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Topic: Mentalism for picking up girls :)
Message: Posted by: Gadujadu (Dec 10, 2015 05:56PM)
Hello, as we all know, the best thing to pick up the girl is to read her mind. (or somethink like that :) )
Can you tell me, please, where can I find books or dvd's to learn some mentalism tricks or systems to pick up her? I would be very appreciated :D
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Dec 10, 2015 06:12PM)
I would start with The Snide Answer by Parmenion.
Message: Posted by: pcrpttc (Dec 10, 2015 06:46PM)
Code Breaker by Michael Murray and Gregory Wilson. However, I prefer Peter Tuner style in his At The Table lecture :)
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Dec 10, 2015 06:48PM)
Alternatively you could try one of the fundamental techniques of a mentalist, being genuinely interested in the person.

Mark
Message: Posted by: MagicalEducator (Dec 10, 2015 07:49PM)
Thanks for your post Mark.

Jeff
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Dec 10, 2015 08:11PM)
Didn't Alexandre have a booklet on just that about 12 years ago? Does anyone remember the name? You might PM him and ask if he did...
Message: Posted by: Dale A. Hildebrandt (Dec 10, 2015 10:54PM)
If you want to have women pick YOU up, then you should read about the Georgia Magnet...

Sincerely,
Dale
Message: Posted by: Michael Zarek (Dec 10, 2015 11:10PM)
Even the most amazing effects won't save poor personality.

And on the other hands, even the weakest effects are good enough with great personality.
Message: Posted by: WooverM (Dec 11, 2015 12:09AM)
Lighg and Heavy works perfectly, only you will be able to pick her up.
Message: Posted by: KiKi (Dec 11, 2015 02:33AM)
Try to start with magic tricks!
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Dec 11, 2015 03:12AM)
I'd forget the tricks and do some light hearted readings. I wrote a book about it. Not a lot of people know that. Feel free to laugh at me, but I was asked this question so many times I decided to write the book.

http://thecoldreadingcompany.co.uk/coldreading/readings/coldreadingbooks/coldreadinggamesbook
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Dec 11, 2015 06:33AM)
Gadujadu - Be yourself, that's the best magic.

If you still need advice on picking up a woman you might want to start [url=http://www.hse.gov.uk/toolbox/manual.htm]here...[/url]

Good Luck
Message: Posted by: Marc O (Dec 11, 2015 06:38AM)
I would start staying away from on-line forums and get out in to the real world....
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 11, 2015 06:46AM)
Why bother? if you are in the mindset to trick women into finding you attractive and worth their time, you're not after a long term relationship are you? so just buy some drinks, pretend to be nice, tell them what they want to hear and fool yourself into thinking that that's a healthy way of behaving...

i believe they wrote about that in The Game...
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 11, 2015 06:47AM)
Also, starting off with the idea that you can read their mind, that means you'll never argue and ALWAYS understand them, because you've proven you can read their mind already...so why not FOREVER?!

"oh no, I just lied to you so I could pretend to be something I'm not"

"oh really? me too... I'm a hermaphrodite..."
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Dec 11, 2015 08:15AM)
I would learn to sing, or at least fake it. Find someone and impersonate them. You'll get all the women you want and more. Just remember child support is expensive these days.
But meeting chicks is cool and I'm honest when I say readings are well worth the time.
Message: Posted by: sbays (Dec 11, 2015 09:17AM)
If you don't have any "game" with women, Mentalism isn't going to give it to you. Period.

I have always chortled when I hear guys trying to figure out the best pick up lines. Wanna hear a great one? Here it is ... for free even.

"Hi, my name is ______, what's yours?" There ya go. Be confident. That will get you much further with women than a drawing dupe.
Message: Posted by: Prometheus (Dec 11, 2015 10:02AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2015, sbays wrote:
If you don't have any "game" with women, Mentalism isn't going to give it to you. Period.

I have always chortled when I hear guys trying to figure out the best pick up lines. Wanna hear a great one? Here it is ... for free even.

"Hi, my name is ______, what's yours?" There ya go. Be confident. That will get you much further with women than a drawing dupe. [/quote]
Yep, I can twice that. And in my wxperience, readings are always recieved well.
The most important thing is you and her, not a mentalism effect. Mentalism won't do the work for you.
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Dec 11, 2015 10:17AM)
There's so much out there that can be used for this it's crazy. It's all about framing and avoiding being creepy.

