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Topic: Paul Harris presents Steam 2.0 by Ali Nouira
Message: Posted by: Titanas (Feb 9, 2016 02:00PM)
This looks so good!!!
One of the best mentalist's secrets just got perfect.
Everything from the items used, choreography, routining is totally justified in this version.
I predict that this will be an instant classic and the most organic way to achieve drawing duplications and mind reading effects.

See trailer and all the details here:
http://www.murphysmagic.com/Product.aspx?id=55146

Best regards,
Titanas
Message: Posted by: Cole Gross (Feb 9, 2016 02:04PM)
Hello everyone,

We are really excited about the newest release from Paul Harris Presents: [url=http://hocus-pocus.com/prod/32946]STEAM 2.0 by Ali Nouira[/url]. We have had a chance to watch the tutorial and this performs exactly as shown in the video below (there is a full length performance at the end of the video).

Hocus Pocus is offering this with [b]FREE WORLDWIDE SHIPPING[/b] on all [url=http://hocus-pocus.com/prod/32946]preorders[/url]. Steam 2.0 will be shipping on Thursday, February 18th, 2016.

For more detailed questions about Steam 2.0 please give us a call toll free: 800-407-4040.

Cole



[b]Full Ad Copy Below[/b]:

Watch the Demo Now:
[youtube]FfLGZpgtoxU[/youtube]
[i]Seriously. When you see the STEAM 2.0 method, you'll need a moment of astonished silence to take in the sheer steamy beauty of the ingenious secret.[/i]

[b]Paul Harris Presents[/b]
[url=http://hocus-pocus.com/prod/32946/Paul-Harris-Presents-STEAM-20-by-Ali-Nouira]STEAM 2.0[/url]
[b]ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST INGENIOUS MIND-READING SECRETS PERFECTED! by Ali Nouira[/b]

Based on Marc Salem's BROTHER OF ALL DUPLICATIONS PRINCIPLE
[i]"Brilliant in and out of box thinking. A winner!"[/i]
[b]- Marc Salem[/b]

You instantly know what she secretly wrote on a blank business card...while the face-down card is covered by her hand -- or a bunch of hands -- or even a book!

THE PERFECT PROPS
THE PERFECT PRESENTATION
THE PERFECT SECRET
THE PERFECT EVERYTHING!

YOU NEVER HAVE TO TOUCH OR EVEN SEE THE CARD...YET YOU ALWAYS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SHE HAS DRAWN!

You can even turn your back while the spectator writes her secret word and covers it with her hand (and whatever else she wants to cover it with).
You can even have a spectator cover your eyes with her hands.
You can even be in a different room and direct her over the phone.
And yet, when you come back into the room, you can still discover her secret word or drawing!

STEAM 2.0 comes complete with plenty of steamy new presentations.[list]
[*]Very Very Easy to do. STEAM 2.0 is basically self-working
[*]No carbon copies. No electronics
[*]Special blank business card stock stays completely blank on the back after writing
[*]No one can see through the back of the card
[*]You never have to "peek" the card
[*]Turn your back to the spectator or be out of the room while she writes and covers her word
[*]5 second reset
[*]Adapt to your own Sharpie
[*]Completely self contained
[*]Nothing to secretly load, switch or ditch
[*]Everything can be examined[/list]

[i]Plus! A Bonus set of 50 STEAM 2.0 bill gaffs for an out-of-your-wallet "money hustle" presentation.
And YES! You even get Two (2) Fortune Telling Fish for the Steamed Red Herring presentation. [/i]

[b]STEAM 2.0
THE PERFECT SECRET FOR THE PERFECT STEAM.[/b]
Message: Posted by: KatieD (Feb 9, 2016 02:06PM)
Looks great! I just saw it here at MJM Magic:
http://www.mjmmagic.com/store/-p-21502.html

According to Brandi at MJM, it should be shipping on the 18th.

I can't wait for it to be released. I've always been pleased with my Paul Harris Production effects.
Message: Posted by: Karl M (Feb 9, 2016 02:06PM)
Looks brilliant, my order is in
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Feb 9, 2016 02:30PM)
Blast from the past. Oldie but a goodie.
Message: Posted by: lifeoftheqc (Feb 9, 2016 02:44PM)
Emyers99 What type of effect was this in the past? I searched B.O.A.D. and got nothing.
Message: Posted by: Dominic Reyes (Feb 9, 2016 03:12PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, KatieD wrote:
Looks great!

According to Brandi at MJM, it should be shipping on the 18th.

I can't wait for it to be released. I've always been pleased with my Paul Harris Production effects. [/quote]

Yep... It's shipping worldwide on the 18th.

Merchant of Magic have it on the site here http://www.magicshop.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=147327
Shipping from the UK with free worldwide delivery.

There's a LOAD of presentation possibilities with STEAM 2.0. The team at MoM are compiling tips and ideas for getting the most out of this, and will make it available free of charge.

Hopefully we should have news shortly on a release date and price for refills. It comes with enough supplies for 100 performances, so plenty to get going with :)

Hope this helps
Dominic
Message: Posted by: Jonathan1000 (Feb 9, 2016 03:27PM)
STEAM was -- and is -- a sensational effect, and I have and use it. But is it worth buying 2.0? I'd sure like to know exactly what's new and better. Have the materials themselves been improved? If yes, how and to what end?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 9, 2016 03:34PM)
It is fantastic - and I wish it would remain a nicely buried treasure
Message: Posted by: SolidSnake (Feb 9, 2016 03:38PM)
If this is based or is STEAM then the ad copy is slightly misleading no? Without giving anything away, I'm pretty sure you have to cover the business card with a special something first then the spec can cover it with whatever. Unless this isn't steam?
Message: Posted by: Jean-Luc.R. (Feb 9, 2016 04:01PM)
Videos when the effect was out in French :

http://www.magicalement.fr/steam-ali-nouira-p-6622.html
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Feb 9, 2016 04:03PM)
Sold! :)
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Feb 9, 2016 04:27PM)
Steam is incredible! I'm excited to use this from Paul Harris. I'll have a review shortly.
Call Hocus-Pocus and place your order! The price is a steal
For what you can do with this!
Message: Posted by: chuds (Feb 9, 2016 04:28PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, Jonathan1000 wrote:
STEAM was -- and is -- a sensational effect, and I have and use it. But is it worth buying 2.0? I'd sure like to know exactly what's new and better. Have the materials themselves been improved? If yes, how and to what end? [/quote]

Yes I agree, it's a brilliant principal but I wonder as well what the big difference is. I haven't used my original one in a while, it's coming back out because I forgot what a great tool it is! 👍
Message: Posted by: neurostand (Feb 9, 2016 04:30PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, SolidSnake wrote:
If this is based or is STEAM then the ad copy is slightly misleading no? Without giving anything away, I'm pretty sure you have to cover the business card with a special something first then the spec can cover it with whatever. Unless this isn't steam? [/quote]


"Turn your back to the spectator or be out of the room while she writes and covers her word."

So there's is no way you have to cover it with a special something. Otherwise this statement is more than just misleading.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Feb 9, 2016 04:39PM)
I use the Ghost by Alakazam. I understand it is similar in concept to Steam but not sure how close. If close, nothing ever gets placed over the card they write on.
Message: Posted by: Willie mcgregor (Feb 9, 2016 04:51PM)
Just ordered mine from MoM hope it is good as the description on the video says I'll be back with a review as soon as I try it out :-)
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Feb 9, 2016 05:12PM)
The original Steam fooled Penn & Teller when it was performed on there. They pretty much worked the rest of the act out, but couldn't understand how Etienne knew the number etc. So for that reason he fooled them - was a good performance. But it will be really interesting to see the new materials now used in v2 - those who have/seen the original will know what I mean about what they write on.
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Feb 9, 2016 05:21PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, SolidSnake wrote:
If this is based or is STEAM then the ad copy is slightly misleading no? Without giving anything away, I'm pretty sure you have to cover the business card with a special something first then the spec can cover it with whatever. Unless this isn't steam? [/quote]

In the video he asks her to cover the card with an envelope then her hand.

Everything's examinable and nothing to ditch is intriguing
Message: Posted by: mysticalsales (Feb 9, 2016 05:26PM)
ENOUGH SECRET STUFF FOR 100 PERFORMANCES

Plus! A Bonus set of 50 STEAM 2.0 bill gaffs for an out-of-your-wallet "money hustle" presentation.

And YES! You even get Two (2) Fortune Telling Fish for the Steamed Red Herring presentation.
Message: Posted by: Andrew Davis (Feb 9, 2016 05:28PM)
Available for preorder from Magic and Such - Shipping on the 18th, as well - Free in the USA

http://www.magicandsuch.com/product/paul-harris-presents-steam-2-0-by-ali-nouira/
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Feb 9, 2016 05:28PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, CSArscott wrote:
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, SolidSnake wrote:
If this is based or is STEAM then the ad copy is slightly misleading no? Without giving anything away, I'm pretty sure you have to cover the business card with a special something first then the spec can cover it with whatever. Unless this isn't steam? [/quote]

In the video he asks her to cover the card with an envelope then her hand.

Everything's examinable and nothing to ditch is intriguing [/quote]

Not 100% but you then write on the envelope that was used to cover the card.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Feb 9, 2016 05:29PM)
Looks great, but hate refills
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Feb 9, 2016 05:43PM)
I don't perform this type of effects but I just might have to get this to blow peoples minds.
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Feb 9, 2016 05:47PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, PRINCE wrote:
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, CSArscott wrote:
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, SolidSnake wrote:
If this is based or is STEAM then the ad copy is slightly misleading no? Without giving anything away, I'm pretty sure you have to cover the business card with a special something first then the spec can cover it with whatever. Unless this isn't steam? [/quote]

In the video he asks her to cover the card with an envelope then her hand.

Everything's examinable and nothing to ditch is intriguing [/quote]

Not 100% but you then write on the envelope that was used to cover the card. [/quote]

that's what I thought, so some audience management required.
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Feb 9, 2016 05:48PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, Karl M wrote:
Looks brilliant, my order is in [/quote]

Mine as well. Might even replace my Blind Man's Wallet...
Message: Posted by: mysticalsales (Feb 9, 2016 05:50PM)
From the ad it appears you get Special blank business card stock for 100 performances that stay completely blank on the back after writing
Gimmick that allows you to adapt to your own Sharpie
It appears you must lay a business card on top of the prediction than take it to make your written prediction.
True you are not touching the spectators prediction, but your taking something away that is right on top of it?
Refills are a pain, cool idea.
Message: Posted by: neurostand (Feb 9, 2016 06:26PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, mysticalsales wrote:
From the ad it appears you get Special blank business card stock for 100 performances that stay completely blank on the back after writing
Gimmick that allows you to adapt to your own Sharpie
It appears you must lay a business card on top of the prediction than take it to make your written prediction.
True you are not touching the spectators prediction, but your taking something away that is right on top of it?
Refills are a pain, cool idea. [/quote]

Would seem a bit unnatural to me to use a card for cover and then take it to make your own prediction. You don't see that part in the video, so who knows what's the solution to this.
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Feb 9, 2016 06:27PM)
My order is in...

Only question I have is with refills: do any dealers know whether the refills will be easy to source online rather than through dealers?

I also have The Ghost and the special something was relatively easy to source.

Appreciate any insight anyone can provide to assist.

Thanks,

Elliot
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Feb 9, 2016 06:47PM)
For best customer service buy it here: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/6717
Message: Posted by: Krazyjay (Feb 9, 2016 06:52PM)
I ordered this from Paul at hocus-pocus. I have the original wanted to see what they did with the pen.
Message: Posted by: Platt (Feb 9, 2016 07:00PM)
This sounds great. But it is curious that they would leave the basic handling out of the description and so called complete performance video. If it's covering the writing with a business card/envelope and then taking that card back that's dramatically different, and honestly far less clean than what's described. Performance videos can be tricky but this is different than a small move that's covered by misdirection. By the comments, this is something that's visibly and overtly part of the routine. So they should show it, no?
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Feb 9, 2016 07:02PM)
Yes
Message: Posted by: neurostand (Feb 9, 2016 07:05PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, Platt wrote:
This sounds great. But it is curious that they would leave the basic handling out of the description and so called complete performance video. If it's covering the writing with a business card/envelope and then taking that card back that's dramatically different, and honestly far less clean than what's described. Performance videos can be tricky but this is different than a small move that's covered by misdirection. By the comments, this is something that's visibly and overtly part of the routine. So they should show it, no? [/quote]

Yes, and that's the reason why I haven't pushed the buy button yet.
Message: Posted by: mysticalsales (Feb 9, 2016 07:12PM)
If the spectator's card needs to be covered with another card to retrieve the info before the performer writes the prediction than this indeed is misleading.
If it's something that the spectator indeed sees in the routine than in my opinion the only reason to omit it from the "Full Performance" video is to fool the potential customer that would want to buy it based what is seen. Just my 2 cents.
Message: Posted by: JustJoshinMagic (Feb 9, 2016 07:23PM)
This looks fantastic! I'll be picking it up for sure (side note does anyone else find it funny that literally half this thread is people telling us where to buy it from? Pretty sure we know by now)

I don't do a lot of mentalism but this would fit perfectly with the few pieces I do
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 9, 2016 08:20PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, mysticalsales wrote:
If the spectator's card needs to be covered with another card to retrieve the info before the performer writes the prediction than this indeed is misleading.
If it's something that the spectator indeed sees in the routine than in my opinion the only reason to omit it from the "Full Performance" video is to fool the potential customer that would want to buy it based what is seen. Just my 2 cents. [/quote]

All you say is quite correct.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 9, 2016 08:22PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, Krazyjay wrote:
I ordered this from Paul at hocus-pocus. I have the original wanted to see what they did with the pen. [/quote]

They didn't do anything with the pen - there is nothing to do with the pen except to make certain it works. Done.

The only reason I would even consider this is for the routines.

I will say that I hope Ali makes a few $$$ from this as Alakazam's knock-off Ghost was a little disappointing as it had a reverse image. This should have a positive image.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 9, 2016 08:23PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, Elliot Marx wrote:
My order is in...

Only question I have is with refills: do any dealers know whether the refills will be easy to source online rather than through dealers?

I also have The Ghost and the special something was relatively easy to source.

Appreciate any insight anyone can provide to assist.

Thanks,

Elliot [/quote]


If this is like the original you can source your own very easily - no need for refills.
Message: Posted by: ponchito (Feb 9, 2016 08:35PM)
I started a topic about Steam in Inner Thoughts back in 2010, because it is a great tool.
It seems now that Steam it has been reborn, but which is the difference?
A new handling?
A different size of the paper?
Something about the Sharpie? (that will be a great improvement!)
And they are skipping a very important part in the description.
The owners of Steam will understand me.
I would like to have more information.

Ponch
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Feb 9, 2016 08:41PM)
Thanks Brett, I don't have the original Steam but know The Ghost was based on the same principle.

Maybe I should've better clarified my question on refills: it was relating to the cards used in the updated version and how easy (and affordable) they would be to source.

Appreciate we are bordering on exposure here so don't want to expand further. Also understand that not many people would be in a position to answer unless they've seen the product in the flesh.

Overseas shipping with the Aussie dollar is a killer right now :(
Message: Posted by: sychou (Feb 9, 2016 10:39PM)
Can this gimmick used for drawing duplication? I am considering buying it,seems like a very fair process,almost test conidtion mentalism.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Feb 9, 2016 10:53PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, sychou wrote:
Can this gimmick used for drawing duplication? I am considering buying it,seems like a very fair process,almost test conidtion mentalism. [/quote]

Yes sir!! It's very fair process!
Message: Posted by: Dark Knight (Feb 9, 2016 11:13PM)
I have the Steam trilogy published 5-6 years ago by Café member Chris Matthewson. The books themselves are outstanding and I strongly suspect Steam 2.0 is something discussed in great detail with almost infinite variations in the trilogy. I believe the middle book, called "Thought Reader's Secret Weapon," definitely has this, but I think the other two books have variations, too.

I don't know if the books are still available, but as I said Matthewson is still a member of the Café and can be contacted.

BTW, I believe the books discuss several improvements on the standard black marker commonly used. I've used many ideas from the trilogy and recommend them without reservation as containing some of the best information retrieval methods in the business!

DK
Message: Posted by: MinSting (Feb 9, 2016 11:16PM)
Nice package and trailer,
i have the original steam and I find the system very original and magical, but was just okey for big and simple shapes,
did the resolution of the duplication improve over 1.0?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 9, 2016 11:27PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, MinSting wrote:
Nice package and trailer,
i have the original steam and I find the system very original and magical, but was just okey for big and simple shapes,
did the resolution of the duplication improve over 1.0? [/quote]

Guys -

The resolution is affected by many variables - including ambient temp.

I get amazing resolution from the 1.0 as I have been experimenting for years with different variables - always keeping in mind that hot conditions as in Phoenix (or Spain) will greatly affect resolution.

I think all of us who know STEAM (which has been a locked topic for many years) shouldn't discuss pens etc.

Its a great utility tool - it is not a trick.
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Feb 10, 2016 01:29AM)
To answer sychou I would say DDs are just one of the myriad of options available...
Message: Posted by: Richard Doyle (Feb 10, 2016 05:06AM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, Platt wrote:
This sounds great. But it is curious that they would leave the basic handling out of the description and so called complete performance video. If it's covering the writing with a business card/envelope and then taking that card back that's dramatically different, and honestly far less clean than what's described. Performance videos can be tricky but this is different than a small move that's covered by misdirection. By the comments, this is something that's visibly and overtly part of the routine. So they should show it, no? [/quote]

Thanks for pointing this out. Not being honest is a big turnoff.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 10, 2016 05:27AM)
The 'weaknesses' of billet work or w*llets as mentioned in the vid, there's the same weakness in this too, that you will need to cover their drawing or whatever with something prepared, AND it needs justification (same as billet or w*llet stuff) - so, its on a par with everything else we do...its a clever technique and it works well enough...but its not a holy grail...

I think the interesting bit is the 'adapt your sharpie' bit...
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Feb 10, 2016 05:39AM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, IAIN wrote:
The 'weaknesses' of billet work or w*llets as mentioned in the vid, there's the same weakness in this too, that you will need to cover their drawing or whatever with something prepared, AND it needs justification (same as billet or w*llet stuff) - so, its on a par with everything else we do...its a clever technique and it works well enough...but its not a holy grail...

I think the interesting bit is the 'adapt your sharpie' bit... [/quote]

Completely agree, the problem relies on logic and when they try and work out how you knew the info and they back track - which they do. If the suspicion arouses because of logic e.g I wonder why he got me to put the envelope on the card then cover with my hands, because all I had to do was cover with my hands etc etc, then this unfortunately is the let down. The same as taking the card and putting it in a wallet. BUT if you can give a good logical and plausible reason for needing to do these actions then yes it's a winner.
Message: Posted by: chuds (Feb 10, 2016 06:26AM)
Will anyone be selling this at Blackpool, I might save some money on postage!
Message: Posted by: Platt (Feb 10, 2016 07:13AM)
Exactly. I find it a bit disgusting that he practically scoffs at the use of ripping up a card or having to place it in your wallet and then fails to mention that you have to do something equally if not more contrived with his seeming perfect effect. If you're going to knock down classic methods of getting information and brag that your invention doesn't require those techniques, at the very least show in your video what you have to do instead. He goes on to say "don't even try to guess how it's done because you can't. It's THAT brilliant. What a joke. Bad form by the creator. Pass.

[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, IAIN wrote:
The 'weaknesses' of billet work or w*llets as mentioned in the vid, there's the same weakness in this too, that you will need to cover their drawing or whatever with something prepared, AND it needs justification (same as billet or w*llet stuff) - so, its on a par with everything else we do...its a clever technique and it works well enough...but its not a holy grail...

I think the interesting bit is the 'adapt your sharpie' bit... [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Dominic Reyes (Feb 10, 2016 07:24AM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, chuds wrote:
Will anyone be selling this at Blackpool, I might save some money on postage! [/quote]

I expect so. All depends if the first release batch sells out before then.

MoM are currently supplying STEAM 2.0 with free worldwide shipping from the UK, if that helps solve that concern for you?

Here: http://www.magicshop.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=147327

Hope this helps
Dominic
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 10, 2016 07:55AM)
The edit @ 4:16 in the demo is enough for me to not buy this very misleading product. Do you think reactions will be better than using a wallet, etc?? I doubt it.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 10, 2016 08:11AM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, Platt wrote:
Exactly. I find it a bit disgusting that he practically scoffs at the use of ripping up a card or having to place it in your wallet and then fails to mention that you have to do something equally if not more contrived with his seeming perfect effect. If you're going to knock down classic methods of getting information and brag that your invention doesn't require those techniques, at the very least show in your video what you have to do instead. He goes on to say "don't even try to guess how it's done because you can't. It's THAT brilliant. What a joke. Bad form by the creator. Pass.

[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, IAIN wrote:
The 'weaknesses' of billet work or w*llets as mentioned in the vid, there's the same weakness in this too, that you will need to cover their drawing or whatever with something prepared, AND it needs justification (same as billet or w*llet stuff) - so, its on a par with everything else we do...its a clever technique and it works well enough...but its not a holy grail...

I think the interesting bit is the 'adapt your sharpie' bit... [/quote] [/quote]

Because he is a magician and he is trying to play it as a mentalist. Different thinking and I am not trying to start an argument.

I showed STEAM to Jeff McBride, Eugene, Ross and Larry some months ago and they were blown away by the concept - it really is a great concept. But the video demo here is typical PH playing footsie with the presentation.
Message: Posted by: Uncle Joe (Feb 10, 2016 08:23AM)
This first came to my attention through a subscribed channel on YouTube.
After watching the vid I was excited and curious.
After reading some of the posts,it looks like I'm gonna save some money.
Message: Posted by: larotule (Feb 10, 2016 08:30AM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, pegasus wrote:
The edit @ 4:16 in the demo is enough for me to not buy this very misleading product. Do you think reactions will be better than using a wallet, etc?? I doubt it. [/quote]

This is not misleading because they are smart, and ad copy is 100 % correct BUT they just cut by "mistake" something illogical (giving two business cards to a spectator !!??? , cover them and give back to you the blank one !!!???) ... Just Watch the trailer at 43 seconds ! you will see the "cut part" ! ... they are really smart to fool people

i have steam 1.0 and it's far away better than that ... everything is logical, you ask for a card name and put the card box to cover everything

steam principle is brilliant and you like the effect ? ... buy STEAM 1.0 but not 2.0 !!!

just my two cents
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 10, 2016 09:33AM)
Why does PH need to put good material in the magic blender and turn on high speed?
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Feb 10, 2016 09:37AM)
I watched Etiennes performance on fool us and I really do like how the box goes over the card because it seems so natural. 2 business cards does not. But hey, maybe they worked it into the routine perfectly.
I recently received Psypher 2. I know I am late but I'm trying to pick the advantages and disadvantages of them both. But right now they are looking rather similar.

Once you know Steam, can't you adapt it to anything you want? If the special something is easy to source, can't you use a card box instead of a business card if you wanted to??? Even if that is not how they teach the new version.
Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 10, 2016 09:41AM)
I have been closely following this thread.

[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, MinSting wrote:

[b]did the resolution of the duplication improve over 1.0?[/b] [/quote]


[b]* The resolution is affected by many variables - including ambient temp.[/b]

I get amazing resolution from the 1.0 as I have been experimenting for years with different variables - [b]always keeping in mind that hot conditions as in Phoenix (or Spain) will greatly affect resolution[/b].
[/quote]

In STEAM 2.0 I find that PH & Team has taken care and has addressed the problem of resolution by making use of the spectators palm as the added heat source. This also helps in reducing the time factor for registering of the image. All other working remains same as per the original STEAM. So please don't get fooled by the clever advertising by these magic creators/distributors.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Feb 10, 2016 09:42AM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, pelicantrapper wrote:
I watched Etiennes performance on fool us and I really do like how the box goes over the card because it seems so natural. 2 business cards does not. But hey, maybe they worked it into the routine perfectly.
I recently received Psypher 2. I know I am late but I'm trying to pick the advantages and disadvantages of them both. But right now they are looking rather similar.

Once you know Steam, can't you adapt it to anything you want? If the special something is easy to source, can't you use a card box instead of a business card if you wanted to??? Even if that is not how they teach the new version.
Thanks! [/quote]

I think your right and providing the chemicals are used then I guess I does not matter what is used as the 'top' object. I think they have tried to go down the route of making the 'gimmicks' as organic as possible. The downside of this is yes as organic as they are, this may not reflect in it being the most logical in performance I guess
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Feb 10, 2016 11:39AM)
The PH team is usually pretty good in answering our questions. Hope they drop by here soon.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 10, 2016 11:57AM)
The question isn't of how organic the gimmicks are made to look. Any Routine/performance must have logic and reasoning. The performer cannot ask the spectator to add an object and then later, just before the revelation, takes the added object from the spectator. As far as possible such actions should be avoided.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Feb 10, 2016 12:18PM)
Totally agree, but I think they have decided to solve the 'logic' and 'reasoning' by introducing organic gimmicks. Alas this still doesn't alter what is perceived logical in actions when performing it like you said. For me I would need a good reason and justification why I say to cover their card with an envelope/other card then have them cover their hands over everything. When they back track they too will ask them self the question of why that extra envelope/card had to put on top of the signed card - when he's not going to see anyway as my hands are/were covering it.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Feb 10, 2016 12:22PM)
Plus I don't for a minute think that I or anyone else with the same feelings on this logic and reasoning are over thinking anything. Or "we are thinking to much like a magician" this would honestly be a thought process of a normal lay person when trying to work out how you knew the word/drawing etc.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Feb 10, 2016 12:22PM)
Organic gimmicks do not improve an effect if their use does not make sense. A potato is organic but I'm not sure it would significantly improve a drawing dupe.

Mark
Message: Posted by: PHSIS (Feb 10, 2016 12:24PM)
Hi all.

Good questions. All actions during performance are properly
motivated and appear completely innocent and logical to the audience.

I think your going to love this thing!

Janet Harris
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 10, 2016 12:27PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hi all.

Good questions. All actions during performance are properly
motivated and appear completely innocent and logical to the audience.

I think your going to love this thing!

Janet Harris [/quote]

Then why edit it out of the demo?
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Feb 10, 2016 12:51PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hi all.

Good questions. All actions during performance are properly
motivated and appear completely innocent and logical to the audience.

I think your going to love this thing!

Janet Harris [/quote]

Hi Janet and thanks for the post and letting us know. It would be great if you could please mention what is said at the time to the spectator as a logical and justified reason to putting the additional envelope/card on top of theirs please, before they then cover everything with their hands.
Many thanks
Message: Posted by: SolidSnake (Feb 10, 2016 12:57PM)
Just give us an unedited demo. If it's good people will buy. Remember this is not a routine you are selling. U r selling a gimmick. You have nothing to lose by releasing a proper demo : unless the use of the gimmick is suspect. I for one know STEAM already. I will not support any effect that relies on custom props where the creator refuses to give a proper demonstration.
Message: Posted by: Platt (Feb 10, 2016 01:12PM)
Sorry Janet, I love you and Paul but that is not a satisfying answer. The big claim here is that you have eclipsed the standard methods of obtaining information including billets and wallets (which are also motivated by the way) So how can you possibly convince me of that without showing the performance. It's like me saying I've created a vanish that's cleaner and more motivated than other vanishes out there and then cut out the moment the coin is vanished. Why show a video at all? I think the comments here say it all.

