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Topic: Fiber Optics???
Message: Posted by: plink (Jun 3, 2015 11:45AM)
I love the DVD and the extensive ideas presented! I would recommend it highly to anyone doing any kind of rope magic. BUT... It makes me wonder that once you do any sequence where a short piece of rope is shown that you have given away the secret. Am I looking at this too much as a magician? Don't laymen see this to some extent?
Message: Posted by: drewer (Jun 3, 2015 03:30PM)
I got the same feeling when I was rehearsing Fiber Optics as well. It seemed to be almost a juggling routine with different sized ropes.

Now, I only ever display the short rope when it's folded in half and perceived to be the ends of the rope (and when showing all the ropes at the beginning and end). But I still get the feeling that the audience can almost see through the routine and are only entertained by the quick movements of the routine...
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 3, 2015 06:45PM)
Youse guys are, IMO, "running when you aren't being chased"!

I spent one dollar with Gene Gordon for the PN in 1959. The EFFECT was great. I didn't LIKE the set up move(s) but loved the EFFECT. I played with it, off and on, for 11 years. Then, my pal Karrell Fox, realized that the set up move for Gen Grant's "50/50 C&R Rope" would "do the trick". I've used the PN since (about 45 years). No one has ever questioned the handling, and, I've performed it for thousands of very "sharp" high school and college audiences. (Also, elementary schools.)
Message: Posted by: Tukaram (Jun 5, 2015 10:25AM)
Since you start with a Professor's Nightmare they do see 3 sizes of rope. But once you stretch them to 3 equal lengths, there is no small one. After you remove 1 rope and the other 2 equal length ropes become one long rope... there is still no short rope. I realy like the way he shows the 2 equal ropes/then 1 long rope/2 equal/1 long back and forth. It helps reinforce that there is no short rope. They know something is going on... but they cannot follow it.

The only time it might be a problem is when you remove the ends to make an endless loop, or when you put the ends back on.... the only problem would be if I flash and that is me blowing the illusion. Other than that I just don't see it as a concern.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Jun 5, 2015 12:49PM)
This is a great dvd to learn rope effects.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 6, 2015 10:59AM)
But, I already know too many!! (hee hee) --Just a smart aleck comment! Sorry, couldn't resist.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Jun 7, 2015 02:13AM)
There are a lot of moves whereby you
don't have to show the ends removed.
The specs will never know.
I love his rope and ring routine.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 7, 2015 09:11AM)
In case the unfamiliar people who purchased Fiber Optics did not figure it out yet, or read the many posts on this topics, here is how to think of the complete routine.

The completed DVD is a compilation of rope tricks all messed and intertwined into one giant routine. Most of the moves and tricks are by other very famous magician. All Richard Sanders' did was assemble and combine them in an order. I say this because, if you don't like a mover or display, just leave it out. Nothing is written in stone, it is totally up to you, to even perform individual tricks if you want.

Don't try to learn the whole routine at once, take it a section at a time, completely learning each phase. When you have learned a new phase then add it to what you have already learned previously. Go over that complete part until it is natural for you to do and remember. Then move on again to the next phase, and repeat.

I whole heartedly disagree with you changing anything until you have learned the complete routine. There is a reason for each move and handling, and you will not see that purpose until you thoroughly learn the whole routine and can do it in you sleep.

Finally, don't tell me and everyone on the Café, what you don't like, tell them what you like. Keep the don't likes to yourself. Now get to work!
Message: Posted by: bowers (Jun 13, 2015 07:52PM)
I put in about twenty hours practice on the rope routine.
This is a very good rope effect.I feel that I have it mastered
pretty good.Now time to perform it.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 14, 2015 01:27AM)
I think Bill Hegbli explained the routine quite well. I'm not planning to change "my" rope routine. It came together over a period of years. It works. (for me!)

Nobody is forcing you to USE the entire routine. As Bill put it, LEARN the whole routine, a phase at a time. After you understand, and CAN DO IT (so that it ENTERTAINS an audience) then, you may be qualified to edit. --I view the routine as a smorgasbrod, or buffet. Just select the "foods" that YOU prefer. TASTE IS SUBJECTIVE!