All you need is an ice-breaker, a way to demonstrate "value" as they say (the pickup artists), and confidence. PM me if you're still looking and I'll point some solid stuff out to you.

Regarding some of my material: "Scoring With The Tarot" will help bring you closer ... if you care to use Tarot cards. Atragalomancy with no dice will work as well.

But really, there's so much out there ... ok, here's one solid effect that will help you "pick up girls" ...

THREE PSYCHIC WORDS by my pal BILL MONTANA! I've added this to my iPad and iPhone! It's brilliant! If you want to add this to your phone I suggest you use one with a big screen like the IPhone 6+ so the subject can see the chart clearly. This is gold!
Message: Posted by: Zee (Dec 11, 2015 11:09AM)
Why mentalism? You might freak her out.
Go learn some magic stuff. They might think you are cooler(No offence to other mentalist fellows out there lol)

Zee
Message: Posted by: friend2cptsolo (Dec 11, 2015 12:41PM)
Do some palm reading. That can be fairly intimate and you get to point out all the good things about the person.
But yeah like every one else is saying do not rely on magic to cover up personality.
Message: Posted by: innercirclewannabe (Dec 11, 2015 01:08PM)
The best way to pick up any girl is to simply hold her in your arms! Be careful though, if you're weak, you'll dump her and you will fall flat on your ****!

Get real man, and grow a pair!
Message: Posted by: Ray Bertrand (Dec 11, 2015 01:59PM)
As entertainers, we do not do mentalism and magic to pick up girls. We perform these acts of wonder to entertain. Occasionally the by products will be girls falling in your arms, in which case innercirclewannabe said it right; "The best way to pick up any girl is to simply hold her in your arms! Be careful though, if you're weak, you'll dump her and you will fall flat on your ****!"

Using trickery and deception to pick up girls will give you a bad reputation. It may also make girls think that all performers are like you. Learn your craft properly, be yourself and that alone should work. If you need to resort to sneaky underhanded methods, maybe you should look in the yellow pages under 'Escorts'.

Ray
Message: Posted by: Amirá (Dec 11, 2015 02:37PM)
Let me tell you that Mentalism isn't a way to pick up girls at all. If you do credible stuff, they will run from you. If you want to be a mysterious guy, learn to interpret symbols and do readings.

Far better, learn to sing/play an instrument and sing her a song or learn some psychology to talk properly, be interesting and genuine.

Best
Message: Posted by: David Thiel (Dec 11, 2015 03:09PM)
***sigh***
Message: Posted by: Trois (Dec 11, 2015 09:18PM)
Tell em you are only interested in a brief meaningless affair. Works every time.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Dec 11, 2015 09:32PM)
I think some Tarot Apps might be just the thing for you!!!!
Message: Posted by: seanksutton (Dec 11, 2015 09:34PM)
If you're trying to pick up girls, do magic. Not mentalism.
Message: Posted by: Alexxander (Dec 11, 2015 10:42PM)
Oh come on, what is wrong with you people?
Just be a nice person and get to know other people by talking to them!

No need for magic or mentalism, it really looks desperate and/or creepy.
Of course you can mention what you do, and the other person might ask to see something.. which is another thing of course.

But if your sole purpose to perform mentalism is to "pick up girls" (I can't begin to describe how much I hate this expression).. I really do think that you trivialize our art and give other mentalists a bad name.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 11, 2015 10:53PM)
Man.... You've got to be kidding me
Message: Posted by: nonprofitmagic (Dec 11, 2015 11:19PM)
Is this what our art has become?

I never hear a doctor asking about chicks...or engineers or lawyers...

Kevin
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 11, 2015 11:32PM)
I can only imagine the level of "mentalism" that is also in question here. If Bob were here I'm sure he'd say this is just adding to more proof of his trivialization of mentalism.
Message: Posted by: DutchFrank (Dec 12, 2015 07:47AM)
Brush your teeth, smell nice and smile!
Message: Posted by: Low Key (Dec 12, 2015 08:09AM)
To answer the OP: say that you'll show her your center tear if she'll show you hers.
Message: Posted by: nonprofitmagic (Dec 12, 2015 09:30AM)
Along those lines of reasoning, tell her that you are a magician and that you are about to show her a penetration effect...your fav kind of effect.