[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hi all.

Good questions. All actions during performance are properly
motivated and appear completely innocent and logical to the audience.

I think your going to love this thing!

Janet Harris [/quote]
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Feb 10, 2016 01:19PM)
There is a video cut .
The performer talks about a envelope
I just see a billet and a pen
Is the envelope used as support for writing?
If the method is what Ustaad tells I think can be a steam improved .
:hotcoffee:
Message: Posted by: Ray Chelt (Feb 10, 2016 01:42PM)
This one seems to have been the re-launch of a utility that seems to have been languishing in many people's bottom drawer.

I think it's perfectly obvious that the effect needs something placed on the specs card and its down to how that's justified.

But from memory you needed to press the other object quite firmly against the written on card and you needed to do it all relatively quickly ?

Have these aspects been improved.?
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Feb 10, 2016 01:45PM)
The spectators hands (when asked to cover everything)are the weight device to be pushed down on the envelope that is on top of the card they signed - I think
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Feb 10, 2016 01:57PM)
The edited bit in case of any confusion with others or wondering about what is edited, is what happens to the envelope that was on top of their card as she then puts her hand on top of everything, as the next frame shows her lift her hand and turn the card over. So there is a scene missing where she then lifts her hand up, the envelope is removed, then her hand is placed back down on the card ready for the final reveal of lifting her hand again to turn over the card.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Feb 10, 2016 02:03PM)
...I think we have revealed too much here...
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 10, 2016 02:06PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, pelicantrapper wrote:
I watched Etiennes performance on fool us and I really do like how the box goes over the card because it seems so natural. 2 business cards does not. But hey, maybe they worked it into the routine perfectly.
I recently received Psypher 2. I know I am late but I'm trying to pick the advantages and disadvantages of them both. But right now they are looking rather similar.

Once you know Steam, can't you adapt it to anything you want? If the special something is easy to source, can't you use a card box instead of a business card if you wanted to??? Even if that is not how they teach the new version.
Thanks! [/quote]

You can adapt it to anything
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 10, 2016 02:07PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, Ray Chelt wrote:
This one seems to have been the re-launch of a utility that seems to have been languishing in many people's bottom drawer.

I think it's perfectly obvious that the effect needs something placed on the specs card and its down to how that's justified.

But from memory you needed to press the other object quite firmly against the written on card and you needed to do it all relatively quickly ?

Have these aspects been improved.? [/quote]

Not my drawer. I use at every large show.
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Feb 10, 2016 02:22PM)
I still use steam,i love it and I use it many different ways,so I am happy with it the way it is,not sure you could improve on how this is used weather it be a card box ,cash e.t.c.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 10, 2016 02:38PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hi all.

Good questions. All actions during performance are properly
motivated and appear completely innocent and logical to the audience.

I think your going to love this thing!

Janet Harris [/quote]

Why do we go through these same machinations every release? Couldn't Titanis with his knowledge,
input and creativity get things back on track?
Message: Posted by: chuds (Feb 10, 2016 02:42PM)
I personally think that far too many people are almost exposing the method here.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Feb 10, 2016 03:00PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, Platt wrote:
Sorry Janet, I love you and Paul but that is not a satisfying answer. The big claim here is that you have eclipsed the standard methods of obtaining information including billets and wallets (which are also motivated by the way) So how can you possibly convince me of that without showing the performance. It's like me saying I've created a vanish that's cleaner and more motivated than other vanishes out there and then cut out the moment the coin is vanished. Why show a video at all? I think the comments here say it all.

[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hi all.

Good questions. All actions during performance are properly
motivated and appear completely innocent and logical to the audience.

I think your going to love this thing!

Janet Harris [/quote] [/quote]

Hey Platt, if you don't know about the principle yet you will fall in love with it.
I love your Platt Pad and iam sure YOU will find some clever applications with steam.
I for myself are not sure if I need a V2.0 because I feel that I've worked it from 0 - 100.
Found a lot of great applications and had great ideas shared with me in the past.
Iam grateful for Ali Nouiras Steam 1.0!

For Steam 2.0: Everything old is new again..They try to sell refills here and warm up some (good) old coffee to make some bucks.
Hope that people will keep it a secret. When I see the trailer and possible target group I get shivers.
Message: Posted by: Steve Suss (Feb 10, 2016 03:09PM)
All we are asking is why would an owner of Steam 1 now purchase Steam 2. I think this is a fair question for those who already own Steam 1.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 10, 2016 03:29PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, Steve Suss wrote:
All we are asking is why would an owner of Steam 1 now purchase Steam 2. I think this is a fair question for those who already own Steam 1. [/quote]

Only for the routines IMO if you own 1.0

They better be great routines though.

Curious about the Mark Salem thing - would love to hear more.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Feb 10, 2016 03:32PM)
Because the strange blue paper is no longer used yet 'ordinary' white card stock.
Message: Posted by: dmoses (Feb 10, 2016 03:36PM)
It's offers a bit more than the routines... just a bit though :)
Some might just consider it packaging but it's something that make things easier and more natural while making it appear more innocent and impossible.

d
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Feb 10, 2016 04:09PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, Magic KL wrote:
The PH team is usually pretty good in answering our questions. Hope they drop by here soon. [/quote]

I don't think she has answered any of the concerns at all

As This has been out for years I am still waiting to know what improvements are in V2

And why was the Demo edited !
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Feb 10, 2016 04:30PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, Magic KL wrote:
The PH team is usually pretty good in answering our questions. Hope they drop by here soon. [/quote]

I don't think she has answered any of the concerns at all

As This has been out for years I am still waiting to know what improvements are in V2

And why was the Demo edited ! [/quote]

I know this has been said earlier but from a copying pov then no one is able or could replicate this is effect as you are buying a gimmick that none of us could really copy or make ourselves - so why the edit? However I think unfortunately they wanted to make the vid and performance of this look virtually impossible and very good that we all jump on the buy button thinking that when we get it, we could perform it exactly like in the trailer. I just feel that if the 'full' performance was shown people will realise this logic and reasoning of then having to remove the envelope or more so why you have to put the envelope on the card doesn't look that clean from a logic and reasoning perspective - and for that reason will put off from buying it.
Message: Posted by: Ray Chelt (Feb 10, 2016 04:50PM)
Weirdly the demo for Steam 2 does it no favours.

They fail to show the "moment" for no good reason and then having a written prediction that matches the specs written choice doesn't portray the effect in the best light.

But this video of steam 1 probably gives you a better idea of what's going on and, the fact that the spec writes down a card and the magician divines that card is a much better disconnect to my mind than matching written items.

You can see the real potential with this effect, but I've still no idea what the improvement is on the original.

http://youtu.be/hW2tofVNBok
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Feb 10, 2016 06:42PM)
Well this will be my first purchase from PH presents... I'm remaining hopeful it won't turn into buyer's remorse.

Will post honest thoughts once I receive this.

Elliot
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Feb 10, 2016 06:59PM)
Speaking for myself, it would be great if there was a response from the creator to the legitimate questions being posed here on the product demo rather than a generic reply that still leaves these questions unanswered.

No malice intended, however I don't believe I'm alone in my view.
Thanks,

Elliot
Message: Posted by: larotule (Feb 10, 2016 07:31PM)
[quote]

As This has been out for years I am still waiting to know what improvements are in V2

And why was the Demo edited ! [/quote]

"Improvements" : no stappler (useless that's a little too much) in v1 you could just put the paper face down ... and reset (by using business cards) better than a card box

But watch this demo with a bill ... v1 from ali nouira himself (he made a bet with a gimmicked bill first then increase his bet) remove the stappler and put the paper face down and this is perfect.

https://youtu.be/9Ec63Rh_wqc

Why the demo was edited ? Hmmm I will say to sell more or because the very lovely short haired girl show her boobs during that "properly motivated, completely innocent and logical" part so they have to cut the scene
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 10, 2016 07:36PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, Elliot Marx wrote:
Well this will be my first purchase from PH presents... I'm remaining hopeful it won't turn into buyer's remorse.

Will post honest thoughts once I receive this.

Elliot [/quote]

You'll be fine.

It is a solid principle and there is a nice "wow" factor
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Feb 10, 2016 07:39PM)
Thanks Brett. I respect your opinion mate.

Will post a review once received.

Elliot
Message: Posted by: mantel (Feb 10, 2016 08:31PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, Ray Chelt wrote:
Weirdly the demo for Steam 2 does it no favours.

They fail to show the "moment" for no good reason and then having a written prediction that matches the specs written choice doesn't portray the effect in the best light.

[/quote]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. I don't get why some magic demos these days are edited such that "this is what the spectator sees". I feel it is a bizarre choice when the product is solid.
Message: Posted by: PHSIS (Feb 10, 2016 08:43PM)
Hello again. Just wanted to clarify a few things for the curious.

First things first. You can do all of the effects that you could do with the original Steam using card cases, bills etc. So if there is any videos that you have seen and liked in the thread here you will be able to do all of them and more with the custom materials supplied in the Steam 2.0 super kit :). There are also a handful of brand new routines from our creative team.

Plus we have revised some of the materials and presentations so that the spectator can do all of the writing and covering actions themselves while your back is turned or even out of the room.

Plus with the revised materials spectator can examine everything before and after so there is nothing to hide or ditch.

Also tested to find the very best items to make sure the effect works every single time.

Regarding the video demo. It's always a tough call on these things. In this case we edited around an innocent subtlety that would mean nothing to a spectator. But on the Café it would likely inspire the typical 20 questions scenario that leads to public exposure of the beautiful method.


This may be a futile attempt to protect the secret..but we are trying our best to honor the method and the creators as well as the magi who are trying to make an informed decision.

If you have any doubts at all about Steam 2.0 we of course are happy to have you wait for the reviews to come in before you make a decision.


Still think you're going to love this!

Janet Harris
Message: Posted by: Nat (Feb 10, 2016 09:03PM)
Thanks Janet -- always appreciate your helpful and valuable commentary.

Keep up the great work!

Nathan

[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hello again. Just wanted to clarify a few things for the curious.

First things first. You can do all of the effects that you could do with the original Steam using card cases, bills etc. So if there is any videos that you have seen and liked in the thread here you will be able to do all of them and more with the custom materials supplied in the Steam 2.0 super kit :). There are also a handful of brand new routines from our creative team.

Plus we have revised some of the materials and presentations so that the spectator can do all of the writing and covering actions themselves while your back is turned or even out of the room.

Plus with the revised materials spectator can examine everything before and after so there is nothing to hide or ditch.

Also tested to find the very best items to make sure the effect works every single time.

Regarding the video demo. It's always a tough call on these things. In this case we edited around an innocent subtlety that would mean nothing to a spectator. But on the Café it would likely inspire the typical 20 questions scenario that leads to public exposure of the beautiful method.


This may be a futile attempt to protect the secret..but we are trying our best to honor the method and the creators as well as the magi who are trying to make an informed decision.

If you have any doubts at all about Steam 2.0 we of course are happy to have you wait for the reviews to come in before you make a decision.


Still think you're going to love this!

Janet Harris [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Feb 10, 2016 09:04PM)
Thanks Janet,

I can't speak of public exposure, but to be fair, not including the "subtlety" has still resulted in "20 questions" from would be purchasers.

I suppose this may be a case of being "***ed if you do, ***ed if you don't".

Thanks for your reply, nonetheless.

Elliot
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Feb 10, 2016 09:09PM)
Janet, are you able to comment on the accessibility of the necessary items for refills for those of us in far flung climes? Or will they only be available through dealers?

Thanks,

Elliot
Message: Posted by: larotule (Feb 10, 2016 09:12PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Regarding the video demo. It's always a tough call on these things. In this case we edited around an innocent subtlety that would mean nothing to a spectator. But on the Café it would likely inspire the typical 20 questions scenario that leads to public exposure of the beautiful method.


This may be a futile attempt to protect the secret..but we are trying our best to honor the method and the creators as well as the magi who are trying to make an informed decision.

[/quote]

The creator himself made an uncut video ... the product is solid no need to hide anything.

U have steam stick on it and read jan's great advices... you could build by yourself a steam "3.0".

U don't have steam (hard to find) buy steam 2.0 you ll like it ! ... yes ... but keep in mind you couldn't do exactly what you saw in the trailer.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 10, 2016 09:42PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, Steve Suss wrote:

All we are asking is why would an owner of Steam 1 now purchase Steam 2. I think this is a fair question for those who already own Steam 1. [/quote]

After watching the demo vid I made a comment (on this threads on page 2 - Posted: Feb 10, 2016 10:41 am) giving my own reasons for the spectator placing her palm on top of the business card. This I feel has been good thinking (as I think) on the part of the STEAM 2.0 team.

Also STEAM 2.0 comes with all the tried and tested ready to go material needed for a fail-proof performance. However as seen in the demo vid, I don't agree with the manner in which the performer gains his information. On this too I have made my comments with reason.

I personally feel that the release of STEAM 2.0 is a good buy especially for those who don't have the earlier version of STEAM. But that's MY opinion. :)

[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:

[b]There are also a handful of brand new routines from our creative team.[/b]
[/quote]

In that case, these fresh routines should have been your better selling point and as part of your sales advertisement (and also included in the demo vid as a teaser) and thus giving a very good reason for bringing out STEAM 2.0

Just my thoughts. ;)

:xmas:
P.S. And for those who ardent performers of STEAM who are looking for various routines and methods of performing steam I would suggest:-

[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, Dark Knight wrote:

I have the Steam trilogy published 5-6 years ago by Café member Chris Matthewson. The books themselves are outstanding and I strongly suspect Steam 2.0 is something discussed in great detail with almost infinite variations in the trilogy.

I don't know if the books are still available, but as I said Matthewson is still a member of the Café and can be contacted.

BTW, I believe the books discuss several improvements on the standard black marker commonly used. I've used many ideas from the trilogy and recommend them without reservation as containing some of the best information retrieval methods in the business!
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Feb 10, 2016 09:57PM)
On a positive note for me, I pulled out Steam 1 and found a great source for the original material online. I also reread Stephen Young's book "Under your own steam"
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=532942#12

Glad this has come available, it reminded me how great Steam 1 is. I'll be using it often.
James
Message: Posted by: gtx magic (Feb 10, 2016 10:17PM)
This is the original steam [in french of course] this one makes more sense and logical to the spectator they write a thought of card down etc etc the performer puts the pack of cards in box over the written word (CARD) the spec covers with their hand etc they raise their hand the performer picks up the cards takes them out of the box at the same time taking a peak at the written prediction. Job done in natural and justified actions.This video is giving more detail and explanations but unfortunately you after to understand the language.

[youtube]uFuopvoL3Yc[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 10, 2016 11:15PM)
I would like to make a couple of points:-

STEAM will not work in extreme hot and dry climate. Reason . . . ;)

To hasten up the reaction time in cold climate, it would be better to use an external heat source like the one shown in the STEAM 2.0 demo (heat of palm). Also one can think of using a hot coffee mug to be placed over the props.

I would also like to advise that before your actual performance please to a trial so as to check the timing for the impression to appear. This is important since STEAM is highly dependent on the surrounding atmospheric conditions besides other factors.

My 1/2 a cent! :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Fligmupple (Feb 10, 2016 11:18PM)
First I would like to say I like the method behind Steam (and obviously Steam 2.0).

I also like the (or an) original French demo video of Steam.

What I HATE though, is the intentional deception of the Steam 2.0 demo video. I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE demo video of tricks where they are edited to literally trick the magician into buying the product. It's a lame, cowardly move that's motivated by profit. The excuse of "it's the spectator's view" is a cop out. Shame on you.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 10, 2016 11:32PM)
[quote]On Feb 11, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
I would like to make a couple of points:-

STEAM will not work in extreme hot and dry climate. Reason . . . ;)

To hasten up the reaction time in cold climate, it would be better to use an external heat source like the one shown in the STEAM 2.0 demo (heat of palm). Also one can think of using a hot coffee mug to be placed over the props.

I would also like to advise that before your actual performance please to a trial so as to check the timing for the impression to appear. This is important since STEAM is highly dependent on the surrounding atmospheric conditions besides other factors.

My 1/2 a cent! :)

:xmas: [/quote]

All great advice.

Another tip is that overly air-conditioned rooms (as in a hotel) where there is a fan overhead or HVAC vent - can also be an issue.
Message: Posted by: chrismatt (Feb 11, 2016 03:58AM)
Several have written me recently about my trilogy on the underlying principle. I have a few copies left of each manuscript.

From what I've read in this thread, the exact method of Steam 2.0 was written up several years ago in both my [b][i]Sub Rosa Book Test[/i][/b] and my [b][i]Thought Reader's Secret Weapon[/i][/b], as part of a much longer treatment (the chapters on my [i]Rosebud gimmick[/i] and my [i]QT Envelope Gimmick[/i]).

I should add that a much more subtle idea was described in detail in the third book of my trilogy: [b][i]Little Nicky and Other Oddities[/i][/b].

Anyone interested in these manuscripts is welcome to contact me at chrismattx@gmail.com.

Thank you,
CM
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Feb 11, 2016 07:36PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, Elliot Marx wrote:
Janet, are you able to comment on the accessibility of the necessary items for refills for those of us in far flung climes? Or will they only be available through dealers?

Thanks,

Elliot [/quote]

You won't need to go to the dealer for most of it. You should be able to buy the main part very cheaply and will last years and years to come.
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Feb 11, 2016 07:51PM)
Thank you, lunatik, I appreciate the response.

Would you be able to PM me with details on what wouldn't be easily accessible? I'm being mindful of exposure on the forum.

Or if indeed anyone else has the answer, feel free to shoot me a PM.

Thanks,

Elliot
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 11, 2016 09:33PM)
Well here's the thing: if lunatik tells you the components in a PM then you won't need to buy steam 2.

That's not fair to the creators.

IMO That's worse than exposure. I suggest you buy it and then we can all talk in a big PM pow wow.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 11, 2016 10:02PM)
[quote]On Feb 11, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
Well here's the thing: if lunatik tells you the components in a PM then you won't need to buy steam 2.

That's not fair to the creators.

IMO That's worse than exposure. I suggest you buy it and then we can all talk in a big PM pow wow. [/quote]

Good advice by Saysold1.

@ Elliot Marx

Once you have 50 posts the 'Banquet Room' will open up for you. You can then gain lot of info on STEAM here:-

The Magic Café Forum Index » » Inner thoughts » » Steam by Ali Nouira
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=438722&forum=82

. . . but you first need to quickly get your 50 posts on the Café. As I see you are 3 posts short. ;)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: natmagic (Feb 11, 2016 10:04PM)
Steam method is very baffling, up to the performer to make the routine equally as impressive.
Steam 1.0 required some prep and effort and some R&D depending on conditions to have everything running smooth, that's why its sat doing nothing in peoples magic drawers gone are the days of effort in trick preparation for great rewards magicians have become very lazy these days.
I haven't seen PH 2.0 but if its made the process smoother congrats to the PH camp.
chrismatt have you spoken to the PH team to understand if there is any conflict with your previously published routines booklets?
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Feb 12, 2016 02:54AM)
Thanks Brett, fair point. Certainly wasn't looking to circumvent the process; my question probably could've been worded differently.

I've pre-ordered this so all will become clear.

I own Ghost so the principle is familiar. I'm sure I'll be learning more as other doors open...
Message: Posted by: Willie mcgregor (Feb 12, 2016 07:43AM)
Agreed Saysold 1
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 12, 2016 09:20AM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, saysold1 wrote:

[b]Curious about the Mark Salem thing - would love to hear more.[/b] [/quote]

This what I found:-

In one of Marc Salem's video, Marc Salem does mention that he stumbled upon a new method (we know it by The STEAM Principle) about 20 years ago by fluke. This video was a Penguin Magic release some time during mid-2015.

The name of this download video is 'Visions' - http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/6036

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Feb 12, 2016 09:42AM)
[quote]On Feb 11, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
Well here's the thing: if lunatik tells you the components in a PM then you won't need to buy steam 2.

That's not fair to the creators.

IMO That's worse than exposure. I suggest you buy it and then we can all talk in a big PM pow wow. [/quote]

Correct. You'll need to own Steam to know what you can purchase on your own for cheap and what you might want to buy from the creator for refills. If I were you, I'd just buy Steam 2 and let your mind run wild. You can also at that point have a PM-fest with the rest of us :)
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Feb 12, 2016 05:05PM)
Yep, that's the plan... Cheers fellas. :)
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Feb 13, 2016 11:22AM)
Pre Ordered. Will review after I receive it.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Feb 14, 2016 07:39PM)
A added heat source is not necessary.
The hand covering (not new) serves another important purpose (the most important: pr*****e / b*r***r).

If we talk about palms and Steam: Mr. Mindbender should be mentioned for his brilliant Steam idea!
Message: Posted by: bowers (Feb 14, 2016 09:23PM)
Looking forward to this shipping.
Todd
Message: Posted by: chrismatt (Feb 15, 2016 08:39PM)
Brethren,

Quite a few have written me recently about my trilogy on the underlying principle. Several recalled something different I came up with about 8 years ago: a unique, nonelectronic technology for secretly retrieving information. They remembered my posting about it and wanted to know the details. For anyone else interested, here they are: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?forum=82&topic=316776#29

Good luck!
CM
Message: Posted by: Kaarlo von Freymann (Feb 16, 2016 04:16PM)
Dear Ustaad,

BUY OR NOT TO BUY, that is what these threads are all about and that is why we read them. Whenever I can find a post by you in a thread I know I need read no further as after reading it I know what to do. Very often like on this thread you save me money. Thanks once again for your invaluable help.

Kaarlo
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 16, 2016 09:49PM)
Dear Sir Kaarlo,

Thank you so much for the kind words. Coming from you means a lot to me.

Over the years I have noticed that whenever Paul Harris puts his stamp of approval especially on an upgraded version of an already released effect, one would invariably find that the effect/routine/performance tips have been greatly improved upon and perfected. However after watching the demo video of STEAM 2.0, I see no such improvement except that one is provided with all the requisite materials needed to perform the effect right out of the box.

When STEAM (I'll call it version 1.0) was first released (almost 5 years ago), one can find some great ideas/routines from our eminent members (here on the Café) on performing this simple and straightforward effect with ease and confidence. The only problem was that people could not easily find the correct material for STEAM 1.0. This has now been taken care of by Paul Harris & Team. However if one has the time & inclination, one will find that all requisite info (including the type of material needed) has been very well documented here on the Café. More so couple of our members (Stephen Young and chrismatt) have released some very useful and must have material on STEAM.

Just my thoughts (as usual! :)).

Best regards,

Narendra

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 16, 2016 10:29PM)
Great advice as usual from Kaarlo and Narendra.

I added quite a few of my own thoughts about STEAM 1 over a period of many years - if people take the time to search.

Why does Kaarlo always "drone on" though :-)
Message: Posted by: Robb (Feb 17, 2016 01:18PM)
HOLY EXPOSURE! About half a dozen times on this thread.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 17, 2016 01:45PM)
Find 'em and report 'em.
Message: Posted by: Dominic Reyes (Feb 18, 2016 05:40AM)
Steam 2.0 is now in stock at Merchant of Magic, and they are shipping out all pre-orders today.
Magicians are also collecting them directly from the magic shop this afternoon.

They still have a small batch in stock, so if you want a set today, now's the time to pick one up.

Hope this helps
Dominic
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Feb 18, 2016 10:12AM)
I'm looking forward to some reviews.

I need a little something to add to my routine, I'm doing cards, coins, and now I want to add a sprinkle of mentalism just to keep the spec's on their feet.
Message: Posted by: mndude (Feb 18, 2016 12:02PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, Elliot Marx wrote:
Thanks Brett. I respect your opinion mate.

Will post a review once received.

Elliot [/quote]
Looking forward to your review Elliot.
Message: Posted by: SolidSnake (Feb 18, 2016 01:50PM)
It certainly won't be Mentalism you do if you also do card n coin tricks.
Message: Posted by: espmagic (Feb 18, 2016 02:22PM)
Let's face it, guys: manufacturers/producers need to sell trix(!) to make a living. And every trick has that special something that makes it an eye-popping miracle, regardless of whether its a special prop/method/handling/covert action, etc. And while we seemingly are always complaining about "exposure", think of it from their position: if I demo my new effect, and from the video you do not have to buy it, because you can figure it out, then I've lost sales.

Now, the other half(?) of the group who complains about editing bits and pieces out of a promo video are fellows like me: I want the cleanest effect possible, and I get p*ssed when the video I see leaves out "something" that has to be done in performance, but isn't shown in the advert. It would throw my timing off, make me wonder about whether my audience would notice/think about the part that wasn't shown in the ad, and whether my own personal style would allow for its "justification" in the routine.

The effect as described (Steam 2.0) sounds amazing, jaw-dropping and makes me want it right now! But knowing that there is something missing makes me want to ask for a return-guarantee from the seller, so that when I get it, if I decide that I don't want it (due to the missing parts of the ad/trailer) I could return it, no questions asked. Because I am spending my hard earned money in a lifestyle based on lies and deception, and I feel the need to be able to trust the dealers who are selling me those lies.

Mr. Harris, please send me a copy of Steam 2.0, and if I like it after I have seen the dirty bits, I will pay you for it.

How's that for truth is sales?

Lee
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Feb 18, 2016 02:41PM)
You have consumer protection. If you feel the demo mislead you first contact the seller and request a return. If they refuse you, you have the law on your side. Magic products are not exempt from consumer ptotection laws.
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Feb 18, 2016 02:45PM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2016, SolidSnake wrote:
It certainly won't be Mentalism you do if you also do card n coin tricks. [/quote]

Why not?

I don't see it being a problem.. just fun for the audience.
Message: Posted by: espmagic (Feb 18, 2016 02:50PM)
Danny Kazam - I agree, as a retail product. But how often have we walked into a brick-and-mortar store, and been told that we are buying the "secret" to the effect, and once purchased it cannot be undone?

Lee
Message: Posted by: videoman (Feb 18, 2016 03:37PM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2016, espmagic wrote:
Danny Kazam - I agree, as a retail product. But how often have we walked into a brick-and-mortar store, and been told that we are buying the "secret" to the effect, and once purchased it cannot be undone?

Lee [/quote]

Many online shops will accept returns. I've returned many, many things to Penguin with no questions asked for example.
I believe the saying that "you're buying the secret" went out with the last century.

If your B&M shop refuses a return for this reason, simply explain to them that you will take your business elsewhere until they change their policy, and now with the internet you can actually do that and they know it. It isn't difficult for the shop owners to quickly realize anyone who may be taking advantage of the system.
Not sure why in this day and age,I hear so many magicians saying that such and such new effect wound up in their drawer. If it doesn't work or had misleading advertising, or yes, even if it just doesn't suit your needs, then return it. Don't understand why magic effects seem to be treated differently than every other product we buy.

