(Close Window)
Topic: Casket of Pandora
Message: Posted by: Gerry Walkowski (Nov 6, 2015 03:38AM)
Does anyone here have this trick? If so, I'm trying to find out the length of the tube minus the 2 caps.

Thanks,

Gerry
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Nov 6, 2015 05:01AM)
Gerry, the tube is 9 1/2 inches long.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Nov 6, 2015 04:59PM)
Three inches in diameter, and the best exchange prop, I use it to change my Rice Blendo to confetti what that will fill by Confetti Bowl. Celeste Evans used it in her dove and manipulation act by connecting a chain and ring to it to simulate a purse.

Note: Abbott's New Casket of Pandora is made of Plexi and new covers. There are not enough air holes in this so you must drill bigger and more air holes. I had to learn the hard way, when my dove come out he was gasping for air. This is best used with an assistant to load off stage and bring on to do the transformation so the dove does not have to be loaded for a long time.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Nov 6, 2015 05:20PM)
[quote]On Nov 6, 2015, Bill Hegbli wrote:

Note: Abbott's New Casket of Pandora is made of Plexi and new covers. There are not enough air holes in this so you must drill bigger and more air holes. [/quote]

I hadn't mentioned the caps since Gerry didn't ask but you are correct. When I bought my new one, it didn't even have holes. Just dimples where the holes should be. Since it's advertised as a dove item, you'd think they'd know better
Message: Posted by: Julie (Nov 6, 2015 05:56PM)
F.Y.I.> The original (1960's) version had no holes at all in the caps or body. There was an orangish dot in the center of one cap to tell you where the load was located.

Maybe then it was being promoted more as a generic exchange device and involving a dove was just one of the afterthought options...?

Julie
Message: Posted by: Gerry Walkowski (Nov 6, 2015 07:09PM)
This is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Gerry
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Nov 6, 2015 08:33PM)
[quote]On Nov 6, 2015, Julie wrote:
F.Y.I.> The original (1960's) version had no holes at all in the caps or body. There was an orangish dot in the center of one cap to tell you where the load was located.

Maybe then it was being promoted more as a generic exchange device and involving a dove was just one of the afterthought options...?

Julie [/quote]

I have the original from the 60's, a newer one from the 80's and the lastest version. Both of the older ones have the dot on the cap as you described but they do have 3 air holes across the center.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Nov 7, 2015 01:40AM)
I bought mine in the 1970's, and it has 3 small holes and the red dot. It was made by hand from their glitter sheet Formica type like material. The end caps were molded as well out of black plastic material.

Later in the '90's I purchased the new model made out of Plexiglas type material, with the soft capes.

I took my old model in for repair and they got the measurements off it, and made the Plexi model within a few months. They asked why I did not bring the caps, I told them, they were not in need of repair. I believe that is why the new soft vinyl caps are have the extended edges on them. They did not have the measurements for the caps.

I can't believe how much it holds, and how deceptive it is. It is one of my favorite props. This is a prop that is an investment, as I will last you very long time. I looked for a solution for 3 years, and all the time it was setting on Abbott's display shelf.

It has flash, action and was the perfect solution to coordinate the gap to go from one routine to the next in a logical manner.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Nov 7, 2015 04:01PM)
I agree with the load capacity. I sometimes do a blendo with mine. I use 24" silks and put a red, black, yellow and green one in the casket. When they're removed, I have a red and black striped silk and a yellow and green striped one. Then I go into my dove production.
Message: Posted by: inhumaninferno (Nov 7, 2015 04:34PM)
Great tips! Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Julie (Nov 7, 2015 07:43PM)
We used to tear up a sheet of color comics from a newspaper and change them into 144+ paper flowers and confetti.

Julie
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Nov 7, 2015 11:22PM)
I used the casket for several years in the late '60s, to produce a dove. Mine came with a few holes in one end cap. I added a half dozen more, PLUS about 24 in the area of the bird's breast. He was perfectly comfortable and willingly got loaded, as much as 20 minutes early. The tube lay on its side with his end OPEN, but close enough to the wall of the prop case so that he couldn't "arrive" too early. I placed the cap on as I removed the tube for the routine.

