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Topic: First spirit bell
Message: Posted by: Oliver Wallen (Oct 26, 2015 04:20AM)
Hi. I normally stay withing penny and inner, but with halloween coming up, id like to do something with a more graveyard feel. The idea that I've got is a series of pk touches followed by spirit slates.

I'm looking for my first spirit bell to use - something relatively cheap.

I've come across this: http://www.magicnook.com/Magi-tronics/MT01-05SwingingSpiritBell.htm

Can someone please let me know how good this spirit bell is, or if there is a better/more reliable one for roughly the same price (this is a $5 manual that teaches you how to build it for under $40 - I hope I can get all the parts in England!)

Thanks, and have a nice day.

Oli
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Oct 26, 2015 07:08AM)
Depends a lot on whether you are skilled in craft work or not. Not everyone can glue two sticks together. The e-book is probably worth the $5 just for the source list, if there is one. Not a bad price. I do disagree with the author on the advertisement. I probably have a lot of people that disagree with me but a spirit answering yes and no questions by ringing a bell would get boring if prolonged. I prefer a pendulum for this type of Q&A and use the spirit bell for a once or twice indication the 'spirits are here' during a performance. Everyone has their own perspective but something to think about.
Message: Posted by: Oliver Wallen (Oct 26, 2015 07:28AM)
I've been performing mentalism fairly casually for almost 2 years now and this is the first time I'll be doing something bizarre related- although it's interested me for a long time.
The idea that I have is not to use it as a yes/no, but instead to use it as evidence that a spirit has arrived, as you said.
But never having used a spirit bell before and not wanting to pay upwards of 100, I was wondering if this one was a good place to start.

EDIT: oops, I misread that as "skilled in the craft" as in the craft of bizarre magic. My crafting skills are fairly okay.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Oct 26, 2015 09:09AM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2015, Oliver Wallen wrote:
I've been performing mentalism fairly casually for almost 2 years now and this is the first time I'll be doing something bizarre related- although it's interested me for a long time.
The idea that I have is not to use it as a yes/no, but instead to use it as evidence that a spirit has arrived, as you said.
But never having used a spirit bell before and not wanting to pay upwards of 100, I was wondering if this one was a good place to start.

EDIT: oops, I misread that as "skilled in the craft" as in the craft of bizarre magic. My crafting skills are fairly okay. [/quote]

I was referring to skilled in building stuff... lol. The performance is going to be in the storytelling so I can imagine this will work well for what you want to do and within the limits to what you wish to spend. I am not familiar with this bell but it interests me more than the typical ones because of it's simplicity. No complicated back story of how you obtained this 'one in the world' bell or how it belonged to some demented slasher. Just set it up and let it do it's job. For $5 for e-book and $40 in materials how can you go wrong?

Bizarre magic is so much fun but you have to be careful to bring your audience back out of it once finished. I did an effect this past weekend that I put together from combining 3 routine principles into one from bizarre magicians on this site. Etherica, Whitestar, and Inferno. The effect played so strong I had to follow it up with two additional effects to get the audience back to where they were before the effect began.

Have fun with it and welcome to this forum.
Message: Posted by: Oliver Wallen (Oct 26, 2015 09:34AM)
Thank you.

Bizarre magic is a lot of fun. The only reason I haven't ventured more into it is because of how expensive a lot of the props are!

There's also this bell: http://www.magicnook.com/Magi-tronics/MT01-04RCSpiritBell.htm and my latest problem is deciding which one I like more.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Oct 26, 2015 10:17AM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2015, Oliver Wallen wrote:
Thank you.

Bizarre magic is a lot of fun. The only reason I haven't ventured more into it is because of how expensive a lot of the props are!