Hopefully, if dealers receive enough returns on certain items it will also cut down on them selling as many unworkable, TV only effects, which are advertised in misleading ways.
Message: Posted by: Ashton (Feb 18, 2016 05:29PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, mysticalsales wrote:
If the spectator's card needs to be covered with another card to retrieve the info before the performer writes the prediction than this indeed is misleading.
If it's something that the spectator indeed sees in the routine than in my opinion the only reason to omit it from the "Full Performance" video is to fool the potential customer that would want to buy it based what is seen. Just my 2 cents. [/quote]

All you say is quite correct. [/quote]

This is disappointing to me. Just my opinion, but I strongly dislike when the promotional video is edited, altering what the spectator sees. Especially if the only reason the video was edited was to fool me, the person considering buying the effect.
Message: Posted by: Ashton (Feb 18, 2016 05:30PM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, mysticalsales wrote:
If the spectator's card needs to be covered with another card to retrieve the info before the performer writes the prediction than this indeed is misleading.
If it's something that the spectator indeed sees in the routine than in my opinion the only reason to omit it from the "Full Performance" video is to fool the potential customer that would want to buy it based what is seen. Just my 2 cents. [/quote]

All you say is quite correct. [/quote]

This is disappointing to me. Just my opinion, but I strongly dislike when the promotional video is edited, altering what the spectator sees. Especially if the only reason the video was edited was to fool me, the person considering buying the effect, by leaving out a segment of how the effect appears to a spectator. I understand there are times when the video has to be edited to prevent revealing the method. That does not appear to be the case in this situation.
Message: Posted by: magicbrady (Feb 18, 2016 08:37PM)
I also wish we could see an uncut performance. My guess is that this is Psypher-ish, but with a different material. Is there anything that I can do with this that I can't already do in a similar fashion with Psypher?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 18, 2016 09:01PM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2016, magicbrady wrote:
I also wish we could see an uncut performance. My guess is that this is Psypher-ish, but with a different material. Is there anything that I can do with this that I can't already do in a similar fashion with Psypher? [/quote]

That is totally wrong.

It is not at ALL Psypher-ish. This is from a fan of Psypher but Steam is far better.

When showed & taught the nuances of Steam last Oct to Jeff McBride, Eugene, Larry Hass and Ross Johnson + a class of 18 mentalists - all were blown to smithereens.

NO BS. It is very very good.

PH IMO was dumb to leave out one important part as there was really no reason to hide it.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 18, 2016 09:34PM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2016, saysold1 wrote:

[b]PH IMO was dumb to leave out one important part as there was really no reason to hide it.[/b] [/quote]

Exactly.

STEAM 2.0 is a revamped effect and hence PH & Team should have realized that the users of STEAM 1.0 would have quickly caught the glaring discrepancy in the demo vid of 2.0. And that is exactly what has happened. After the disclosure, PH & Team have gone completely mum.

:xmas:
P.S. It's an age old fact that the magic creators/distributors make their living and thrives on bluffing/fooling their own clan - It's in our blood to deceive our own clan.
Message: Posted by: magicbrady (Feb 19, 2016 12:15AM)
Saysold1, I guess the real question is, do you think it makes sense to buy both? I have Psypher and also Bobby Mottas informant. I like them both for different reasons. Do you think it would be overkill to buy this as well? Or would you say that they compliment each other in some way?
Message: Posted by: grahambu (Feb 19, 2016 06:01AM)
I pre-ordered this from MOM on the basis of the demo video. I have just received it and spent a happy morning playing with it. You could say that the demo is misleading in the sense that it misses out some necessary parts of the routine but the explanation and routines supplied give several ways of incorporating the necessary moves with proper logic. I am happy with routines and the materials supplied and so far they have passed the "long-suffering wife" test. I didn't have STEAM 1.0 so can't comment on what's new etc. What I can say is I don't feel duped in any way and can see all sorts of possibilities with a clever and well presented product.
Message: Posted by: JoelDickinson (Feb 19, 2016 06:08AM)
Truth is it is edited but all of the parts missing are easily placed, just look at the cut position. Is it unfair, on one of the performances it is because they try to portray a much cleaner effect than in reality however it is still a very clever handling and if it's up your street then it is a top notch peek method.
Joel
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Feb 19, 2016 08:29AM)
Given Steam 1.0 was a hit, I am considering Steam 2.0. I do not have Steam 1.0 but I wanted to make sure that the revamped version will give me all the necessary details to make my own or adapt it to different things. I just hate to see this being more of a 'secret upgrade' of some sorts that will require me to purchase refills (and the refills being the only way to perform it). Clearly, Steam 1.0 owners can source what is necessary. Is it confirmed that Steam 2.0 will give the same luxury? I did not see a definitive statement in this thread so far (though I might have missed it). From the ad, it only talks about refills being available in the near future.

Hopefully someone will chime in on this matter.
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Feb 19, 2016 08:34AM)
I'm pretty close to taking the plunge on this one...

Or am I better off buying version 1 to save a little money ? :)
Message: Posted by: jtbmagic (Feb 19, 2016 08:41AM)
I received this today. I was unfamiliar with the steam principle but it is rather genius. As a mentalist tool it is a great addition to obtain information from a spectator. I fully understand why certain 'steps' were not included on the promotional video, yet I still feel this is a very strong effect that I will be including in my repertoire. I do wonder however if 'refills' will be made available, Im sure I could find the materials myself but I'm typically quite lazy!
Message: Posted by: jtbmagic (Feb 19, 2016 08:44AM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, ash2arani wrote:
Given Steam 1.0 was a hit, I am considering Steam 2.0. I do not have Steam 1.0 but I wanted to make sure that the revamped version will give me all the necessary details to make my own or adapt it to different things. I just hate to see this being more of a 'secret upgrade' of some sorts that will require me to purchase refills (and the refills being the only way to perform it). Clearly, Steam 1.0 owners can source what is necessary. Is it confirmed that Steam 2.0 will give the same luxury? I did not see a definitive statement in this thread so far (though I might have missed it). From the ad, it only talks about refills being available in the near future.

Hopefully someone will chime in on this matter. [/quote]

You receive everything (and more!) that will allow you to perform STEAM straight out of the box with no need to purchase anything else :) However you will obviously 'run out' at some point but the materials should be easy enough to obtain. I'd rather they sold refills though purely for simplicity reasons.
Message: Posted by: Atreyu (Feb 19, 2016 09:01AM)
I received this item too this morning from MOM and had not known the principle before, I believe this re-release brings an old principle to a fresh audience who may not have encountered it before. Regarding the cut of the video, I believe it made the whole effect appear a lot cleaner, but I don't feel that I have been misled as there are other handlings provided that do away with this unecessary move. The envelope used is just one idea, Steam can be incorporated into many every day items.
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Feb 19, 2016 09:06AM)
No that it truly matters but I've been noticing a lot of new users lately haha

Welcome to the Café!

Just something odd I've never noticed as much before
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 19, 2016 09:26AM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, magicbrady wrote:
Saysold1, I guess the real question is, do you think it makes sense to buy both? I have Psypher and also Bobby Mottas informant. I like them both for different reasons. Do you think it would be overkill to buy this as well? Or would you say that they compliment each other in some way? [/quote]

I have used psypher for more than 7 years and I also own informant.

Steam is worth owning as its a whole different animal.

Refills are not needed - unless you guys want to pay some crazy mark-up on easy to locate off the shelf items. I would be curious as to whether Steam 2 includes recommendations on what to buy as that would be a nice touch for purchasers.

If not then I'm sure purchasers will figure it out.

Steam is dependent on:

1. All the items used working correctly together in harmony. That's a good reason in itself to invest in 2.0

2. Temp - ambient room or outdoor. Always be aware of the environment you are in.

3. Performer knowledge in the time needed to get what you need - and how long you have after the "fuse" is lit

The IMp you get will be lovely. And hands off.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Feb 19, 2016 09:41AM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, jtbmagic wrote:
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, ash2arani wrote:
Given Steam 1.0 was a hit, I am considering Steam 2.0. I do not have Steam 1.0 but I wanted to make sure that the revamped version will give me all the necessary details to make my own or adapt it to different things. I just hate to see this being more of a 'secret upgrade' of some sorts that will require me to purchase refills (and the refills being the only way to perform it). Clearly, Steam 1.0 owners can source what is necessary. Is it confirmed that Steam 2.0 will give the same luxury? I did not see a definitive statement in this thread so far (though I might have missed it). From the ad, it only talks about refills being available in the near future.

Hopefully someone will chime in on this matter. [/quote]

You receive everything (and more!) that will allow you to perform STEAM straight out of the box with no need to purchase anything else :) However you will obviously 'run out' at some point but the materials should be easy enough to obtain. I'd rather they sold refills though purely for simplicity reasons. [/quote]

Thank you very much for the reply. I think I will invest in this really soon :D
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Feb 19, 2016 11:42AM)
Received mine this morning and can honestly say this is brilliant
Having purchased Ghost a long time ago and been totally disappointed with it this is a breath of fresh air
Some great suggested routines explained and everything you need to do this straight out of the box (and plenty of everything you need to do this over and over)
If your not sure I can only say you WILL NOT be disappointed
This really is a worker I really cannot praise it highly enough
Message: Posted by: Robb (Feb 19, 2016 11:46AM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, magicbrady wrote:
Saysold1, I guess the real question is, do you think it makes sense to buy both? I have Psypher and also Bobby Mottas informant. I like them both for different reasons. Do you think it would be overkill to buy this as well? Or would you say that they compliment each other in some way? [/quote]

The Steam method is unique and very different from how Informant or Psypher work. In some ways cleaner, in some ways not. I would personally not use two of any of these methods in a set... Having someone write something and revealing it more than once in a set makes little sense for me so I would only use one of the methods at a time. Each is appropriate to a specific routine or performance "mode"... To me Steam is the most specific of the bunch as you need GOOD motivation for what you must do for it to work.
Message: Posted by: bsmith (Feb 19, 2016 11:47AM)
To add to the value of this already brilliant effect, the cards provided work extremely well with Bobby Motta's Blackmail envelopes.
Message: Posted by: VanishingInc (Feb 19, 2016 12:38PM)
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6FAvrFuf9E]Steam 2.0[/url] is fantastic and I can't suggest it enough.

Here's a Q&A video I did to answer some questions people had.

[youtube]g6FAvrFuf9E[/youtube]

Let me know if you have anymore questions

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Feb 19, 2016 02:14PM)
I think this is a great concept (I don't have the product yet so don't want to comment on it specifically), so I'm not sure why the marketing is going out of it's way to mislead people about the procedure.

This Q&A seems intent on perpetuating the misleading "The magician never touches ANYTHING." falsehood.

I know that's not what Kyle says, but come on, saying that the trailer doesn't cut out any dirty work and that once the spectator puts their hand on it the magician never touches it again, Kyle is going out of his way to perpetuate that the magician doesn't touch anything and to not say that something is put on top of what is written on and that the magician retrieves that thing which is on top.

The marketing for this product (and this Q&Q) is going out of it's way to make it seem like the procedure is

1) The magician hands the spectator something.
2) The spectator writes on it.

4) The spectator covers it with their hand.

6) The magician reveals what was written.

While leaving out these steps:

3) The spectator takes something and puts it on top of what was written on.
5) The magician retrieves the item which was placed on top.


It's disappointing that just a couple of weeks ago, Jay and Andi said

"We want to eliminate these deceptive trailers."
and
"Who cares if a trailer isn't as deceptive because we haven't edited out some moves."

and then they go and do this.
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Feb 19, 2016 03:09PM)
The props look great, nice size marker. There is still the problem that one item that is used for cannot be examined.
Message: Posted by: Platt (Feb 19, 2016 03:23PM)
Kyle, what I love about your segments is that you give full uncut performances. Could you do that for Steam 2.0? If not, why? It's almost becoming a joke that this 'perfect' effect isn't perfect enough to show in its entirety. Kyle you claim that the video is fair and nothing is cut from it. You claim that the moment the magician puts his hand over it, that's it. You have to know that comment is misleading and why it is misleading. If you don't, let me explain with a simple 1, 2, 3 equation:

1. We can all agree the effect here can be done with many methods that require "something" to be done.
2. Steam 2.0 is boldly claiming to be cleaner than all those other tricks that require "something" and even calls out those "somethings" (ripping cards, etc...)
3. The description and demo refuse to even acknowledge, let alone show, that Steam 2.0 has a "something." So how is one to judge one "something" against another "something" when you refuse to even acknowledge there's a "something" to begin with?

Conclusion: You can't judge Steam 2.0 against other methods because you unfairly left out the method that either makes it cleaner or less clean in the mind of the purchaser. Now that would be ok if you acknowledged that you're leaving that "something" out. But you don't! You don't say a single word suggesting "something" has to be done. How is that fair? To those who are thinking "buy it or don't Platt," I'm barking here on pure principle. As a fellow inventor, I find this egregiously misleading and it's setting an awful precedent. Kyle, I know this isn't your effect, but your video is supporting a very misleading practice. And given the prior comments on video demos from Vanishing Inc, it's hypocritical of them to say the least. To Paul Harris, Kyle and all of the other people unfairly representing this product, a touch of honesty would go a long way guys. While it kills to me purchase this, I'd do it just to provide our community with an honest representation of what this is.



[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, VanishingInc wrote:
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6FAvrFuf9E]Steam 2.0[/url] is fantastic and I can't suggest it enough.

Here's a Q&A video I did to answer some questions people had.

[youtube]g6FAvrFuf9E[/youtube]

Let me know if you have anymore questions

-Kyle [/quote]
Message: Posted by: VanishingInc (Feb 19, 2016 03:27PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, barts185 wrote:
I think this is a great concept (I don't have the product yet so don't want to comment on it specifically), so I'm not sure why the marketing is going out of it's way to mislead people about the procedure.

This Q&A seems intent on perpetuating the misleading "The magician never touches ANYTHING." falsehood.

I know that's not what Kyle says, but come on, saying that the trailer doesn't cut out any dirty work and that once the spectator puts their hand on it the magician never touches it again, Kyle is going out of his way to perpetuate that the magician doesn't touch anything and to not say that something is put on top of what is written on and that the magician retrieves that thing which is on top.

The marketing for this product (and this Q&Q) is going out of it's way to make it seem like the procedure is

1) The magician hands the spectator something.
2) The spectator writes on it.

4) The spectator covers it with their hand.

6) The magician reveals what was written.

While leaving out these steps:

3) The spectator takes something and puts it on top of what was written on.
5) The magician retrieves the item which was placed on top.


It's disappointing that just a couple of weeks ago, Jay and Andi said

"We want to eliminate these deceptive trailers."
and
"Who cares if a trailer isn't as deceptive because we haven't edited out some moves."

and then they go and do this. [/quote]


Hey Bart!

Thanks for your notes and I totally understand what you're saying and I'm sorry if I was misleading as you are correct our goal is to be completely honest. Maybe I wasn't clear in my Q&A, when I said the magician never touches anything once written I meant the card which has been written on, which is true.

Which is why I also mentioned the center tear because most mind reading effects like this the magician needs to touch the card that was written on to get the information. It is correct that the magician never touches the card which I believe is what I said.

Yet again, I see your point and that wasn't my intention.

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: VanishingInc (Feb 19, 2016 04:29PM)
Hey guys

Here is a full performance. Unfortunately I had no one to perform it for so it's direct to the camera.

[youtube]0mmERDfqjl4[/youtube]

-Kyle
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 19, 2016 04:55PM)
Hmmm don't care much for that particular method as the performer Kyle is essentially scribbling over the actual imp - kinda meh.

Who came up with that?

Is that what Bro Gilbert teaches on the DVD?

I'm sure whoever came up with it will brag about killing the evidence - but it is inelegant IMO.

Also the peek seems at the wrong time.

To me the cleanest is to use a simple small memo pad available at any Walgreens. You could then even have the spectator hand the pad back to you. You can then have all the time in the world to get what you need and even use the pad to write what you are receiving.

The key word is isolation.

For this project they perhaps should have brought in someone with a deep understanding of mentalism ideas.

But thank you Kyle for showing an unedited performance.
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Feb 19, 2016 04:59PM)
An interesting way to do it.
Message: Posted by: brandon90 (Feb 19, 2016 05:02PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
Hmmm don't care much for that particular method as the performer Kyle is essentially scribbling over the actual imp - kinda meh.

Who came up with that?

Is that what Bro Gilbert teaches on the DVD?

I'm sure whoever came up with it will brag about killing the evidence - but it is inelegant IMO.

Also the peek seems at the wrong time.

To me the cleanest is to use a simple small memo pad available at any Walgreens. You could then even have the spectator hand the pad back to you. You can then have all the time in the world to get what you need and even use the pad to write what you are receiving.

The key word is isolation.

For this project they perhaps should have brought in someone with a deep understanding of mentalism ideas.

But thank you Kyle for showing an unedited performance. [/quote]

Saysold;

As I trust your opinion 100%

Did you mention earlier in this thread that you prefer Psypher?

I don't own any Impression devices by the way, I'm curious to jump on the bandwagon tho.

brandon
Message: Posted by: dj (Feb 19, 2016 05:27PM)
The Mentalist Chester Sass from Germany has released in 2010 a routine called the "What if ...?"
It is based on the Steam principle.
With Chester´s routine you get the script, business card holder (aluminum), "What If ...?" business cards and much gimmicks.
Chester Sass used no envelopes (as in the Steam 2.0), but business card holder.
I hope I didn´t reveal too much.
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Feb 19, 2016 05:38PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
Hmmm don't care much for that particular method as the performer Kyle is essentially scribbling over the actual imp - kinda meh.

Who came up with that?

Is that what Bro Gilbert teaches on the DVD?

I'm sure whoever came up with it will brag about killing the evidence - but it is inelegant IMO.

Also the peek seems at the wrong time.

To me the cleanest is to use a simple small memo pad available at any Walgreens. You could then even have the spectator hand the pad back to you. You can then have all the time in the world to get what you need and even use the pad to write what you are receiving.

The key word is isolation.

For this project they perhaps should have brought in someone with a deep understanding of mentalism ideas.

But thank you Kyle for showing an unedited performance. [/quote]

Writing over the imp is how they can claim that you don't ditch anything and wind up 100% clean. When I first heard that, I thought it was a mistake and then figured that's what they had to do.

At least that's my guess.
Message: Posted by: Platt (Feb 19, 2016 05:40PM)
Thanks Kyle! That's great. Now we can fairly compare moves/dirty work and make an informed decision on if this is right for us. I like it, and think it has a place next to Billets, NW and electronic methods. Thank you again. I'll buy it from vanishing inc because they're the first and only company to give an honest demo. Nice work, man.


[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, VanishingInc wrote:
Hey guys

Here is a full performance. Unfortunately I had no one to perform it for so it's direct to the camera.

[youtube]0mmERDfqjl4[/youtube]

-Kyle [/quote]
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Feb 19, 2016 06:00PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, VanishingInc wrote:
Hey guys

Here is a full performance. Unfortunately I had no one to perform it for so it's direct to the camera.

[youtube]0mmERDfqjl4[/youtube]

-Kyle [/quote]


It seems like it was just a bad coincidence, but after the trailer deliberately left out the part about something being put on top (and people mentioning that it was left out) and then your Q&A leaving that out as well, you seem to have understood (based on your comments above) why it seemed like it was deliberate even though it wasn't.

Thanks for providing a full performance for people to see.
Message: Posted by: Krazyjay (Feb 19, 2016 06:12PM)
I don't understand why some people are making a big deal about the trailer. Maybe because I know how it's done. I'm glad that those some people didn't get this when it was a french ad, and written instructions. Everything in the trailer and performance is justified. The way I use it, I have them write a card they are thinking ofdown and then I have them place the deck on top of what they wrote. The "reason" so you don't think I can see through the card.

I have no doubt that once you find out the method, you will love it. But then again I'm sure some people are going to complain about not being able to use a pen or a pencil. So stop acting like babies.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 19, 2016 06:23PM)
No one is acting like a baby, they're asking fair questions...

on the subject of justification...i have a question...

in the real world, at what point would you have something secret hidden safely away inside an envelope, but then take it out of the envelope, and then rest it on top? and then, when there's proof that you have something else papery to write on (the card inside the envelope) its not a huge jump to think that you could easily carry two of those things inside the same envelope is it?

so for me, its an illogical use of an everyday object...if I have something secret written down, I wouldn't put it on the table and cover it with an envelope - I'd put the thing inside the envelope...its pretty much the ONLY use for an envelope! (maybe as a big for a very small child? fold the flap back and tuck it into their top?)...

not knocking the method - just I think the premise of the envelope doesn't work logically...
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 19, 2016 07:08PM)
Exactly.

They should have had a mentalist do the DVD.

Me? I just have the spectator or me put the pad top on the face down card etc to isolate.

Also to be clear I like steam more than psypher because it is so friggin cool.
Message: Posted by: Krazyjay (Feb 19, 2016 07:21PM)
My rant was about people who complained about them editing out replacing the envelope on top. I personally don't like that presentation. You don't have to use envelopes, you can place anything on top, a book, deck of cards, pad of papper.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 19, 2016 07:31PM)
I know you can do that...

however, its one of the routines they are including in with the package, so that's why its part of the discussion...

and yes, as Kyle has demonstrated, they could have (and probably should have) kept it in their original trailer too...its not like they have to show anything else afterwards, just the bit leading up to the important stuff...

i have the original, it works well enough - people just want a fair baseline in which to make a judgement call...that's all...(in this case, sometimes people get waaaaaaaaaay out of line)...

in the spiel for this release, they focus on the pointlessness of b*ll*t p**ks and wallets and so on, saying how you have to do certain things with it to make it work, mix those comments in with the editing of the vid - its a little bit of a double standard...because you have to 'something' to make this work too! and putting an empty envelope on top of a card, and then writing on an envelope is illogical (captain)...

which detracts from the goodness within the steam method...
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 19, 2016 07:36PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, saysold1 wrote:

* Hmmm don't care much for that particular method as the performer [b]Kyle is essentially scribbling over the actual imp[/b] - kinda meh.

* I'm sure whoever came up with it will brag about killing the evidence - but it is inelegant IMO.
[/quote]

Kyle could have handled this better by using another normal Sharpie with a broad tip (say chisel tip) and not use the one by the spectator. This would help prolong the life of the special Sharpie as well as make it much easy to cover the impression quickly & easily with just a single stroke of the broad tip Sharpie.

My thoughts! ;)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Krazyjay (Feb 19, 2016 07:50PM)
Exactly the reason for my rant.

[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, IAIN wrote:
(in this case, sometimes people get waaaaaaaaaay out of line)...

in the spiel for this release, they focus on the pointlessness of b*ll*t p**ks and wallets and so on, saying how you have to do certain things with it to make it work, mix those comments in with the editing of the vid - its a little bit of a double standard...because you have to 'something' to make this work too! and putting an empty envelope on top of a card, and then writing on an envelope is illogical (captain)...

which detracts from the goodness within the steam method... [/quote]
Message: Posted by: videoman (Feb 19, 2016 08:57PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, Krazyjay wrote:
I don't understand why some people are making a big deal about the trailer. Maybe because I know how it's done. [/quote]

Uh, yeah..I think already knowing how it's done makes a huge, gigantic, enormous difference.
C'mon now, take a deep breath and relax and don't get Krazy jay.
Message: Posted by: Zuke (Feb 19, 2016 11:44PM)
Write on this card, put this envelope over the top, put your hands on top...let's wait a few seconds...now I'll take the envelope back and write something remarkably similar to yours.

...and you're saying that method is more streamlined than simply glimpsing an imp pad as you place it away? IMO even a CT is more straight forward.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Feb 20, 2016 01:58AM)
I'll be buying this as I've heard about the principle and it sounds interesting. But I do get why people get annoyed when peaks are pitched as cleaner than they are. Lets face it; we all have pads, wallets etc etc but they typically have that downside that you have to touch the card, the pad or whatever, so the differentiator is often that lack of touch. That said; I think its fair to say that unless you buy a top end product which will remain nameless; chances are you will need to touch the pad, the billet, the card or something associated with the procedure.
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Feb 20, 2016 03:29AM)
Quote from Saysold1

To me the cleanest is to use a simple small memo pad available at any Walgreens. You could then even have the spectator hand the pad back to you. You can then have all the time in the world to get what you need and even use the pad to write what you are receiving.

I do something similar and I end up clean after using the pad,the pad method is the best way by far and I struggle to see a better method with this Steam 2.0 to tell you the truth and that is the reason I have not invested in it because the first one with a little imagination just ticks all the box's.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Feb 20, 2016 03:30AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2016, Zuke wrote:
Write on this card, put this envelope over the top, put your hands on top...let's wait a few seconds...now I'll take the envelope back and write something remarkably similar to yours.

...and you're saying that method is more streamlined than simply glimpsing an imp pad as you place it away? IMO even a CT is more straight forward. [/quote]

It is really unfortunate that they are portraying this principle this way. One can come up with quite a few other justifications that make sense.

Even the demo of Kyle while to the point is rather weak. I hope the other routines are better. The routine I saw of Steam V1 with money bills (in this thread) is actually killer and makes sense.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Feb 20, 2016 03:48AM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hello again. Just wanted to clarify




Regarding the video demo. It's always a tough call on these things. In this case we edited around an innocent subtlety that would mean nothing to a spectator. But on the Café it would likely inspire the typical 20 questions scenario that leads to public exposure of the beautiful method.


This may be a futile attempt to protect the secret..but we are trying our best to honor the method and the creators as well as the magi who are trying to make an informed decision.



Janet Harris [/quote]

So this misleading Demo has resulted in 45 Posts

Yes 45 Posts !

Also lets not forget Steam has already been shown unedited on Penn and Teller Fool Us
It never attracted any comments from Penn at All

This Demo has done more harm than good

Let's hope that all producers have now got the message

If you can't post a clear unedited Demo

Then don't post one at all
Message: Posted by: Ashton (Feb 20, 2016 06:42AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2016, Zuke wrote:
Write on this card, put this envelope over the top, put your hands on top...let's wait a few seconds...now I'll take the envelope back and write something remarkably similar to yours.

...and you're saying that method is more streamlined than simply glimpsing an imp pad as you place it away? IMO even a CT is more straight forward. [/quote]

That's how I feel as well. What real advantage does this have over a CT, a standard billet p**k or a s***ch? Sure the method is different but because the performer has to go back and put something on top of the spectator's face down card, then take it away, I'm not really sure it's a better way to get the information than other classic ways I already know.
Message: Posted by: Ashton (Feb 20, 2016 07:17AM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hello again. Just wanted to clarify

Regarding the video demo. It's always a tough call on these things. In this case we edited around an innocent subtlety that would mean nothing to a spectator. But on the Café it would likely inspire the typical 20 questions scenario that leads to public exposure of the beautiful method.

This may be a futile attempt to protect the secret..but we are trying our best to honor the method and the creators as well as the magi who are trying to make an informed decision.

Janet Harris [/quote]

I do not consider leaving out the part where the performer has to put something on top of the spectator's face down card, then take it away in order to know what is written an innocent subtlety. Leaving that part out completely changes the perception of the effect - to the person considering buying it.

When I watched the demo video, I got the impression, right or wrong, that once the spectator wrote their information on the card, and placed the card face down, I would not even have to go near their card to know what they wrote. I understand the video did not say that, but that is the impression I had from watching the video. And that's clearly not the case.

When a seller edits out pieces of a performance in a promotional video, it opens the door to misperception and misunderstanding in the mind of the person considering making a purchase.