Believe it or else, a magician friend liked my ROUTINE so much that he offered me a good sum for it.
Message: Posted by: Regan (Nov 20, 2015 03:21PM)
[quote]

I have the original from the 60's, a newer one from the 80's and the lastest version. Both of the older ones have the dot on the cap as you described but they do have 3 air holes across the center. [/quote]

Dave, I have wanted one of these for a while but I heard that the older ones are better. I have been patiently waiting and looking around for a used one for a while now. Do you think the older ones are a lot better or should I just go ahead and get a new one?
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Nov 20, 2015 09:35PM)
Regan...

As mentioned abovd, I bought mine about 1968, and used it for several seasons.

The tube was handmade from drum shell material. It had a seam (which was only noticeable when you held it in your hand) and the caps were of a hard plastic. The caps had three air holes (about 1/8")

I had to load the bird about 15 to 20 minutes early. The first day, the bird came out "wet". As noted above, I added more holes in the bird end, and about 24 in the tube in the breast area. In addition, the cap was left OFF. The loaded tube lay on its side in the prop case. The open end of the tube was about 1" from the "wall" of the prop case. The cap was put on as I picked up the tube. I had NO MORE PROBLEMS.

I used the same bird, and he was "happy". I used the prop and bird in lectures to show my routine. I remember a group in Iowa that applauded when I loaded the bird during the lecture. (the routine was an hour "into" the lecture, and I didn't want the bird loaded that long. I asked why the applause, and they replied that the bird didn't fight being loaded!

A few years ago, I was at Abbott's and checked out the newer version. I think that it looks and works just as nicely as the older model. Of course, you can add the extra holes as I did, if you plan to use a dove.

Note! I never made a big "thing" of showing the tube empty. With a boy helping, I opened an end, pulled out a 36" white silk, replaced the silk, put on the cap. and had the boy "wave the wand". I opened the tube and, the bird popped out. APPLAUSE!

I did the routine when I lectured at Abbott's in the early '70s (I THINK), and Greg sold every one he had that day.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Nov 21, 2015 05:53AM)
While both the older and newer version are good, I prefer the new model. As Dick said, the older version had a very visible seam. The material overlapped. The newer one has a seam but it is so smooth, it isn't noticeable. The caps on the older version were hard and I sometimes had trouble getting them on the tube. The caps on the newer version are softer rubber and easily slip on the tube. Because of the material, they don't slip off.

My older verson was gold with a black stripe around the tube at top and bottom. The newer one is a more elegant looking red with silver stripes on the ends. I don't know if Abbot's maks other colors or not but I'm completely satisfied with the red.

When I used mine for the first time years ago, when I was stupid, my dove came out bleeding on the side of the head. I hadn't increased the number of air holes and the bird was struggling in the tube. I learned my lesson (the dove was ok after a quick trip to an emergency vet)Regardless of whether you get an old or new verson, be sure to add air holes. My cap came with 3 holes and I added 3 more. I drilled 4 small holes on the load side of the tube.

Like Dick, when performing alone, I laid the casket on it's side with the cap partially on to hold the dove. In the movement of picking up the tube, I slipped the cap on fully. The newer version with soft caps makes this a lot easier to do.
Message: Posted by: Regan (Nov 27, 2015 02:48PM)
Dick and Dave, thanks so much! I will try and get a new one pretty soon. I had held off for a long time but thanks to you two pros I can stop looking for an old one! Thanks again!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Nov 27, 2015 10:22PM)
I still have my old Casket Of Pandora, which is in green glitter with gold glitter bands, as well as the new model. I only bought the new model because of how well it is made.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Nov 28, 2015 05:21AM)
You are most welcome, Regan! I'm sure that you will like the 'new' model.

