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Topic: FLIGHT by Michael Afshin & Vortex Magic
Message: Posted by: Cole Gross (Sep 24, 2015 10:59AM)
Just put this up for Preorder at Hocus Pocus and offering FREE WORLDWIDE SHIPPING if you Preorder from us. One coin routine to RULE THEM ALL!

Check out more here and be sure to watch the video:
http://www.hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/?p=31552

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FLIGHT is a full coin routine that combines Matrix and 3 Fly in to a full routine that is ideal for all performing situations. You can perform the entire routine as taught by creator Michael Afshin or perform parts of it depending on where you are performing.

The gimmick coins will turn you in to a coin expert and allow you to do some incredible visual magic. YOU can create miracles from productions, transpositions and vanishes. FLIGHT does it all with beautifully crafted coins that purchased alone would cost twice this amount.

ROUTINES taught:

FLIGHT - the complete coin act - coins appear, travel, and vanish. This is Afshin signature coins routine. Matrix - three coins clearly travel from one card to another then vanish.

Stand-Up 3 Fly - Live performances and tutorial of Afshin performing this miracle using the gimmick coin. Imagine using ONE coin to do the most incredible 3 Fly - also included is Afshin's 'shocking' stand-up 3 Fly where he apparently eats coins and makes them appear from his nose.

Ring to Coin and Coin to Ring - a finger ring visually turns in to a coin which turns in to three coins. Each coin vanishes until the last coin turns back in to a finger ring.

Afshin Turn-Over - an incredible vanish of a coin and playing card. This move has fooled even the most knowledgeable magicians. Long kept a secret by Afshin and released on here for the first time.

Coins to Pocket - Three coins placed inside your pocket reappear at your fingertips.

This diabolical routine by Afshin is supplied with a custom made coin which will enable you to easily perform many different routines. The only sleight needed, and taught, is a retention vanish.

One coin routine to RULE THEM ALL.
Message: Posted by: T.G. Jones (Sep 24, 2015 11:11AM)
Absolute trash. Don't believe the dealer hype. Steer well clear. Pre-order at your peril.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Sep 24, 2015 11:17AM)
[quote]On Sep 24, 2015, T.G. Jones wrote:
Absolute trash. Don't believe the dealer hype. Steer well clear. Pre-order at your peril. [/quote]

T.G.


I would appreciate it if you could kindly elaborate the basis of your opinion. Is it the routine or the gaffed set of coins or both that you do not like?

Thank you very much.
Michael
Message: Posted by: Cole Gross (Sep 24, 2015 01:55PM)
[quote]On Sep 24, 2015, T.G. Jones wrote:
Absolute trash. Don't believe the dealer hype. Steer well clear. Pre-order at your peril. [/quote]

It is impossible to review this because there are only 3 sets that have been released and in existence to date and they are in the hands of the creators and working professionals, so it would be impossible for you to know it is hyped or trash.

If you feel it isn't worth buying or isn't for you, of course you don't have to buy it, but don't ruin it based on impossible speculation for others who may be interested.

Cole
Hocus Pocus
Message: Posted by: Calvin826 (Sep 24, 2015 02:14PM)
Well, I wont call it trash because I obviously don't have it. However, the trailer is insulting to anyone over 12 years old. Almost turned it off when, after 10-15 seconds, I still knew nothing of the effect. When the 'effect' came on screen, there were so many jump cuts, blurs, shaky camera effects and noise that (suprise!) you really can't tell if this is a worker or not.

What I did see looked like a confusing version of Paul Richard's JW Supercoin handling, edited by the aforementioned 12yr old who downloaded a bootleg copy of Adobe After Effects from the internet.

Creators...If you cannot promote your effect/routine/gimmick without hiding most of it behind what looks like a trailer for a crappy, low budget, direct to video Inception knock-off, then I will not be buying. Stop insulting your audience, guys- seriously.
Message: Posted by: Slackerking (Sep 24, 2015 02:31PM)
[quote]On Sep 24, 2015, Cole Gross wrote:
[quote]On Sep 24, 2015, T.G. Jones wrote:
Absolute trash. Don't believe the dealer hype. Steer well clear. Pre-order at your peril. [/quote]

It is impossible to review this because there are only 3 sets that have been released and in existence to date and they are in the hands of the creators and working professionals, so it would be impossible for you to know it is hyped or trash.

