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Topic: Kozar Pad Alternatives?
Message: Posted by: Daeld (Jul 23, 2015 09:10PM)
Hi guys,
I've used a Kozar pad for a little while, but it has over the last few years become a little torn, etc. I went online to order a new one and was saddened to see that it is out of stock pretty much everywhere and a direct email to the manufacturer revealed that it is no longer being made with no plans to ever make it again!

I'm after a recommendation of a pad that works in a similar way to the Kozar (i preferred it to other similar pads I used before).

The Add-A-Number-Pad by Basil Horwitz, seems like it might work on the same principle can anyone confirm that it would be a good alternative?

I would appreciate anyone pointing me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: Marc O (Jul 24, 2015 01:17AM)
Maybe this thread can help you:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=581990&forum=82&start=30
Message: Posted by: Daeld (Jul 24, 2015 04:37AM)
Thanks for that! I should have looked in inner. My apologies.
Message: Posted by: Matt Pulsar (Jul 24, 2015 05:14AM)
I'm working on developing one, and I have permission from the Kozar creators. Im planning for it to be leather and possibly have a few more bells and whistles. If you have any thoughts on what you would like included let me know. Currently it's in the prototype stage.
Message: Posted by: Investigative Mentalist (Jul 24, 2015 06:35PM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2015, StuartPalm wrote:
I'm working on developing one, and I have permission from the Kozar creators. Im planning for it to be leather and possibly have a few more bells and whistles. If you have any thoughts on what you would like included let me know. Currently it's in the prototype stage. [/quote]

Maybe it's just me, but a leather notepad seems a little too "fancy" and may attract attention.

Personally, I would like to see just a plain black vinyl cover to make it look like something you would pick up at Staples or Office Depot.

I have the original Kozar pad and I love it, but even that is a little "fancy" looking for my taste.
Message: Posted by: VIEW (Jul 24, 2015 06:40PM)
Yup. Plain. I wouldnt buy leather.

I like my kozars (I have 3) because they look like dollar store pads.
Message: Posted by: Daeld (Jul 31, 2015 05:27PM)
I'd buy both.
The fancy leather goes with my stage persona quite well. Maybe could be a premium version?
Message: Posted by: signal2noise (Jul 31, 2015 09:41PM)
[quote]On Jul 31, 2015, Daeld wrote:
I'd buy both.
The fancy leather goes with my stage persona quite well. Maybe could be a premium version? [/quote]


Same here. Maybe something like Moleskine.
Message: Posted by: Matt Pulsar (Aug 3, 2015 05:31AM)
Interesting, not the response I was expecting.
I can look into having something made that's more cheap looking but It won't last as well for sure. I don't think it's very out of place for a professional entertainer of mentalism to have a pad that has a leather cover. Nor do I think it would call suspicion. There are Indian guys who frequent the high end shopping malls where I live who approach people with a presentation about telling their fortune. They usually do a pretty basic double writing Q and A and then ask for money, it's pretty amazing to see...and they always end up approaching me, I don't know why...anyhow, even these guys use a small leather binder for all their paper and photos of their supposed guru's temple...
Something along the lines of this photo:
http://www.padholders.com/images/leather-jotters-lrg.jpg

I'm not sure It would be cost effective to go through the manufacturing trouble for something made cheaply in a cheap material.
Message: Posted by: davidlh (Aug 11, 2015 04:02AM)
Stuart, that's awesome! I'm SO glad that someone is in the works to resurrect (and/or improve on) the Kozar Pad. Luckily I got one right before they went out of stock everywhere, but I know it won't last forever!
Message: Posted by: pavelrodzevich (Aug 11, 2015 05:42AM)
[quote]On Jul 23, 2015, Daeld wrote:
Hi guys,
I've used a Kozar pad for a little while, but it has over the last few years become a little torn, etc. I went online to order a new one and was saddened to see that it is out of stock pretty much everywhere and a direct email to the manufacturer revealed that it is no longer being made with no plans to ever make it again!

I'm after a recommendation of a pad that works in a similar way to the Kozar (i preferred it to other similar pads I used before).

The Add-A-Number-Pad by Basil Horwitz, seems like it might work on the same principle can anyone confirm that it would be a good alternative?

I would appreciate anyone pointing me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance. [/quote]

It's still available on one Russian magic shop. Send you a PM
Message: Posted by: aukt (Aug 11, 2015 10:51AM)
[quote]On Aug 3, 2015, StuartPalm wrote:
Interesting, not the response I was expecting.
I can look into having something made that's more cheap looking but It won't last as well for sure. I don't think it's very out of place for a professional entertainer of mentalism to have a pad that has a leather cover. Nor do I think it would call suspicion. There are Indian guys who frequent the high end shopping malls where I live who approach people with a presentation about telling their fortune. They usually do a pretty basic double writing Q and A and then ask for money, it's pretty amazing to see...and they always end up approaching me, I don't know why...anyhow, even these guys use a small leather binder for all their paper and photos of their supposed guru's temple...
Something along the lines of this photo:
http://www.padholders.com/images/leather-jotters-lrg.jpg

I'm not sure It would be cost effective to go through the manufacturing trouble for something made cheaply in a cheap material. [/quote]

where do you live? I'd love to see these guys. do they have people write stuff down? or just a reading?
Message: Posted by: StephenRoy (Nov 22, 2016 09:50PM)
A Kozar pad is a pretty simple thing, some paper, a hole punch, an ACCO clip, the gimmick, and the cover. The issue is the cover is so hard to come by. I'd love to upgrade the look of mine to leather. Please let me know when/if this becomes available.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Nov 26, 2016 11:00AM)
It should be available in Black! To me the burgundy color seemed out of place and far from normal to many. I've never understood why others like this were never available. Please no pencil on a string or pulls. don't over complicate it. Strong magnets for fail safe use, standard paper refills, not a weird or abnormal size. Plan, ordinary look, not overly fancy skins or prints. Best of luck!
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Nov 26, 2016 12:20PM)
I often carry a leather-covered notebook and there's a ton of them available in places like Barnes and Nobles.