In the early '70s, with the able assistance of my old friend, the late Dennis Loomis, we developed a rope routine that started with the Slydini "cut" to create a Nightmare "set". The Nightmare was presented, followed by the restoration of the three pieces of rope to a single rope. (Before the CONWAY "came out".) The routine was to provide a summation and finish for The Puzzling Environment program, which I presented in the season of '71-'72. It worked so well, that I expanded the routine. using a variation of the late Ken Allen's "If You Like It" routine, which was an update of the late Karl Germaine C&R rope, plus the Edward Victor C&R (as improved by Leon Maguire, and, myself). I had seen Ken's routine in 1954 at an MAES convention. (Incidentally,Jack Chanin and I had had a session at that same MAES convention, and Jack's suggestions forever changed my thinking about C&R rope routines.)I used "my" routine with great success, to open the high school program for about ten years.

Interestingly enough, Pop Haydn later brought out his "Mongolian Pop Knot". The basic effect of the "MPK" is almost the same as what I did for ten years. Pop never saw my routine. It was just a case of "parallel thought". To tell the truth, I like Pop's "version" better than what I did. If I were ever to "resurrect" the routine, I believe I would use Pop's!
Message: Posted by: bowers (Jun 14, 2015 02:02AM)
I'm talking about the ring and rope routine itself.
Not the whole fiber optic moves.The whole dvd make take a year.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Tukaram (Jun 14, 2015 09:05AM)
Even Richard Sanders says on the DVD to use what moves you like, mix and match as you want...
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 14, 2015 12:29PM)
[quote]On Jun 13, 2015, bowers wrote:
I'm talking about the ring and rope routine itself.
Not the whole fiber optic moves.The whole dvd make take a year.
Todd [/quote]

---Or a year and a half even!

Never having seen the Fiber Optics performed, my comments above were on the "Nightmare" phases, which I've only heard about.

I like Ring & Rope stuff, too! The late Phil Willmarth was a dear friend. I remember being his house guest when he was working on his ring & rope book in the late '60s. (Talk about "research"!!!

I wrote a piece on ring and rope awhile back. It's "buried" somewhere in the Café. My fascination started with the late Denny Loomis showing me the also late Stewart James' "Sefalaljia" back in '64.

Because I use Karrell's three ring routine in the act, I use ring and rope bits only for casual close up situations. --It's so easy to "jam" a little with this sort of material! I must constantly remind myself" "DON'T GO PAST THE END"!

I've used the acronym KISMIF (Keep It Simple Make It Fun) for years. It's my "rule"! The KIS can also mean: KEEP IT SHORT!
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 14, 2015 12:39PM)
[quote]On Jun 14, 2015, Tukaram wrote:
Even Richard Sanders says on the DVD to use what moves you like, mix and match as you want... [/quote]

Yes! I mentioned Karrell Fox's 3 ring routine just above. Karrell gave me his routine back in the early '70s when we had a "week long session". I was playing a mall in Detroit,and Karrell said, "Don't get a motel! We have a guest room!: It was a great session!

I've used his ROUTINE since. BUT, I changed all the lines to fit ME! (It has been a "marriage made in Heaven"!)

When Karrell died, I inherited his rings.
Message: Posted by: roningramii (Jun 22, 2015 04:49PM)
The Fiber Optics routine is indeed very pleasing "eye candy" for the audience. After rehearsing some of the moves, I decided to start mixing them in with my Tabary routine. Since the two routines are taught using opposite dominate hands to perform the moves, it has opened up a whole realm of effects.

With some help from IBM Ring 75, I have been able to develop an "original" opening and closing for the my routine.

At some point, I will go back and take other effects from FO and other routines to develop more "original" routines. Whether I ever perform the routine in it's entirety I don't know. But I will always be glad I made the investment in the video.
Message: Posted by: AndreaMooreMagic (Jul 1, 2016 09:29PM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2015, roningramii wrote:
The Fiber Optics routine is indeed very pleasing "eye candy" for the audience. After rehearsing some of the moves, I decided to start mixing them in with my Tabary routine. Since the two routines are taught using opposite dominate hands to perform the moves, it has opened up a whole realm of effects.

With some help from IBM Ring 75, I have been able to develop an "original" opening and closing for the my routine.