There's also this bell: http://www.magicnook.com/Magi-tronics/MT01-04RCSpiritBell.htm and my latest problem is deciding which one I like more. [/quote]

It's like embalming, a little is better than more. Most suggest you use only one electronic prop at the most so you can do bizarre with few props of expensive value if you rely more on the story telling than the prop. you can also make a lot of your own props for many bizarre effects. It depends upon what you are trying to accomplish and what your audience will be. You'd be surprised how powerful a replica newspaper and an old coin can play with the proper story. I find a lot of my props at yard sales. Paid $1 for an old box that listed cigars 2 for 5 cents, $5 for a 1920's mailing box, with stamps to authenticate the date. Put an intriguing story to them and you're ready to go. a string and weight makes a pendulum and there are a lot of effects using them.
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Oct 26, 2015 09:07PM)
The author of those two e-Books at The Magic Nook, Jolyon Jenkins, is from the UK, so you should have no difficulty finding the parts for either of them there. Once you build the spirit bell what you use it for and how well you make use of it is all up to you. There's one more spirit bell at The Magic Nook that I like for this time of year - "Santa's Magic Jingle Bell" from The Wizard's Journal # 22 - no electronics required. You DID know that Santa is an elf, didn't you? The jingle bell is used to tell him who is being naughty and who is being nice. But you can bizarre it up if you want to. Once you make the props, as I said, how you use them is up to you.
Message: Posted by: Lo Pan (Oct 26, 2015 09:28PM)
For a fool proof option you might consider a Spirit Glass - Adrian Deery makes them and they come very highly recommended:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?forum=76&topic=600854#0

I have one and it looks great, hasn't ever failed me, and with a spooky back story it is just as good if not better as a seance tool.
Message: Posted by: Lo Pan (Oct 26, 2015 09:28PM)
For a fool proof option you might consider a Spirit Glass - Adrian Deery makes them and they come very highly recommended:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?forum=76&topic=600854#0

I have one and it looks great, hasn't ever failed me, and with a spooky back story it is just as good if not better as a seance tool.
Message: Posted by: minty (Oct 27, 2015 03:50AM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2015, Lo Pan wrote:
For a fool proof option you might consider a Spirit Glass - Adrian Deery makes them and they come very highly recommended.[/quote]

Adrian's a great guy to deal with. He sent one to me in the UK and it arrived quickly and well-packaged. It worked straight out of the box. I was so impressed I immediately purchased a second one from him.

It's probably slightly more expensive than buying plans and constructing something yourself. However, it is very deceptive and you can be up and running in seconds.
Message: Posted by: Oliver Wallen (Oct 27, 2015 08:35AM)
Looks great, but for $75 it's a bit outside my budget for now. It's definitely something to consider if I become more professional in this field.
Thanks for all your input.
Message: Posted by: YitzhakNoDice (Oct 27, 2015 08:48AM)
Another non-electronic version is described in Lary's book "Hidden Things". All of Lary's provide great examples of Bizarre magic at its best.

http://www.lulu.com/shop/lary-kuehn/hidden-things/paperback/product-22284035.html
Message: Posted by: Joshua J (Oct 27, 2015 08:54AM)
Can I ask where are you planning to perform this and where? As there may be more low budget non-electronic methods which will suit what you need fine.
Message: Posted by: Oliver Wallen (Oct 27, 2015 01:38PM)
[quote]On Oct 27, 2015, Joshua J wrote:
Can I ask where are you planning to perform this and where? As there may be more low budget non-electronic methods which will suit what you need fine. [/quote]

It's going to be on Halloween night in my university's orchard. You're right about non-electric methods. I'm considering using a thread which is activated by stepping on a long trip-wire across the ground.
The general flow of the routine will be PK touch with a voodoo doll, ringing of the spirit bell, slate writing.