Kevin


[quote]On Dec 12, 2015, Low Key wrote:
To answer the OP: say that you'll show her your center tear if she'll show you hers. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: BCE (Dec 12, 2015 09:55AM)
Anyone using magic or/and mentalism to pick up girls is...how else can I say it?....a ******bag and potential stalker. (I shouldn't have to elaborate upon the potential stalker part of it.) No. Just...no.
Message: Posted by: Gadujadu (Dec 12, 2015 10:08AM)
Wow, I am very appreciated for all the answers. I would like to tank you all so much. some of you Wondered about my contact with girls. I have no problem with them. I am pretty good at it. As someone said - I'm just looking for something like an "ice breaker" (for example when I see a girl on the street, than the mentalism trick can help me, or give a reason to intrdiuce myself :) I hope you understand me and give me new, fresh and helpfull ideas :)
Message: Posted by: BCE (Dec 12, 2015 10:19AM)
[quote] mentalism trick [/quote]

That, right there, is part of problem. Please don't go the d-bag route.
Message: Posted by: Alex R. Weinberg (Dec 12, 2015 11:01AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2015, Michael Zarek wrote:
Even the most amazing effects won't save poor personality.

And on the other hands, even the weakest effects are good enough with great personality. [/quote]

I second that, just say hi what's your name and talk to them. Use mentalism for entertainment not a pick up tool. If you have to still use it to pick up girls try something that won't creep them out, like a sign divination. However I don't recommend it to be used as a pick up tool.

-Alex
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 12, 2015 01:21PM)
Smash & Stab works every time
Message: Posted by: Anthony Black (Dec 12, 2015 03:27PM)
Use the Winky Tapper effect. 100% surefire!

I would practice on yourself for a few weeks first though, until you get the method down.

Once you can do it without looking down at your hands, you'll be ready.
A mirror will help you out with your training.

When you are at that stage, post again and I will give you the next step.

'The Otters Pocket'.
Message: Posted by: Withnail (Dec 12, 2015 03:48PM)
I'll try again as my last two posts got deleted, only this time with a change of tack...

Good for you, OP. Go out and learn some routines and you'll win her over. I suggest getting her to think of someone she was close to, who has recently passed over. Then you can reveal the name in whatever way you see fit and really impress her. Better still, she'll probably start crying a little too, so you'll be guaranteed to get way past third base if you handle the 'shoulder to cry on'' line correctly.

You go for it fella! Happy hunting!
Message: Posted by: backinblack (Dec 12, 2015 04:49PM)
One possibility would be: Art of Attraction by Spidey

but do not think that this will help a lot for pick up.. most ladys are very romantic - so they are not open minded to uncomplicated enjoyment.. better to switch the target-group.. check out swinger-couples and ladys in special interest groups.. naughty girls have more fun.. ;)
Message: Posted by: starstruck (Dec 12, 2015 05:02PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2015, Mindpro wrote:
Smash & Stab works every time [/quote]

I'd add Russian Roulette routine to that, as a solid ice breaker.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Dec 12, 2015 10:24PM)
'PK Touch'

What a sad, thread ! :(

Pick up Women, not girls ...
Message: Posted by: Jacene (Dec 13, 2015 01:04AM)
Rolling my eyes.
My opinion, as a woman, perform mentalism because you love doing it! Not because you want to score a lady! Be you, do what you do and do it well! You will win them over with your own charm and charisma, if youve vou've got it ! ;)

Wait.....is this just a joke that 3 mentalists podcast started so they can laugh at the thread!!!

Jacene
Message: Posted by: Twisted Mentat (Dec 13, 2015 01:12AM)
Try psychic surgery.
"Give me your number and I'll get sick flesh of your stomach"
Message: Posted by: seanksutton (Dec 13, 2015 01:27AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2015, Jacene wrote:

Wait.....is this just a joke that 3 mentalists podcast started so they can laugh at the thread!!!