Bill Hegbli is a very practical performer! I'm sure that he wouldn't buy a new prop just 'cuz it was "pretty"! He appreciates good craftsmanship, and prop practicability!

I don't think that the casket will ever be a "collectible", like a "Thayer", but, to a working performer, who wants a prop that will hold up on the road, I recommend it.
Message: Posted by: equivoque (Sep 2, 2017 01:42PM)
Anybody have a performance video?
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Oct 4, 2017 12:09PM)
Sorry, I don't. When the "casket bird" died (tumor on lungs) I decided that the other two birds, which gave me 8 minutes, was enough. I gave my casket away to a friend, who had use for it.
Message: Posted by: Ted Danger (May 30, 2018 01:33PM)
I'm planning on hunting squab with a shotgun in a comedy bit. Do you think the "casket" could fill in as a night vision scope?
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (May 30, 2018 01:57PM)
I'm not even sure that I know what a night vision scope IS!!!
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (May 30, 2018 05:55PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2018, Ted Danger wrote:
I'm planning on hunting squab with a shotgun in a comedy bit. Do you think the "casket" could fill in as a night vision scope? [/quote]


As mentioned earlier in this thread, the casket is 9 1/2" long and 3" in diameter. I think this might be too large for your application.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Dec 25, 2019 07:16AM)
I just purchased this about a year or 2 ago from Abbotts and the one I got you can hold liquid in it. It only came with one set of end caps with no holes so if you use it for a dove production and drill holes in it, you won't be able to ever use it for any kind of liquid effect unless you get another set of end caps. But I have never used doves or any animals, so I won't have to worry about that. So far I only use it for silk changes.

Those of you who have the older version, can they hold liquid?

One side has the capacity of holding 2 cups of liquid. Does anyone have any thoughts on liquid changes?
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Dec 25, 2019 09:05AM)
I've never heard of a Casket that would hold water and can't find any reference to it on the Abbott web site but things are always changing. Are you sure it's a Casket of Pandora? The older version are not water tight so they couldn't be used for liquid. In your version, you could put holes in one cap and use the other end for the liquid. If you don't use animals, there would be no need for the holes.

As for liquid changes, you could load a silk in one end of the casket. Pour colored liquid in the other end. Take a matching silk and vanish it then produce it from the casket. A transformation of liquid to silk. Or have colored liquid in one end. Pour clear or another color liquid in the other end and do a color change.

You could show the Casket empty. Vanish some liquid and have it reappear in the Casket.

My only concern with using liquid in the Casket is cleaning. The space in the older caskets are small and if the newer version is the same, it might be difficult cleaning and drying it.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Dec 25, 2019 04:34PM)
[quote]On Dec 25, 2019, Dave Scribner wrote:
I've never heard of a Casket that would hold water and can't find any reference to it on the Abbott web site but things are always changing. Are you sure it's a Casket of Pandora? [/quote]

It's definite Abbotts "Casket of Pandora" and on their website Greg Bordner shows a short video of the prop. It doesn't mention it can hold liquid on their website. The instructions I received it does have some suggested effects using the casket, but only one was a liquid effect which was the rice bowl effect with water.

I did place water into one of the sides and the water is definitely sealed. It doesn't run into the other side. It doesn't seem to hard to clean at all.

I like the idea of vanishing some liquid and having it re-appear in the casket.
Message: Posted by: Julie (Dec 26, 2019 02:41PM)
If you turn your Casket of Pandora upside-down after pouring water into it, will the cap hold the water inside (watertight)?

Julie
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Dec 26, 2019 04:43PM)
Maybe the old ones can hold water as well. I never checked it as I always use it for doves. I did watch the Abbott's video again and don't see liquid being used. I've had the prop for over 30 years and don't remember the instructions. Maybe they mentioned liquid. I have two of them so maybe I'll check one out and see.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Dec 26, 2019 05:47PM)
[quote]On Dec 26, 2019, Julie wrote:
If you turn your Casket of Pandora upside-down after pouring water into it, will the cap hold the water inside (watertight)?