If you feel it isn't worth buying or isn't for you, of course you don't have to buy it, but don't ruin it based on impossible speculation for others who may be interested.

Cole
Hocus Pocus [/quote]

He can speculate all he wants just like you can come on and hype up crap products like you want and did with Phantom. Maybe he's been screwed by that creator before. Who knows. It's his opinion. After your ridiculous hype for Phantom which no doubt caused some people to buy but has since been derided as one of the worst products of the year, I'll take his word over yours. And unless you are connected to the production of the effect, I'm not really sure how you could know how many test sets are in existence. And if you are then that's even less reason to trust the hype.
Message: Posted by: Cole Gross (Sep 24, 2015 02:47PM)
[quote]On Sep 24, 2015, Slackerking wrote:
[quote]On Sep 24, 2015, Cole Gross wrote:
[quote]On Sep 24, 2015, T.G. Jones wrote:
Absolute trash. Don't believe the dealer hype. Steer well clear. Pre-order at your peril. [/quote]

It is impossible to review this because there are only 3 sets that have been released and in existence to date and they are in the hands of the creators and working professionals, so it would be impossible for you to know it is hyped or trash.

If you feel it isn't worth buying or isn't for you, of course you don't have to buy it, but don't ruin it based on impossible speculation for others who may be interested.

Cole
Hocus Pocus [/quote]

He can speculate all he wants just like you can come on and hype up crap products like you want and did with Phantom. Maybe he's been screwed by that creator before. Who knows. It's his opinion. After your ridiculous hype for Phantom which no doubt caused some people to buy but has since been derided as one of the worst products of the year, I'll take his word over yours. And unless you are connected to the production of the effect, I'm not really sure how you could know how many test sets are in existence. And if you are then that's even less reason to trust the hype. [/quote]

T.J. Jones is entitled to his opinion like you or anyone else, so am I not entitled to dispute his opinion?
He didn't provide any reasoning for his statement (like possibly having a bad experience with the creator, etc.), so why should that statement scare others away from a product without any posted reason?

I am not, nor is Hocus Pocus, affiliated with this product in any way but a simple phone call provided me the information from the creator needed to post what I wrote.

Also please re-read my post, I did not hype this product. I am doing my job which is to inform magicians of new releases. I just posted it with a link saying we have it up for Preorder and that you can watch the video and read the ad copy.

The hype on Phantom came from many sources, not just me, and although many people have been unhappy with it, others have really enjoyed it and use it regularly. Again we all have our own opinions.

If you have any personal issues with me or my posts on the Café, please call me directly toll free 800-407-4040 or pm me.

Cole
Message: Posted by: Slackerking (Sep 24, 2015 03:18PM)
I have no problems with anyone's posts, the Café is a place for people to post opinions. And you need to re-read my post as I didn't say you hyped this product. You did however hype phantom (Eggnik has killed it with this release) unless you meant it literally :) and yes maybe that was your opinion but it's a little funny that the only positive feedback came from sellers. I'd be very interested to hear of anyone who uses it regularly or at all for that matter. But back to the topic at hand.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Sep 24, 2015 03:19PM)
Yes the trailer is terrible...
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 24, 2015 03:36PM)
One coin routine TO RULE THEM ALL. Wow. I must pre-order right away.
Message: Posted by: T.G. Jones (Sep 24, 2015 03:58PM)
[quote]On Sep 24, 2015, Cole Gross wrote:
I am doing my job which is to inform magicians of new releases. I just posted it with a link saying we have it up for Preorder and that you can watch the video and read the ad copy.
[/quote]
Therein lies the problem.

When I used to deal I would pre-screen products for my customers. Not just inform them about new releases. I'd try the product and let some of my reliable friends in magic and special customers try it out before I would go anywhere near a sale. That way I could give potential buyers an informed opinion. They trusted me.

BTW, I've sold enough gimmicked coin tricks to know this one isn't the 'One coin routine to RULE THEM ALL!' as you say. Could you justify that statement please? If you can then I'll apologise to everyone on the Café.