I can't say I'd pick up a Kozar pad because I don't know if I'd need it, but I would certainly be interested in a leather covered option.
Message: Posted by: John C (Nov 26, 2016 01:09PM)
There's certainly nothing wrong with leather. They are available at any office store. Not out of the ordinary.
Message: Posted by: magicsachin (Nov 26, 2016 10:51PM)
Satori w/Super Mento Pad is one of the most effective and affordable "Add A Number" effects on the market.
Measurements are approx. 5.5-inches tall by 3.25-inches wide.
Imported from Germany, it features a simple yet very effective gaff that works time after time :-)
Message: Posted by: Matt Pulsar (Nov 30, 2016 11:50AM)
[quote]On Aug 11, 2015, aukt wrote:
[quote]On Aug 3, 2015, StuartPalm wrote:
Interesting, not the response I was expecting.
I can look into having something made that's more cheap looking but It won't last as well for sure. I don't think it's very out of place for a professional entertainer of mentalism to have a pad that has a leather cover. Nor do I think it would call suspicion. There are Indian guys who frequent the high end shopping malls where I live who approach people with a presentation about telling their fortune. They usually do a pretty basic double writing Q and A and then ask for money, it's pretty amazing to see...and they always end up approaching me, I don't know why...anyhow, even these guys use a small leather binder for all their paper and photos of their supposed guru's temple...
Something along the lines of this photo:
http://www.padholders.com/images/leather-jotters-lrg.jpg

I'm not sure It would be cost effective to go through the manufacturing trouble for something made cheaply in a cheap material. [/quote]

where do you live? I'd love to see these guys. do they have people write stuff down? or just a reading? [/quote]

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I live in Hong Kong, and these guys are very interesting. They don't even really do a reading they just do a pellet switch and some double writing and people are in awe and give them money. Time and time again I'm told the story of someone who has seen the usual pitch and given money and they are always adamant that it was amazing and how could he know!

From these experiences I understand magicians guilt because the way these guys go about it is shameless and they are relentless in trying to get as much money as they can. They also will try and tell you that you will be cursed if you don't give something which makes me very angry. So when asked I can't stand aside and support them but I also don't want to kill the sense of wonder. Usually I say that these guys are not using what they have learned for good and will scam you as soon as they can and leave it at that. But I'm fascinated by how little it takes to make a miracle to the unsuspecting public.

If you ever end up in Hong Kong drop me a message.
Message: Posted by: mentalism addict (Jul 18, 2017 08:56PM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2015, StuartPalm wrote:
I'm working on developing one, and I have permission from the Kozar creators. Im planning for it to be leather and possibly have a few more bells and whistles. If you have any thoughts on what you would like included let me know. Currently it's in the prototype stage. [/quote]did this ever come out?
bec the kozar pad and satori w/super mento pad are impossible to get and I need to get a add a number pad for some thing in my show. I ordered the Horowitz pad and returned it bec its not what I wanted so if theres some thing like the kozar pad please post what it is asap thanks
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Jul 19, 2017 02:54AM)
Get Carlyle's!

I use these pads all the time, and make no mistake, - nothing could be more innocent than this.
The routine is great, you could use the pad for any routine though, and the package costs you 15$, - not 100 $ or more.

- or you could just use a small stack of indexcards.
That will work great too.

http://www.carlyletouch.com/add_a_number.html
Message: Posted by: MindAgent (Jul 19, 2017 03:43AM)
Marc Salem has a gimmick free version on his Penguin lecture you may want to check out.
Message: Posted by: mentalism addict (Jul 19, 2017 03:10PM)
[quote]On Jul 19, 2017, Sven Rygh wrote:
Get Carlyle's!

I use these pads all the time, and make no mistake, - nothing could be more innocent than this.
The routine is great, you could use the pad for any routine though, and the package costs you 15$, - not 100 $ or more.

- or you could just use a small stack of indexcards.
That will work great too.

http://www.carlyletouch.com/add_a_number.html [/quote]is carlyle's a pad of paper and if yes does it lock once you close it? bec. I need one that locks, and has a bunch of papers unlike the Horowitz pad
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Jul 20, 2017 03:35AM)
[quote]On Jul 19, 2017, mentalism addict wrote:
[quote]On Jul 19, 2017, Sven Rygh wrote:
Get Carlyle's!

I use these pads all the time, and make no mistake, - nothing could be more innocent than this.
The routine is great, you could use the pad for any routine though, and the package costs you 15$, - not 100 $ or more.

- or you could just use a small stack of indexcards.
That will work great too.

http://www.carlyletouch.com/add_a_number.html [/quote]is carlyle's a pad of paper and if yes does it lock once you close it? bec. I need one that locks, and has a bunch of papers unlike the Horowitz pad [/quote]

It is a regular note pad
It doesn't lock as such, but it doesn't have to.
If you handle it right, the spectators will never get to the force page.
Message: Posted by: John Jerde (Sep 22, 2018 04:50AM)
Osterlind teaches how to make an add a number pad on disc 2 of his Erie dvd.