When I consider buying an effect, I want to see it performed exactly the way the spectator would see it. If a seller can't provide a video showing the full performance because doing do would expose the secret, then don't make a video at all. A detailed written description is better than an edited video that may create misperception and misunderstanding.
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Feb 20, 2016 09:03AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2016, Ashton wrote:
If a seller can't provide a video showing the full performance because doing do would expose the secret, then don't make a video at all. A detailed written description is better than an edited video that may create misperception and misunderstanding. [/quote]

Plus 1
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 20, 2016 09:41AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2016, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Feb 10, 2016, PHSIS wrote:
Hello again. Just wanted to clarify




Regarding the video demo. It's always a tough call on these things. In this case we edited around an innocent subtlety that would mean nothing to a spectator. But on the Café it would likely inspire the typical 20 questions scenario that leads to public exposure of the beautiful method.


This may be a futile attempt to protect the secret..but we are trying our best to honor the method and the creators as well as the magi who are trying to make an informed decision.



Janet Harris [/quote]

So this misleading Demo has resulted in 45 Posts

Yes 45 Posts !

Also lets not forget Steam has already been shown unedited on Penn and Teller Fool Us
It never attracted any comments from Penn at All

This Demo has done more harm than good

Let's hope that all producers have now got the message

If you can't post a clear unedited Demo

Then don't post one at all [/quote]

Who created the demo video?

Was it Titanas?
Message: Posted by: VanishingInc (Feb 20, 2016 10:58AM)
I think It's important to mention that what I showed in the video was only one of multiple routines taught and that you can do all kinds of other things that don't require you to use the envelope at all. It is more of a "kit" with some really awesome thinking from our creative team. It also comes with a pad of something else that you can adapt to bills, cell phones card boxes etc too.

Which means that you don't always have to place the envelope on top.


-Kyle
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 20, 2016 11:12AM)
STEAM is a utility tool/device for getting what you need.
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Feb 20, 2016 11:54AM)
I'm not so worried about demo videos. No laypeople watch them. They are too busy trying to keep up with the Kardashians.

I have most every IMP device, and I would say that this is WAY powerful in the right setting. This is one of my top three favorites. I agree with saysold1 that a pad is powerful. I also really like The Blind Man's Wallet. I also like some very impromptu methods, like simply a stack of ungimmicked business cards and some sleight of hand.

There are many ways of performing with this tool. I think one of the strongest routines is the one with money. You are not writing on the IMP device.

KJ
Message: Posted by: Bondi (Feb 20, 2016 01:02PM)
This is a really great purchase,you have everything you need,easy to do,some routines are better than others,this certainly gets your mind thinking of what can be done.I also love the money and red herring routine,excellent.
Message: Posted by: magicbrady (Feb 20, 2016 01:39PM)
It sounds like the method is really cool. I get that. What I'm wondering... what can I do with this that I can't already do with Psypher or with The Informant? If I didn't already own them, this would be in my cart now. Just seems like it would be another vehicle to get me to the same place. Does it offer something different? Like is this used in a different setting or something?
Message: Posted by: magic in mind (Feb 20, 2016 06:50PM)
I'm going to ad my two pence worth.Steam has been underground for many years.It was hard to get hold of at one point.I managed to find a seller in uk full 52.It was unheard of by many till penn and teller then the Café buzzed about it.Alakazam put a product out that may or may have not been similar.I'm a bit sad that it's hit the major magic shops,as no doubt some 14 year old will show it off on utube.
Then all other methods whether electronic or parapads etc will be put down as steam.Steam is awesome unique and when you get it you'll come up with a zillion ways to use it.Some Café member put out 3 manuscripts on ways of using it.steam 2.0 offers nothing new apart from the blue is now white.But we already new ages ago what we needed to buy to make it less inspicuos.It's all about certain properties of certain materials.I love steam it's so different and when you do it it's like wow how on earth was that discovered.Best use of steam for me was doing a magic aka mathematical square finding out what you need and making the square.As your writing the numbers you say these are the most common thought of numbers but yours is... of course it's wrong but you then show all numbers add up to theirs.The old version had the spec staple their drawing etc in this improvised "envelope " but most of us made our own envelopes. With a bit of thinking it doesn't matter if it's put face up or down. I used it like this.....have number written down whilst you faced away.Sealed in envelope you took it and put it between both palms head still turned(as if your doing psychometry).Drop back onto table still not looking at it.You then bring both hands up to your head like your getting something and you are quite literally! ! Job done.Hands into pockets to get marker and your off.Hands were a little tacky but was my last effect so..What it isn't is a new sleight it's more like real magic still for me even after all the time I've had it.
Please don't buy steam let's keep it underground.
Message: Posted by: magic in mind (Feb 20, 2016 08:00PM)
In short you don't peek or rip or swap out anything.There's an envelope that's sealed you never look at but you can find out the contents.By in my case never looking at it but just holding it between my hands with head still turned.No you can't see through envelope or any slits it's sealed.Spectator can take envelope still sealed home.Again don't buy it you won't like it it's not for you.Stick with your centre tears
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Feb 20, 2016 09:25PM)
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how Steam is better than Psypher. Using Psypher, you can get the spectator to write down the information on a piece of paper and have them tear off the sheet. They can even look at the next sheet or two after the one they tear off theirs and see that there is no impression. The magician can then take the notepad back in the action of putting it away, quickly obtain the information needed. There is no reason to worry about ambient temperature or any such thing and there is no reason to cover the spectators paper with anything and then take it back. Both methods rely on a certain sharpie and enough ambient light to obtain the information. Psypher can be set up so that any information obtained can be erased, not that it really needs to be.

Again, just my humble opinion, your mileage may vary. Interested to hear your thoughts?

[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
Exactly.

They should have had a mentalist do the DVD.

Me? I just have the spectator or me put the pad top on the face down card etc to isolate.

Also to be clear I like steam more than psypher because it is so friggin cool. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Feb 20, 2016 09:44PM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2016, Kaliix wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how Steam is better than Psypher. Using Psypher, you can get the spectator to write down the information on a piece of paper and have them tear off the sheet. They can even look at the next sheet or two after the one they tear off theirs and see that there is no impression. The magician can then take the notepad back in the action of putting it away, quickly obtain the information needed. There is no reason to worry about ambient temperature or any such thing and there is no reason to cover the spectators paper with anything and then take it back. Both methods rely on a certain sharpie and enough ambient light to obtain the information. Psypher can be set up so that any information obtained can be erased, not that it really needs to be.

Again, just my humble opinion, your mileage may vary. Interested to hear your thoughts?

[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
Exactly.

They should have had a mentalist do the DVD.

Me? I just have the spectator or me put the pad top on the face down card etc to isolate.

Also to be clear I like steam more than psypher because it is so friggin cool. [/quote] [/quote]

The main difference is with Psypher they are writing on top of something you retrieve. Laymen are aware of things like carbon paper so it's not hard to make that logical jump. Steam works "backwards", so the logical connection just isn't there and is far more deceptive in my opinion
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 20, 2016 11:24PM)
I like psypher.

The imp with psypher can be kinda light at times.

The imp with steam is like the difference between HD and regular tv. Steam is HD - and it beats psypher IMO for clarity. It's also hands off - you never touch what they write on.

Ok I'm checking out.
Message: Posted by: chrismatt (Feb 21, 2016 12:00AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2016, magic in mind wrote:
Some Café member put out 3 manuscripts on ways of using it.[/quote]

I was that Café member and the year was 2010. The history concerning my discovery and use of the principle is described in detail in those manuscripts, which were sold to a limited number of mentalists with their promise not to discuss or review the contents therein.

German mentalist Chester Sass and I corresponded that year after he received a copy of one of my three manuscripts. He seemed quite enthusiastic about it, even though he also had independently come up with the same underlying principle. The late Dick Christian also seemed quite enthusiastic when, years ago, I wrote to him about my [i]Sub Rosa Book Test[/i] ideas. I have a note from him that reads, in part, “Meanwhile, yes, your description of how you use Sub Rosa...IS a very practical method that is unlikely to be detected. The fact that Sub Rosa obviates the need for any writing to be done using the book itself as the "desk" is beautiful and, as far as I am aware, something no one else has thought of.”

I could go on and on, but let me say that I am surprised that more work has not been done to develop this beautiful principle. My manuscripts, detailing my work over the past ten years, went in many and varied directions. I am happy to say that, over the years, I've heard back from a few who actually read and applied the information I described. Several of those applications are marvelous!

As a gift to those of you who know the underlying principle, let me describe a simple effect, derived from one of the applications described in my books: S writes down a number on a plain business card, turns it face down and covers it with a salt or pepper shaker. In one presentation, a little pepper is poured into the hand as the S concentrates on her number. Suddenly the pepper starts to "come alive" and forms the very number the S is thinking of! Of course, you never touch the card.

Finally, thanks to those of you who've contacted me about the availability of my manuscripts. It's been six years now since they were published and they are now almost all gone. The "kit" versions contained some very useful material (for example, specially made index cards that worked beautifully with the principle--the marker writing did not bleed through like ordinary, crappy index cards) and loads of the other special material. Of course, rather than be a supplier of this easily obtainable material, I described in my books where anyone could purchase the stuff for cheap.

Good luck!
CM
chrismattx@gmail.com
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 21, 2016 12:46AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2016, saysold1 wrote:

[b]STEAM is a utility tool/device for getting what you need.[/b] [/quote]


[quote]On Feb 20, 2016, 1KJ wrote:

I have most every IMP device, and [b]I would say that this is WAY powerful in the right setting[/b]. [/quote]


[quote]On Feb 21, 2016, chrismatt wrote:

[b]As a gift to those of you who know the underlying principle, let me describe a simple effect, derived from one of the applications described in my books:[/b]

S writes down a number on a plain business card, turns it face down and covers it with a salt or pepper shaker. In one presentation, a little pepper is poured into the hand as the S concentrates on her number. Suddenly the pepper starts to "come alive" and forms the very number the S is thinking of! Of course, you never touch the card.
[/quote]

@ Chrismatt: Very nice routine. Thanks.

With [b]STEAM[/b], your imagination will be the only limiting factor.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Feb 21, 2016 02:50AM)
Wow cool ideas there from Chris Matt,would of loved to of got my hands on a manuscript how did I miss this?.
Message: Posted by: Magic McKing (Feb 21, 2016 10:12AM)
Just got mine. Brilliant! Love every bit of it. There's something missing from the ad though. But after you get it you would understand and I think it's the right thing to do.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Feb 21, 2016 10:31AM)
I can't wait.Mine should be here tomorrow.
Message: Posted by: magic in mind (Feb 21, 2016 10:43AM)
Yep you won't believe that I've had steam for over 5 years and yet mentalist are only just discovering it.I still don't see how a centre tear or imp device is better than steam.you could be in a diff room and have somone put a drawing in envelope.There's no pads to take back.You literally could hold envelope in hands just cover it for a sec with one hand or have it clipped to clipboard or clipped with giant bull dog clip and yet you get to know the contents.The spec can keep their envelope and nothing will reveal itself to them. Penn and teller couldn't figure steam out neither could I neither will your audience.As mentioned folk know about carbon paper but theres no way this can be attributed to this. Whatever you think steam is your wrong.Five years ago I thought it was sci fi stuff.To me it still is.I performed steam to a person who know just about every method out their.There best guess was maybe the ink of the marker had particles in it .Somehow I was able to read through the envelope like braille.
For the record the best imp pad was made by Scott Creasey.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Feb 21, 2016 10:58AM)
Received mine last night. I Watched the instructions and I'm very impressed. I'm a long time steam user as well!
This isn't my review yet in detail as of yet. I'll be doing something early this week to compare the the two. First thoughts I really think this is something great. Getting the info as per the instructional DVD does work very well. I'm a big believer of having many tools in your tool box in getting info. This is another great one that I think many will use. It's up to the performer how you deliver the info! That's the most important part!
It's a great kit that comes with more than enough to get you going for sometime. Creative folks can build this into many items.
Give Cole a call at Hocus-Pocus and get your copy!!
Message: Posted by: Lord*Of*ILLUZION (Feb 21, 2016 09:47PM)
Just got this yesterday. As a first time Steam owner...I absolutely love the Red Herring presentation. Every move is justified (including the covering action). I will combine it with a name/word reveal and then throw in a card blister effect via 3rd degree burn as I am wrapping up my reading. Haven't watched the entire download yet but I am satisfied thus far.

Nadeem
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Feb 22, 2016 11:15AM)
Me (and maybe the other 'old folks' like Stephen Young, saysold1, Artin, Ustaad and chrismatt to just name a few) can only gently smile about the new fuss.
The really shiny golden ideas are not to be found in a video mass product - some of them were only exchanged and refined privately.
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Feb 22, 2016 11:32AM)
As someone who has always been interested in Steam but never pulled the trigger, the new 2.0 release seemed like a good time to jump in so I did.

With 2.0, aside from the materials, etc. it seems that the main addition the PHP team has made is the envelope... it definitely opens the door to some great possibilities and adds to the justification of the props.

While the routines taught are very good (I particularly liked Andrew Gerard's routine), I don't think they fully tap into the potential of this utility. In the right hands, this is super powerful, but my general feeling was that these routines under-utilized the method at play.

My mind is racing and I'll probably sit on this for a while until I discover the right routine for me. With that said, I have no regrets about my purchase and am excited with the potential here- if you're on the fence about this, I would jump off and get it.
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Feb 22, 2016 07:56PM)
Pre-ordered Steam 2.0 on Feb. 9 (well before the release date), but have yet to receive notice from Merchant of Magic (magicshop.uk) that it has shipped...and they have not responded to my email asking for an update. :verysad: Not too happy right now!
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Feb 22, 2016 08:42PM)
I received my Steam 2.0. went the site, entered the passcode. video is there, but it only plays music with the video. Anyone???
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Feb 22, 2016 09:18PM)
Works on my tablet, so no worries. And this thing is awesome!!! Fits my performance style to a tee. Happy camper.
Message: Posted by: Lseeyou (Feb 23, 2016 12:14AM)
Rosariorose9 that's why being in Europe its way better to order from Hocus Pocus! Even less expensive :)

Cole is top :bg:
Message: Posted by: Dominic Reyes (Feb 23, 2016 12:45AM)
[quote]On Feb 22, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
Pre-ordered Steam 2.0 on Feb. 9 (well before the release date), but have yet to receive notice from Merchant of Magic (magicshop.uk) that it has shipped...and they have not responded to my email asking for an update. :verysad: Not too happy right now! [/quote]

Hi Rosariorose
Sorry to hear that. I can't see any outstanding support emails about this on their system, but let's get it fixed for you right away. Can you pm me with your real name and I'll look up your order and send you over the tracking number. All steam 2.0 international orders have dispatched.

There's a lot of advantages with ordering from MoM. For example: You have a full year return guarentee with MoM, so if you watch the tuition video, but decide you won't use Steam, you can send it back any time in the next 12 months. That's in addition to your normal consumer rights. See the site for details.

Hope this helps
Dominic
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Feb 23, 2016 02:41AM)
I really like the concept and I think there is loads you can do with it but I genuinely think its odd to have an envelope and not put the card in it. I mean if you really wanted to hide the card; why wouldn't you use an envelope which is essentially what its designed for. I'm not saying its a deal breaker, but some spectators will be curious in my opinion. That said, I think the red herring routine justifies it more than the others and it is something I'd try. So whilst I love the method; I don't think the envelope is the best application of that method personally and I think there are better ways to get the peak (although none have sprung instantly to mind).

All in all though I think it's cool and I'll definitely try it out.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 23, 2016 09:21AM)
[quote]On Feb 23, 2016, Paul S Wingham wrote:
I really like the concept and I think there is loads you can do with it but I genuinely think its odd to have an envelope and not put the card in it. I mean if you really wanted to hide the card; why wouldn't you use an envelope which is essentially what its designed for. I'm not saying its a deal breaker, but some spectators will be curious in my opinion. That said, I think the red herring routine justifies it more than the others and it is something I'd try. So whilst I love the method; I don't think the envelope is the best application of that method personally and I think there are better ways to get the peak (although none have sprung instantly to mind).

All in all though I think it's cool and I'll definitely try it out. [/quote]

Psych force gives you the perfect reason for bringing out the envelope with the card in it. It also sets up the premise very well for what will occur later on. You don't even need to use the one shown in the instructional video, you can use any of the well known psych forces (or even 3 of them). Doesn't matter if they don't hit either because all you're doing is having the spec read your mind at first (it may even be better presentation-wise to have let's say 3 psych forces and get a hit on only 1 or 2 of them, as this demonstrates the difficulty of the task).
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 23, 2016 09:54AM)
My friend showed me STEAM 2.0.

PH & Team has basically put together all the requisite items/material needed to perform STEAM right out of the box. One shall learn nothing as far as good routine and performance tips are concerned. As for the included envelopes and its use is concerned, Bro Gilbert takes away almost half the time on the video trying to repeatedly and painstakingly justify the use of the envelope. Bro Gilbert's efforts are futile and no sensible mentalist in his right mind set will try the envelope routine on his spectators. IMO the envelope is the most redundant item in the package. On the video the main emphasis has been on the envelope - which was a big disappointment. The so called & talked about Red Herring routine is also just about mediocre.

Besides the envelope routine there are a couple of other routines which are simply touched upon. If one does a search on the Café for 'Steam', one shall find many excellent routines/performance tips/methods on STEAM. Also one shall find the list of most suitable tried and tested material one would need to perform Steam.

IMO STEAM 2.0 is suitable for those who need the requisite material effortlessly on a platter. As for the varied routines and methods are concerned the Café is the best place to look for - one shall learn a lot, I have and so would you. :)

Just my thoughts! ;)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 23, 2016 10:13AM)
[quote]On Feb 23, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
My friend showed me STEAM 2.0.

PH & Team has basically put together all the requisite items/material needed to perform STEAM right out of the box. One shall learn nothing as far as good routine and performance tips are concerned. As for the included envelopes and its use is concerned, Bro Gilbert takes away almost half the time on the video trying to repeatedly and painstakingly justify the use of the envelope. Bro Gilbert's efforts are futile and no sensible mentalist in his right mind set will try the envelope routine on his spectators. IMO the envelope is the most redundant item in the package. On the video the main emphasis has been laid on the envelope - which turned out to be a big disappointment. The so called & talked about Red Herring routine is also just about mediocre.

Besides the envelope routine there are a couple of other routines which are simply touched upon. If one does a search on the Café for 'Steam', one shall find many excellent routines/performance tips/methods on STEAM. Also one shall find the list of most suitable tried and tested material one would need to perform Steam.

IMO STEAM 2.0 is suitable for those who need the requisite material effortlessly on a platter. As for the varied routines and methods are concerned the Café is the best place to look for - one shall learn a lot, I have and so would you. :)

Just my thoughts! ;)

:xmas: [/quote]

The psych force approach more than justifies the envelopes and is also very good presentationally to introduce the plot you are about to demonstrate.

The fortune telling fish approach however, it's fun and plays well, but the psych force approach I found to have more bite for the spectator (you're essentially getting two effects out of it as opposed to just one).
Message: Posted by: AaronishMagic (Feb 23, 2016 10:51AM)
Wow Ustaad you are a tough one to please. Mine arrived and I am quite happy with it. It's ready right out of box. And the method can be easily adapted to any presentation pretty much instantly.
Message: Posted by: Archey (Feb 23, 2016 12:25PM)
I understood the steam principle before I got it as I've got the Ghost Pad but didn't know a great deal about the nuts and bolts of the original Steam. I quite like the envelopes but what really blew my mind was getting the imp whilst the card with the info on was face down! The fact that you could do this might be old news to some but *** it's clever.
The idea of placing the envelope over the card does seem a little weird on paper but if done in an off hand manner I think it'll fly. I've not tried it yet so I could be wrong.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Feb 23, 2016 12:50PM)
[quote]On Feb 23, 2016, AaronishMagic wrote:
Wow Ustaad you are a tough one to please. [/quote]
I guess that's simply because of Ustaasd's broad knowledge and experience.
For anyone who had put ANY own thought before into this mighty concept, the "new" package will of course be far from thrilling at all.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Feb 23, 2016 01:39PM)
I think Ustaad is being a bit more than a little harsh. "one shall learn nothing..." Really. That's just not true. You are provided with excellent material and some very good ideas for routines. This is a utility device and you should be able to come up with your own ideas for presentation. I took a photo of myself this morning, went to Walgreen's Pharmacy and got 4 wallet sized prints for 25 cents each (for the Photo Steam routine). The envelope flew by 2 specs this afternoon and I couldn't have been more pleased. One word of caution (which was mentioned on the video that comes with Steam 2) -- make sure they write large!!! That may be more important than anything.

Preston
Message: Posted by: magicbrady (Feb 23, 2016 03:10PM)
Not sure if it would be giving away too much, but I have a question. The spec writes something down, then you cover it with the envelope or whatever. You do your peek. Does the gimmick remain "dirty" at that point and must be put away? Or, does the impression dissipate leaving you in a clean state? I'm hoping that it fades away somehow.
Message: Posted by: Lseeyou (Feb 23, 2016 03:28PM)
No fade out only fade in :bg:
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 23, 2016 05:20PM)
[quote]On Feb 23, 2016, magicbrady wrote:
Not sure if it would be giving away too much, but I have a question. The spec writes something down, then you cover it with the envelope or whatever. You do your peek. Does the gimmick remain "dirty" at that point and must be put away? Or, does the impression dissipate leaving you in a clean state? I'm hoping that it fades away somehow. [/quote]

Doesn't even matter since what you are peeking is a completely inconsequential object in the eyes of the spectator as long as you justify them sliding it out so that you can take it.

Steam 2.0 is a utility item. Stop thinking of it as a magic trick. There are routines taught in the video but what you are purchasing is a utility item. Do you question if a peek wallet is left "dirty" or not? No. As long as there is adequate justification for the wallet being in play, it's inconsequential.
Message: Posted by: music (Feb 23, 2016 08:36PM)
Why not have a medallion, or trinket or an old picture of grandpa in the envelope, they place their hands over it, you then remove said item hold it in your hands and then reveal. Would this help justify the envelope? (I do not have Steam, just giving a thought)
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 23, 2016 08:56PM)
I've even done it with a shoe to cover - stepping on their face down writing.
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Feb 23, 2016 09:25PM)
[quote]On Feb 23, 2016, jaizon wrote:
I think Ustaad is being a bit more than a little harsh. "one shall learn nothing..." Really. That's just not true. You are provided with excellent material and some very good ideas for routines. This is a utility device and you should be able to come up with your own ideas for presentation. I took a photo of myself this morning, went to Walgreen's Pharmacy and got 4 wallet sized prints for 25 cents each (for the Photo Steam routine). The envelope flew by 2 specs this afternoon and I couldn't have been more pleased. One word of caution (which was mentioned on the video that comes with Steam 2) -- make sure they write large!!! That may be more important than anything.

Preston [/quote]

I agree Preston. There are so many ways to present this. The envelope is just one way. There are a zillion ways that weren't presented in the video. However, one that was, was the bill routine. That routine doesn't use the envelope, is completely justified, and is awesome!

Wait...

I don't know why I'm trying to convince anyone.

Every critic is right. It's terrible. Just forget about it.

Move on.

Nothing to see here.

KJ
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 23, 2016 09:45PM)
[quote]On Feb 23, 2016, jaizon wrote:

[b]This is a utility device and you should be able to come up with your own ideas for presentation.[/b]
[/quote]

You said it! With due respect to Preston, that is exactly what STEAM 2.0 is all about.

All those who have used STEAM 1.0 will agree with me that STEAM 2.0 lacks any good routines. And hence in my opening sentence (in my above post) I said and may I please quote:-

[quote]On Feb 23, 2016, Ustaad wrote:

PH & Team has basically put together all the requisite items/material needed to perform STEAM right out of the box. [b]One shall learn nothing as far as good routine and performance tips are concerned[/b]. [/quote]

Users of Steam 1.0 as well as 2.0 who are interested in learning good routines/methods/performance tips, I would humbly suggest to please checkout:-

1. The Café's Inner Thoughts section.

2. Under Your Own Steam by Stephen Young (Nick on the Café - Stephen Young)

3. Trilogy Manuscript by Christopher Mathewson (Nick on the Café - chrismatt)

4. Mati Envelope by Felix Schellenberg (Nick on the Café - Nicolino)
(Note: The Mati Envelope is a nice utility device)

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Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Feb 23, 2016 11:26PM)
I spent some time today with steam 2.0
Only had a few hours though but I feel this is a nice package for what you pay for! You get a lot.
Steam is one of those utility items folks! You can create great effects with the steam principal. I've been using steam for a long time now as I wrote earlier.
I'm a fan of working out of your pocket. Minimalist Mentalism effect can be a challenge. I think steam 2.0 helps. Like anything in mentalism, " how we get our info is not as important than how the delivery of that info is." Although, steam is one of those methodes when you get the info you can help but chuckle inside. It's nice to feel like James Bond.... I like steam 2.0. I don't see any disconnection if done right.. As ustaad pointed out, there are great threads to read downstairs using this principal.
For 45.00 bucks you get a generous amount of items. Using your creative mind for effects... That's priceless! 😉
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Feb 24, 2016 02:26AM)
I know what Ustaad means though. The teaching is fine, but its not exactly a master class in mentalism; which is fine as I don't think this is mainly aimed at that market. I appreciate the justification for the envelope but I still think some people will think; "why not just put the card in the envelope". I'm sure many wont even think about it. I guess my point is that if "peeking" was new and this was the first method, you'd say to yourself "this is really cool". But its not the only method and as a consequence I think its fair to be a little bit hard on things like this.

I'm not knocking it; I think its a really cool idea and I am definitely going to try it; but I cant see it replacing billet switches and more regular imp pads for me personally. As mentioned before though, I think there is a better way out there than the envelope and the beauty of these big PH presents releases is lots of creative people look at it and it evolves further. As I say though, I think its a solid peek that works.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 24, 2016 02:49AM)
I didn't buy it, but I'm surprised no one has mentioned using it for an alternative method for Tervil...
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 24, 2016 06:50AM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, Paul S Wingham wrote:
I know what Ustaad means though. The teaching is fine, but its not exactly a master class in mentalism; which is fine as I don't think this is mainly aimed at that market. I appreciate the justification for the envelope but I still think some people will think; "why not just put the card in the envelope". I'm sure many wont even think about it. I guess my point is that if "peeking" was new and this was the first method, you'd say to yourself "this is really cool". But its not the only method and as a consequence I think its fair to be a little bit hard on things like this.

I'm not knocking it; I think its a really cool idea and I am definitely going to try it; but I cant see it replacing billet switches and more regular imp pads for me personally. As mentioned before though, I think there is a better way out there than the envelope and the beauty of these big PH presents releases is lots of creative people look at it and it evolves further. As I say though, I think its a solid peek that works. [/quote]

I feel that there is far too much overthinking about the envelope, likely because many people were hoping for what is essentially completely propless mind reading. Think about this though, if one could really read minds, why even have the person write anything down at all? The biggest thing to overcome with writing something down is that specific detail of why one needs to write anything down in the first place. The envelope is really inconsequential as long as you treat it as a afterthought when asking the spec to place the envelope on top of the the card and then their hand on top of both. The biggest thing you need is a justification for getting the envelope back, which is really easy to cover if you either forgot and left something else in the envelope or if you just need something to write/draw on. If you are worried about your audience questioning the envelope, this will likely come across in your performance and thus will actually leave the door open for your audience to question the envelope. So really, stop worrying and just try this out. The biggest issue I've come across has been a person making too elaborate of a drawing or writing too small.

