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Topic: The Known by Thom Peterson
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Dec 10, 2015 03:15PM)
This is a new [url=http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/6482]offering from Penguin Magic[/url]. $5 till midnight.

Seems interesting. Anyone have any experience with the effect?
Message: Posted by: magicthree (Dec 10, 2015 04:20PM)
Was curious also
Message: Posted by: John C (Dec 10, 2015 04:34PM)
Known is currently unknown to me.
Message: Posted by: Felman (Dec 10, 2015 05:18PM)
Seems like okay impromptu/almost impromptu effect to me. Very clear and thorough teaching and almost moveless handling with simple equivoque in the end. Didn't try it yet, but this has potential to become a standard trick to my repertoire for almost any kind of situations.
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Dec 10, 2015 05:39PM)
Annoying just wrote my thoughts and lost them .

the demo might portray or suggest a cleaner effect than what actually happens .

You are acquiring an 8 minute explanation of the effect which Thom explains very well . I would have liked to have seen a couple of full performances to go along with the explanation in a studio environment .

This is a self working effect and one I consider to be quite generic . I have seen versions by Paul Green and Max Maven both I feel are slightly better because in those versions , the final choice is a free one with no manipulation by the performer .

It is a solid self worker at the current price .

If you have some experience of cards then I would think you have an awareness of this effect . For example would you be happy to pay $9 for Karl Fulves Gemini twins ?? Yes as a beginner but no if you read this effect as part of your development in magic

As a creator of effects it would never cross my mind to release this because I assume it is fairly well known generic process , like releasing a poker players picnic from RRTCM for $9

Well those are my thoughts
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Dec 10, 2015 06:22PM)
I'm sorry but I would be embarrassed to sell this trick it reminds me of an effect that someone with no magic knowledge would do in a pub for his friends
Message: Posted by: magico (Dec 10, 2015 06:48PM)
This effect is on his Amazing Guy DVD.
Message: Posted by: lumberjohn (Dec 10, 2015 06:59PM)
This is like selling the cross cut force with only a bare bones presentation. I have seen this incorporated into many much better effects such as Daryl's excellent "Untouched." Where is the crediting?
Message: Posted by: pcrpttc (Dec 10, 2015 07:22PM)
I would not buy it just because I want to see the whole routine not just the reaction of the trick. Don't get me wrong here l like the trick but it does not fit my style :'(
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Dec 11, 2015 06:16AM)
So very basic, most will already know the method and probably already use the method in another card effect they already do.
Message: Posted by: jimesw (Dec 23, 2015 04:45PM)
Have all the five star reviewers on penguin magic ever held a pack of cards? How are so many giving this top marks??? I don't get it. I want to see if Penguin will allow me to post a video of me making a peanut butter sandwich and charge $4.95 for it. I'm sure I will get multiple five star reviews. The big blind media self working projects are better value for money then this trick. Just my opinion though. I love some of Thom's material and presentations but the non stop five star reviewing is hard to take seriously for this.
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Dec 23, 2015 04:57PM)
Yeah, a lot of the reviews posted on Penguin seem a bit childish (e.g. "best trick eveeerrrrrrr!!!!").... but Penguin themselves called this a "reputation maker". What reputation are we making with this one exactly?
Message: Posted by: qualysoft (Jul 19, 2017 09:33AM)
I love this trick!

Does anyone know any other tricks like this? Impromptu, easy to do and high impact?

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Axman (Jul 19, 2017 10:46AM)
[quote]On Jul 19, 2017, qualysoft wrote:
I love this trick!

Does anyone know any other tricks like this? Impromptu, easy to do and high impact?

Thanks! [/quote]

that one where you pull your thumb off is blinding
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Jul 19, 2017 01:49PM)
I'm curious about this but after having just bought Rafael's You and I, I wonder if I would use Thom's.
Message: Posted by: qualysoft (Jul 19, 2017 03:26PM)
[quote]On Jul 19, 2017, MagicBrent wrote:
I'm curious about this but after having just bought Rafael's You and I, I wonder if I would use Thom's. [/quote]

I don't have "You and I", but from what I saw in the trailer, I think they're very different.
Message: Posted by: makulit974 (Jul 19, 2017 10:40PM)
[quote]On Jul 19, 2017, MagicBrent wrote:
I'm curious about this but after having just bought Rafael's You and I, I wonder if I would use Thom's. [/quote]

These two routines are completely different. Thom's is vey good if you don't know the technique. As many have said here, you can create new routines using this old but still very very effective technique.
I use it at all my gigs whenever someone wants "one more trick" because it can be a bit lengthy. I use it mostly on couples. Add a marked deck and it becomes impossible to them because they can shuffle the deck and you never ever touch it...
Message: Posted by: qualysoft (Jul 20, 2017 08:31AM)
I believe "The Known" is closer to "Predixion" from Max Maven.
Message: Posted by: davidpaul$ (Jul 20, 2017 08:49AM)
[quote]On Jul 20, 2017, qualysoft wrote:
I believe "The Known" is closer to "Predixion" from Max Maven. [/quote]

Yes that is correct. I've been performing "The Known" from his Amazing Guy dvd for years. I use a sealed coin envelope for the reveal card with my sticker attached. ( my contact info.) I find this effect to be VERY strong.

I did not purchase Predixion because they are basically the same effect different ending.
Max's may be better because it is Max Maven but to each his own.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Aug 19, 2017 02:00PM)
Yes, they basically are the same effect. Funny thing is though, Max Maven's trick gets a 88% 5-star rating while The Known gets a 68% 5-star rating (on Penguin). For my money, the known doesn't need a whole separate deck, while a matching card to me is better than I X'ed the same card in another deck. TETO I guess.

[quote]On Jul 20, 2017, davidpaul$ wrote:
[quote]On Jul 20, 2017, qualysoft wrote:
I believe "The Known" is closer to "Predixion" from Max Maven. [/quote]

Yes that is correct. I've been performing "The Known" from his Amazing Guy dvd for years. I use a sealed coin envelope for the reveal card with my sticker attached. ( my contact info.) I find this effect to be VERY strong.

I did not purchase Predixion because they are basically the same effect different ending.
Max's may be better because it is Max Maven but to each his own. [/quote]