At some point, I will go back and take other effects from FO and other routines to develop more "original" routines. Whether I ever perform the routine in it's entirety I don't know. But I will always be glad I made the investment in the video. [/quote]

I had many problems with the routine as well. It started to appear more like juggling.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 2, 2016 07:41AM)
There's nothing inherently 'evil' about juggling! I CLOSE my rope routine with a rope juggling bit. I taught it to Gene Anderson, who also uses it, the late Dennis Loomis, who also used it. and, the late Bob Lewis, who used it for his walk off.

As far as I know, no one else is using it.
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jul 10, 2016 11:53AM)
Dick, is there any chance we can entice you to share what the 'rope juggling' is that you mention. I can't really picture what it might look like or even what it might be! Juggling circles of rope? Bundles of rope? Somehow juggling simple lengths of rope? I'm intrigued.

Cheers
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 10, 2016 03:24PM)
Hi Neal!

Busy as "heqq" today, but, yes, I'll get back ASAP! I'm very proud of the bit. I picked it up in Norfolk, VA, while helping in the old EDMAR MAGIC SHOP.
Message: Posted by: jcrabtree2007 (Jul 11, 2016 07:48AM)
Love Fiber Optics Rope Routine. Have been doing my version of Daryl's Rope Routine for close to 20 years now. Saw Fiber Optics and said, love this bit. and this bit. So I changed around my rope routine and I like it even better.
When I saw Richard perform the routine, I knew how most of it was done. Still, I was amazed at the illusion. I had that "What did I just see?" moment a few times. Great DVD.
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Jul 11, 2016 02:19PM)
I agree FO is a nice little rope routine. I like how he shows you the moves he doesn't use as everyones tastes are different
Message: Posted by: Doc Svengali (Oct 23, 2017 01:52AM)
Fiber Optics is a delightful routine to perform and to witness. If performed smoothly, it is very baffling for spectators and is definitely "eye candy". As pointed out by Bill and Dick, this is just a compilation of moves and sequences already well-known in the rope literature. But they are well-assembled into a routine with independent component parts. The beauty of it is that you can select or omit specific parts at your discretion without impairing the routine as a whole. If, for example, you do not want to show the small piece of rope for the "traveling ends" segments, simply leave it out.
Message: Posted by: todsky (Feb 6, 2018 05:33PM)
I get so much mileage out of Fibre Optics. No one ever catches on to any ‘incongruencies’ because the changes happen so fast. Perhaps the most versatile magic trick: I perform it for kids, adults, close up, and on stage.
Message: Posted by: warren (Feb 6, 2018 07:59PM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2015, plink wrote:
I love the DVD and the extensive ideas presented! I would recommend it highly to anyone doing any kind of rope magic. BUT... It makes me wonder that once you do any sequence where a short piece of rope is shown that you have given away the secret. Am I looking at this too much as a magician? Don't laymen see this to some extent? [/quote]

I agree with this completely once you start showing the little piece of rope you've just turned a miracle in to a trick, that's not to say the dvd is bad far from it I think it's excellent and was well worth spending my money on.

As others have said use what you like and discard what you don't like :)
Message: Posted by: MaveriQ (Feb 8, 2018 06:01PM)
[quote]On Feb 6, 2018, todsky wrote:
I get so much mileage out of Fibre Optics. No one ever catches on to any ‘incongruencies’ because the changes happen so fast. Perhaps the most versatile magic trick: I perform it for kids, adults, close up, and on stage. [/quote]

I agree 100%. The speed at which this can be performed means the audience is always playing catch-up!
Message: Posted by: stevesilk (Jun 4, 2018 07:12AM)
I had a go at taking the FO moves and create a connected and entertaining story around selected moves. It proved to be more challenging than I'd thought but I persisted and worked on it for almost a year. I'd like to think I now have a routine that is entertaining and magical. It starts with one long piece of rope and is cut in front of the audience to sidestep the problem of displaying the short bit. I'll be posting this on my website in the next few weeks and would like to get some feedback from other rope fanatics.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 4, 2018 11:10AM)
As an old, no, ancient geezer, who also likes "stuff with rope", I'll sure watch for it! Thanks!
Message: Posted by: How (Jun 16, 2018 04:09AM)
What ropes is good to purchase for this DVD?
Message: Posted by: tecumilic (Jul 10, 2018 08:27AM)
I belive many peapole start to se the routine as juggling becuse they have become used to the moves and they only se the method. The first time my mom watched it she was blown away. You don't get reactions from that by juggling. If you do a routine of fanzy card flourishes peapole don't scream they look at it and say "huh that looks cool" if they see something they cannot explain then they scream.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 10, 2018 01:02PM)
For those who may have followed this thread from the beginning, I have finally found a way to "explain" my "Norwegian YoYo, and am now communicating with Neal Austin (Sealegs).