Remember, the actual heat from the audience's POV is on the actual card itself.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 24, 2016 06:58AM)
I don't think that's fully correct y'know kissdadookie, the punters are far more with it than we often tend to think they are...if you ask someone to do something illogical, there'd better be a VERY good reason as to why...people put things inside envelopes, that's its only real function...

the method in itself is great - I just think because of the original demo, it shied away from showing the full choreography...which I think was a negative... even though I have the original, I was kinda tempted to buy it because I thought (initially) that they'd made some big leap forward - either in the materials used, or the pen, and the presentations...but it genuinely put me off because I saw the envelope being used in such a weird way! completely put me off...
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Feb 24, 2016 07:15AM)
Blackpool weekend is just over and I was performing this a lot until we sold out.

I found all the pitfalls I think and found that cutting the cards in half gave me twice as many uses.

You can also have them write on the other side so you get 2 uses out of each card, the previous writing from a previous performance did not affect the new one.

I found having a previous card with the writing on how I wanted it guided them to do it the same, without this some people were writing very small.

I was using a card box to cover the card which I liked as they did not have to touch anything but owners of Steam 2.0 can choose a presentation and handling they like.

We have had a delivery since Blackpool but only a few are left in stock and none at available at Muphy's yet.

http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/paul-harris-presents-steam-20-by-ali-nouira.html
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 24, 2016 07:27AM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, IAIN wrote:
I don't think that's fully correct y'know kissdadookie, the punters are far more with it than we often tend to think they are...if you ask someone to do something illogical, there'd better be a VERY good reason as to why...people put things inside envelopes, that's its only real function...

the method in itself is great - I just think because of the original demo, it shied away from showing the full choreography...which I think was a negative... even though I have the original, I was kinda tempted to buy it because I thought (initially) that they'd made some big leap forward - either in the materials used, or the pen, and the presentations...but it genuinely put me off because I saw the envelope being used in such a weird way! completely put me off... [/quote]

I think you're forgetting to think of it in reverse ;) You take things out of envelopes as well. Introducing the envelope by having something in it already that you are taking out justifies the envelope. Asking them to put the envelope on top of the card is at that point inconsequential as it's just some random thing to put on something else to prevent any sort of peeking, etc. This is very logical, as logical as asking them to put anything else on top of the card/paper.

Essentially there are 3 things which needs justification. 1) Why they are writing on the card in the first place 2) Introducing the envelope 3) Asking for the envelope back. All 3 points are very very easily accomplished with the littlest of thought if you have been performing such things for awhile now (or get some good billet work books).
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 24, 2016 07:31AM)
Yeah, but putting an envelope on top of something is illogical, especially if that object initially cane out of that very same envelope!

You don't take a credit card from a wallet, use it, then stick it in your underwear... :)
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 24, 2016 08:20AM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, IAIN wrote:
Yeah, but putting an envelope on top of something is illogical, especially if that object initially cane out of that very same envelope!

You don't take a credit card from a wallet, use it, then stick it in your underwear... :) [/quote]

Again, overthinking. If you treat it as an afterthought as a means for grabbing something to write thoughts/doodle on or if there is something you need to take out of the envelope (if you use the fish thing this is justified or the photo presentation), you have made it logical. They don't question it. They even give you a perfectly good script/patter for this in the instructions.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 24, 2016 08:23AM)
I might be overthinking, you might be under thinking! Aaaaah
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 24, 2016 08:27AM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, IAIN wrote:
I might be overthinking, you might be under thinking! Aaaaah [/quote]

I've gone through half the envelopes already at this point. Actually worked the darn thing quite thoroughly. It's a non-issue. Granted all close up.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 24, 2016 08:30AM)
Not trying to talk you out of it...its a personal thing at the end of they day...

I personally consider it an illogical action, to be honest, I don't really care what anyone else thinks, we all have to do what we as individuals consider to be good, real, logical and all the rest...if it works for you, I'm happy to hear it...
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 24, 2016 08:38AM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, IAIN wrote:
Not trying to talk you out of it...its a personal thing at the end of they day...

I personally consider it an illogical action, to be honest, I don't really care what anyone else thinks, we all have to do what we as individuals consider to be good, real, logical and all the rest...if it works for you, I'm happy to hear it... [/quote]

This is the true illogical thing here: It's illogical to you as the performer apparently but what does this matter unless you are just performing to yourself? We are performing this on an audience are we not? Not performing for ourselves or just performing for other magicians/mentalists?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 24, 2016 08:45AM)
If something is illogical to me, I don't do it, because the illogicality of it will leak out in my actions and behaviour...

And if I consider something to be illogical, I wont perform it, its as simple as that...it needs to feel realistic and natural to me....this doesn't...

And sometimes, people are just kind or polite, and wont mention certain things to you, but they will their friends afterwards...

You don't have to defend your choices to me, I just consider your choice an illogical one, that's all there is to it...i wouldn't do what you do...dont take it as an insult, cos its not, just a difference and choice...
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 24, 2016 08:47AM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, IAIN wrote:
If something is illogical to me, I don't do it, because the illogicality of it will leak out in my actions and behaviour...

And if I consider something to be illogical, I wont perform it, its as simple as that...it needs to feel realistic and natural to me....this doesn't...

And sometimes, people are just kind or polite, and wont mention certain things to you, but they will their friends afterwards...

You don't have to defend your choices to me, I just consider your choice an illogical one, that's all there is to it...i wouldn't do what you do...dont take it as an insult, cos its not, just a difference and choice... [/quote]

Let me quote you here:

"because the illogicality of it will leak out in my actions and behaviour"

There lies your problem. Your hung up on a non-issue which then becomes an issue and I agree, that will come out in your performance and like the saying goes, they can smell fear :)
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 24, 2016 08:52AM)
Its not a problem, its an illogical act, no more, no less...so FOR ME it is an issue, FOR YOU it isn't!

Its an issue because (for the final time) I consider the usage of the envelope isn't natural, the context doesn't make sense TO ME.

We all have our own artistic merits, thoughts and so on, just like some prefer a wallet over b*ll*ts, ct over p**ks, its all about motivation and the logic behind it...

You've found yours, that's great, but I don't have to agree with it (though really, I don't care what you do), I just care about how I approach it...
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 24, 2016 09:04AM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, IAIN wrote:
Its not a problem, its an illogical act, no more, no less...so FOR ME it is an issue, FOR YOU it isn't!

Its an issue because (for the final time) I consider the usage of the envelope isn't natural, the context doesn't make sense TO ME.

We all have our own artistic merits, thoughts and so on, just like some prefer a wallet over b*ll*ts, ct over p**ks, its all about motivation and the logic behind it...

You've found yours, that's great, but I don't have to agree with it (though really, I don't care what you do), I just care about how I approach it... [/quote]

Here's the thing, you've essentially backtracked on your original statement of:

"I don't think that's fully correct y'know kissdadookie, the punters are far more with it than we often tend to think they are...if you ask someone to do something illogical, there'd better be a VERY good reason as to why...people put things inside envelopes, that's its only real function..."

So you've assumed that they will suspect the envelope but then you backtracked and stated that it will show in your actions because you personally find it illogical. You've essentially made a generalized statement which covers all performers then on the flip side you tried to make it a personal choice.

I'm not trying to persuade you just like how you're not trying to persuade me here, I'm just pointing some things out for others whom are considering this and are reading this thread. It's a discussion of course. I grab my mail, my mail is in an envelope. I take my mail out of the envelope and typically toss the envelope out or off to the side. An envelope does not necessarily need to be used for putting things in it IF it's introduced as having been holding something you are taking out from it to begin with. It's not as if you took out an empty envelope and a blank card as two separate things. It's also very silly to take out a blank card from the envelope (thus you should have something written on the card already, this is where a psy force comes into play, which is also taught/suggested in the instructions).
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Feb 24, 2016 09:06AM)
This should have been moved downstairs quite a while ago.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 24, 2016 09:08AM)
I didn't realise I was in court! Jebus...
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 24, 2016 09:08AM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, IAIN wrote:
I didn't realise I was in court! Jebus... [/quote]

LoL. :D
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 24, 2016 09:10AM)
I'm going to take some notes from this thread, but I will ignore my notepad and will instead write on an envelope :)

Because I've done that a couple of times in my life, in a pinch, when I'm not prepared... :)
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 24, 2016 09:15AM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, IAIN wrote:
I'm going to take some notes from this thread, but I will ignore my notepad and will instead write on an envelope :)

Because I've done that a couple of times in my life, in a pinch, when I'm not prepared... :) [/quote]

TBH, I've actually done that a lot, using envelopes as scratch paper of sorts ;)
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Feb 24, 2016 09:20AM)
Couldn't afford that...
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Feb 24, 2016 09:47AM)
If you don't like writing on the envelope, then don't. Figure out a routine that doesn't involve the envelope.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 24, 2016 09:48AM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, 1KJ wrote:
If you don't like writing on the envelope, then don't. Figure out a routine that doesn't involve the envelope. [/quote]
Thanks, I'm so glad you said that...i hadn't considered that as an option :wow:
Message: Posted by: ManchurianMan83 (Feb 24, 2016 09:53AM)
I can understand many people's concerns about the envelope approach.
As a user of Steam, I would have to agree that there are stronger means of getting the info.

That being said, I don't think the concept of resting the envelope on top is HUGELY illogical as some are making out.
It's called Convenience.

if the table had a napkin, you would accept the use that.....but that's equally illogical when it comes to 'use of a napkin' it's just that the envelope is playing the part of the nearest object to cover the card up with.
if you had a Menu you would accept laying that down on top....but why not open the menu up to a random page and throw the card in? (like placing the card IN the envelope)
Some things you just don't make a big thing of, you just do.
Honestly, it's ONLY because it's magic that this even matters!
Had I covered a card up (for something like a game, NOT magic) by resting a envelope on top (which considering the size diff between the two I would quite honstly do), if someone was to say 'why didn't you just put it inside?' my answer back....'no need..you can't see it right?'...
it's only because it's a 'magical method' were discussing here that it's suddenly an issue to [b]magicians[/b].

TBH, the REAL issue to be focusing on here is not explaining the laying of the envelope on the card (thats a non-moment), the real issue is explaining why not only are you taking the envelope away from them shortly afterward, but that your also writing ON the envelope....
You didn't think to pack two cards inside that envelope?
You didn't think you might want to write your answer down too?
THAT'S the real problem that the envelope method falls into, not the use of it for covering up the card.
That's just simply convennience (why bother putting it inside when you'll only be taking it out 5 mins later?), but try getting away with taking away and writing on the envelope!

Even if you COULD explain it away, doesn't change the fact that it kinda whiffs of unprofessionalism..that the performer had to write on a envelope....
not exactly a great impression next to writing on your business card that they get to keep after.

There's issues with the envelope for sure.
The illogicality of using it to obscure the drawing however is not the issue IMO.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 24, 2016 10:15AM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, ManchurianMan83 wrote:
I can understand many people's concerns about the envelope approach.
As a user of Steam, I would have to agree that there are stronger means of getting the info.

That being said, I don't think the concept of resting the envelope on top is HUGELY illogical as some are making out.
It's called Convenience.

if the table had a napkin, you would accept the use that.....but that's equally illogical when it comes to 'use of a napkin' it's just that the envelope is playing the part of the nearest object to cover the card up with.
if you had a Menu you would accept laying that down on top....but why not open the menu up to a random page and throw the card in? (like placing the card IN the envelope)
Some things you just don't make a big thing of, you just do.
Honestly, it's ONLY because it's magic that this even matters!
Had I covered a card up (for something like a game, NOT magic) by resting a envelope on top (which considering the size diff between the two I would quite honstly do), if someone was to say 'why didn't you just put it inside?' my answer back....'no need..you can't see it right?'...
it's only because it's a 'magical method' were discussing here that it's suddenly an issue to [b]magicians[/b].

TBH, the REAL issue to be focusing on here is not explaining the laying of the envelope on the card (thats a non-moment), the real issue is explaining why not only are you taking the envelope away from them shortly afterward, but that your also writing ON the envelope....
You didn't think to pack two cards inside that envelope?
You didn't think you might want to write your answer down too?
THAT'S the real problem that the envelope method falls into, not the use of it for covering up the card.
That's just simply convennience (why bother putting it inside when you'll only be taking it out 5 mins later?), but try getting away with taking away and writing on the envelope!

Even if you COULD explain it away, doesn't change the fact that it kinda whiffs of unprofessionalism..that the performer had to write on a envelope....
not exactly a great impression next to writing on your business card that they get to keep after.

There's issues with the envelope for sure.
The illogicality of using it to obscure the drawing however is not the issue IMO. [/quote]

Agreed. Justification is needed for having them write something down in the first place, why you have the envelope to begin with, and why you need the envelope back (which are all covered more than sufficiently in the instructions). Professionalism though, I can see that being an issue for more formal performance environments but in a close up/walk around situation, should be a non-issue.
Message: Posted by: ManchurianMan83 (Feb 24, 2016 10:51AM)
Justififying the use of something doesn't make it the best, or a good, use of the item though.

if I was to use the envelope, here's two ways I would go about it (no presentation, just method, to give an idea of alternate, arguably better aproaches)

METHOD 1
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Have TWO business cards inside the envelope.
Remove ONE business card and have spectator draw something and place face down.
As a quick afterthought, hand them the envelope (with remaining card inside) to cover their card up with.
When time comes to draw your 'impression', momentarily take the envelope back, remove second business card and then replace envelope back on top of their card.
The short time you handled the envelope is all you need to now be able to duplicate their drawing on the business card you now hold.
After the routine, simply pocket the envelope no questions asked.


METHOD 2
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{INSPIRED BY MARC SPELMANN'S 'UNDERHANDED THOUGHTS' ROUTINE (BUT NOT SAME METHOD!!!!)}

Have THREE business cards inside the envelope.
Remove ALL business cards and have spectator draw something on ONE and place face down.
As a quick afterthought, hand them the EMPTY envelope to cover their card up with.
Mention to the spec that you are getting two possible images coming to mind...maybe they changed their mind before settling on a drawing, or maybe this is an image from a previous thought they had earlier.
Take ONE of your TWO REMAINING busness cards and draw GUESS #1 (which at this stage will be a blind guess..there are certain psychological drawings though you can draw at this stage that can make a match quite likely)

[b]Here comes the peek....[/b]

With your face down Guess in one hand, momentarily lift up the cover envelope and place your guess card down on top of their card before replacing the envelope back on top of both....
You now know a) what they drew, and b) if what they drew and your Guess #1 match.

If on the off chance they match, no need to go any further beyond firstly fist pumping the air for blind luck working in your favour but also simply revealing the match.

However, if as is more likely, they don't match, draw on the THIRD business card your GUESS #2 (which is now a direct duplication)...

Ask them to momentarilfy lift the envelope once more as you swap your guess 1 for guess 2, showing them guess 1 and asking them if they changed their mind from it, or if it has some relevance as to why you might have picked it up....(sometimes you can get a nice extra hit in these moments)

Now that you have settled and committed to your final guess, have them hand you the envelope which you immediately pocket, leaving them with examinable business cards, one that is their original drawing, face down under a envelope the whole time, and the other is your spot on second guess.

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Those are just two examples of using the envelope in a much more disarming way than taking it back and writing on it directly.
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Feb 24, 2016 10:59AM)
I also don't like the idea of writing on the envelope- I see how they justify it, but it still feels a bit weird to me. It's also odd that you would have an envelope and a piece of paper for them to write on, but wouldn't have thought to have an extra piece of paper for yourself? Just feels a bit unprepared.

Thankfully you don't need to write on the envelope. In Andrew Gerard's photo routine, it's perfectly justified to hand them the envelope with a photo prediction inside of it, have them write down something and cover it with the photo envelope to make sure you can't see anything. At that point you just retrieve the envelope to remove the photo and it's put away and off you go. That is how it should be utilized.
Message: Posted by: Sensio (Feb 24, 2016 11:30AM)
Both approaches make much sense and most importantly take the heat out at the crucial moment.
Thanks!!

PS: for some reason I favour the 3 business cards version. It seems more natural and less contrived...

[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, ManchurianMan83 wrote:
Justififying the use of something doesn't make it the best, or a good, use of the item though.

if I was to use the envelope, here's two ways I would go about it (no presentation, just method, to give an idea of alternate, arguably better aproaches)

METHOD 1
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Have TWO business cards inside the envelope.
Remove ONE business card and have spectator draw something and place face down.
As a quick afterthought, hand them the envelope (with remaining card inside) to cover their card up with.
When time comes to draw your 'impression', momentarily take the envelope back, remove second business card and then replace envelope back on top of their card.
The short time you handled the envelope is all you need to now be able to duplicate their drawing on the business card you now hold.
After the routine, simply pocket the envelope no questions asked.


METHOD 2
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{INSPIRED BY MARC SPELMANN'S 'UNDERHANDED THOUGHTS' ROUTINE (BUT NOT SAME METHOD!!!!)}

Have THREE business cards inside the envelope.
Remove ALL business cards and have spectator draw something on ONE and place face down.
As a quick afterthought, hand them the EMPTY envelope to cover their card up with.
Mention to the spec that you are getting two possible images coming to mind...maybe they changed their mind before settling on a drawing, or maybe this is an image from a previous thought they had earlier.
Take ONE of your TWO REMAINING busness cards and draw GUESS #1 (which at this stage will be a blind guess..there are certain psychological drawings though you can draw at this stage that can make a match quite likely)

[b]Here comes the peek....[/b]

With your face down Guess in one hand, momentarily lift up the cover envelope and place your guess card down on top of their card before replacing the envelope back on top of both....
You now know a) what they drew, and b) if what they drew and your Guess #1 match.

If on the off chance they match, no need to go any further beyond firstly fist pumping the air for blind luck working in your favour but also simply revealing the match.

However, if as is more likely, they don't match, draw on the THIRD business card your GUESS #2 (which is now a direct duplication)...

Ask them to momentarilfy lift the envelope once more as you swap your guess 1 for guess 2, showing them guess 1 and asking them if they changed their mind from it, or if it has some relevance as to why you might have picked it up....(sometimes you can get a nice extra hit in these moments)

Now that you have settled and committed to your final guess, have them hand you the envelope which you immediately pocket, leaving them with examinable business cards, one that is their original drawing, face down under a envelope the whole time, and the other is your spot on second guess.

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Those are just two examples of using the envelope in a much more disarming way than taking it back and writing on it directly. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Feb 24, 2016 12:09PM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, 1KJ wrote:
If you don't like writing on the envelope, then don't. Figure out a routine that doesn't involve the envelope. [/quote]
There you have it!
And that's the reason why Steam 2.0 does not deliver more than there was before.
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Feb 24, 2016 12:12PM)
I get you can "justify" but what I am not seeing is why would you. Luke jermay has a lovely peek in minds dvd where they write on a card, they put it in an envelope, they lick it amd seal it if they want. You can peak in a lovely logical moment. I'm not slamming this I just don't see how this is better than the pletherer of other peeks which typically don't need specialist envelopes.
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Feb 24, 2016 12:27PM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, Paul S Wingham wrote:
I get you can "justify" but what I am not seeing is why would you. Luke jermay has a lovely peek in minds dvd where they write on a card, they put it in an envelope, they lick it amd seal it if they want. You can peak in a lovely logical moment. I'm not slamming this I just don't see how this is better than the pletherer of other peeks which typically don't need specialist envelopes. [/quote]

Because the envelope is not necessary for the Steam principle. Its just what the PHP team added in this release. To your point, if you see no value with the envelope, than maybe the Steam 2.0 "package" is not right for you, but the method of Steam in itself and the various applications possible with this utility (with no envelopes) are what sets it apart from your typical peeks.
Message: Posted by: magicbrady (Feb 24, 2016 12:46PM)
I am very intrigued by this and really want it to make enough sense to purchase it. I actually added it to my shopping cart yesterday and backed away. Those that like it, seem to really like it. I'm just not convinced that it will do anything for me that Psypher or Informant is not already doing. My understanding is that the cool factor is there, which makes me want it, but in the end, I think I'm doing the same thing I already am doing. I think I need to pass. I wish somebody would make a you tube or something showing a logical way of using this that differs from the other awesome peeks that are already on the market.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 24, 2016 01:13PM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, Paul S Wingham wrote:
I get you can "justify" but what I am not seeing is why would you. Luke jermay has a lovely peek in minds dvd where they write on a card, they put it in an envelope, they lick it amd seal it if they want. You can peak in a lovely logical moment. I'm not slamming this I just don't see how this is better than the pletherer of other peeks which typically don't need specialist envelopes. [/quote]

I wouldn't use the Steam envelope for a stage performance just like I wouldn't do the coin envelope peek routine that Jermay has for close up. Different handlings/methods for different purposes/environments. The thing about Steam 2.0 is that I don't need to carry a pad around or a special wallet (I don't actually use a wallet even as a day to day thing). It packs super light and small (I have 3-4 envelopes set up with a psy force ready to go, maybe one with a fortune telling fish as for some reason no matter how silly and stupid/trivial that presentation may appear, lay people get so giddy when that fish curls up in their palm). You also don't handle the card at all which goes a long way from moving the mind reading away from reading a card to actually reading a thought (dependent on your presentation of course).
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Feb 24, 2016 01:19PM)
Fair comment and wouldnt it be dull if we all thought the same :) I'm going to try this as I think its a fun idea and one of those methods I think I'll get a kick out of douing.
Message: Posted by: ManchurianMan83 (Feb 24, 2016 01:39PM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, magicbrady wrote:
I am very intrigued by this and really want it to make enough sense to purchase it. I actually added it to my shopping cart yesterday and backed away. Those that like it, seem to really like it. I'm just not convinced that it will do anything for me that Psypher or Informant is not already doing. My understanding is that the cool factor is there, which makes me want it, but in the end, I think I'm doing the same thing I already am doing. I think I need to pass. I wish somebody would make a you tube or something showing a logical way of using this that differs from the other awesome peeks that are already on the market. [/quote]

The key difference with Steam is the disconnect from writing surface to peek area.

Most impression devices/peek devices require close proximity to the ACTUAL information, be it written proximity before hand (imp pad), or extreme close proximity (ie on your possession) afterward (peek wallet)

The beauty of Steam is they can write on a business card or sheet of paper that is not against any potentially suspicious surface that you later retrieve (imp pad), nor do you then handle the card/paper they write on after.....the peek happens in a seperate place.

That is what genuinely makes Steam unique and different to any other type of device.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Feb 24, 2016 02:48PM)
[b]It's way past time to put this downstairs!![/b]
Message: Posted by: GAMJoker (Feb 24, 2016 05:54PM)
Any updates on the refills? When will they be available? How many will they cost & what's in the pack? Only the envelopes/cards... or a new pen as well...?
Message: Posted by: chrismatt (Feb 25, 2016 09:27AM)
I posted this in the [i]Inner Thoughts[/i] section downstairs, but I'm also posting part of it here, as I think it will get a wider reading:
[quote]
On Feb 24, 2016, chrismatt wrote:
With due respect to all who have worked with this principle, I feel I must weigh in here. Ten years ago, I performed extensive tests of various types of markers, paper, card stock, etc. In my trilogy, which I privately published and sold back in 2010, on what is now generally known as the [i]Steam principle[/i], I gave a detailed history of my research and reported my findings. Included with my manuscripts (as a "kit" option) were not only the best marker and imp material I had discovered, but my own specially-designed card stock. I had tested a variety of different weights and types of card stock and sent out kits that included my own fabricated 3" x 5" [i][b]lined[/b][/i] index cards, which worked perfectly with my [b][i]Sub Rosa Book Test[/i][/b], published in the book of the same name.

Recently, I have received several inquiries about my trilogy, probably because of the renewed interest in the principle with the recent release of the new trick. I will not disparage or criticize the work of other creators. However, I will say that the principle on which all these tricks is based is wonderful, but I continue to be surprised by how limited the applications have been, and continue to be, for this remarkable mentalist's tool. In my own work on this principle, performed over the course of several years, I discovered many applications that go way beyond the "attached to the bottom" and "Performer touches the card" methods I've seen in the tricks published to date. Those discoveries were set forth in my three manuscripts, from which I hoped further extensions would develop.

As far as I am concerned, most of the applications in which the card the S writes on is handled or touched by the performer are headed in the wrong direction. (Almost all of the applications in my trilogy are "hands off"--the performer never touches the card written on.) As described for my [i][b]Mind's Eye Pad[/b][/i], one of the many applications described in my manuscript, [i][b]Thought Reader's Secret Weapon[/b][/i]:

[quote]To be clear, the Spectator never even writes on the pad (although she could).  She writes her thoughts down on a card or paper held in her own hands—and she doesn't use the pad as a backing to write on!  The [i]Eye Pad[/i] is incredibly clean and very reliable. What users seem to appreciate the most is the fact that the Performer never touches the spectator's writing and the spectator's writing never goes into any wallet, envelope, pad, etc.—it is kept in the spectator’s personal space or possession at all times! Also, there are no switches of any kind, nor any sleight of hand involved![/quote]

[I've excluded a section in which I talk about the cardstock to be used.]

Thank you for allowing me to add to the discussion here. I hope I have been able to help or guide you as you delve deeper into this marvelous method.

Good luck!
CM

P.S. Before I get requests for the special card stock I manufactured years ago, please know that it is nearly gone. I had a few recent requests and have sent out most of my remaining "kits." (I'm still using whatever stock I currently have left!) Fortunately, my trilogy explains exactly the type of card stock that works best with the principle (and why) and how to go about fabricating your own business and index cards. (Business cards, 3" x 5" lined and unlined index cards, and even large 4" x 6" index cards were included in each of my kits.) Each of my manuscripts also contains helpful trouble-shooting information for those who've had difficulty working with this principle.

PP.S. Please send any inquiries to me at chrismattx@gmail.com.
[/quote]

Thank you!
CM
Message: Posted by: Chad Gill (Feb 25, 2016 10:37AM)
I don't own the first one. That said, this is SO AMAZING. Ok I am being over excited about things. Let's see how it turns out after putting some milages on it.
Message: Posted by: Philippe (Feb 26, 2016 01:36AM)
Steam is brilliant, if Tony Corinda had got hold of this, his work would have been the 14 steps!
Message: Posted by: somethingupmysleeve (Feb 26, 2016 02:11AM)
Great thoughts Chris, thanks for posting here. I'm late to this principle - there's clearly been so much discussion about this over the years. I'm interested to investigate it further - time for some research!

Jon
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Feb 26, 2016 11:13AM)
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, Nicolino wrote:
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, 1KJ wrote:
If you don't like writing on the envelope, then don't. Figure out a routine that doesn't involve the envelope. [/quote]
There you have it!
And that's the reason why Steam 2.0 does not deliver more than there was before. [/quote]

I don't own Steam 1.0. Perhaps you are right. If the only difference is the envelope, then I agree, no point in purchasing 2.0.

All I know is that with or without the envelope, Steam 2.0 is awesome!

KJ
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 26, 2016 12:29PM)
[quote]On Feb 26, 2016, 1KJ wrote:
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, Nicolino wrote:
[quote]On Feb 24, 2016, 1KJ wrote:
If you don't like writing on the envelope, then don't. Figure out a routine that doesn't involve the envelope. [/quote]
There you have it!
And that's the reason why Steam 2.0 does not deliver more than there was before. [/quote]

I don't own Steam 1.0. Perhaps you are right. If the only difference is the envelope, then I agree, no point in purchasing 2.0.

