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Topic: The Revolution Box by Alexis De La Fuente
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Oct 11, 2015 05:11AM)
Hi there,

Just to let you know that my latest trick is now out (on the French market, will be on Murphys soon) and it's... A card to box, just what magic needs ! Yes, another one, will you need it ? Probably not but I think the advantages of mine were good enough to justify the release of the box.

So, I won't explain the routine because it's a card to impossible location but I will insist on the (+) my box have compared to others :

- Box is examinable
- Gimmick can be interchanged easily, in less than 5 seconds (so if you want to go with a card or a billet, you can put the gimmick you want in the box and be ready in no time)
- The gimmick has a 3D looking ! (not just a single flat quarter of a card)
- The card in the box can move, you can SEE and HEAR the card rattled inside the box
- Spectator can unfold the card himself, nothing to palm or hide in your hands !
- If you want to use another box, you can ! Since the box isn't gimmicked, you could use a matchbox or a ring box to perform "Revolution Box"
- The reset is very fast, just go in your pocket, take another folded card and place it inside the box, it can be done in front of the spectators, perfect for walkaround !
- You don't need any table or black mat here, you can perform it stand up !
- The price ! The final product will be sold at $39.99 which is very very fair considering the amount of stuff you get.
- The box never leaves the field of view of the spectator

Included in the package :
- The clear box
- A small black bag to keep the box inside
- The main gimmick
- A gimmick for the object that will be inside the box
- A thing to customize your gimmick
- a DVD in english

I'm very happy with the final product, it feels very classy and I'm sure you will like it as much as I do !

Here is the trailer to give you an idea :

[youtube]hpmIl-RtGd4[/youtube]

And, since I know Café members do like live performance, here it is, just for you : (Did I say my box isn't mean to be a magician fooler ? Because this is an argument some people have to boost their sales which is, in my opinion, pointless because I don't do magic for magician ;) )

[youtube]UZdeW9Zm2pY[/youtube]

Thanks a lot guy for reading me and I hope you will enjoy my product ! If you have any question, feel free to ask.
Message: Posted by: Fatgumbo (Oct 11, 2015 05:22AM)
Can you explain the live performance demo? It simply looks like you take the card out of the box and perform a shuttle pass, not sure where or how gimmick comes into play in that performance
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Oct 13, 2015 08:51AM)
Well, not to sound too negative but why is this not a a big step backwards from Jon Allen's Paragon which is the cleanest darn card to box currently out there?
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Oct 13, 2015 09:04AM)
Because I wanted the spectator can freely open the folded card and you don't have to palm anything :)
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Oct 13, 2015 10:03AM)
Big rip off from Jonathan Kam 's toi box
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Oct 13, 2015 10:04AM)
Ditto
Message: Posted by: GalloMagic (Oct 13, 2015 11:29AM)
Can you show the box empty afterwards?
Message: Posted by: Jon Allen (Oct 13, 2015 01:01PM)
What leads you to think that with Paragon 3D you can't hand out the card to be freely opened by someone?

I'll be intentionally vague here..... The move you do at the moment you do it is way more difficult than doing what needs to be done at the time it's done with Paragon 3D.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Oct 13, 2015 01:25PM)
Oh and no need to do a perfect MCF with mine too.

I think.. Wait, no, I know that you have to do something before handing the card out with Paragon 3D Jon, which doesn't mean your box is not good. It's just a different approach so that it can fit the style of everyone :)

Bravo for your box by the way !
Message: Posted by: Jon Allen (Oct 13, 2015 02:38PM)
No need for a perfect MCF with mine either :-)

Thank!
Message: Posted by: JoelDickinson (Oct 13, 2015 05:08PM)
I'm not sure about the handling and don't want to turn this into a battle of the boxes thread but is the handling completely different to Paragon 3D Jon, it's a genuine question because I don't know the answer.

Joel.
Message: Posted by: MagicHelper (Oct 13, 2015 05:27PM)
Yet ANOTHER Alex De La Fluente rip off. Everyone should stay as far away from Alex De La Fluente as possible. This guy has ripped off too many people to count over the years. Also everything he "creates" is always a step or two backwards from things that already exist.