Up to now, I have only shared it with friends when we were having a "session". Except for Gene Anderson, those friends have now passed away. I'm 86. I don't want the bit to be lost. Hopefully, Neal will be able to use it, and, perhaps, someday, share it.
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jul 11, 2018 10:22AM)
Looking forward to learning more about it... and thanks to Dick for sharing it with me.
Message: Posted by: todsky (Aug 12, 2018 05:25PM)
[quote]On Jun 16, 2018, How wrote:
What ropes is good to purchase for this DVD? [/quote]

Any decent white rope with the core removed is good. I use these:

http://magicstore.ca/?product=magic-rope-white-50ft-loftus&v=3e8d115eb4b3
Message: Posted by: Craig Petty (Jul 13, 2020 03:56PM)
As a lot of you know I’ve been posting videos recently of my 7 year old son performing magic. Partially because I am very proud of him and partly because it’s frustrating for him not being able to perform for real people at the moment and he gets a buzz reading other magicians comments.

Over the last few weeks I put up videos of him doing coin manipulation, card magic, cups and balls and sponge balls. However the fibre optics routine is something very new to him - rope magic. He’s worked on this routine for a long time.

A lot of you will know Richard Sanders Fibre Optics routine. It’s very tricky and lots of phases and when Ryland started he hadn’t done rope magic before.

I think he’s done an amazing job and wanted to share this. Let me know what you think as he reads everyone’s comments. And if you like it please subscribe to his channel. It would mean the world to him.

Thanks everyone.

https://youtu.be/NKT64wX9E18
Message: Posted by: vincentmusician (Oct 3, 2020 12:47PM)
Fiber optics is like an encyclopedia of rope moves which are modular and can be put together to build a routine. I have performed it for many years. However, my advice is to take the moves you like, take out the ones you don't and put together your own routine. It is the same with a lot of Magic out there. At the beginning it is okay to start with a routine you see. However, do not just copy every move and word someone else uses. What makes Magic Fun is when you create patter, moves and routines that show your own personality. That's what a good Magician does. Cheers!
Message: Posted by: peterwatch (Jan 15, 2022 05:57AM)
[quote]What makes Magic Fun is when you create patter, moves and routines that show your own personality. That's what a good Magician does. Cheers! [/quote]

Fiber optics is classic. Totally agree your thought. :)
Message: Posted by: CDenys (Jan 18, 2022 08:54AM)
Fiber optic is great. But for me the master is Tabary and his DVD.
Message: Posted by: magic.99 (May 13, 2022 07:59PM)
[quote]On Jan 18, 2022, CDenys wrote:
Fiber optic is great. But for me the master is Tabary and his DVD. [/quote]

Both are really fantastic studies on rope magic. I have both DVD's (Tabary 1&2) and would find it hard to place one above the other.
On another note, the Tabary book on rope magic is excellent!
Message: Posted by: magic.99 (May 13, 2022 08:01PM)
[quote]On Jul 13, 2020, Craig Petty wrote:
As a lot of you know I’ve been posting videos recently of my 7 year old son performing magic. Partially because I am very proud of him and partly because it’s frustrating for him not being able to perform for real people at the moment and he gets a buzz reading other magicians comments.

Over the last few weeks I put up videos of him doing coin manipulation, card magic, cups and balls and sponge balls. However the fibre optics routine is something very new to him - rope magic. He’s worked on this routine for a long time.

A lot of you will know Richard Sanders Fibre Optics routine. It’s very tricky and lots of phases and when Ryland started he hadn’t done rope magic before.

I think he’s done an amazing job and wanted to share this. Let me know what you think as he reads everyone’s comments. And if you like it please subscribe to his channel. It would mean the world to him.

Thanks everyone.

https://youtu.be/NKT64wX9E18 [/quote]

Amazing! That is tough routine for such a young person to remember. Is he still performing the routine? Let's see an updated video!!