All I know is that with or without the envelope, Steam 2.0 is awesome!

KJ [/quote]

If you have the original, I don't see why one would find a need to pick up 2.0. The supply of things you need could be easily fashioned up yourself as well as easily acquired. It's a great package for people whom do not have the original though.
Message: Posted by: ianmitchell (Feb 26, 2016 04:47PM)
Received this yesterday and love it.
I didn't own 1.0 but did own The Ghost and the clarity of the image, for me, is so much clearer with this. The uses of this with the envelope are quite unlimited with the introduction of it very natural.
I'm thinking of having a photo of a hypnotist's eyes in my envelope and remove this to read the subjects mind whilst getting my peek.
You could have a photo of a TV, a Jukebox etc to have a reason to remove this depending on your choice of for the subject. This is what they'll concentrate on whilst getting your peek.
One downside though is the promise of 50 gaffed bills as a bonus. I ordered mine through Alakazam and didn't receive the bonus bills and phoned them. They promised to find out and phone me back the next day which, sadly, they didn't.
Anybody else receive or not receive their 50 bonus gaff bills?
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Feb 26, 2016 04:51PM)
There are no gaff bills. if you watch the video they just apply it onto a bill
Message: Posted by: Andrew Davis (Feb 26, 2016 08:55PM)
We have been having a great time using this around the shop - and personally I still recommend it to anyone, as the package includes something for everyone.

We still have these in stock with free shipping in the USA - $7.99 to $13.99 worldwide.

http://www.magicandsuch.com/product/paul-harris-presents-steam-2-0-by-ali-nouira/
Message: Posted by: magicduro (Feb 27, 2016 12:11AM)
I'm interested to hear about how the bill is used as cover. I came up with my own handling using a dollar bill and steam principle.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 27, 2016 12:28AM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2016, magicduro wrote:

I'm interested to hear about how the bill is used as cover. [/quote]

STEAM 2.0 has a very good reason and logic for using the Bill as cover.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: J1MB0 (Feb 27, 2016 02:50AM)
Where in the UK can refills be purchased for Steam? Also is there larger
card and envelope material for to do a stage version?
Message: Posted by: Dominic Reyes (Feb 27, 2016 05:52AM)
Merchant of Magic plan to be stocking the refills in the UK, as soon as they are released. They will also post updates on their newsletter for Steam 2.0 as soon as an ETA is published.

Hope this helps

Dominic
Message: Posted by: goshawk (Feb 27, 2016 05:56AM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2016, J1MB0 wrote:
Where in the UK can refills be purchased for Steam? Also is there larger
card and envelope material for to do a stage version? [/quote]


Just what I was thinking...:-)
Message: Posted by: goshawk (Feb 27, 2016 05:58AM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2016, Dominic Reyes wrote:
Merchant of Magic plan to be stocking the refills in the UK, as soon as they are released. They will also post updates on their newsletter for Steam 2.0 as soon as an ETA is published.

Hope this helps

Dominic [/quote]

Dominic, also as well as the refill - are you going to stock the "special" pen too? I have googled for the same type- and can't believe the price!! -
Message: Posted by: petegrimaud (Feb 27, 2016 07:58AM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2016, goshawk wrote:
[quote]On Feb 27, 2016, Dominic Reyes wrote:
Merchant of Magic plan to be stocking the refills in the UK, as soon as they are released. They will also post updates on their newsletter for Steam 2.0 as soon as an ETA is published.

Hope this helps

Dominic [/quote]

Dominic, also as well as the refill - are you going to stock the "special" pen too? I have googled for the same type- and can't believe the price!! - [/quote]


Have a look at the Bic 2000 permanent marker pen you can get pack of 10 for about £7.

Its bigger pen but personally don't find that a problem..

Hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: metaplayer (Feb 27, 2016 08:06AM)
My spectators felt something was 'odd' when I took back the envelope to write on it. So, I use a card box now and have the 'business card' in with the playing cards. I can take out the cards and show the spec that there is a blank business card mixed in with them. I explain that it's been in the card box with the cards all night... and go on to talk about sympathetic magic....
I have them write the name of a playing card on the card, put it face down and they cover it with the card box. A little more talk about the 'sympathy' between the cards and the specs written 'target'... then I pick up the card box to get out my prediction.

This has been very effective and fooling. Only drawback to this little routine is to work well it has to be a playing card that you ask the spec to think of and write. Rather than just anything.
Message: Posted by: goshawk (Feb 27, 2016 11:03AM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2016, petegrimaud wrote:
[quote]On Feb 27, 2016, goshawk wrote:
[quote]On Feb 27, 2016, Dominic Reyes wrote:
Merchant of Magic plan to be stocking the refills in the UK, as soon as they are released. They will also post updates on their newsletter for Steam 2.0 as soon as an ETA is published.

Hope this helps

Dominic [/quote]

Dominic, also as well as the refill - are you going to stock the "special" pen too? I have googled for the same type- and can't believe the price!! - [/quote]


Have a look at the Bic 2000 permanent marker pen you can get pack of 10 for about £7.

Its bigger pen but personally don't find that a problem..

Hope that helps. [/quote]


Thanks for the info Peter ;-)
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Feb 27, 2016 11:21AM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2016, metaplayer wrote:
My spectators felt something was 'odd' when I took back the envelope to write on it. So, I use a card box now and have the 'business card' in with the playing cards. I can take out the cards and show the spec that there is a blank business card mixed in with them. I explain that it's been in the card box with the cards all night... and go on to talk about sympathetic magic....
I have them write the name of a playing card on the card, put it face down and they cover it with the card box. A little more talk about the 'sympathy' between the cards and the specs written 'target'... then I pick up the card box to get out my prediction.

This has been very effective and fooling. Only drawback to this little routine is to work well it has to be a playing card that you ask the spec to think of and write. Rather than just anything. [/quote]

If you want to use playing cards (why not?) you should get rid of things which are superfluous and draw attention where you don't want to have it. A business card has no reason (at least you do not explain any believable one!) to be between the playing cards.
Why don't you introduce a deck of cards to illustrate the 52 possibilities somebody can think of? Spread the cards, put them back in the box. Then you have introduced an ordinary thing. Let somebody think of any playing card that comes to his mind. Offer him to change his mental choice. Only then (and you will have and give a reason!) put your business card on the table... Ask him to write down the card he is thinking of... for later prove, so that he now can't change his mind anymore a. s. o. Put the case on the card... Repeat what happened, that he could have changed his mind...(time delay)... do whatever you want, but then take the box, withdraw the cards and remove one card, put it face down on the table, ask him which card he finally settled on (even do not talk about your business card anymore!), turn the card over - forget about the business card, he knows what he wrote, and if other people want to see it let them do whatever they like to do without becoming part of this part of the "game". Please take my advice or at least rethink what you were planing to do. Jan
Message: Posted by: videoman (Feb 27, 2016 12:33PM)
Good advice as always Jan.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Feb 27, 2016 01:53PM)
That's exactly how I do it for 6 years now!
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Feb 28, 2016 11:37AM)
We seem to have lost all today's posts
Message: Posted by: Karl M (Feb 28, 2016 11:43AM)
There was serious exposure
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Feb 28, 2016 02:19PM)
[quote]On Feb 28, 2016, Karl M wrote:
There was serious exposure [/quote]

Sorry I don't agree

Unless you know how steam works nothing is exposed

If anything you have made the situation worse by putting attention to the posts
Message: Posted by: Karl M (Feb 28, 2016 03:00PM)
The post exposing the method was deleted so you don't know what you're talking about mate. Even the poster asked for it to be deleted and everything ok
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 29, 2016 08:10AM)
Wow the plot thickens incredibly.

See the "Blackpool Theif" thread.

Crazy if true.
Message: Posted by: Karl M (Feb 29, 2016 08:23AM)
Can Steam 2.0 be used in conjunction with a Jerry O'Connell + wallet?
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 29, 2016 08:33AM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, Karl M wrote:
Can Steam 2.0 be used in conjunction with a Jerry O'Connell + wallet? [/quote]

You can literally use it with anything that is opaque and acts as a surface.
Message: Posted by: JoelDickinson (Feb 29, 2016 08:36AM)
Yes Karl. You put something over the top of it, nobody suspects a thing and the dirty work is done.
Message: Posted by: Ross W (Feb 29, 2016 08:42AM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, JoelDickinson wrote:
Yes Karl. You put something over the top of it, nobody suspects a thing and the dirty work is done. [/quote]

Do you need to put a magazine, for example, on top of the wallet, or will it work in the normal manner, that is, according to convention?

As for the price - do we think it is overpriced? Or is it a steal?
Message: Posted by: jackaboy (Feb 29, 2016 10:28AM)
I'm dying at these jokes
Message: Posted by: Karl M (Feb 29, 2016 10:45AM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, Ross W wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, JoelDickinson wrote:
Yes Karl. You put something over the top of it, nobody suspects a thing and the dirty work is done. [/quote]

Do you need to put a magazine, for example, on top of the wallet, or will it work in the normal manner, that is, according to convention?

As for the price - do we think it is overpriced? Or is it a steal? [/quote]
I heard it leaves an impression that isn't very impressive to other magicians
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Feb 29, 2016 10:54AM)
My favorite so far has been turning the fortune teller fish pack into the imp device and eliminating the need for the envelope.
Love the jokes but I think we should leave those in the other thread.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 29, 2016 10:58AM)
All this apprehension towards the envelope, is it that magicians and hobbyists are the ones trying to use this mostly? Or are people really that truly terrible at figuring out how to present a routine?

How are people perfectly ok with doing wallet peeks where some people in the audience will clearly remember that you basically did handle the card/billet or even a CT. A CT is terrible if you can't justify taking back the billet to perform a CT in the first place. I mean, for goodness sakes, there's a ton of excellent writing on the topics of billet work and CTs, much of the writings goes into explaining how to justify your actions. If you make a big deal out of it, they will make a big deal out of it.
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Feb 29, 2016 11:03AM)
There is no need for the Envelope. Just take a piece of the Gimmick Material and stick it (With repositional Glue) to the Palm of your hand and mime how the should put the hand on the Card. While you are showing them what to do, you get the Information and there is no suspicion.

Try it out, works like a Charm. Interesting, that this Method was not shown on the Download.

Have Fun and Enjoy :)
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Feb 29, 2016 11:03AM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
All this apprehension towards the envelope, is it that magicians and hobbyists are the ones trying to use this mostly? Or are people really that truly terrible at figuring out how to present a routine?

How are people perfectly ok with doing wallet peeks where some people in the audience will clearly remember that you basically did handle the card/billet or even a CT. A CT is terrible if you can't justify taking back the billet to perform a CT in the first place. [/quote]


A wallet peak is quite different from taking back an envelope from someone. Although wallet peaks are a bit unnnatural, you are putting their card into what the audience think is a sealed wallet so it is all good in their mind but the justification for taking back the envelope is weak IMO
But each to their own
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Feb 29, 2016 11:05AM)
There is no need for the Envelope. Just take a piece of the Gimmick Material and stick it (With repositional Glue) to the Palm of your hand and mime how they should put the hand on the Card. While you are showing them what to do, you get the Information and there is no suspicion.

Try it out, works like a Charm. Interesting, that this Method was not shown on the Download.

Have Fun and Enjoy Smile
Message: Posted by: gtx magic (Feb 29, 2016 11:08AM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, rasmus wrote:
There is no need for the Envelope. Just take a piece of the Gimmick Material and stick it (With repositional Glue) to the Palm of your hand and mime how they should put the hand on the Card. While you are showing them what to do, you get the Information and there is no suspicion.

Try it out, works like a Charm. Interesting, that this Method was not shown on the Download.

Have Fun and Enjoy Smile [/quote]

Exellent Rasmus great thinking.

Graham
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Feb 29, 2016 11:10AM)
Rasmus. Thank you.
That is a very pure method.
Love it.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 29, 2016 11:11AM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
All this apprehension towards the envelope, is it that magicians and hobbyists are the ones trying to use this mostly? Or are people really that truly terrible at figuring out how to present a routine?

How are people perfectly ok with doing wallet peeks where some people in the audience will clearly remember that you basically did handle the card/billet or even a CT. A CT is terrible if you can't justify taking back the billet to perform a CT in the first place. [/quote]


A wallet peak is quite different from taking back an envelope from someone. Although wallet peaks are a bit unnnatural, you are putting their card into what the audience think is a sealed wallet so it is all good in their mind but the justification for taking back the envelope is weak IMO
But each to their own [/quote]

Make sure there's nothing else to write on lying around on the table or what not or leave something in the envelope which would justify why you need to take it back. A wallet peak has FAR less justification. Why are you taking the card back? So that nobody can see the written down information? Why can't the spectator just stick it down his/her pants instead? Safest place and one of the most personal spaces for it. The wallet is nice due to convenience rather than it being the most sensible approach to it.

For Steam, the heat is on the card if anywhere. The card is FACE DOWN. You don't come near or touch the card. Getting the envelope back is not something anybody remembers or pays attention to as long as you don't guilt trip yourself to the point where you are giving off a vibe which makes them suspect the envelope.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Feb 29, 2016 11:11AM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, rasmus wrote:
There is no need for the Envelope. Just take a piece of the Gimmick Material and stick it (With repositional Glue) to the Palm of your hand and mime how they should put the hand on the Card. While you are showing them what to do, you get the Information and there is no suspicion.

Try it out, works like a Charm. Interesting, that this Method was not shown on the Download.

Have Fun and Enjoy Smile [/quote]

I thought that as well and tried it out and it works amazingly but I just didn't like the idea of sticking it to my hand as it makes my hand go sticky after doing the effect.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 29, 2016 11:12AM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, rasmus wrote:
There is no need for the Envelope. Just take a piece of the Gimmick Material and stick it (With repositional Glue) to the Palm of your hand and mime how they should put the hand on the Card. While you are showing them what to do, you get the Information and there is no suspicion.

Try it out, works like a Charm. Interesting, that this Method was not shown on the Download.

Have Fun and Enjoy Smile [/quote]

Excellent idea, now I have a use for the bill gaff material the kit comes with.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Feb 29, 2016 12:00PM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, rasmus wrote:
There is no need for the Envelope. Just take a piece of the Gimmick Material and stick it (With repositional Glue) to the Palm of your hand and mime how they should put the hand on the Card. While you are showing them what to do, you get the Information and there is no suspicion.

Try it out, works like a Charm.
Interesting, that this Method was not shown on the Download.

Have Fun and Enjoy Smile [/quote]

Instead of the repositional glue I think it will be best if I lick my hand slightly and just stick it on..
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 29, 2016 12:11PM)
No I would use repositionable
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Feb 29, 2016 12:14PM)
Thanks, rasmus! GREAT idea.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Feb 29, 2016 01:15PM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
No I would use repositionable [/quote]

But Wouldnt you have to then prepare each paper so you could stick it on.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 29, 2016 01:22PM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
No I would use repositionable [/quote]

But Wouldnt you have to then prepare each paper so you could stick it on. [/quote]

Yes. You can carry an index card or two or three and stick them on it so that you can transport them around until ready to use.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Feb 29, 2016 01:24PM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
No I would use repositionable [/quote]

But Wouldnt you have to then prepare each paper so you could stick it on. [/quote]

Yes. You can carry an index card or two or three and stick them on it so that you can transport them around until ready to use. [/quote]

Yes but surely it would be easier to just lick your hand and stick it on
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Feb 29, 2016 01:32PM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
No I would use repositionable [/quote]

But Wouldnt you have to then prepare each paper so you could stick it on. [/quote]

Yes. You can carry an index card or two or three and stick them on it so that you can transport them around until ready to use. [/quote]

Yes but surely it would be easier to just lick your hand and stick it on [/quote]

1) I don't trust the material to get wet.
2) I don't want to leave any moisture or smell or what have you on the card itself.

I honestly like the envelope approach better especially for close up/walk around. Self contained and packs as small and flat as possible. I have not found anybody being suspicious of the envelope because I start making guesses and giving little readings before I even mention needing the envelope back, so in their mind the envelope is inconsequential because they have started buying into me already knowing things about what they are thinking about. It's all in the presentation.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Feb 29, 2016 01:47PM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, saysold1 wrote:
No I would use repositionable [/quote]

But Wouldnt you have to then prepare each paper so you could stick it on. [/quote]

Yes. You can carry an index card or two or three and stick them on it so that you can transport them around until ready to use. [/quote]

Yes but surely it would be easier to just lick your hand and stick it on [/quote]

1) I don't trust the material to get wet.
2) I don't want to leave any moisture or smell or what have you on the card itself.

I honestly like the envelope approach better especially for close up/walk around. Self contained and packs as small and flat as possible. I have not found anybody being suspicious of the envelope because I start making guesses and giving little readings before I even mention needing the envelope back, so in their mind the envelope is inconsequential because they have started buying into me already knowing things about what they are thinking about. It's all in the presentation. [/quote]

Fair enough..


Sleepy
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Feb 29, 2016 01:52PM)
Btw guys if you want to get new pens for this effect, these do the trick and are good quality.http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marking-Permanent-Marker-1-7mm-Bullet/dp/B000071LUP
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Feb 29, 2016 01:53PM)
The link above doesn't work
This one does
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marking-Permanent-Marker-1-7mm-Bullet/dp/B000071LUP
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Feb 29, 2016 04:31PM)
Very apriciated:)

the glue goes just on the paper. it leaves nothing on your hand, give it a try. the stick provided
is perfect for the in the hand method.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Feb 29, 2016 06:00PM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, rasmus wrote:
Very apriciated:)

the glue goes just on the paper. it leaves nothing on your hand, give it a try. the stick provided
is perfect for the in the hand method. [/quote]

I get what you mean but what I do is I just lick my hand as its easier and it doesn't affect the paper. In fact I made a video of me doing this version (stuck on the hand) around two weeks ago and my other version if just having the envelope in my hand, might post them...


Sleepy
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Feb 29, 2016 08:38PM)
For those of you in the United States, here's a link for replacing the marking pen with the exact same one which is included in the kit: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AQO8V?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Feb 29, 2016 08:51PM)
Thanks Rasmus, what an excellent and simple idea.

Elliot
Message: Posted by: jedoonatmagic (Feb 29, 2016 09:38PM)
Does anyone know what kind of card stock the business cards are? I've been trying to find a match.
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Feb 29, 2016 11:13PM)
I just use my own businesscards, works like a charm
Message: Posted by: Dark Knight (Feb 29, 2016 11:39PM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, rasmus wrote:
There is no need for the Envelope. Just take a piece of the Gimmick Material and stick it (With repositional Glue) to the Palm of your hand and mime how they should put the hand on the Card. While you are showing them what to do, you get the Information and there is no suspicion.

Try it out, works like a Charm. Interesting, that this Method was not shown on the Download.
[/quote]

This exact method was used as just the starting point in one of the chapters in Café member Chris Matthewson's incredibly in-depth trilogy on the subject, published six years ago. It is touched upon (pardon the pun) in his first book, but really extended in an unbelievable routine in his second book. The third book has the greatest idea I've seen about how to make this practical and easy.

(***Whispering: Not that anyone here would care, but a variation of the routine may be the greatest "pick-up" trick of all time!***)

As said previously:
[quote]I have the Steam trilogy published 5-6 years ago. The books themselves are outstanding and I strongly suspect Steam 2.0 is something discussed in great detail with almost infinite variations in the trilogy. I don't know if the books are still available, but as I said Matthewson is still a member of the Café and can be contacted. I've used many ideas from the trilogy and recommend them without reservation as containing some of the best information retrieval methods in the business!
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Mar 1, 2016 02:16AM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
For those of you in the United States, here's a link for replacing the marking pen with the exact same one which is included in the kit: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AQO8V?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 [/quote]

I actually ordered one of these a while ago, not for steam but just for marking things.

Half of them were already dried out when they got here and the other half ran out of ink really quick.

You could get them from another source so that they don't dry out.

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: Lawrens Godon (Mar 1, 2016 06:35AM)
Is Chris Matthewson's Steam trilogy available somewhere ?
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Mar 1, 2016 10:18AM)
Check page 7 of this thread. He has posted there.
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Mar 1, 2016 01:49PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:

I actually ordered one of these a while ago, not for steam but just for marking things.

Half of them were already dried out when they got here and the other half ran out of ink really quick.

You could get them from another source so that they don't dry out.

Sleepy [/quote]

That's terrible. I've already ordered them, so I'll check them when they arrive, and will report back...
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Mar 1, 2016 02:18PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:

I actually ordered one of these a while ago, not for steam but just for marking things.

Half of them were already dried out when they got here and the other half ran out of ink really quick.

You could get them from another source so that they don't dry out.

Sleepy [/quote]

That's terrible. I've already ordered them, so I'll check them when they arrive, and will report back... [/quote]

Yes, however many of the reviews on amazon saying they had no problems whatsoever but the more recent ones in 2015/16 are saying they aren't good. Maybe mine was just a one off. I find these the best, like Dominic Reyes suggested

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marking-Permanent-Marker-1-7mm-Bullet/dp/B000071LUP
Message: Posted by: Bambu (Mar 1, 2016 03:16PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:

I actually ordered one of these a while ago, not for steam but just for marking things.

Half of them were already dried out when they got here and the other half ran out of ink really quick.

You could get them from another source so that they don't dry out.

Sleepy [/quote]

That's terrible. I've already ordered them, so I'll check them when they arrive, and will report back... [/quote]

Yes, however many of the reviews on amazon saying they had no problems whatsoever but the more recent ones in 2015/16 are saying they aren't good. Maybe mine was just a one off. I find these the best, like Dominic Reyes suggested

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marking-Permanent-Marker-1-7mm-Bullet/dp/B000071LUP [/quote]


I ordered last night from here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351412466601?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Mar 1, 2016 03:57PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:

I actually ordered one of these a while ago, not for steam but just for marking things.

Half of them were already dried out when they got here and the other half ran out of ink really quick.

You could get them from another source so that they don't dry out.

Sleepy [/quote]




That's terrible. I've already ordered them, so I'll check them when they arrive, and will report back... [/quote]

Yes, however many of the reviews on amazon saying they had no problems whatsoever but the more recent ones in 2015/16 are saying they aren't good. Maybe mine was just a one off. I find these the best, like Dominic Reyes suggested

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marking-Permanent-Marker-1-7mm-Bullet/dp/B000071LUP [/quote]


These do indeed seem to be the best pen and I have Steam version 1 and my pen is a number of years old,i aways keep the lid on,still works well and I have one shop I can by the odd one from when he has them in stock, I have seen them no where else in any town in the UK that I have visited and it is a few.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Mar 1, 2016 04:00PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Bambu wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:

I actually ordered one of these a while ago, not for steam but just for marking things.

Half of them were already dried out when they got here and the other half ran out of ink really quick.

You could get them from another source so that they don't dry out.

Sleepy [/quote]

That's terrible. I've already ordered them, so I'll check them when they arrive, and will report back... [/quote]

Yes, however many of the reviews on amazon saying they had no problems whatsoever but the more recent ones in 2015/16 are saying they aren't good. Maybe mine was just a one off. I find these the best, like Dominic Reyes suggested

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marking-Permanent-Marker-1-7mm-Bullet/dp/B000071LUP [/quote]


I ordered last night from here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351412466601?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT [/quote]

Can you feedback on how they were after you receive them.?

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Mar 1, 2016 05:55PM)
^^^

Would appreciate that as well! :heavymetal:
Message: Posted by: Bambu (Mar 1, 2016 06:00PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Bambu wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:

I actually ordered one of these a while ago, not for steam but just for marking things.

Half of them were already dried out when they got here and the other half ran out of ink really quick.

You could get them from another source so that they don't dry out.

Sleepy [/quote]

That's terrible. I've already ordered them, so I'll check them when they arrive, and will report back... [/quote]

Yes, however many of the reviews on amazon saying they had no problems whatsoever but the more recent ones in 2015/16 are saying they aren't good. Maybe mine was just a one off. I find these the best, like Dominic Reyes suggested

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marking-Permanent-Marker-1-7mm-Bullet/dp/B000071LUP [/quote]


I ordered last night from here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351412466601?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT [/quote]

Can you feedback on how they were after you receive them.?

Sleepy [/quote]

Sure
Message: Posted by: petegrimaud (Mar 2, 2016 06:40AM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Fire Starter wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:

I actually ordered one of these a while ago, not for steam but just for marking things.

Half of them were already dried out when they got here and the other half ran out of ink really quick.

You could get them from another source so that they don't dry out.

Sleepy [/quote]




That's terrible. I've already ordered them, so I'll check them when they arrive, and will report back... [/quote]

Yes, however many of the reviews on amazon saying they had no problems whatsoever but the more recent ones in 2015/16 are saying they aren't good. Maybe mine was just a one off. I find these the best, like Dominic Reyes suggested

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marking-Permanent-Marker-1-7mm-Bullet/dp/B000071LUP [/quote]


These do indeed seem to be the best pen and I have Steam version 1 and my pen is a number of years old,i aways keep the lid on,still works well and I have one shop I can by the odd one from when he has them in stock, I have seen them no where else in any town in the UK that I have visited and it is a few. [/quote]


Also available at Makro online UK :

http://www.makro.co.uk/bic-marking-2300-permanent-marker-box-12.html
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Mar 2, 2016 09:44AM)
I've had some time now with steam 2.0. I think it's a great buy! Rasmus generously offered a great idea. I did this last night and I love it this way. Give Cole at Hocus-Pocus a call!
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Mar 2, 2016 10:07AM)
In the UK, these are the exact same pens (fine point) as sold with Steam 2.0

http://www.amazon.co.uk/BiC-DVD-Permanent-Marker-Black/dp/B0000AQO8V

Mike
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Mar 2, 2016 11:30AM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2016, Michael Daniels wrote:
In the UK, these are the exact same pens (fine point) as sold with Steam 2.0

http://www.amazon.co.uk/BiC-DVD-Permanent-Marker-Black/dp/B0000AQO8V

Mike [/quote]

Based on the reviews, many have said that they are dried out when they come, same happened with me. I wouldn't recommend these....m

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 2, 2016 11:46AM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Mar 2, 2016, Michael Daniels wrote:
In the UK, these are the exact same pens (fine point) as sold with Steam 2.0

http://www.amazon.co.uk/BiC-DVD-Permanent-Marker-Black/dp/B0000AQO8V

Mike [/quote]

Based on the reviews, many have said that they are dried out when they come, same happened with me. I wouldn't recommend these....m

Sleepy [/quote]

Please - it may have been a bad batch/ The pens are fine I'm sure. Been buying em for years.
Message: Posted by: Bro Gilbert (Mar 2, 2016 12:00PM)
Janet is currently on vacation but wanted me to let you all know that if you don't want to spend the time sourcing your own materials etc. For your convenience, refills will be available this month, including pens, pads, envelopes, card stock etc. Will let everyone know pricing and how many come in each refill as soon as I know. Thanks.