Julie [/quote]

Yes it does Julie. I can't even get the caps to go on all the way without pulling on the lip to allow air in. Then I can put the cap on all the way.
Message: Posted by: Julie (Dec 26, 2019 09:11PM)
Interesting...I don't think my 1960's version would hold water with its relatively loose cap(s). These caps are fairly hard plastic with hardly any real give.

Our only use was to transform torn-up colored comic pages to about a gazillion spring flowers. The caps work fine for that. :)

Julie
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Dec 27, 2019 07:23AM)
My original Casket was like Julie's. It had hard plastic caps and those definitely wouldn't be watertight. The second one I purchased had soft plastic (might even be rubber) and I can see those being watertight. Guess it's like Forest Gump's box of chocolates. You never know what you'll get till you open the box.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Dec 27, 2019 04:59PM)
After speaking with Greg at Abbott's, he confirms that all versions of the casket, even the older ones, will hold liquid however the older hard plastic caps will not. Basically, you can put liquid in the casket and it won't leak into the other side, but unless you are using the softer rubber caps, you can't turn the it upside down. It will leak.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 28, 2019 03:38PM)
The older model is rolled flat sheet, they will still leak because of the overlap in forming a tube.

The new ones are made from Plexiglas and therefore will seal with the soft vinyl lids.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Dec 29, 2019 05:54AM)
Bill, the construction is correct. I have both the rolled and the plexiglass ones. Gregg at Abbott's confirms that the overlap seam is sealed and both will hold liquid. You have to use the vinyl caps as you mentioned though.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Dec 29, 2019 12:27PM)
Let's just say for an example you are using the torn up colored comic newspaper to spring flowers as Julie stated in her post above. The spectators see you remove the cap off of a certain end (we will call it end cap 1) and you place the torn up colored comic newspaper inside this end and place the cap back on. What do you do and how do you handle the tube when it's time to remove the end cap off of the other end which we will call (end cap 2?)

Greg Bordner on his video throws the tube up in the air in a spinning fashion and he catches it, but I was wondering what you all do so it doesn't look suspicious to the audience that you are removing the cap off a different end.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Dec 29, 2019 02:33PM)
It just takes a little misdirection. Something simple will do it. For example, put the paper in one side and seal it. Lay the tube down on you table. Let's say you are on the right side of the table. Lay it down so the paper end is pointing to the left. Step away from the table for a few seconds but return on the left side of the table. Pick up the casket with your right hand and the side with the feathers will be on top. You must not call attention to either end during all of this.

In one of my routines, I place several plain silks in the tube. I hand the tube to my assistant on the right with the load facing the right. I step forward for a few seconds to make a few gestures and my assistant hands the casket back to me with the opposite end up. I then open it up and produce the silks blended. That leads into a dove production. The audience loses track of which end is up.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 30, 2019 01:26PM)
The ends are marked, so you know for sure. It is all in the printed directs. I throw my prop up in the air. I change a 36" blendo silk to a confetti. I pour the confetti into Abbott's Confetti Bowls, sort of a Rice Bowls routine. I reproduce the 36" silk, and streamer of paper that flows from one of the bowls. It is my opening sequence.

On a visit to Abbott's I took my original Casket in for repair. They used the measurement to start producing the casket in Plexiglas. I did not take the end caps so that is why the vinyl caps are little longer around the tube.

The famous lady magician Celeste Evans put a ring and sting around the middle of the Casket. Put the ring on here forearm like a purse. She put a silk in the Casket, gave it a spin, then opened it to produce a dove. So it became a sparkly purse for a lady. Nice idea, thinking outside the box.

Dave, I was explaining the water with the original Casket, and the original capes, They would leak and fall off at times, so I put some plastic tape folded over to tighten the grip around the tube. Over the use of the original tube, mine started to crack inside, so Abbott's patched it up like new.

