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Topic: Wild Card turnovers/reveals
Message: Posted by: karnak (Jul 28, 2015 05:57PM)
Wild Card is another old chestnut I've recently dusted off, after years of neglect. In re-familiarizing myself with this effect, I seem to have several old sets of instructions for it from various manufacturers, which vary from each other with regard to the "reveals" at the end... and none of which I particlarly like, or find compelling or convincing.

Since there seem to be a variety of ways of performing this effect, I'm wondering: what are everyone's favorite ways of doing the "reveals" at the end, transforming the eight tabled cards (four face down, four face up) into duplicates of the lone Wild Card?

Also, what sorts of patter or plot do people like to use in the presentation? There must be something more interesting, or more with a plot or a logical motive, than to just announce, "Here are eight identical cards... now, watch... BOOM! Now, for some reason, they're eight other identical cards." (Why?)

Finally, is there really a good reason to start out with eight duplicates, plus the Wild Card (which all those other duplicates turn into duplicates of?) Might it work just as well if you started out with eight random (different) cards, which then all became the same as the Wild Card? Is there some difference in dramatic impact I'm missing here?
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Jul 28, 2015 06:23PM)
Check out Wiz Kid Qua-Fiki's "Wild Reindeer Games" from The Wizards' Journal #23 or my "Death and Taxes" from the Tarot Card Book Section of The Creepy Shoppe of Little Horrors.

In "Reindeer Games" Qua Fiki begins with eight Santas, like all the Santas you see on every street corner at Christmas, but then they turn into eight completely different (named) reindeer plus Rudolph for the finale.

In "Death and Taxes" I start with eight completely different Tarot Cards, which begin to turn, one by one, into "Death" cards and the punchline finale is when the Taxman appears.

So, to answer your question, yes you could start with eight different playing cards, random or a winning hand, that could all turn into a single Wild card, or a lollapaloosa (all cards losing) into a winning hand with or without wild cards. It's your choice and you just have to work it out to come up with the flashy finale you want to achieve.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Jul 28, 2015 11:01PM)
I don't think it gets any better than this:

[youtube]yvURE6ueeEk[/youtube]

[quote]On Jul 28, 2015, karnak wrote:
Wild Card is another old chestnut I've recently dusted off, after years of neglect. In re-familiarizing myself with this effect, I seem to have several old sets of instructions for it from various manufacturers, which vary from each other with regard to the "reveals" at the end... and none of which I particlarly like, or find compelling or convincing.

Since there seem to be a variety of ways of performing this effect, I'm wondering: what are everyone's favorite ways of doing the "reveals" at the end, transforming the eight tabled cards (four face down, four face up) into duplicates of the lone Wild Card?

Also, what sorts of patter or plot do people like to use in the presentation? There must be something more interesting, or more with a plot or a logical motive, than to just announce, "Here are eight identical cards... now, watch... BOOM! Now, for some reason, they're eight other identical cards." (Why?)

Finally, is there really a good reason to start out with eight duplicates, plus the Wild Card (which all those other duplicates turn into duplicates of?) Might it work just as well if you started out with eight random (different) cards, which then all became the same as the Wild Card? Is there some difference in dramatic impact I'm missing here? [/quote]
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Jul 29, 2015 10:32AM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2015, inigmntoya wrote:
I don't think it gets any better than this:

[/quote]

Neither do I. The best of all presentations!

Mark
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jul 29, 2015 06:13PM)
Tommy Wonder's is extraordinary. Have never done it because I don't feel I could do it justice
Message: Posted by: mrsmiles (Aug 10, 2015 05:55AM)
Dear Inigmntoya,
Thank you so much for posting that link. That presentation was magnificent, a delight to watch - an inspiration in fact. Thank you again.
Message: Posted by: Rocky (Aug 10, 2015 12:57PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2015, karnak wrote:
Wild Card is another old chestnut I've recently dusted off, after years of neglect. In re-familiarizing myself with this effect, I seem to have several old sets of instructions for it from various manufacturers, which vary from each other with regard to the "reveals" at the end... and none of which I particlarly like, or find compelling or convincing.