The thing I like about the trip-wire method is, theoretically, I could stand in a wide variety of places and still activate the bell.
Message: Posted by: Oliver Wallen (Oct 27, 2015 02:12PM)
I'd also like to apologise for revealing a potential method in this forum. I was convinced that I was Inside the Crypt. I hope you accept my apology and I note that I will be far more careful in future.
Message: Posted by: Joshua J (Oct 27, 2015 03:14PM)
You could consider an alternative sign of ghost activity. Perhaps a book or other object falling off a table easy enough to set up low key without investing money in something you may not use again or have time to make and practise with at this stage before Halloween..
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Oct 27, 2015 03:38PM)
Just been playing about with such thing's low key mentioned and moving object's and making them fall of the shelf,pretty easy to do and you can come off looking clean as well.
Message: Posted by: Nyama Possessor (Oct 28, 2015 07:43AM)
I can also HIGHLY recommend the [i]Spirit Glass/Bell[/i] that Adrian Deery makes... Very high quality, and definitely worth the price. I bought one from him 11 or 12 years ago, and had used it for many, many years... Sadly it got destroyed along with everything else in the house fire. Yet, definitely going to purchase another one in the near future. Like others mentioned above, Adrian is an all-around great guy and truly an experienced craftsman.
Message: Posted by: Lo Pan (Oct 30, 2015 12:55PM)
Ok - I think I have the perfect solution for you. Simply go to Ed Carlyle's web site and make a purchase, I bought several of his haunted keys, and if you contact him he may throw in the plans for his spirit bell for free! His haunted key is flawless and the spirit bell plans are very helpful. Click the link below for details:

http://www.carlyletouch.com/Seance.html
Message: Posted by: Jiggery-Pokery (Nov 2, 2015 03:47AM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2015, Oliver Wallen wrote:
Thank you.

Bizarre magic is a lot of fun. The only reason I haven't ventured more into it is because of how expensive a lot of the props are!

There's also this bell: http://www.magicnook.com/Magi-tronics/MT01-04RCSpiritBell.htm and my latest problem is deciding which one I like more. [/quote]

I believe this is a misunderstanding about Bizarre Magic that has kept many potentially wonderful purveyors away.
Bizarre Magic is not about the props, which I admit can be expensive if you want limited produced or high tech trickery-
But I urge you to read further and look at what drives the idea of Bizarre and what the affect of an effect should be.

All of my Strongest effects are legitimate antiques that fit a story and not all were terribly expensive. What is more necessary than another electronic bell is the imagination that informs your eye when you see something interesting in a junk shop.

Please do not become dependant on high tech tricks to fool your participants but look for ways to lead them on a journey to some destination emotionally. Scare them, inspire them, cause them to wonder about the fabric of reality but please don't just trick them
Message: Posted by: Winks (Nov 2, 2015 09:56AM)
Well said.
Message: Posted by: PROF BC (Nov 2, 2015 12:03PM)
[quote]On Nov 2, 2015, Jiggery-Pokery wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 2015, Oliver Wallen wrote:
Thank you.

Bizarre magic is a lot of fun. The only reason I haven't ventured more into it is because of how expensive a lot of the props are!

There's also this bell: http://www.magicnook.com/Magi-tronics/MT01-04RCSpiritBell.htm and my latest problem is deciding which one I like more. [/quote]

I believe this is a misunderstanding about Bizarre Magic that has kept many potentially wonderful purveyors away.
Bizarre Magic is not about the props, which I admit can be expensive if you want limited produced or high tech trickery-
But I urge you to read further and look at what drives the idea of Bizarre and what the affect of an effect should be.

All of my Strongest effects are legitimate antiques that fit a story and not all were terribly expensive. What is more necessary than another electronic bell is the imagination that informs your eye when you see something interesting in a junk shop.

Please do not become dependant on high tech tricks to fool your participants but look for ways to lead them on a journey to some destination emotionally. Scare them, inspire them, cause them to wonder about the fabric of reality but please don't just trick them [/quote]

I could not agree more. As one who creates some of these high-priced products, I also publish how to do other effects in our wonderful field--my most recently published effect (long underground) requires nothing but a needle, some thread, a button, and the ability to tell a convincing story.

Jiggery-Pokery will want me to mention that this effect can be found in the twentieth anniversary Dark Waltz.

Buying wonderful props is a joy unto itself, but our art is also very comfortable with inexpensive, easily found items. The most important aspect is a good story, well told.