B
Message: Posted by: bluesmagic (Mar 2, 2016 02:11PM)
Did anyone mention that if the paper on which the spectator writes bleeds through a little, that's the best reason to "cover it up" ? :)
Message: Posted by: IllMaster (Mar 2, 2016 05:49PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2016, bluesmagic wrote:
Did anyone mention that if the paper on which the spectator writes bleeds through a little, that's the best reason to "cover it up" ? :) [/quote]

Ha!! This is an excellent suggestion!! I had ordered 2 diff boxes of blank business cards which arrived today. The thicker ones did not work at all, but the thinner ones work GREAT, though there is an almost imperceptible bleed through. I was thinking the money was wasted, but your suggestion is brilliant!! It lends even more credibility to the envelope cover, and focuses the attention even more on the card, less on the envelope.

I would love to know where to get bulk cards that mimic the included cards, or even what the card stock is called so I can hunt some down, but until there are refills available, I can use these, thanks for a great suggestion!
Message: Posted by: IllMaster (Mar 2, 2016 06:00PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
^^^

Would appreciate that as well! :heavymetal: [/quote]

Hey gang,

I ordered these from Amazon US and received them 3-4 days ago. They are fresh, work perfectly, and are exactly what came in my Steam 2.0 box:

- BIC Marking Permanent Marker, Fine Point, Black, 12-Count

They were under $7, delivered. I didn't want to tear up the one that I got in the Steam 2 box swapping it with a Sharpie (which I did exactly as Bro showed us) screw it up and be without, so I got these delivered before attempting it. It worked PERFECTLY and I now have an unambiguous Sharpie that works great and a dozen spares! I can suggest a few fine points I learned along the way on doing the swap if anyone's interested.

Anyhow, regarding the original issue, these are perfect, none dried out, all 12 are fresh and flawless, order away!

Hope this helps. I use the Amazon app so just search Amazon US for what I posted and it'll pop right up.
Message: Posted by: IllMaster (Mar 2, 2016 06:28PM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Feb 29, 2016, rasmus wrote:
There is no need for the Envelope. Just take a piece of the Gimmick Material and stick it (With repositional Glue) to the Palm of your hand and mime how they should put the hand on the Card. While you are showing them what to do, you get the Information and there is no suspicion.

Try it out, works like a Charm. Interesting, that this Method was not shown on the Download.

Have Fun and Enjoy Smile [/quote]

I thought that as well and tried it out and it works amazingly but I just didn't like the idea of sticking it to my hand as it makes my hand go sticky after doing the effect. [/quote]

Have you tried using a spray adhesive? I have tried many for various magic routines and always return to Krylon Easy-Tack. Comes in a 10.5oz can and runs about $13.

It will turn about anything sensible (not gonna work on a cinder block...) into a post-it note. I just now tried Easy-Tack for this application after reading this post and as expected it works flawlessly. It leaves nothing on your hand, zero, and it sticks like crazy until you peel it off. Spray it on your cut paper from 12" away or so, let it dry for a minute, and you're ready to go.

It truly is like post-it adhesive in a spray can. Works far better IMHO than the restickable Scotch glue stick or even the Scotch spray tack, and its ready to go in ~1 minute.

Give it a shot, I really like this stuff and thanks to you good folks and the suggestion I'm going to use the spray adhesive to diversify my Steam 2.0 routines.

As an afterthought, you could make your own small pad of these to take with you, just like a 10-12 packet of perfect post-it notes for the routine. A little project to go work on, I'll let ya know how that turns out. :)

Hope this helped!
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Mar 2, 2016 07:13PM)
I've had a few days to play around with this, too. I think this is a real winner.

I'm looking at the "props" right now. Just a bill, two biz cards, and a marker. Plus another higher denomination bill. This is how I'm going to do it, anyway. No envelopes - as much as I like the wallet photo and fortune telling fish routines.

Incredible how it works. I don't think anyone - even magicians - could figure this out if they didn't know the secret.

Robert

PS - I wonder how much the replacement pads are going to cost??
Message: Posted by: bluesmagic (Mar 2, 2016 07:58PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2016, IllMaster wrote:
[quote]On Mar 2, 2016, bluesmagic wrote:
Did anyone mention that if the paper on which the spectator writes bleeds through a little, that's the best reason to "cover it up" ? :) [/quote]

Ha!! This is an excellent suggestion!! I had ordered 2 diff boxes of blank business cards which arrived today. The thicker ones did not work at all, but the thinner ones work GREAT, though there is an almost imperceptible bleed through. I was thinking the money was wasted, but your suggestion is brilliant!! It lends even more credibility to the envelope cover, and focuses the attention even more on the card, less on the envelope.

I would love to know where to get bulk cards that mimic the included cards, or even what the card stock is called so I can hunt some down, but until there are refills available, I can use these, thanks for a great suggestion! [/quote]


You are welcome! :)
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Mar 2, 2016 11:39PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2016, IllMaster wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
^^^

Would appreciate that as well! :heavymetal: [/quote]

Hey gang,

I ordered these from Amazon US and received them 3-4 days ago. They are fresh, work perfectly, and are exactly what came in my Steam 2.0 box:

- BIC Marking Permanent Marker, Fine Point, Black, 12-Count

They were under $7, delivered. I didn't want to tear up the one that I got in the Steam 2 box swapping it with a Sharpie (which I did exactly as Bro showed us) screw it up and be without, so I got these delivered before attempting it. It worked PERFECTLY and I now have an unambiguous Sharpie that works great and a dozen spares! I can suggest a few fine points I learned along the way on doing the swap if anyone's interested.

Anyhow, regarding the original issue, these are perfect, none dried out, all 12 are fresh and flawless, order away!

Hope this helps. I use the Amazon app so just search Amazon US for what I posted and it'll pop right up. [/quote]


I must have had a bad batch then. Just ordered some....


Sleepy
Message: Posted by: CarlEJones (Mar 3, 2016 02:39AM)
Love this effect! WOW!
Message: Posted by: mike herbert (Mar 3, 2016 02:44AM)
Rasmus

It's a shame you gave that method, I (and I am sure many others) was keeping that under my hat. Now you can bet there will be a bunch of kids spreading this around you tube. I wonder if steam will go the way of "cosmosis" by Ben Harris as being one of the most exposed effects out there.

It is my opinion that if you spend time working on methods for effects you will at some point reach many similar conclusions as others that put in the time....for example with billets, I have independently developed Acidus globus, Busches billet and acidus novas, plus a couple of others, I am sure I am not the only one to do this

This thread tells everything that you need to know....I don't even have fifty posts and I wish it was downstairs as I wince every time bits of it are revealed.

This was a trick that fooled penn and teller....

Maybe I am too old school.

One thing is for sure magic needs a good overhaul.


Mike
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Mar 3, 2016 04:32AM)
[quote]On Mar 3, 2016, mike herbert wrote:
Rasmus

It's a shame you gave that method, I (and I am sure many others) was keeping that under my hat. Now you can bet there will be a bunch of kids spreading this around you tube. I wonder if steam will go the way of "cosmosis" by Ben Harris as being one of the most exposed effects out there.

It is my opinion that if you spend time working on methods for effects you will at some point reach many similar conclusions as others that put in the time....for example with billets, I have independently developed Acidus globus, Busches billet and acidus novas, plus a couple of others, I am sure I am not the only one to do this

This thread tells everything that you need to know....I don't even have fifty posts and I wish it was downstairs as I wince every time bits of it are revealed.

This was a trick that fooled penn and teller....

Maybe I am too old school.

One thing is for sure magic needs a good overhaul.


Mike [/quote]

I don't think many YouTube magic kids know
About the magic Café... I am a kid (never learned anything from YouTube BTW) but I am annoyed at the fact the DL has been exposed so many times on YouTube.....but your spec doesn't know about it..... If you don't want things like rasmus's idea then report it if you want and he can move it downstairs..


Sleepy
Message: Posted by: pelicantrapper (Mar 3, 2016 10:32AM)
I have been following this thread closely. True. There is a lot of information being given. But, there is still that one unknown element and in this case that one unknown element is pretty darn clever.

Cheers!
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Mar 3, 2016 12:56PM)
So I got 2 packs of bic pens, not the same type which comes with steam 2.0. All of them work perfectly and due to them being slightly larger, they have a bigger ink cartridge so they last longer..
Message: Posted by: Willie mcgregor (Mar 3, 2016 04:53PM)
Performed this using the invisible deck blew them away
Message: Posted by: Bambu (Mar 3, 2016 05:41PM)
[quote]On Mar 3, 2016, Willie mcgregor wrote:
Performed this using the invisible deck blew them away [/quote]

Can you elaborate? sounds as a good idea.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Mar 3, 2016 06:00PM)
Isn't that obvious?

Well, here's my guess and how I would implement said effect:

- gimmicked deck of cards, thought-of card written on business card.
- performer takes out deck and shows one card to be face down.
- participant names thought-of card.
- it matches!

Works also with a regular deck of cards using The Core or Paradiddle Principle.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 3, 2016 06:10PM)
[quote]On Mar 3, 2016, Willie mcgregor wrote:

Performed this using the invisible deck blew them away [/quote]

Excellent idea. Thank you for sharing.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Mar 3, 2016 06:24PM)
The invisible deck routine is on the Steam 2.0 video
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Mar 3, 2016 06:43PM)
Wishing like many this wasn't available 'upstairs'. Can the thread be moved?

Elliot
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 3, 2016 06:46PM)
Oh, yes . . . The Invisible Steam!

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Mar 3, 2016 07:17PM)
I agree....move this downstairs..

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Mar 3, 2016 08:15PM)
I'm moving more and more into enjoying performing mentalism so even though I'm very late to the Steam party I decided to take the plunge on this.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 4, 2016 07:42AM)
World Products Review just discussed it on their latest show.

[youtube]ywKlb8uTwJA[/youtube]

It is the last product discussed.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Mar 4, 2016 09:04AM)
[quote]On Mar 3, 2016, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Mar 3, 2016, Willie mcgregor wrote:

Performed this using the invisible deck blew them away [/quote]

Excellent idea. Thank you for sharing.

:xmas: [/quote]

Pretty sure this was covered in the instructions actually.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 4, 2016 09:11AM)
[quote]On Mar 3, 2016, Ustaad wrote:

Oh, yes . . . The Invisible Steam!
[/quote]

:bg:

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Mar 4, 2016 02:51PM)
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
World Products Review just discussed it on their latest show.
It is the last product discussed. [/quote]

I agree with the reviewers - the bill version is my favorite as well. All of the actions therein are fully justified, and the 'finale' really pops!
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Mar 4, 2016 02:56PM)
Steam 2.0 is due back in stock on Monday with us in the UK
http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/paul-harris-presents-steam-20-by-ali-nouira.html
Message: Posted by: jackaboy (Mar 4, 2016 03:01PM)
This made me want an amazing sharpie
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Mar 4, 2016 06:17PM)
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, jackaboy wrote:
This made me want an amazing sharpie [/quote]

lol!!!
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Mar 5, 2016 05:03PM)
Just got this and I think it has a LOT of potential.
I like that you get the info without touching the card or an item that the card was written on, like a pad or clipboard.
Virtually no one will be familiar with the physical properties involved so it will seem impossible.

Still mulling over how I want to use it but I do like the Andrew Gerard's idea using a photo.
But I don't like turning it into a card trick. And I also don't like people immediately knowing the odds, 1 in 52. I'd rather it seem like "it could have been anything".
So my first thought was adapting Andrew's idea of using a photo in the envelope and giving it a broader scope. Instead of a selfie of me holding a card, maybe a selfie of me holding a shipping box from Amazon.
Then the gag is "this is how it looked when I first got it" or something like that.
Anyway, I think a gag photo fits my style perfectly and can also give a believable justification for putting it on the card and then removing it.

But whatever direction I end up going in I do like the fact it allows you a lot of room to personalize it and gives you a lot to think about.
Half the fun for me is thinking up different ideas for a routine.
Message: Posted by: Bambu (Mar 5, 2016 07:04PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2016, dj wrote:
The Mentalist Chester Sass from Germany has released in 2010 a routine called the "What if ...?"
It is based on the Steam principle.
With Chester´s routine you get the script, business card holder (aluminum), "What If ...?" business cards and much gimmicks.
Chester Sass used no envelopes (as in the Steam 2.0), but business card holder.
I hope I didn´t reveal too much. [/quote]

The use of a business card holder to hold and then to cover the spectator's card looks logic and natural. Thank you for sharing.
Message: Posted by: bluesmagic (Mar 6, 2016 04:12PM)
Wouldn't a wallet be ok too ?
Message: Posted by: Matthew Crabtree (Mar 6, 2016 06:27PM)
[quote]On Mar 6, 2016, bluesmagic wrote:
Wouldn't a wallet be ok too ? [/quote]

No you use a magazine to cover the wallet
Message: Posted by: gtx magic (Mar 6, 2016 07:05PM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, Matthew Crabtree wrote:
[quote]On Mar 6, 2016, bluesmagic wrote:
Wouldn't a wallet be ok too ? [/quote]

No you use a magazine to cover the wallet [/quote]

Like it,very witty Mathew, nice one. Lol
:applause:
Message: Posted by: Elliot Marx (Mar 6, 2016 07:18PM)
That was right up my alley...
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Mar 7, 2016 09:04AM)
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
World Products Review just discussed it on their latest show.
It is the last product discussed. [/quote]

I agree with the reviewers - the bill version is my favorite as well. All of the actions therein are fully justified, and the 'finale' really pops! [/quote]

If you're a magician, the bar bet approach fits. If you're trying to read thoughts, it's terrible as this approach trivializes the mind reading.
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Mar 7, 2016 09:40AM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
World Products Review just discussed it on their latest show.
It is the last product discussed. [/quote]

I agree with the reviewers - the bill version is my favorite as well. All of the actions therein are fully justified, and the 'finale' really pops! [/quote]

If you're a magician, the bar bet approach fits. If you're trying to read thoughts, it's terrible as this approach trivializes the mind reading. [/quote]

yeah cause mind reading is important stuff right? ;)
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Mar 7, 2016 10:03AM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, Sean Giles wrote:
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
World Products Review just discussed it on their latest show.
It is the last product discussed. [/quote]

I agree with the reviewers - the bill version is my favorite as well. All of the actions therein are fully justified, and the 'finale' really pops! [/quote]

If you're a magician, the bar bet approach fits. If you're trying to read thoughts, it's terrible as this approach trivializes the mind reading. [/quote]

yeah cause mind reading is important stuff right? ;) [/quote]

Obviously not, but playing the part comes a long way in the minds of the audience :)
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Mar 7, 2016 10:52AM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, Sean Giles wrote:
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
World Products Review just discussed it on their latest show.
It is the last product discussed. [/quote]

I agree with the reviewers - the bill version is my favorite as well. All of the actions therein are fully justified, and the 'finale' really pops! [/quote]

If you're a magician, the bar bet approach fits. If you're trying to read thoughts, it's terrible as this approach trivializes the mind reading. [/quote]

yeah cause mind reading is important stuff right? ;) [/quote]

Obviously not, but playing the part comes a long way in the minds of the audience :) [/quote]

I guess I just don't get your point. Do you also think bank night routines trivialise the mind reading? Bank nite also has money at stake and has been used by some of the top mind readers in the world today. What are your thoughts?
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Mar 7, 2016 11:03AM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, Sean Giles wrote:
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, Sean Giles wrote:
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
World Products Review just discussed it on their latest show.
It is the last product discussed. [/quote]

I agree with the reviewers - the bill version is my favorite as well. All of the actions therein are fully justified, and the 'finale' really pops! [/quote]

If you're a magician, the bar bet approach fits. If you're trying to read thoughts, it's terrible as this approach trivializes the mind reading. [/quote]

yeah cause mind reading is important stuff right? ;) [/quote]

Obviously not, but playing the part comes a long way in the minds of the audience :) [/quote]

I guess I just don't get your point. Do you also think bank night routines trivialise the mind reading? Bank nite also has money at stake and has been used by some of the top mind readers in the world today. What are your thoughts? [/quote]

Think about how bank night is presented. You're correctly locating where the money is. What is one of the longest held "powers" of a mind reader/psychic? Dowsing. What is dowsing? Locating things which you should not be able to. How is bill used for Steam? "I bet you this money here that I can read your mind!" 1) You've unnecessarily set up a challenge situation for yourself 2) you've turned something which has major impact essentially into a bar bet.

Yes, both involves money but the context in which the money is used are COMPLETELY different. Think about that.
Message: Posted by: magicbrady (Mar 7, 2016 05:42PM)
As a magician that also does a few mental items here and there, I just don't get why there is such a divide. Magic and mentalism are different in nature, but designed to entertain the observer. If either the magician or the mentalist is trying to come across as truly having power, it is fraud at best. If not, I think they can cross mix well if the routine is well thought out and done professionally. Where it goes south is when people don't practice, prepare, and routine properly. If that's the case any mentalism or magic will not end well. I can tell you that my routine is about 90% magic but I throw in 2 or 3 mental effects and they get a huge reaction.
Message: Posted by: Michael Mindreader (Mar 7, 2016 06:52PM)
The debate could go both ways. Do you think audience would be able to tell the difference between mental magic and mentalism?
Message: Posted by: magicbrady (Mar 7, 2016 07:50PM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, Michael Mindreader wrote:
The debate could go both ways. Do you think audience would be able to tell the difference between mental magic and mentalism? [/quote]

I honestly don't think it matters, as long as they are amazed and entertained. They are looking to you do do something that they can't explain. Why do we need to categorize it? That's like saying you can only be a stage performer or a close up performer, not both. What if I do an amazing stage show, then walk outside and continue with a side-bar close up show at a dinner table. If lucky, pull off a couple amazing mental feats at the bar and it's a full night. Why do I need to limit myself to one of the three? Only logic I see for the limitation is if I'm truly not prepared to pull it off, but that's another story. If I'm skilled at all, why not use it all if the venue makes sense? I think the hesitation comes from people dabbling in something they don't really understand and messing things up. That would understandably make those "in the know" angry, but shouldn't detract from those that have put in their time. Rather than saying "magicians" shouldn't do "mentalism", we should say don't present something until you are ready. I'm with you there.
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Mar 8, 2016 12:49AM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, Sean Giles wrote:
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, Sean Giles wrote:
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
World Products Review just discussed it on their latest show.
It is the last product discussed. [/quote]

I agree with the reviewers - the bill version is my favorite as well. All of the actions therein are fully justified, and the 'finale' really pops! [/quote]

If you're a magician, the bar bet approach fits. If you're trying to read thoughts, it's terrible as this approach trivializes the mind reading. [/quote]

yeah cause mind reading is important stuff right? ;) [/quote]

Obviously not, but playing the part comes a long way in the minds of the audience :) [/quote]

I guess I just don't get your point. Do you also think bank night routines trivialise the mind reading? Bank nite also has money at stake and has been used by some of the top mind readers in the world today. What are your thoughts? [/quote]

Think about how bank night is presented. You're correctly locating where the money is. What is one of the longest held "powers" of a mind reader/psychic? Dowsing. What is dowsing? Locating things which you should not be able to. How is bill used for Steam? "I bet you this money here that I can read your mind!" 1) You've unnecessarily set up a challenge situation for yourself 2) you've turned something which has major impact essentially into a bar bet.

Yes, both involves money but the context in which the money is used are COMPLETELY different. Think about that. [/quote]

Thought about it. Either way could be presented as mentalism, magic or something inbetween. It's all in how it's presented. The bill thing is good for the right circumstances and can be played as whatever way you have the skill to play it.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 8, 2016 05:23AM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, Michael Mindreader wrote:

Do you think audience would be able to tell the [b]difference between mental magic and mentalism?[/b] [/quote]


This is only for those who might be interested.

[url=https://innermagicclub.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/whats-the-difference-betweem-mental-magic-and-mentalism/][b]Difference between Mental Magic and Mentalism[/b][/url]

:xmas:
P.S. Someone had so rightly said:-

[b][I]Don't try to spread knowledge here, everybody is very knowledgeable.[/I][/b] :bg: ;)
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Mar 8, 2016 08:09AM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, Michael Mindreader wrote:
The debate could go both ways. Do you think audience would be able to tell the difference between mental magic and mentalism? [/quote]

Yes they would. What is one of the longest standing things in the the mystery arts? Fortune tellers/palm readers/psychics/etc. They play it completely straight and there's always this notion that it's either real or could be real (by lay people). A reason mentalism is very strong and impactful is because much of it rides on the back of the public having this notion that fortune tellers or psychics could be real. Yes you can easily entertain with either magic, mental magic, or mentalism but playing it more straight (doesn't mean you can't have some levity in your performance as that does provide contrast which creates more entertainment value overall) has more personal impact for the audience.

Read Cassidy's great book, Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy. He explains why playing it more realistically is better if you only perform as a mentalist. Look at Banachek and his disclaimer of creating the illusion of a 6th sense from a combination of 5 senses. Even though he specifically states it's the illusion of a 6th sense, that is so very very very vague and he mainly comes off as a genuine mind reader (since one of the greatest things he does is spell out a participant's or audience's thought process before a reveal).

Also, for the person stating that the context of how the money is used is all the same because both can be equally entertaining, that works perfectly well for magicians. I don't think it's the best approach for someone who is strictly performing mentalism.

It's sort of the same argument as to why a mentalist shouldn't be running around demonstrating every single ability/power that falls under mentalism, as that devalues much of it and one comes off looking like they are trying too hard to prove they are real or powerful (you don't want to act or appear to your audience as being superior, you want to connect with them). Thus pick a select few abilities and stick with those.

Lastly, according to a great piece written by Vice on the industry of palm readers/fortune tellers/psychics/etc., that industry appears to make a whole lot more money than most performers here. Why is that? My theory is because people in general like to believe that those things are real and would thusly go to them for insight and what not. The article points out that the industry makes the most money whenever there's an economic downturn which would suggest that what I theorized holds true.

Note: If one wishes to look at this subject specifically within the confines of magic, look at David Blaine. He made his name on playing it straight. Yes he's performing magic tricks but he never trivializes any of it (for the most part). Criss Angel is entertaining but from what I can tell, people tend to think David Blaine is the stranger one that might be the real deal. What's the difference between their two styles? One comes off more as performing tricks whilst the other comes off as a mystery that provides true moments of astonishment. The way effects and routines are presented and treated by the performer has a great deal of significance in terms of how the audience perceives the material. Things can be entertaining but let's face it, is it truly that difficult to entertain? For goodness sakes, people spend hours on YouTube watching cat videos and the sort and are completely entertained and hypnotized by it. How about making things entertaining and taking it a bit further, create a more personal connection instead of stopping at being merely entertaining?
Message: Posted by: ManchurianMan83 (Mar 8, 2016 09:56AM)
There is also a attitude/approach shift between 'Magicians' and 'Mentalists'.

As someone who started out doing Magic before moving over to Mentalism, I understand this divide personally.

Magicians more often than not want to perform tricks that work,.
That's why there is so much of an emphasis on 'workers' (can I go out and work this consistently?), the thought of something not working all the time, say a [b]Psychological Force[/b] or something like [b]Muscle Reading[/b], generally tends to dissuade Magicians due to their potential to occassionally fail.
Who would want to go out and perform a trick that might fail?
Why, when You can just do a perfectly routined card trick or ring/rope trick that you know will always work and amaze.

Mentalists on the other hand are not averse to such risky, bold methods.
A part of why is those 'risky methods' sit well with the rest of their act's....however they don't generally sit so well among magic effects. (explanation below)

Along side the mentalism methods that aren't always sure fire, you also have the attitude towards revealing information.
A lot of mentalists, myself included, will quite frequently [b]deliberately[/b] make our revelations slightly off.
A drawing may not be 100% what the spectator drew.....
A thought of word may be slightly off......
A selection of items may have some missing/different items to the spectator....

That's not always because we didn't know what the word/drawing was, it was actually a [b]conscious deliberate decision[/b] on our part to do that for the performance.
Sometimes we choose to be spot on, sometimes a little bit off...

Again, that thought process can be an odd one to a magician who is used to tricks that [b]work[/b].
Can you imagine doing an Ace Assembly where only three Aces are produced, and the 4th is a mistake?
Can you imagine doing a TNR card where only half the card gets restored and the other refuses to fix itself?
If these happened during a performance, they would be deemed as failures and genuine mistakes and you would more often than not be disheartened when they occur.
Can you imagine [b]deliberately[/b] setting up a scenario of 'making a mistake'?
A mentalist quite often does!

Let's say you are a magician who understands that attitude shift and you're willing to adopt it...
you're willing to brave some bold risky methods that aren't always sure fire....
You're willing to set up scenarios where your mind readings are not always 'magically accurate'....

The problem then comes when you try and integrate such methods among your 'tricks' that 'always work'.

Unless you're going to be a mentalist who is not going to attempt bold risky methods (which is what makes mentalism 'mentalism' in the first place, and not just simply 'mental magic), or present scenarios of mild failure (so you're going to always be unnervingly spot on every single time), then your 'mentalism' routine is going to stand out like a sore thumb to your audience.
There you were doing amazing card tricks or what not, getting everything 100% bang on and wowing the crowd...and then you bust out a muscle reading routine that doesn't work this time, or you perform say Steam but deliberately make your revelation slightly off, and now your mistake stands out to the audience.
Where the rest of your routine was amazing and everything was working (to the best of your ability)...suddenly your mentalism routine you stumble.
They'd probaly say 'don't give up the magic mate, stick to that'.

However, with mentalism, because those attutudes are mixed in alongside other mentalism methods and routines (some that are more sure fire) and as such, all we focus on IS matters of the mind (not fancy productions or restorations), allows for the odd human mistake to sit relatvely unnoticed among the other mind reading hits that we do have.

It really boils down to your attitude and approach to mentalism that defines whether you are a magician or a mentalist, not just do you physically perform 'mentalism style' tricks inside your act.
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Mar 8, 2016 10:47AM)
As many have pointed out, Steam is a brilliant principle. the only issue with it, is good routining.

I came up with a presentation shortly after it was first released, and it's the most impossible card trick I've ever performed.

I didn't want to use Steam in an obvious way, and to let the audience know that somehow I know what has been written, whilst good, wasn't good enough for me. I decided to use Steam covertly, to gain advance information, in order to set up a killer effect.

I won't tell you the particular effect it was for, but Steam tidied everything up beautifully.

Using paper money as a wager seemed like the simplest and most innocent way to use the device. There MUST be a motivation for the "move"......and a comedy moment seems obvious. I usually reduce my bet from a £20 to a £10. Or, other times, I'll start with £5, and double the money every time I make an incorrect guess in the "game".

Either way, the routining using money effortlessly disguises all the dirty work...and in my presentation, the audience is never even aware that I know the chosen number. But the tidy-up work that's accomplished as a result makes the impossible possible, and will fry even the sharpest spectators.
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Mar 8, 2016 12:09PM)
[quote]On Mar 8, 2016, Potty the Pirate wrote:

<snip>

I usually reduce my bet from a £20 to a £10.

<snip>
[/quote]

I like the comedy potential in this. You could also swap the banknote for play money. This would also solve the problem of what you do if you can't get an accurate read - just lose the bet and give them the money.

Mike
Message: Posted by: ManchurianMan83 (Mar 8, 2016 12:23PM)
I have to say, I don't get this idea of using bank notes as 'bets'.
Betting somebody you can do something is the wrong way round.

Usually it's the spectator that challenges the performer in such a way.
'Read my mind..I bet you 10 you can't'

The performer setting up the challenge is in a way cheating..because it's the performer who's money is at stake, and it's the performer who's setting the rules of the challenge...of course he's going to win.