I like the original, but never tried to put new caps on the old tube, as I did not use liquid. I guess you could do rice to water along with the Rice Bowls routine.

Added tip, if you use for birds, you will have to put more air holes in the tube or enlarge the ones already there. My birds cam out all scared and sweaty, so get them use to being in the prop before you use it on a show. I learned a lesson the hard way.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Dec 30, 2019 04:37PM)
Bill, I knew what you meant. On first glance, it would seem that the overlapping seam would leak regardless of what caps you used. That isn't the case. The seam does not leak. You are correct that the caps are marked. Mine has 3 red dots on one cap. I never liked the idea of tossing the casket in the air. There was always the chance that it would come down with the changed end on the bottom and you'd have to turn the tube over.

My caps came with 4 holes in one cap. As Dick mentioned earlier, when I did use the Casket to produce a dove, I never put the cap on totally until just before I picked it up. That gave plenty of air for the dove. If I was doing a stage show and using my assistant, she loaded the dove just before bringing the casket out to me.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 30, 2019 04:55PM)
Dave, I see how you read my words with the wrong meaing. I did not mean the seam leaked, but it would leak with the plastic cap on, under the cap when tilted. So if water was in the old model and turned parallel to the floor, water would leak from under the cap, as the seam left an opening/space where the seam overlapped over the side of the tube at the end of the tube. Hope that is more explanatory.

I never has the luxury of an assistant, but I did have my doves in for the shortest possible time. I put them in bags and other props, but they never got upset as much as when they were in the tube. Just to cramped for them I guess.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Dec 30, 2019 07:22PM)
Bill, I see what you mean now about the seam and cap and you're right. Even the vinyl caps would leave a gap on the older version. Funny after all these years I never even thought about liquid.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 30, 2019 07:32PM)
Dave, Me neither. All these guys today, want thing to work the way they want, and not as advertised. What a crazy world the Internet has devised. I wonder if when they go to buy a car, they want it totally redesigned with everything they want it to do.

The Niffen Tube is really made for liquid, but they are not made any longer. I did find one several years ago on a website in Europe.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Dec 31, 2019 08:28AM)
[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Dave, Me neither. All these guys today, want thing to work the way they want, and not as advertised. What a crazy world the Internet has devised. I wonder if when they go to buy a car, they want it totally redesigned with everything they want it to do.[/quote]

I have to disagree. If you can use a prop for something else other than what it's designed to do, why not if it works well and the audience likes it. I don't see any problem with that. Sometimes you have to think outside the box.

I wanted to see if slush powder works with the tube because of the way the inside is tapered. It's not like a cup where the slush powder is more spread out at the bottom. Inside the tube the slush powder only sets in the tip of the taper which doesn't have much spread. But it definitely does work.

Will I ever use a slush powder effect with the tube? Probably not, but at least I know it will work if some effect comes out down the road that will seem logical to use the tube.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Dec 31, 2019 10:40AM)
[quote]I have to disagree. If you can use a prop for something else other than what it's designed to do, why not if it works well and the audience likes it. I don't see any problem with that. Sometimes you have to think outside the box. [/quote] I don't want to speak for Bill but I think what he's trying to say is in this case, the Casket is designed to exchange silks, doves etc and not specifically for liquid. There are products out there to accomplish that. There's nothing wrong with thinking outside the box if another reasonable solution isn't available. If there is something available that more closely fits the bill, why not use it?
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Dec 31, 2019 11:01AM)
That I agree with.
Message: Posted by: Ted Danger (Apr 16, 2020 11:51AM)
I ended up uaing pringles, but alway looking for improvements...

This Sales guy made me laugh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZeurLKvPRk&feature=emb_logo He's somewhere between Ballintine and Piff...
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Apr 16, 2020 01:49PM)
I wouldn't call him a sales guy. That's Greg Bordner, owner of Abbott's Manufacturing. I'm not sure why you would laugh. He's not what you'd call smooth but it's the exact way the casket is supposed to be performed. It's a demo not a sales pitch.