Don't take my word for it, just listen to what other people say about him. It makes me sad that people like him are in our industry.
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Oct 13, 2015 05:40PM)
I use Paragon and hand the card out for the spectator to open. The magic happens in their hands plus lots of misdirection to clean up.

If the major selling point of the Revolution box is that the spectator opens the card, well I'm confused as I do that with Paragon????

I'm therefore struggling to see why someone would buy this? Sorry.
Message: Posted by: toointoit (Oct 14, 2015 04:55AM)
[quote]On Oct 13, 2015, MagicHelper wrote:
Yet ANOTHER Alex De La Fluente rip off. Everyone should stay as far away from Alex De La Fluente as possible. This guy has ripped off too many people to count over the years. Also everything he "creates" is always a step or two backwards from things that already exist.

Don't take my word for it, just listen to what other people say about him. It makes me sad that people like him are in our industry. [/quote]

Thank you for finally bringing up this point. I find it humorous that Alex feels as though he is moving this plot forward by bringing this out...this is a major step backwards =(.
On a sidenote: I do not feel guilty for putting this down. Alex seems to be EXTREMELY critical of others releases which comes across as being a strong bias to his "own" material. It is my understanding that murphys sends him review products for free every few weeks to "review", which I believe is his ploy to learn new methods and change them around to "create" his own releases=(...
sorry for being harsh, but I have seen a trend in his behavior and I stayed quiet far too long to see this continue.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Oct 14, 2015 05:20AM)
I don't understand all the negativity around there.. May I ask which trick did I ripped off ?

Anyway, it's funny to see people jealous and mean with me, I just want to provide stuff that has been worked.

They are a lot of options on the market for boxes and mine is just another way to look at the plot, with pros and cons.

No need to be harsh nor negative.

P.S. : I won't comment on the fact those guys that are attacking me are freshly new member, with nothing but post on this topic.. Funny :)
Message: Posted by: toointoit (Oct 14, 2015 05:35AM)
[quote]On Oct 14, 2015, Alex DLF wrote:
I don't understand all the negativity around there.. May I ask which trick did I ripped off ?

Anyway, it's funny to see people jealous and mean with me, I just want to provide stuff that has been worked.

They are a lot of options on the market for boxes and mine is just another way to look at the plot, with pros and cons.

No need to be harsh nor negative.

P.S. : I won't comment on the fact those guys that are attacking me are freshly new member, with nothing but post on this topic.. Funny :) [/quote]

Another way to look at the plot?..it looks like the same outcome to me...even though you may have worked this, does not mean that it is worthy of a release...this is a major step backwards...a major step forward would be...the magician would never touch the box..ever..and the spec removes the card.

I am also not a freshly new member..I have been here a while..just watching..now I plan to talk a bit.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Oct 15, 2015 10:57AM)
I just find it strange that everyone is bashing this box when there has been a flood of them released in the past few years and each one of those has been met with nothing but respect.

Why is this any different from when Penn released Mystery Box, or Dobson's 3Sixty or Jon Alans Paragon? I don't recall this level of negativity on those items?

I don't know Alex DLF personally or have any of his other effects but I do know that he seems to be a very active and engaged contributor to the community. So why not show the same level of respect for his clear box as you have shown to the flood of others that have poured in? I'm sure his has its own perks and drawbacks..just like all the others.

And if you prefer a different method, then right on, stick with that. But he has just as much of a right to release his version than those before him.

Seems to me though that the issues are stemming from overall fatigue with the card in clear box concept. That unless it happens by real magic, no real need for another version.

Which I understand (as does DLF...see the opening line in his post), but don't be disrespectful to the creator about it.
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Oct 15, 2015 11:44AM)
His effect is a rip off of toi box THAT CAME OUT ABOUT 1O YEARS AGO BY JONATHAN KAM
exec he uses a clear box in Stead OF ONE THAT CAN NOT BE SEEN THROUGH
THE HANDLING IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS TOI BOX
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Oct 15, 2015 11:47AM)
I have never heard of the Toi Box and I can't find any video about it. Vins, you don't even know all the subtleties and you all it a ripp off.. Show me a video about it :)
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Oct 15, 2015 12:27PM)
[quote]On Oct 15, 2015, vinsmagic wrote:
His effect is a rip off of toi box THAT CAME OUT ABOUT 1O YEARS AGO BY JONATHAN KAM
exec he uses a clear box in Stead OF ONE THAT CAN NOT BE SEEN THROUGH
THE HANDLING IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS TOI BOX [/quote]

Why then aren't you throwing out similar (disrespectful) accusations to every other card in box – clear or not clear – creators that have flooded the market?