Tony
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Sep 24, 2015 04:04PM)
Wow, you guys take things way too literally... I guess no one here is familiar with Lord of The Rings...
Message: Posted by: Cole Gross (Sep 24, 2015 04:32PM)
'One coin routine to RULE THEM ALL!' is the tag line from the product description. I usually put that teaser information at the top of the post. I am sorry if that came across as my opinion.
I, like TuneHV, thought it was a clever Lord of the Rings pun and was using the marketing material provided with the product.
Cole
Message: Posted by: Slackerking (Sep 24, 2015 04:47PM)
Everyone seems grumpy this week, me included :)
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Sep 25, 2015 01:41AM)
The trailer doesn't show anything???? Very sad. Cut out the Hollywood blockbuster hype and actually show us some routines please to back up the bold boasts.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Sep 25, 2015 01:47AM)
Is there somewhere that shows what the coin looks like, as well as the size?
Message: Posted by: Calvin826 (Sep 25, 2015 09:07AM)
Is this not Johnny Wong's SuperCoin with a few needlessly flourishy Karate Coin moves thrown in? Just speculation at this point- because, as mentioned earlier, the trailer is worthless. Unless, of course part of the get-ready for the effect involves carefully studying a blank-paged notebook, running down the stairs, hanging out in the subway and wearing stupid glasses.
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Sep 25, 2015 12:16PM)
Are the coins Uncirc Morgans, as it appears in the trailer, or halves? Kind of important to know.

I sympathize with the frustration here with another overly dramatic trailer providing little information. I agree a bit with TG's sentiment; that I would hope that my go-to dealer would help me weed out the crap from the cream. Unfortunately, the major dealers seem to primarily want to sell anything that will sell...I don't know that I can argue with that, but I yearn for something better..Vanishing inc seems the closest right now. No offense to Cole. He is doing his job, but it seems OUR hope (or at least some of us...some more indignantly than others) is that a dealer would emerge that would sift through the hype and give us a bit more discernment. Perhaps NOT ordering 500 units on preorder. Maybe ordering one to evaluate and critique BEFOREHAND. Where is the dealer that takes the hit FOR us instead of putting us in the line of fire (wasting our cash on crap....all I can think of is CHANGE from Ellusionist...yes I got burned). :(
Message: Posted by: T.G. Jones (Sep 25, 2015 12:27PM)
Kenodad, you talk a lot of sense. If I was a younger man I'd get back into the game and show this new crop of dealers how to add value to customers and increase business at the same time. The current crop of dealers favour hype over genuine value add to drive sales, which isn't sustainable in my experience.

Here's my challenge to the dealers. Start putting customers first, stop selling them tat, make informed recommendations and watch your long term revenue and profit rise. Any book on business basics will tell you that.
Message: Posted by: Ado (Sep 25, 2015 09:49PM)
I spent an evening with Michael a month ago or so. I was doing street magic, and I stumbled upon him and some buskers. He did several of his coin routines to me and to people in the streets. The reactions from the audience were very good. Michael is a sweet guy, and he's got chops. I have not seen the DVD, but if it teaches what I saw the other day, I think that's good. 139$ is expensive, so I understand that the hobbyist may not want to invest in it to entertain the friends and family. Those who make a living out of magic may find higher returns. But we'll wait for actual reviews...

P!
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Sep 27, 2015 10:47PM)
I really love coin routines and effects, so I eagerly pressed play to watch this trailer.
Oh, no, I thought. Not another quick edit, all about nothing, pretentious trailer.
After about 30 seconds into it, I knew nothing about this trick. And the rest of the trailer shows nothing more than small snippets of the effect along with reactions.
Note to the Manufacturers of this effect: The trailer persuaded me NOT to buy this product.
Excellent job, if that's your intent with this ad.
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Sep 28, 2015 12:18PM)
Don't like what little I saw here. Ashfin's international 3 fly was a joy to watch but as with all coins that come with tricks like this they're all performed with dollar size gimmicks on the demo yet only sold in half dollar size!

The option would be nice.
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Sep 29, 2015 05:16PM)
I have PM'd Cole with no response and I have an inquiry to Penguin...WHAT IS THE COIN THAT COMES WITH THE PRODUCT? Seems important to know...very, very deceptive if the coin in the teaser and the provided coin are different...especially when a preorder is offered....WHAT IS IT THAT IS BEING PREORDERED? I am sure of what the gimmicked coin is, and I would be willing to pay the asking price for a coin like is being used in the trailer.