Since there seem to be a variety of ways of performing this effect, I'm wondering: what are everyone's favorite ways of doing the "reveals" at the end, transforming the eight tabled cards (four face down, four face up) into duplicates of the lone Wild Card?

Also, what sorts of patter or plot do people like to use in the presentation? There must be something more interesting, or more with a plot or a logical motive, than to just announce, "Here are eight identical cards... now, watch... BOOM! Now, for some reason, they're eight other identical cards." (Why?)

Finally, is there really a good reason to start out with eight duplicates, plus the Wild Card (which all those other duplicates turn into duplicates of?) Might it work just as well if you started out with eight random (different) cards, which then all became the same as the Wild Card? Is there some difference in dramatic impact I'm missing here? [/quote]


Start performing variations to audiences comprised of non-magicians and see where that takes you. So many times I've heard magicians analyze an effect. They dissect it to death trying to find contextual meaning and emotional responses yet NEVER PERFORM THE EFFECT to see how it plays for lay people...I think if we all performed magic as much as we discuss it, magic would be a much more appreciated art by the general public.
Message: Posted by: DelMagic (Aug 12, 2015 07:07PM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2015, karnak wrote:
Finally, is there really a good reason to start out with eight duplicates, plus the Wild Card (which all those other duplicates turn into duplicates of?) Might it work just as well if you started out with eight random (different) cards, which then all became the same as the Wild Card? Is there some difference in dramatic impact I'm missing here? [/quote]

I know I haven't studied a lot of Wild Card presentations, but I've seen quite a few and they either start out using the glide or the Hamman count to show the "faces" of the non-Wild cards. These sleights lead to duplicates being shown - though it isn't necessary that they all match. At a minimum, you will have 4-pairs of duplicates visible.
Message: Posted by: inaciolino (Aug 13, 2015 11:39AM)
Try this one:

[youtube]IL3byd8jfM4[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL3byd8jfM4
Message: Posted by: dj (Aug 14, 2015 11:39AM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2015, karnak wrote:
Finally, is there really a good reason to start out with eight duplicates, plus the Wild Card (which all those other duplicates turn into duplicates of?) Might it work just as well if you started out with eight random (different) cards, which then all became the same as the Wild Card? Is there some difference in dramatic impact I'm missing here? [/quote]


Look here: https://vimeo.com/115813699

Idon't use the Hamman Count.
I changed Vallarino's Wild Card routine a little, only the beginning.
At the beginning I show 8 cards without wild card.
When I showed the eight cards, now I show the wild card.





dj
Message: Posted by: Aaron Smith Magic (Sep 13, 2015 10:27PM)
Tommy's routine is my favorite, with Eric DeCamps' routine from the Stars of Magic video coming in at a close second.
Message: Posted by: Steven Keyl (Sep 13, 2015 11:22PM)
Jon Racherbaumer's Wild Card Kit has a lot of information that would be of interest to anyone pursuing this plot. You can view the contents and get an ecopy from L&L here:
http://llepub.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=45
Message: Posted by: arthur stead (Sep 20, 2015 11:18PM)
[quote]On Jul 29, 2015, inigmntoya wrote:
I don't think it gets any better than this:

[youtube]yvURE6ueeEk[/youtube]

[/quote]

Inigmntoya, I could watch that Tommy Wonder performance over and over again! Just superb.