The only way you could is if you own all of them, including Revolution, and can safely attest that ONLY Revolution is identical to Toi Box in handling. But I don't think that you do.

But let's say you did have all of them and can safely attest that just Revolution Box is similar.... How do you know that he "ripped off" Toi Box...Implying malicious intent?

Again, you don't know....So watch yourself before throwing out slanderous accusations.
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Oct 15, 2015 12:53PM)
YOUR HANDLING IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS TOI BOX
CONTACT JONNATHAN KAM.....
BETTER YET I;LL FIND A DEMO
AND I AM, NOT STALKING ABOUT OTHER CARD TO BOX METHODS I, SPEAKING ABOUT YOURS
BETTER DO YOUR HOME WORK
Message: Posted by: MagicHelper (Oct 15, 2015 04:42PM)
[quote]On Oct 15, 2015, Alex DLF wrote:
I have never heard of the Toi Box and I can't find any video about it. Vins, you don't even know all the subtleties and you all it a ripp off.. Show me a video about it :) [/quote]
REALLY?! All you had to do was Google it! In fact... [url=http://lmgtfy.com/?q=toi+box+Jonathan+kamm]Let Me Google That for You.[/url] It's the first result in Google.

Alex De La Fluente everybody.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Oct 15, 2015 04:54PM)
[quote]On Oct 15, 2015, MagicHelper wrote:
[quote]On Oct 15, 2015, Alex DLF wrote:
I have never heard of the Toi Box and I can't find any video about it. Vins, you don't even know all the subtleties and you all it a ripp off.. Show me a video about it :) [/quote]
REALLY?! All you had to do was Google it! In fact... [url=http://lmgtfy.com/?q=toi+box+Jonathan+kamm]Let Me Google That for You.[/url] It's the first result in Google.

Alex De La Fluente everybody. [/quote]

I meant I didn't heard of the Toi Box before like yesterday :)
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Oct 15, 2015 10:48PM)
Contact Jonatham Kamm. any way your routine HAS A LOT OF FINE POINTS
I SHOULD NEVER HAVE SAID YOU EFFECT WAS A RIP OFF I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS ...i wrote this in caps not shouting but I want to say I'm sorry I did not mean to sabotage your thread ,
do your self a favor and look up Mr kam's effect you will see the handling of what I speak about.
thank you
vinny marini
the godfather of magic
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Oct 19, 2015 06:52PM)
Where is the similarity to Jonathan Kamm's version? The link provided by MagicHelper, the Youtube "performance", didn't help much.
Vinsmagic, is it the "clean up" that you mean is similar to Toi Box? It would be interesting to watch a whole unedited performance of the card to box in mr Kamm's version.
I understand that, in Alex De La Fluente's version there is nothing new, first a HSF, a MCF, the usual SP with the box... But the presentation of the card combined with the cleanup is different from the Paragon box, (which I actually have and consider the best and cleanest yet).
Message: Posted by: toointoit (Oct 23, 2015 03:59PM)
Regardless in them being similar or not...Alexis..how is this moving the plot forward?..BIG STEP BACKWARDS!!
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 23, 2015 05:59AM)
The Revolution Box is now available everywhere, Penguin is carrying it : http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S20419

Mery Christmas :)
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 23, 2015 08:28AM)
Who are the guys with like 6 post talking crap about someones release? Alex wish you luck. Looks good.

Jon Allen, love your Paragon 3D box.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Jan 19, 2016 10:36AM)
I've seen the Toibox explanation video ! Which is very good by the way.

Although there are similarities between the Toibox and The Revolution Box, I do think that the Revolution Box has the plus of allowing you to end completely clean (hands empty, deck "empty" and box is examinable).

But for a gimmickless version, I do like the Toibox for sure :)