Geez.
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Sep 29, 2015 07:22PM)
OK. For the curious..apparently it is a dollar-sized coin, per Penquin support.
Message: Posted by: MikeTheKid (Sep 29, 2015 09:31PM)
Michael has been doing this routine for a long time in his busketing routine, it does work on lay people and also kids ( I have seen it myself ), it is a worker for sure, and the price is cheaper than buying the actually gimmick from other places too, trailer did not tell too much and I agree, but I know this guy personally, so I am pretty sure this will not disappoint anyone, but stil have to wait for the actual review :)
Message: Posted by: Robert Sixx (Sep 29, 2015 10:33PM)
[quote]On Sep 29, 2015, kenodad wrote:
OK. For the curious..apparently it is a dollar-sized coin, per Penquin support. [/quote]

I would be cautious, I have found Penguin's support to be lacking of late. When I can get an answer to a question, it is either not confident or just wrong. I recently asked them a question about whether the trick Reshuffled came with a pre-marked or unmarked deck, they told me that it was absolutely pre-marked - which is completely untrue.

So, just be careful.

Robert
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Sep 30, 2015 11:16AM)
Robert: Thanks for the heads up..Yes, I have had a bit of misinformation at times. But...I got confirmation from Cole from Hocus Pocus. The gimmicks are replica Morgan.

I took the plunge. I will pass a review along unless someone beats me to it. If this is what I think it is, the gimmick alone in Morgans is worth it because I use Morgans in most of my coin work.
Message: Posted by: Cole Gross (Sep 30, 2015 12:05PM)
I just opened up a Flight, and I have to say the coins included are very nice. I have attached a pic below showing what is included in the package: 3 Morgan replicas and the other things needed for the full routine. There is a link and password for the video instructions.

Order yours now with free worldwide shipping from Hocus Pocus here:
http://www.hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/?p=31552

Call me toll free with any other questions 800-407-4040

Cole
Message: Posted by: Robert Sixx (Sep 30, 2015 02:01PM)
I'm now more interested in knowing more about this.

Robert
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Oct 1, 2015 02:13AM)
Quick question. What is the difference between buying this compared to Johnny Wong's Super Triple Facer, apart from being Morgan replicas?
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Oct 2, 2015 10:42AM)
Sean, I do not have the coins yet, but I believe you have described the nature of the gimmick. It is difficult and expensive to get Morgan replicas, so I am hoping the quality of the gimmicks is fair to good. I will post when I get the coins (tomorrow).
John
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Oct 3, 2015 11:17AM)
Would love to see the routine uncut. Trailer is terrible.
Thanks for the pics of the coins. Cole
Looking forward to the review keno.


Thanks!
Message: Posted by: T.G. Jones (Oct 3, 2015 01:34PM)
It's a shame the coins are reproduction. As the law requires they must be clearly stamped with the word COPY. Magic Makers sold a similar thing using reproduction coins called Illusion Coins for under $100 from memory.
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Oct 5, 2015 09:25PM)
OK. I got the set, played with the coins and watched the teaching video (via internet). The gimmick is not new (no surprise). It is not what I thought (unfortunately). It is a d***bl sh**ed coin and 2 extras (regular coins). The coins are Morgan-like, but a bit smaller. Problem is the outer sh** does not fit on the extras, which is not necessary for the routines provided, but would have allowed for many more routines.
The gimmick is passable, but I am biased by having grown accustom to Lassen and Schoolcraft quality (these are not, hence the price).
The routines are good. A well-structured matrix-type routine with 3 jumbo cards, coins to pocket combination. The stand-up routines are nice, practical, magical. The ring routine is clear...may take some work for the ring to coin and vice versa sequence.
Overall, I think the routines could have been on a $30-50 DVD..."Routines with the triple thread or 3cm or double sh***), or something like that. The gimmicks are worth about $60-100, depending on how they hold up. If someone doesn't have this type of gimmick, it is a good introduction and something to play with, but there are much better quality and versatile ones available..my biggest gripe is the outer sh*** does not fit on other coins.
I am happy to answer other questions via pm. I don't track these forums too closely, so I may not answer a question if it is asked publicly here,
John
Message: Posted by: Byoungmagic (Jan 16, 2016 10:45AM)
I like the ideas put forth in the routine, however the "Schoolcraft 3CMX would be a better choice for the routine.
It made me revisit my 3cm coin and the Flight routine opened up more possibilities with the gimmick.