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Topic: No one asks...
Message: Posted by: MagieFraudster (Dec 2, 2015 06:51PM)
I am always prepared to do magic. I not only carry a deck of cards and some wallet mentalism at all times, but also know a number of propless impromptu effects. The problem is, I don't want to be "that guy" who's asking people if they want to see a trick. I'm a professional; I gig every weekend. All my friends know that I'm a professional magician, and they never ask to see a trick. Anyone else encounter this?
Message: Posted by: Theodore Lawton (Dec 2, 2015 07:52PM)
Yep. I will sometimes just ask people, "Wanna see something cool?"

Then they get excited if they know I'm a magician.

I think for the most part, people just don't care nearly as much as we do. :bg:

On the other hand, when I worked at a desk job at a fitness club that exposed me to seeing many people every day and they also knew I was a magician, I was always getting asked to see something new.

Just depends I guess.
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Dec 2, 2015 11:05PM)
To each their own as Mama use to say while I was growing up. I have friends that I used to work with before leaving corporate to see a trick. Every time we would get together, they had the expectation to see something amazing, which I often delivered. The executives and salespeople would always ask me to perform, which forced me to always be on top of my game. I am always prepared to do magic as well. I have a deck of cards, can perform a impromptu 30 minute show at all times. What is interesting is that my kids do not ask me to do magic when they are at the house. They have grown up seeing sponge rabbis multiply, Daddy levitating, cards regurgitated, forks bending mysteriously, etc. When I visit them at school, they want me to perform magic to bask in the astonishment of their friends and teachers.

I also don't want to be that guy that begs people to perform or them. So I don't perform for friends and family unless asked.
Message: Posted by: Mike Gilbert (Dec 2, 2015 11:52PM)
You could always just start performing for yourself...playing around with different tricks in the open. Someone is bound to notice and set the dominoes in motion. :)
Message: Posted by: nonprofitmagic (Dec 3, 2015 06:15PM)
Never perform for someone who does not ask.

kevin
Message: Posted by: Theodore Lawton (Dec 3, 2015 09:15PM)
If that were the case, I'd never perform. :rolleyes:

I know what you mean though- don't perform for someone who doesn't want to see magic or who doesn't agree to want to see something. There's no point in that! :)
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 4, 2015 07:38AM)
NATE LEIPZIG!!!!!
Message: Posted by: MagieFraudster (Dec 8, 2015 05:14PM)
Right. That's what I'm saying. I don't want to perform for those who don't ask. I'm seeing if this phenomenon (friends and family not asking to see stuff) is common among magicians.
Message: Posted by: Theodore Lawton (Dec 8, 2015 06:33PM)
Friends and family? They usually don't ask. But if I ask them to check out something new I've been working on, they will get pretty excited.
Message: Posted by: ThomasJ (Dec 8, 2015 11:23PM)
Work it into conversation. Eventually they will ask to see something. Also, think of how different effects can illustrate a story from everyday life. Make your presentations meaningful and relevant to different situations. If someone brings up a topic you have a presentation for, there's your in. i.e. "Funny you should mention black holes..."

You get the idea. Try to make your presentations informative so your audience/friend/etc. gains some new knowledge in addition to being astonished.
Message: Posted by: TheMagicHacker (Dec 9, 2015 02:33PM)
I have a few friends who will ask to see new tricks from time to time, but most of them don't go out of their way to see something. If I've got something new that I think they'll like, I'll ask them, but I'm not forcing everyone to watch me perform.