BC
Message: Posted by: TEB3 (Nov 2, 2015 01:01PM)
Prof.,

Preaching to the choir. I've been getting away with simple things since 1980. But the real fun is putting a twist on things and that's where the story and scripting comes in as well as the "flow" in the set of pieces. Always the Devil in The Details.

Lary
Message: Posted by: Jiggery-Pokery (Nov 3, 2015 05:46AM)
[quote]On Nov 2, 2015, PROF BC wrote:

Jiggery-Pokery will want me to mention that this effect can be found in the twentieth anniversary Dark Waltz.

Buying wonderful props is a joy unto itself, but our art is also very comfortable with inexpensive, easily found items. The most important aspect is a good story, well told.

BC [/quote]

Thank you Professor.
I also add there is a full chapter in he book that explains how to build and use the crystal spirit bell with a back story and a script to inspire you.

www.BizarreMagic.com
Message: Posted by: friend2cptsolo (Nov 3, 2015 08:57AM)
Oliver I have been interested in getting these magic nook e books for a while and just never have really found the time that I want to start on new project. I ticker with wood working and mild electronic builds and I think this route is right up my alley. I have found a very very strong super coil that for the size and powering off just a 9 volt puts out quite a punch. But that one coil cost about 40.00, thus far I have done nothing with it other than having fun with magnets. If you enjoy building then most definately get the ebooks and go that route. but you might no really save too much in money.
Message: Posted by: Winks (Nov 3, 2015 09:18AM)
Might I ask where you found it? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: lin (Nov 3, 2015 09:40AM)
Yes, please. I'd be interested to know too.
Message: Posted by: Oliver Wallen (Nov 3, 2015 10:04AM)
Where who found what? I've been out of the loop for a while. Thanks for all of your help.

In the end, I went for a very DIY spirit which I talked about before, but none of the materials arrived so I didn't end up using one.

And while I know that Bizarre magic isn't about props, I have no idea about how to turn ordinary antiques into great stories so I thought a prop might be a good starting point. I don't know what one might do with a general antique.
Message: Posted by: friend2cptsolo (Nov 3, 2015 10:15AM)
I have been trying to hunt down the exact website I bought from but I think these coils are not too hard to find online. The one I bought is basically about 1/2 inch by 1 1/2 diameter
Message: Posted by: Winks (Nov 3, 2015 10:24AM)
I may have found a place here: http://catalog.apwcompany.com/category/electromagnets
Message: Posted by: friend2cptsolo (Nov 3, 2015 10:45AM)
Winks that looks like the it. Good hunting
Message: Posted by: startingout (Aug 26, 2020 03:58AM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2015, Oliver Wallen wrote:
Hi. I normally stay withing penny and inner, but with halloween coming up, id like to do something with a more graveyard feel. The idea that I've got is a series of pk touches followed by spirit slates.

I'm looking for my first spirit bell to use - something relatively cheap.

I've come across this: http://www.magicnook.com/Magi-tronics/MT01-05SwingingSpiritBell.htm

Can someone please let me know how good this spirit bell is, or if there is a better/more reliable one for roughly the same price (this is a $5 manual that teaches you how to build it for under $40 - I hope I can get all the parts in England!)

Thanks, and have a nice day.

Hi, Also myself purchased the books a while ago. Just never got round to it. Now actually did create one, also with a mod to the build. There are 2 versions Jolyon has on the nook.
Hmm the explanation build on the RC side unfortunately for me were not too clear, and bit contradicted. Taken a few days to fathom. As me if from the UK, main part not available in UK. Online store (DF****) If sign up 7.60 off DHL delivery. Or 4.56 no tracking, risk of loss. Bought 2 @ 13.45 + 4.03 Tax + 6.08 postage 23.56, 3 days arrived. Other required parts 6. As mentioned tried alternative methods with a special wire, but had few plays with it, for another project, lot fiddly, also 40x20mm electro, but makes the build look little too chunky for smallish bell out of proportion. Bells can be a bit of a pain to source. Hope helps :-)