Jacene [/quote]

Hahaha. Wouldn't surprise me!
Message: Posted by: C.J. (Dec 13, 2015 03:12AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2015, Anthony Black wrote:
Use the Winky Tapper effect. 100% surefire!

I would practice on yourself for a few weeks first though, until you get the method down.

Once you can do it without looking down at your hands, you'll be ready. [/quote]

I practiced Winky Tapper for hours a day as a teen. I don't have to look at my hands any more. It wouldn't help to look at them anyway now that I've gone blind.
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Dec 13, 2015 03:55AM)
I'm truly amazed that you guys can't recognise a wind up when you see it.
Message: Posted by: Withnail (Dec 13, 2015 05:12AM)
Wind up or not... Two posts saying it's not a decent thing to do get deleted. One post saying go for it is kept. Go figure!
Message: Posted by: charliemagic (Dec 13, 2015 08:14AM)
Gadujadu, funny you mentioned 'ice breaker'

Michael Ammar had a VHS tape out called 'Ice Breakers' that may be exactly what you are looking for.
I suggest trying to find it, maybe it is on a dvd now?

Charlie
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 13, 2015 08:15AM)
This whole thing will be deleted soon.
Message: Posted by: Magiconcio (Dec 13, 2015 08:17AM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2015, nonprofitmagic wrote:

I never hear a doctor asking about chicks...or engineers or lawyers...[/quote]

Come on, have you never seen the "Surgery for picking up girls :)" threads on The Doctor Café forums?
Message: Posted by: Stunninger (Dec 13, 2015 08:50AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2015, charliemagic wrote:
Gadujadu, funny you mentioned 'ice breaker'

Michael Ammar had a VHS tape out called 'Ice Breakers' that may be exactly what you are looking for.
I suggest trying to find it, maybe it is on a dvd now?

Charlie [/quote]

Excellent suggestion, Charlie. Here it is on DVD:

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S6075
Message: Posted by: sychou (Dec 13, 2015 09:56AM)
I find it very annoying that many PUA now try to do mentalism effect to pick up girl.
Their performance is usually very poor and build bad reputation for mentalist and magician.
Just youtube magic&pickup you will see some pretty ****ty PUA performing lame magic.
I think too many PUA invade magic Café now,
they try to learn few easy tricks just to pick up girls and then start calling themselves a mentalist...
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 13, 2015 11:15AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2015, sychou wrote:
I think too many PUA invade magic Café now,
they try to learn few easy tricks just to pick up girls and then start calling themselves a mentalist... [/quote]

Completely agree and again it's all part of the trivialization that continues to occur.
Message: Posted by: Rolyan (Dec 13, 2015 02:14PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2015, Withnail wrote:
Wind up or not... Two posts saying it's not a decent thing to do get deleted. One post saying go for it is kept. Go figure! [/quote]
I gave up trying to figure out how 'they' decide what to keep and what to censor long ago.
Message: Posted by: Erik L. (Dec 13, 2015 02:46PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2015, Enotskcalb wrote:
[quote]On Dec 13, 2015, charliemagic wrote:
Gadujadu, funny you mentioned 'ice breaker'

Michael Ammar had a VHS tape out called 'Ice Breakers' that may be exactly what you are looking for.
I suggest trying to find it, maybe it is on a dvd now?

Charlie [/quote]

Excellent suggestion, Charlie. Here it is on DVD:

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S6075 [/quote]

Jay Sankey has a similar video called Firestarters.
Message: Posted by: cheesewrestler (Dec 13, 2015 06:47PM)
For a great video on this exact subject check out "Mentalism With Barry White".