However, I volunteer at a shelter once a week, and the volunteer coordinator there has instituted the policy that I show her a new card trick every week, which I happily oblige :). In fact, she's the one who got me my first performing gig, so I'm glad to show her something new every week.
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Feb 7, 2016 12:56AM)
I just play around till someone asks what I'm doing. Get The ring on chain effect and wear it round your neck. People are always asking what it is. Also just bring up that you are a magician in regular conversation
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Feb 9, 2016 01:15AM)
Just don't ask them 'did you drop this red knife...' :0
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Feb 9, 2016 04:21AM)
[quote]On Dec 3, 2015, nonprofitmagic wrote:
Never perform for someone who does not ask.

kevin [/quote]

Yes! Magicians should "inscribe" your statement on their shaving mirrors! --Otherwise, they may be "casting imitation pearls before real swine! hee hee

Nate Leipzig was a top pro. in his day. He was a "standard act" in vaudeville. His philosophy was: If they like YOU, they will like what YOU DO.

At a social affair, he NEVER offered to "do a trick", unless he was asked to do so, at least several times. He simply wanted to be sure that they were not just being polite.

When he did do something, he "watched the ladies". At the first sign that they had seen enough, he quit. (Always leave them wanting more!) --Every trick that he did, was a "closing trick"! Nate's repertoire was all strong enough to close!

Somerset Maugham (the author) described a scene at a cocktail party: A young lady is talking with another young lady. She says, "See that fellow in the tuxedo over there? He asked if I liked card tricks. I said, 'NO'. He did SIX!"

Too many magicians are too anxious to "do something". When people come to a theater, they come prepared to see/hear an artist perform. This is not always true in a social setting.
Message: Posted by: Gerald Deutsch (Feb 9, 2016 07:46AM)
I never ask if a prospective spectator wants to see a trick.

First of all, I try to judge whether the person – or persons I have in mind would enjoy seeing some magic and if I think they would I would just go over and do something but something quick.

Perhaps the squeeker on the table (judgment dictates taking care about touching a stranger) or perhaps something like the following “Quarter App” which I posted on the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum on June 1, 2015:

Effect

“Oh does that cell phone have the “quarter app”? you ask the confused teenager.

You’re curious so you take their phone in your right hand by its sides between your fingers and thumb and tell the youngster to hold out his – or her – hand. He or she does.

You hold the cell phone over the outstretched hand and your left hand taps the top of the phone and a quarter falls into the teenager’s hand.

“Oh it does. Isn’t it a great app?” you say as you walk away putting the cell on top of the quarter in the open hand.

Most likely you will be called back to do more.
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (May 29, 2016 10:37AM)
[quote]On Dec 2, 2015, MagieFraudster wrote:
I am always prepared to do magic. I not only carry a deck of cards and some wallet mentalism at all times, but also know a number of propless impromptu effects. The problem is, I don't want to be "that guy" who's asking people if they want to see a trick. I'm a professional; I gig every weekend. All my friends know that I'm a professional magician, and they never ask to see a trick. Anyone else encounter this? [/quote]

I don't understand the question...

Are you asking for possible reasons why no one is asking you to perform, or are you looking for a way to perform tricks for friends without actually asking friends "do you wanna see a trick"?
Message: Posted by: ebackes88 (May 30, 2016 11:48PM)
Family members rarely ask. And unless people know youre a magician how would they know to ask
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Jun 3, 2016 03:07AM)
That was great advice Mr. Oslund. It took me awhile to get my apprentice to understand that people may want to see a trick or two but not 20. Always leave them wanting more
Message: Posted by: Gerald Deutsch (Jun 20, 2016 12:19PM)
I posted this on the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum on June 1, 2015. It's something to be done when not asked:

Quarter App

Background

On November 1, 2014 I posted “Oh You Have One Of These Pens” on this thread, the effect of which is that you pick up a spectator’s pen, pretend to examine it, pull off the cap, look at the cap and then shake it. A quarter drops out from the cap though the diameter is much smaller than the diameter of the quarter. You give the quarter to the spectator, put the cap back on the pen and place it back on her desk.

I explained there that this was an example of the sixth category of Perverse Magic – Performer explains something that will happen but he doesn’t understand why it happens.

A quick trick and, as I suggested, you let the spectator keep the quarter – I mean, it came from her pen.

Last month I was a guest at a Bar Mitzvah confirmation party where there were lots of teenagers. Almost every one of them had a cell phone. I couldn’t resist!