A few years ago, I heard that someone had developed a little programmable beeping timer to use with Tommy's routine. Are they still available, and does anyone know where they can be purchased?
Message: Posted by: mtgoldstein (Oct 8, 2015 05:16PM)
One word : Tommy Wonder. :)
Message: Posted by: MagieFraudster (Oct 9, 2015 08:31PM)
I've been doing one with Jacks where all the Jacks are different famous Jacks (Jack Nicholson, Jack Sparrow, Jack Nicklaus, etc) that sell their soul to the devil (the deuce, 2) for fame. It helps to have a story that differentiates the cards that are all the same.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Oct 19, 2015 12:28AM)
Another great variation of the wild card concept is Peter Samelson's "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". It has a great storyline that relates back to the original "Body Snatchers" movie. While I love Tommy Wonder's "Tamed" routine (and I have Card-Shark's version of the cards), Peter's "Body Snatchers" takes the cake in my opinion. Here's a video of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywu5MduTkgI

Jim
Message: Posted by: gatorjim (Oct 26, 2015 01:19PM)
Tommy was truly a wonder...extraordinary timing, patter, stichk, superb ability and showmanship that fascinated and entertained across the world. The Tamed Cards routine is one of my all time favorites. Tommy's early passing deprived countless others of laughter and amazement at the hands of a master. Tommy truly was one-of-a-kind in magic entertainment.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 27, 2015 01:45PM)
I agree with J-Mac, the Body Snatchers is a great premise, especially at this time of year.
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Oct 27, 2015 02:36PM)
[quote]On Sep 21, 2015, arthur stead wrote:

A few years ago, I heard that someone had developed a little programmable beeping timer to use with Tommy's routine. Are they still available, and does anyone know where they can be purchased? [/quote]

Just so you know, you don't need an expensive programmable beeper or remote control unit for this- our Wiz Kids have used a regular Supermarket Kitchen Timer Beeper that can be tucked under a wrist watch wrist band and set off with the press of a button. It takes a few seconds for anyone to hear it and recognize it as some kind of alarm. Everyone usually looks around to see who is beeping, and then the Wiz Kid suddenly realizes it is coming from his "watch", shuts it off and continues with why it was beeping (it has more uses than just with Tommy Wonder's Tamed Wild Card routine - so it is well worth the couple of bucks to buy and carry one around).
Message: Posted by: Jon Strum (Nov 16, 2015 05:33PM)
I saw Peter Samelson perform his Invasion of the Body Snatchers version of Wild Card in 1976, when I was relatively new to magic, and I never forgot it. How's that for creating a lasting impression???

I will second J-Mac's suggestion. Samelson's routine elevates the effect from something that puzzles your audience to a piece of intimate magical theater.
Message: Posted by: Brad Jeffers (Nov 20, 2015 03:57AM)
[quote]On Jul 28, 2015, karnak wrote:
Wild Card is another old chestnut I've recently dusted off, after years of neglect. In re-familiarizing myself with this effect, I seem to have several old sets of instructions for it from various manufacturers, which vary from each other with regard to the "reveals" at the end... and none of which I particlarly like, or find compelling or convincing.[/quote]

I suggest that you get a copy of the L&L Publishing Wild Card dvd. It's one of their World's Greatest Magic series and has performances & explainations by Steve Dacri, Darwin Ortiz, Harry Allen, Tommy Wonder, Eric Decamps, Boris Wild, and Scotty York.
If you can't find anything that suits you there, then I would move on to something else.

[quote]Finally, is there really a good reason to start out with eight duplicates, plus the Wild Card (which all those other duplicates turn into duplicates of?) Might it work just as well if you started out with eight random (different) cards, which then all became the same as the Wild Card? Is there some difference in dramatic impact I'm missing here?[/quote]

You can devise a routine where different random cards are changed into the Wild Card, but you would have to sacrifice some of the more beautiful transformations, which are only possible with the traditional Wild Card setup.
Message: Posted by: Jon Strum (Nov 27, 2015 01:39PM)
Just wondering if anyone can recommend a good version of Wild Card that's done in the hands?

I've always counted on having a table available, so that the "changed" cards can visually accumulate. But maybe someone has another way...?
Message: Posted by: Feral Chorus (Nov 29, 2015 02:11PM)
One suggestion. In The Hands Wild Card by Tom Dobrowolski. Take a look and see what you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1idb2JmHaw
Message: Posted by: Jon Strum (Nov 29, 2015 06:00PM)
I really like Tom's handling. But if he wasn't using his close-up pad to hold the packet of cards while the spectator chooses the "wild card", where else would he put them?