It's on betamax, not sure if there was ever a videodisc ...
Message: Posted by: Cbring (Dec 14, 2015 09:28AM)
Is this post for real...
Well do a card trick and then another and another and... Perhaps some day you'll find your Queen of hearts.
Message: Posted by: Gordon the discombobulator (Dec 14, 2015 02:56PM)
Girls like footballers but do not necessarily like football.
Similarly girls like magicians but do not necessarily like magic tricks.

go figure...
Message: Posted by: johnstray (Dec 14, 2015 04:20PM)
Walk up. Talk. Hope you don't do something stupid. Befriend them or at least form some sort of connection with them. Then, in an actual conversation, perform in a way that you don't look like a stalker. CAM by Mark Elsdon is fantastic. Also, I believe I read somewhere that if your focus is not the entertainment and benefit of your audience, you're going to end up performing poorly presented mental magic.
However, this is all IMHO as an avid amateur. So I could be, and probably am, wrong.
Message: Posted by: Trois (Dec 14, 2015 06:12PM)
This has been an interesting thread. Some funny stuff on here. Different fur sure.
Message: Posted by: ~Cicero (Dec 14, 2015 06:28PM)
Pick 'em up? I'm too old and out of shape. Women do like artists...but, well its the art that is important right?
Message: Posted by: ibm_usa (Dec 25, 2015 02:40PM)
Since Bob Cassidy hasn't posted yet....

Please don't rely on doing this. True Mentalism can be seductive if the persona behind it fits but remember - mentalism is about the spectators.
I wouldn't try doing this for a first impression for the mere fact that this can scare the living hell out of some people.
I hate to see a respectful art such as mentalism be used and abused like this but if it must be done - remember you have to have the persona and don't make a habit of doing it all the time in this manner

I won't say there is no room in mentalism for this but use it with care and respect.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Dec 26, 2015 04:27AM)
Get them to associate into a memory in the past where they had their first kiss or real emotional connection. Get them to relive it in their mind and write down the name of the person. Then take them by the hand look into their eyes and reveal the name of the person after a few moments of holding their hand. Smile gently. Now your smile eyes and voice will be associated with that mental/emotiona state.

Go on to do readings using their palm and your physical touch.... describe mental emotional states you want to elicit and link them to you by squeezing their hand gently looking into their eyes and smiling.
Message: Posted by: Nestor D (Dec 26, 2015 09:44AM)
That's a very clever answer :)

The best way, I believe, is not to judge the person, listen to her/him, be kind and speak about our commun points.
Except for the last point, it happens to be precisely how Penn (Penn and Teller) describe cold reading : we should be able to do that as mentalists ;)
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 26, 2015 10:10AM)
[quote]On Dec 26, 2015, mindpunisher wrote:
Get them to associate into a memory in the past where they had their first kiss or real emotional connection. Get them to relive it in their mind and write down the name of the person. Then take them by the hand look into their eyes and reveal the name of the person after a few moments of holding their hand. Smile gently. Now your smile eyes and voice will be associated with that mental/emotiona state.

Go on to do readings using their palm and your physical touch.... describe mental emotional states you want to elicit and link them to you by squeezing their hand gently looking into their eyes and smiling. [/quote]

If he could do all that he wouldn't need mentalism in the first place.
Message: Posted by: Roki (Dec 31, 2015 07:27AM)
I find it strange that several posters think that its wrong to use mentalism to engage a girl because its deceitful and manipulative but its ok to do it professionally. I may have missed the point here, I often do.
I have never seen any tricks that make a girl do something she doesn't want to do. But entertaining people,engaging fun and curiosity, and being the center of attention has often got people to like and take an interest in me, a stranger , who they may not have bothered with otherwise.
I don't think anybody believes if someone does a mind reading trick that girls will fall into bed with them and then be horrified to discover he has lead under his fingernail.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 31, 2015 08:07AM)
Yes, theres a huge difference. You're being hired to entertain, not try and get in someone's pants. If it happens as a by product, like a guitarist in a band might get offers after a gig.
Message: Posted by: ByronGrey (Jan 3, 2016 11:59PM)
Here GaduJadu, I'll help. Brother Shadow's "Casting Stones of Bilitis." It's HARD TO FIND, but it does the job...at least that's what Brother Shadow attested.

-Byron
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jan 13, 2016 10:25AM)
As a shameless plug without endorsing this thread... my SvenPads may be helpful lol.

Personally I think the idea of using mentalism strictly to MEET women is tacky - but I do think that as a performer it can be perfectly OK to have some innocent fun with a group of women (in the right setting and for the right group) and be on the edge a bit.

Taken from my FaceBook product page which I posted today:


Let me also share a really fun (and slightly naughty!) idea I have been using for some time now with the SvenPad. I even made a slightly naughty SvenPad labeled on the outside "Cosmo Magazine's 50 Bucket List Places To Fool Around"

I ONLY do this routine for light-hearted groups (usually women - I always forewarn them that it will be a little naughty... and is that ok?).

