was pure luck that he was nearby when we were discussing Fauxverhand.

Kindest regards,

Arthurit.
Message: Posted by: James Dickson (Nov 12, 2017 06:31AM)
Hi Arthurit,

I didn't take your post to be accusatory and I hope that I didn't come across that way - I am genuinely pleased to hear that that the dropping method is out there as I think it is a fantastic way of doing it and I use it all of the time. I sincerely hope that people take the time to check out Josep's version. Thank you again for your post.

Kind regards,

James
Message: Posted by: RiderBacks (Nov 13, 2017 03:50AM)
I prefer the Dan Fishman False OH Shuffle. If memory serves, it is taught in both Redford's _Square_ and _Applesauce_.
Message: Posted by: MrEmagic (Nov 13, 2017 05:08AM)
[quote]On Nov 13, 2017, RiderBacks wrote:
I prefer the Dan Fishman False OH Shuffle. If memory serves, it is taught in both Redford's _Square_ and _Applesauce_. [/quote]

It is also taught on his Ninja Tossed Out Deck DVD and in Temporarily Out Of Order, and a video demonstration can be found when logging in on his password protected site
Message: Posted by: RiderBacks (Nov 14, 2017 04:03AM)
[quote]On Nov 13, 2017, MrEmagic wrote: a video demonstration can be found when logging in on his password protected site [/quote]

A video demonstration is available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQzR1O6wiBw

This is, I think, the best complete false OH shuffle around. It's far better than any "Oh Calcutta" descendant (such as Mead/Kennedy and variants.). And it beats the OH False shuffle taught by Ortiz in The Annotated Erdnase. The key to making it maximally convincing is to ensure that there's no rhythm to it. You shouldn't, e.g., do it in beats of three.
Message: Posted by: Ben Blau (Nov 14, 2017 05:59AM)
Personally, I’ve never seen a false overhand shuffle that compares with the Redfish Shuffle (which is Patrick Redford’s slight variation on the Dan Fishman Full Deck Retention False Overhand Shuffle). I can’t imagine a layperson perceiving anything false about it, especially if the performer can do it absentmindedly while conversing with them.
Message: Posted by: Claudio (Nov 15, 2017 01:45AM)
More often than not false shuffles deceptiveness is dependent on the performer's skill rather than the specific technique itself. I've seen some horrendous renditions of what I consider technically deceptive shuffles and exemplary executions of what I consider technically sub-par methods.

A technically superior false shuffle is one which, when performed expertly, can be burnt and still deceive. For example, in expert hands, the Optical Shuffle will deceive you even though you know it's being performed.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Nov 24, 2017 07:58PM)
The above mentioned shuffle is also taught here: http://patrickredford.com/product/the-false-shuffle-project/
Message: Posted by: Arthurit (Nov 25, 2017 06:28AM)
[quote]On Nov 14, 2017, RiderBacks wrote:
A video demonstration is available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQzR1O6wiBw
[/quote]

I didn't know Dan Fishman False OH Shuffle until I watched the above video. This looks identical to Pablo Doménech's favourite false overhand shuffle, which he was very fond of. Pablo passed away in 2004 or 2005, so it would be difficult to know the exact year he developed the shuffle. However, he published a book in 1996 containing his creations, which is titled "La magia de Pablo Doménech". He devotes pages 155-170 to develop some ideas regarding false overhand shuffles and, particularly, the one talked in the quoted text can be found in pages 166-170 under the name "Mezcla falsa total por paquetes".
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Nov 25, 2017 05:12PM)
Fishman first published his shuffle in 1993 and had been using it prior to that for quite some time. Great minds think alike!
Message: Posted by: rjs (Dec 28, 2017 04:17PM)
[quote]On Nov 24, 2017, Patrick Redford wrote:
The above mentioned shuffle is also taught here: http://patrickredford.com/product/the-false-shuffle-project/ [/quote]

This is a really good instructional download. At $10 it's a bargain.
I also like the Gary Kurtz tip on the importance of staying open and relaxed.
Thanks, Patrick.
Message: Posted by: RiderBacks (Dec 29, 2017 01:49AM)
In response to someone's thoughts elsewhere, I tried my hand at an ordinary OH shuffle in an attempt to think about my finger position. It took numerous attempts for me to recover the method. As it turns out, I've not once performed an ordinary OH shuffle since I learned the one taught in Redford. My fingers will just not shuffle fairly any more!