I'm making 2 assumptions here - that the packet of cards should stay visible once he "shows" those cards, and that he wouldn't want to use the spectator's hands as a table for that packet of cards.

So I'm wondering if this is a purely "in the hands" working of wild card.
Message: Posted by: Tom Dobrowolski (Dec 4, 2015 09:38PM)
Thanks Feral Chorus for posting my video and the suggestion. Appreciate it.

Hi John Strum,

Glad you like the handling. This was originally developed for walk around situations.When I do it walk around I have a card "selected" first put the deck away and then introduce the wild card packet. I do the changes placing all the cards in the spectators hands once they've changed as in the video. When displaying/separating the cards into 2 piles near the end I put the packets in 2 spectators hands one on each side. I the put the 2 packets back together go right onto the final count/display. Once they're shown to be jokers again I put the packet of cards away. For years I did a packet switch at the end and would give away the jokers. My DVD has a performance done without a table as I just described it. If I do have a surface I will use it pretty much as you see here.

Thanks again for the interest and kind words about the routine. It's served me well for many years. Any other questions just ask. Cheers.- Tom
Message: Posted by: Jon Strum (Dec 5, 2015 01:32AM)
Thanks for helping me to see this handling as a true 'in the hands' version of the effect. I appreciate every choice you've made here. And I appreciate even more that you were willing to take the time to draw me such a perfectly detailed map. Thanks Tom!
Message: Posted by: Tom Dobrowolski (Dec 5, 2015 02:40PM)
No worries Jon. Glad it helped!
Message: Posted by: HoDinhYu (Jan 20, 2016 10:17AM)
Tommy Wonder's version is the best I know. Very clean and the display is elegant at the end.
Message: Posted by: mindthump (May 25, 2016 09:57AM)
I've started using a "Walking Dead" type zombie-infection story. I really like Dan Harlan's "Walk on the Wild Side" for some nice reveals, in the hands.
Message: Posted by: RDeNatale (Jun 20, 2016 02:25PM)
[quote]On May 25, 2016, mindthump wrote:
I've started using a "Walking Dead" type zombie-infection story. I really like Dan Harlan's "Walk on the Wild Side" for some nice reveals, in the hands. [/quote]

Yes, I've been working on "Walk on the Wild Side" I like it.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Jun 20, 2016 10:42PM)
How about these? Some different handlings in and amongst and none of these use playing cards.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=water+to+wine+packet+trick+by+paul+hallas&&view=detail&mid=33567495D9B56721B2F033567495D9B56721B2F0&rvsmid=33567495D9B56721B2F033567495D9B56721B2F0&fsscr=0&FORM=VDMCNL

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ESPecially+wild+by+paul+hallas&view=detail&mid=21FE7B9B49D01132A10021FE7B9B49D01132A100&FORM=VIRE

http://paulromhanymagic.myshopify.com/products/happy-faces-2

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wild+card+for+kids+trick&view=detail&mid=A75CB8D5D68DD940CBA2A75CB8D5D68DD940CBA2&FORM=VIRE

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=wild+mona+by+terry+lagerauld&view=detail&mid=5B687853C02EFF81B39B5B687853C02EFF81B39B&FORM=VIRE

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=zombie+town+by+evildan&&view=detail&mid=2E8B84C38D684D1F5C282E8B84C38D684D1F5C28&FORM=VRDGAR
Message: Posted by: karnak (Jun 21, 2016 08:12AM)
Great stuff! And much food for thought... thanks!
Message: Posted by: William Dee (Jun 21, 2016 08:31AM)
I have been reading Frank Garcia's Wildcard book and there are some great ideas in it that go beyond the standard.
It's a great resource for the trick that is generally pretty inexpensive and as they say "sometimes that which is old is new again".