Effect

“Oh does that cell phone have the “quarter app”? you ask the confused teenager.

You’re curious so you take their phone in your right hand by its sides between your fingers and thumb and tell the youngster to hold out his – or her – hand. He or she does.

You hold the cell phone over the outstretched hand and your left hand taps the top of the phone and a quarter falls into the teenager’s hand.

“Oh it does. Isn’t it a great app?” you say as you walk away putting the cell on top of the quarter in the open hand.

Method

As with the pen effect, the quarter is Classic Palmed in the right hand. When you hold the cell in that hand between the thumb and fingers the quarter remains Classic Palmed and the hand appears otherwise empty.

The slap on the top of the cell phone dislodges the quarter and has it fall into the spectator’s open hand.

It’s his or her phone so he or she should be able to keep the quarter.
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Jun 20, 2016 02:48PM)
With the quarter from pen trick it may be good to bend the quarter slightly and make a joke of how they had to force it in there to fit. You could even act like it didn't want to come out during the production
Message: Posted by: Julie (Jun 20, 2016 03:36PM)
I remember wearing a round pin-on badge that said, "I Make Rabbits". When someone inquired about it I would slide into the Peter Rabbit Goes To Town/Multiplying Rabbits routine.

Julie
Message: Posted by: tarruntula (Jun 30, 2016 04:05AM)
I tend to wait until asked if among friends and family. If they ask, then I will do something. If not, then we just enjoy whatever we are doing and have a few laughs!

Though, last Sunday, we were round at a friend's house with quite a few of us.

The kids started showing some tricks they had learnt to obvious applause! :) Then one of my friend's did a couple including "Out of this World", which obviously got shocked looks! ;)

Anyway, it led me onto to doing a couple of quite powerful ones, including "The Butterfly Effect!" using the same borrowed deck. Then I got up, poured myself some wine and after they all got over the "How the hell did you do that?" we carried on with the rest of the night, and left them wanting more - "Another time!!" ;)

So, agree with the statement - "Never force it!". But I do look for opportunities, and wait until it is the right time if one appears!
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Jun 30, 2016 11:18PM)
Julie the pin idea sounds great. Mind if I steal that. It will actually be ironic when I start breeding rabbits
Message: Posted by: Julie (Jul 1, 2016 12:51AM)
I don't know if it is original with me, but from my point of view you are more than welcome to use it.

Julie
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Jul 1, 2016 01:44PM)
Thank you
Message: Posted by: A. Evans (Jul 1, 2016 02:46PM)
If you want people to ask you could always wear a shirt with an ace of spades or any card on it or where something that says you are a magician.
Message: Posted by: magicianbrady (Mar 17, 2019 06:40PM)
I face this issue all the time... I am ready to perform but no one asks. Well if they're close friends, I generally say that I'm working on something and want their opinion. But if they're not that close, I never bring up magic.
Message: Posted by: GlennLawrence (Mar 18, 2019 12:15PM)
Here's an idea someone gave me many years ago that's great if you work in an office. Bake cookies and bring them in for your coworkers. Send out an email with the subject line "Cookies & Magic". Invite your colleagues to come over and have a cookie and ask you to show them some magic! The nice thing with this is that by telling them to ask you, really what you're doing is you're asking to show them magic in a way that will filter out anyone who doesn't want to see it. I thought this was a clever idea and it worked quite well for him.
Message: Posted by: Wx4usa (Mar 18, 2019 03:20PM)
I pay cashiers with a $1 bill regardless of the amount. Then they look confused. I look confused back. I tell them its a $20. They look confused'er. Then I ask for it back and do a quick bill switch.

Had a lady a few weeks ago then refuse to take that fake $20....ooops.

Anyway, I get to perform and have some fun. They usually call someone else over and say do it again at which point I do something else because they have my $20 in the register now....

It is a way to keep practicing from time to time. It's all TT stuff so it is very varied and fun. And they never ask.