99% of the time - they say YES it is OK (with enthusiasm).

Also note the LABEL I apply to the front of the pad. I use a Seiko label printer but I think these labels are great for theming your SvenPads no matter what they are used for... and help to know which is which in your bag.

The force is "In A Pool Of Jello" which makes for some very funny revelations. I get the colors - the motion (ok, jiggling), the # of letters - a diving board (the pool).

I ask them if they've ever tried this? NO!!! they usually scream.

You can get all the non force ideas (craziest places to fool around) with a google search. I talk about how guys love to look at Cosmo Magazine at the check out stand - always crazy things in that magazine. Then I take out the SvenPad and thumb through many of the choices that women all over the world voted on as their fantasy places to play (On a ride at Disneyland, in a haunted house, in a coffin, on a pile of money, etc).

This might be too spicy for your taste but... man does it get great and fun reactions! I do NOT recommend this for conservative groups lol.
Message: Posted by: BillyAcre (Jan 13, 2016 11:27AM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2016, saysold1 wrote:

Personally I think the idea of using mentalism strictly to MEET women is tacky - but I do think that as a performer it can be perfectly OK to have some innocent fun with a group of women (in the right setting and for the right group) and be on the edge a bit.

[/quote]

I'd like to air something about this thread.

OP has taken a lot of hits in this thread, unfairly. He's obviously been reading materials in the PUA community, which tells you (correctly) that in order for a woman to be attracted to you, you have to show what they term DHV (demonstration of higher value). This is simply some quality or accomplishment that sets you apart from the rest of the dog pack. Some guys play football, some guys play in rock bands, some guys drive Ferraris...and some become mentalists and performers.

Deep down, whether you want to admit it or not part of the reason you got into mentalism wasy to get girls, or more obliquely to increase your reproductive choices. Everything men do is to get girls. It's the motivation that drives us to split atoms, and cure diseases and slay dragons and move heavy objects to the attic and get into fistfights over a damsel's honor.

If you're out in a bar you don't have any way of conveying how wonderful you are without sounding needy and bragging, so you need a shortcut. OP has chosen mentalism as his shortcut. To those who say he's "tacky" and say that all he needs to do is walk up to a girl and talk, just doing that shows confidence, which is... a Demonstration of Higher Value.

Is having confidence more legitimate than doing mentalism? Judging by this thread most will say "yes," but the answer is "no". Some guys are naturals with girls but most are not, to varying degrees. Similarly, some guys are natural salesmen, and some need seminars and various "insider" techniques to land the deal. Is the sale the natural salesman makes more legitimate than the sale made by the guy who had to go to seminars? They both "exploit" the same chinks in the psychological armor, the difference is that the natural is unaware of it, and feels that the guys who goes to seminars is inferior ("tacky?").

Impressing girls, whether with bold confidence, or as a mentalist performer, or as a one on one mentalist in a bar is reproductively equivalent. We're all trying to get the to the Holy Land, and there's more than one way to get there.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jan 13, 2016 12:04PM)
As a happily married guy for over 24 years I can say that at this stage meeting girls is not the priority - but entertaining clients and earning repeat business is.

Any type of performer or artist (musician, chef, etc) can use their skills for meeting people or entertaining them... or both.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jan 13, 2016 12:23PM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2016, BillyAcre wrote:

Deep down, whether you want to admit it or not part of the reason you got into mentalism wasy to get girls, or more obliquely to increase your reproductive choices. [/quote]


Maybe this is true for yourself, but I can tell you it was never even a thought or consideration, consciously or unconsciously at all for any of the reason or appeal for me becoming interested in mentalism.

Even once into the art, it was never ever even a thought, sorry. Same for those that you often hear say "I was an outcast, a misfit until I discovered..." Maybe for some, but not for most I know. We saw something, were impacted or perhaps even blown away and knew instantly that we wanted to be able to perform it - plain and simple, nothing more.

Not to mention if he is studying PUA, them it would seem much of what's been said here is likely to be true. The fact that PUA is of interest to him says something itself.