Do Steam with THEIR tenner they challenge you with!
That's when it makes far more sense to use that approach.

Besides which, setting up a 'challenge mentality' in your spectator is rarely a wise idea, especially with money involved, as it invites them to be as scrutinous and awkward, making things as unnecesarily difficult as they wish in order to 'beat you'.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 8, 2016 12:26PM)
[quote]On Mar 6, 2016, Matthew Crabtree wrote:
[quote]On Mar 6, 2016, bluesmagic wrote:
Wouldn't a wallet be ok too ? [/quote]

No you use a magazine to cover the wallet [/quote]

Hahahaha to be fair what a very funny post - although wasted as people probably don't know the irony in that joke. So for the clarification this inventor was the THIEF at Blackpool who stole a wallet from Dave Bonsall's stand by deliberately placing a magazine on the table covering the wallet, then picking the mag back up in the action of using a bit of slight of hand to pick the wallet up as well. Concealing it under the magazine then casually walking off. Caught on CCTV and now proven to be him :mad:
Message: Posted by: ManchurianMan83 (Mar 8, 2016 12:33PM)
[quote]On Mar 8, 2016, ManchurianMan83 wrote:
I have to say, I don't get this idea of using bank notes as 'bets'.
Betting somebody you can do something is the wrong way round.

Usually it's the spectator that challenges the performer in such a way.
'Read my mind..I bet you 10 you can't'

The performer setting up the challenge is in a way cheating..because it's the performer who's money is at stake, and it's the performer who's setting the rules of the challenge...of course he's going to win.

Do Steam with THEIR tenner they challenge you with!
That's when it makes far more sense to use that approach.

Besides which, setting up a 'challenge mentality' in your spectator is rarely a wise idea, especially with money involved, as it invites them to be as scrutinous and awkward, making things as unnecesarily difficult as they wish in order to 'beat you'. [/quote]

Equally, if you're a magician, or a mentalist, who's job it is to perform these amazing feats day in, day out, why do you need to go around betting people you can do it? Just...do it! (picture Shia Lebeouf :p)

Does a plumber come round and say 'bet you a tenner I can fix your leak'...I should bloody hope so mate!
No, but you pay the plumber when he does!

It's just an odd course of action for a working magician to take IMO, to need to offer financial challenge to prove your ability to perform when that's why you're there to begin with.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Mar 8, 2016 12:50PM)
[quote]On Mar 8, 2016, ManchurianMan83 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 8, 2016, ManchurianMan83 wrote:
I have to say, I don't get this idea of using bank notes as 'bets'.
Betting somebody you can do something is the wrong way round.

Usually it's the spectator that challenges the performer in such a way.
'Read my mind..I bet you 10 you can't'

The performer setting up the challenge is in a way cheating..because it's the performer who's money is at stake, and it's the performer who's setting the rules of the challenge...of course he's going to win.

Do Steam with THEIR tenner they challenge you with!
That's when it makes far more sense to use that approach.

Besides which, setting up a 'challenge mentality' in your spectator is rarely a wise idea, especially with money involved, as it invites them to be as scrutinous and awkward, making things as unnecesarily difficult as they wish in order to 'beat you'. [/quote]

Equally, if you're a magician, or a mentalist, who's job it is to perform these amazing feats day in, day out, why do you need to go around betting people you can do it? Just...do it! (picture Shia Lebeouf :p)

Does a plumber come round and say 'bet you a tenner I can fix your leak'...I should bloody hope so mate!
No, but you pay the plumber when he does!

It's just an odd course of action for a working magician to take IMO, to need to offer financial challenge to prove your ability to perform when that's why you're there to begin with. [/quote]

It's not really an odd action for a magician. It's a magic trick essentially so there's a lot of leeway for humor and fun bits like "let's make a bet!" It's ill fitting for a mentalist though. If one could really read minds, certainly one would not be running around going "I can prove it to you! I'll even put up money!" In the real world, a person who could really read minds likely wouldn't boast about it and instead would go about stealthily using their powers for personal gains.
Message: Posted by: ManchurianMan83 (Mar 8, 2016 01:00PM)
[quote]On Mar 8, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
It's not really an odd action for a magician. It's a magic trick essentially so there's a lot of leeway for humor and fun bits like "let's make a bet!" It's ill fitting for a mentalist though. If one could really read minds, certainly one would not be running around going "I can prove it to you! I'll even put up money!" In the real world, a person who could really read minds likely wouldn't boast about it and instead would go about stealthily using their powers for personal gains. [/quote]

I agree it's definately an ill fitting action for a mentalist, but I'd still argue it's odd coming from a working magician too.
You're still someone who is obviously there to do magic, presumably the reason you got the gig is you're capable, so the need to 'over prove' with money in such a moment still feels out of place for me.
I get the potential 'comedy aspect', but the overall concept as a whole cheapens things a bit.

Magic is about wonder and amazement.
When did it suddenly become about putting money on the line?
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Mar 8, 2016 08:00PM)
Armchair mentalists lol. They know everything.
Message: Posted by: ManchurianMan83 (Mar 8, 2016 08:25PM)
I only ever speak from experience.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 8, 2016 08:43PM)
[b]Back on topic please.[/b] :)

Thank you!

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: CSArscott (Mar 9, 2016 03:29AM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2016, Michael Daniels wrote:
In the UK, these are the exact same pens (fine point) as sold with Steam 2.0

http://www.amazon.co.uk/BiC-DVD-Permanent-Marker-Black/dp/B0000AQO8V

Mike [/quote]

I ordered these a couple of days ago and got "BIC Marking CD-DVD", which do not work at all, not GPM11-BLACK. Which supplier are people using.
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Mar 9, 2016 04:05AM)
It's all about the routining, people! The bar bet scenario is totally logical. I have a whole series of "games" like this, in which the spectator wins something if the trick goes wrong (or if they win the game).

It's no different to a TV game show, the contestants never put up any money of their own. This is perfectly normal, and it would add complications to expect a spectator to put up their own money.

I let the spectator win in the end, by having made a correct prediction. But, by then, they only win my business card. :)
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Mar 9, 2016 05:27AM)
[quote]On Mar 9, 2016, CSArscott wrote:
[quote]On Mar 2, 2016, Michael Daniels wrote:
In the UK, these are the exact same pens (fine point) as sold with Steam 2.0

http://www.amazon.co.uk/BiC-DVD-Permanent-Marker-Black/dp/B0000AQO8V

Mike [/quote]

I ordered these a couple of days ago and got "BIC Marking CD-DVD", which do not work at all, not GPM11-BLACK. Which supplier are people using. [/quote]

Yes, beware of this - the ones I received yesterday are also NOT the ones advertised in the link and do NOT work!

Though both are "tuxedo black" the duff ones I received have silver tops and are "ultra fine point".

On the other hand, they are nice pens and cheap enough. Not worth sending back.

For comparison, the pen supplied with Steam 2.0 is the one on top. The duff pen is underneath.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Mar 9, 2016 06:02AM)
These work well and are cheap

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marking-Permanent-Marker-3-7-5-5mm-Chisel/dp/B000071LUQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=officeproduct&ie=UTF8&qid=1457524841&sr=1-2&keywords=bic+marking+pen
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Mar 9, 2016 06:09AM)
[quote]On Mar 9, 2016, Sean Giles wrote:
These work well and are cheap

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marking-Permanent-Marker-3-7-5-5mm-Chisel/dp/B000071LUQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=officeproduct&ie=UTF8&qid=1457524841&sr=1-2&keywords=bic+marking+pen [/quote]

I'm not keen on the chisel tip. And, for some weird reason, these can't be delivered to the Isle of Man.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Mar 9, 2016 09:36AM)
[quote]On Mar 9, 2016, Michael Daniels wrote:
[quote]On Mar 9, 2016, Sean Giles wrote:
These work well and are cheap

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marking-Permanent-Marker-3-7-5-5mm-Chisel/dp/B000071LUQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=officeproduct&ie=UTF8&qid=1457524841&sr=1-2&keywords=bic+marking+pen [/quote]

I'm not keen on the chisel tip. And, for some weird reason, these can't be delivered to the Isle of Man.

Mike [/quote]

there is another version with the same size barrel but a narrower tip. It looks like it's the same ink but I haven't tried it so can't guarantee it. They are very cheap.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marking-Permanent-Marker-3-7-5-5mm-Chisel/dp/B000071LUQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=officeproduct&ie=UTF8&qid=1457524841&sr=1-2&keywords=bic+marking+pen [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Mar 9, 2016 10:01AM)
[quote]On Mar 9, 2016, Sean Giles wrote:
there is another version with the same size barrel but a narrower tip. It looks like it's the same ink but I haven't tried it so can't guarantee it. They are very cheap.
[/quote]

The way I read the ad is that the narrower tip is just the narrow dimension of the same chisel tip.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Mar 9, 2016 11:10AM)
[quote]On Mar 9, 2016, Michael Daniels wrote:
[quote]On Mar 9, 2016, Sean Giles wrote:
there is another version with the same size barrel but a narrower tip. It looks like it's the same ink but I haven't tried it so can't guarantee it. They are very cheap.
[/quote]

The way I read the ad is that the narrower tip is just the narrow dimension of the same chisel tip.

Mike [/quote]
Sorry, I think I posted the same link twice. It the one below. The tip is half the size of the chisel tip.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B000071LUP/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1457543283&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=Bic+2000&dpPl=1&dpID=51aH1tQkB-L&ref=plSrch
Message: Posted by: cheesewrestler (Mar 9, 2016 11:17AM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, Michael Mindreader wrote:
Do you think audience would be able to tell the difference between mental magic and mentalism? [/quote]

Yes.
Message: Posted by: cheesewrestler (Mar 9, 2016 11:18AM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, Sean Giles wrote:
[quote]On Mar 7, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Mar 4, 2016, Bill Hegbli wrote:
World Products Review just discussed it on their latest show.
It is the last product discussed. [/quote]
[/quote]

yeah cause mind reading is important stuff right? ;) [/quote]

If you make your living at it, yes.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Mar 9, 2016 12:23PM)
Hey guys,

Just got this, as I also had the original Steam.

For those of you that own David Stone's ZENITH.

If you make up a gimmick, you can use the gimmick already made up to hold the sheet, and thus no need to use the glue.

For those of you that have Steam and/or Zenith will understand.

The peek is totally justified.

Another idea: You can do Asi Wind's ACAAN, without the card box.

Have them write down a card, lets say 5 H, then a number next to it, lets say 38.

Then you do the method for Asi's ACAAN, and since the spectator doesn't know you already know the information, the secret move can be done in the open now.

Just tried it on myself twice, and it worked a charm.

Thanks

Alex
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Mar 15, 2016 07:56AM)
Why won't I buy this? Because Ali is a thief. He stole from a dealer at this years Blackpool convention but was caught on camera. Although he apologised and eventually paid for the item he offered up some BS excuse why he did it.

There is no excuse for stealing. Therefore putting money in his pocket seems wrong.
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 15, 2016 12:56PM)
I have a Method to do Effect handsoff. You can leave the room
and send them a whatsapp message from outside of the Room. Your Hand never comes near the Writing.

If you want to know the Mechanics, just send me an e-mail to: order@rasmusmagic.ch

Don't forget to send me a Purchase Proof, ok?

Best Wishes

Rasmus

PS: perhaps I'll shoot a little Demo
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Mar 15, 2016 01:22PM)
Your method sounds interesting Ramus.
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Mar 16, 2016 03:17PM)
GREAT ideas, rasmus. :applause: Your 'WhatsApp' method may be my 'go to' approach to this. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 16, 2016 05:24PM)
Very appreciated :)
Message: Posted by: DrRob (Mar 17, 2016 04:07PM)
Hi All,

I'm after some more breathable card in the United Kingdom- any help would be greatly received.

Thanks
Rob
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 17, 2016 10:28PM)
Next time I perform steam, I do it like this:

i let them cover their drawing with their shoe (drawing on the floor). I leave the room and call the
participant via phone to try and guess his thought. I miss and come back into the room and tell them, that
i know a guy that will try over the phone to read their mind.

i let them call the number and the guy on the phone (a friend of mine) will exactly desribe their drawing.

what do you think folks?
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 17, 2016 10:30PM)
[quote]On Mar 17, 2016, rasmus wrote:
Next time I perform steam, I do it like this:

i let them cover their drawing with their shoe (drawing on the floor). I leave the room and call the
participant via phone to try and guess his thought. I miss with the excuse, that my concentration is not at a maximum level and come back into the room and tell them, that
i know a guy that will try over the phone to read their mind.

i let them call the number and the guy on the phone (a friend of mine) will exactly desribe their drawing.

what do you think folks? [/quote]
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Mar 17, 2016 11:28PM)
Used rasmus' hands off (shoe) idea (on the heel)for a gig this afternoon in a local bar. It absolutely KILLED! Thanks again for sharing your genius with us.
Message: Posted by: Dark Knight (Mar 18, 2016 02:12AM)
The exact trick and method rasmus has described was explained in chrismatt's [b][i]Little Nicky & Other Oddities[/i][/b] published back in 2010 (the third part of his trilogy on the Steam principle). I've used it many times and it KILLS! (As does many of the wonderfully devious methods and very commercial routines in his three books.)
Message: Posted by: mtmagic (Mar 18, 2016 08:27AM)
I bought some Avery business cards in matte finish and they work well, I don't know if the Avery brand is available in the United Kingdom but any matte finish should work. They are a lighter weight card stock and bleed through a bit but that gives you more motivation to have the spectator cover it with either the envelope or the card box. I've come up with a set up that allows for a quicker reset if using a card box. PM me if your interested.

Dan
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Mar 19, 2016 06:28AM)
Well don't lkie the envelope idea I had one spec give me the envelope back and that was that, he knew how I done it because he accidently turned it over a bit,can't afford to have that happen,lol, I will stick to my note pad routine work's everytime.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Mar 19, 2016 06:32AM)
[quote]On Mar 19, 2016, Fire Starter wrote:
Well don't lkie the envelope idea I had one spec give me the envelope back and that was that, he knew how I done it because he accidently turned it over a bit,can't afford to have that happen,lol, I will stick to my note pad routine work's everytime. [/quote]

You ask them to lift their hand a little to slide the envelope out. You shouldn't ask them to pick up the envelope and hand it back to you. Tell them exactly what you need them to do and they will follow your instructions. If you want to be super safe, you take the envelope after they have slid it out partially.
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Mar 19, 2016 08:09AM)
[quote]On Mar 19, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Mar 19, 2016, Fire Starter wrote:
Well don't lkie the envelope idea I had one spec give me the envelope back and that was that, he knew how I done it because he accidently turned it over a bit,can't afford to have that happen,lol, I will stick to my note pad routine work's everytime. [/quote]

You ask them to lift their hand a little to slide the envelope out. You shouldn't ask them to pick up the envelope and hand it back to you. Tell them exactly what you need them to do and they will follow your instructions. If you want to be super safe, you take the envelope after they have slid it out partially. [/quote]yes see where yo are coming from,i was a little off the ball that day,but just kinda not like the way of doing it,horses for courses I suppose.
Message: Posted by: CharlieC (Mar 29, 2016 04:39PM)
This in stock anywhere in the US?
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Mar 31, 2016 06:53PM)
[quote]On Mar 29, 2016, CharlieC wrote:
This in stock anywhere in the US? [/quote]

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/6717
Message: Posted by: cheesewrestler (Mar 31, 2016 09:53PM)
[quote]On Mar 29, 2016, CharlieC wrote:
This in stock anywhere in the US? [/quote]


Vanishing, Inc.

Presto Magic Studio

probably any store that gets stuff from Murphy's Magic
Message: Posted by: Bro Gilbert (Apr 1, 2016 01:28PM)
Refills should now be available from all of your favourite dealers :) We will also be updating the Steam 2.0 download area with some creative new handlings and approaches that have been submitted in the not to distant future. Thank you all for your brilliant ideas and continued support.
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Apr 1, 2016 01:32PM)
[quote]On Apr 1, 2016, Bro Gilbert wrote:
...We will also be updating the Steam 2.0 download area with some creative new handlings and approaches that have been submitted in the not to distant future.[/quote]

Great! Appreciate your keeping us advised.
Message: Posted by: neurostand (Apr 5, 2016 12:38PM)
The envelope-routine failed the wive test for me. The money routine works much better... Don't know why I did not try that one first.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Apr 5, 2016 12:53PM)
[quote]On Apr 5, 2016, neurostand wrote:
The envelope-routine failed the wive test for me. The money routine works much better... Don't know why I did not try that one first. [/quote]

Or maybe you know, perform for actual lay people? LoL.
Message: Posted by: Dark Knight (Apr 5, 2016 05:32PM)
[quote]On Feb 21, 2016, chrismatt wrote:
I was that Café member and the year was 2010. The history concerning my discovery and use of the principle is described in detail in those manuscripts, which were sold to a limited number of mentalists with their promise not to discuss or review the contents therein.

German mentalist Chester Sass and I corresponded that year after he received a copy of one of my three manuscripts. He seemed quite enthusiastic about it, even though he also had independently come up with the same underlying principle. The late Dick Christian also seemed quite enthusiastic when, years ago, I wrote to him about my [i]Sub Rosa Book Test[/i] ideas. I have a note from him that reads, in part, “Meanwhile, yes, your description of how you use Sub Rosa...IS a very practical method that is unlikely to be detected. The fact that Sub Rosa obviates the need for any writing to be done using the book itself as the "desk" is beautiful and, as far as I am aware, something no one else has thought of.”

I could go on and on, but let me say that I am surprised that more work has not been done to develop this beautiful principle. My manuscripts, detailing my work over the past ten years, went in many and varied directions. I am happy to say that, over the years, I've heard back from a few who actually read and applied the information I described. Several of those applications are marvelous!

As a gift to those of you who know the underlying principle, let me describe a simple effect, derived from one of the applications described in my books: S writes down a number on a plain business card, turns it face down and covers it with a salt or pepper shaker. In one presentation, a little pepper is poured into the hand as the S concentrates on her number. Suddenly the pepper starts to "come alive" and forms the very number the S is thinking of! Of course, you never touch the card.

Finally, thanks to those of you who've contacted me about the availability of my manuscripts. It's been six years now since they were published and they are now almost all gone. The "kit" versions contained some very useful material (for example, specially made index cards that worked beautifully with the principle--the marker writing did not bleed through like ordinary, crappy index cards) and loads of the other special material. Of course, rather than be a supplier of this easily obtainable material, I described in my books where anyone could purchase the stuff for cheap.

Good luck!
CM
chrismattx@gmail.com [/quote]

The trilogy is apparently becoming more widely known. A review was just published by distinguished Café member NeilS: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=614202&forum=303#0

I got these three books six years ago and must say they contain some of the best kept secrets in mentalism! The work is absolutely brilliant and much of it extremely practical. I've used many of the devices, inventions, routines and ideas described in the trilogy for quite some time. They are among the best information retrieval devices I've ever seen or used. 100% effective and deceptive, with TONS of advice about markers, card stock, clever handlings, ingenious applications, etc.
Message: Posted by: Adam Kadabra (Apr 6, 2016 04:21AM)
I hope I don't repeat anything already mentioned, but I think the Trailer and description to be very misleading- similar to Phantom by Peter Eggink. The thing you desperatly need is not even shown in the trailer. It is sold an amazing method to know what somebody wrote. Yes you do not have to add or remove something secretly- but you have to do it anyways. It is a peek technically and I think the method is absolutly not motivated, it just doesn't make any sense to me. IIn my opinion, this is just a Ghost with less motivation. I really looked forward to it and I relly do not want to drag any creator down, but if it was as good as the description, one does not need to manipulate the trailer or put misleading info in the description. I'm giving it back- if you have a Ghost or basically any impression device- use that, it's way more useful.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Apr 6, 2016 05:05AM)
[quote]On Apr 6, 2016, Adam Kadabra wrote:
I hope I don't repeat anything already mentioned, but I think the Trailer and description to be very misleading- similar to Phantom by Peter Eggink. The thing you desperatly need is not even shown in the trailer. It is sold an amazing method to know what somebody wrote. Yes you do not have to add or remove something secretly- but you have to do it anyways. It is a peek technically and I think the method is absolutly not motivated, it just doesn't make any sense to me. IIn my opinion, this is just a Ghost with less motivation. I really looked forward to it and I relly do not want to drag any creator down, but if it was as good as the description, one does not need to manipulate the trailer or put misleading info in the description. I'm giving it back- if you have a Ghost or basically any impression device- use that, it's way more useful. [/quote]

Pm me and I will give you an idea of how to perform my version that doesn't look suspicious

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Apr 6, 2016 08:35AM)
[quote]On Apr 6, 2016, Adam Kadabra wrote:
I hope I don't repeat anything already mentioned, but I think the Trailer and description to be very misleading- similar to Phantom by Peter Eggink. The thing you desperatly need is not even shown in the trailer. It is sold an amazing method to know what somebody wrote. Yes you do not have to add or remove something secretly- but you have to do it anyways. It is a peek technically and I think the method is absolutly not motivated, it just doesn't make any sense to me. IIn my opinion, this is just a Ghost with less motivation. I really looked forward to it and I relly do not want to drag any creator down, but if it was as good as the description, one does not need to manipulate the trailer or put misleading info in the description. I'm giving it back- if you have a Ghost or basically any impression device- use that, it's way more useful. [/quote]

Ghost has even less motivation. Why is the person writing on a card if you have a notepad? Plus you handle the card as well so if you think about it, there's more handling with Ghost. There's also the envelope, yes on one hand it makes the information even more hidden but on the other hand it's additional handling of everything. You're reading thoughts are you not? If that is what you are trying to present then you should not draw so much attention to the card being written/drawn on.

I'm sure most of you have likely not bothered to think these things through all that much. I implore you all to get your hands on Michael Murray's A Piece of My Mind and read his thoughts on billet work. How he has a spectator write down information is truly invaluable and you will learn quite a bit in regards to how to handle and treat billets (writing on a card is essentially the same thing).
Message: Posted by: jackaboy (Apr 6, 2016 06:55PM)
I know I'm a little late but I just picked this up at a convention and it is awesome soon great I love this
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Apr 7, 2016 04:10AM)
[quote]On Apr 6, 2016, jackaboy wrote:
I know I'm a little late but I just picked this up at a convention and it is awesome soon great I love this [/quote]

If you want my alternative handling... If you don't like the one on the DVD then pm me..

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Apr 8, 2016 09:33AM)
Been doing this since Blackpoll and I have been using my handling and it gets amazing reactions... I showed it to one of my most skeptical friends...I normally can't get anything past him...I presented this as a psychology routine and it killed him!! Buy this...but don't use the handling they give....

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Apr 8, 2016 10:35AM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
Been doing this since Blackpoll and I have been using my handling and it gets amazing reactions... I showed it to one of my most skeptical friends...I normally can't get anything past him...I presented this as a psychology routine and it killed him!! Buy this...but don't use the handling they give....

Sleepy [/quote]

The handlings they provide are workable. The fact that you've tried to present it as a psychology routine is a red flag if you were trying to do a mind read. On what planet is psychology a plausible explanation for a mind read? Maybe when you're trying to figure out which list item is selected, where a hidden object is, etc. Ok, in that context psychology could be used because it's plausible that influence and suggestion was involved. When you're doing a drawing dupe or trying to read a thought, psychology plays no part unless the plot you're going for is mind control. However, mind control =/= mind read.

Perhaps your handling really only applies to whatever you're using it for but for the purpose of a mind read demonstration, what is provided is more than workable and solid, in which your handling may actually be no good for such an application of the Steam principle.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Apr 8, 2016 10:41AM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
Been doing this since Blackpoll and I have been using my handling and it gets amazing reactions... I showed it to one of my most skeptical friends...I normally can't get anything past him...I presented this as a psychology routine and it killed him!! Buy this...but don't use the handling they give....

Sleepy [/quote]

The handlings they provide are workable. The fact that you've tried to present it as a psychology routine is a red flag if you were trying to do a mind read. On what planet is psychology a plausible explanation for a mind read? Maybe when you're trying to figure out which list item is selected, where a hidden object is, etc. Ok, in that context psychology could be used because it's plausible that influence and suggestion was involved. When you're doing a drawing dupe or trying to read a thought, psychology plays no part unless the plot you're going for is mind control. However, mind control =/= mind read. [/quote]

By psychology what I mean is...well let me explain...they think of a number between 1 and 1000...I tell them to write it down etc. Then I say to them to think of their first digit and then I count from 1-9 out loud and explain that I will try and guess the first digit through facial expressions and changes.... I do this with all of their digits...write it down and obviously its right
....believe it or not all of the people I have done this for believed 100% that I figured it out through their facial expressions even through I told them to keep their best poker face

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Apr 8, 2016 10:51AM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
Been doing this since Blackpoll and I have been using my handling and it gets amazing reactions... I showed it to one of my most skeptical friends...I normally can't get anything past him...I presented this as a psychology routine and it killed him!! Buy this...but don't use the handling they give....

Sleepy [/quote]

The handlings they provide are workable. The fact that you've tried to present it as a psychology routine is a red flag if you were trying to do a mind read. On what planet is psychology a plausible explanation for a mind read? Maybe when you're trying to figure out which list item is selected, where a hidden object is, etc. Ok, in that context psychology could be used because it's plausible that influence and suggestion was involved. When you're doing a drawing dupe or trying to read a thought, psychology plays no part unless the plot you're going for is mind control. However, mind control =/= mind read. [/quote]

By psychology what I mean is...well let me explain...they think of a number between 1 and 1000...I tell them to write it down etc. Then I say to them to think of their first digit and then I count from 1-9 out loud and explain that I will try and guess the first digit through facial expressions and changes.... I do this with all of their digits...write it down and obviously its right
....believe it or not all of the people I have done this for believed 100% that I figured it out through their facial expressions even through I told them to keep their best poker face

Sleepy [/quote]

So again, not a mind read really because what you have demonstrated there could be a suggestion/influence type plot. I use Steam mainly for drawing dupes and reading a thought of word/name/etc.

With your routine, the provided handling would have worked well, because you telling them that you’re reading their expressions, etc. Their attention would automatically be on them trying to watch you watch for facial expressions.

The only way that the provided handling (I’m speaking of the envelope handling) would fail is due to the following: 1) not having a motivation for having the envelope 2) making a fuss when trying to get the envelope back. The first point is easy to overcome because the instructions does give you a great motivation for introducing the envelope (has to do with shapes, people who own this and watched the instructions would know what I’m talking about). The second point, you really just have to have a non-chalant attitude towards it. It’s not a move. It’s not a big thing to draw attention to. You simply just need something to jot thoughts down on. Treat it as such. They don’t question it because you told them why you are doing what you’re doing (again, don’t make a big deal out of it, don’t make any deal out of it). The same reason why your participant and audience believes that you did what you did was through facial expressions works applies to point 2. You state something as is and they will take it at face value, as long as you are not wishy washy about it.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Apr 8, 2016 11:02AM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:
Been doing this since Blackpoll and I have been using my handling and it gets amazing reactions... I showed it to one of my most skeptical friends...I normally can't get anything past him...I presented this as a psychology routine and it killed him!! Buy this...but don't use the handling they give....

Sleepy [/quote]

The handlings they provide are workable. The fact that you've tried to present it as a psychology routine is a red flag if you were trying to do a mind read. On what planet is psychology a plausible explanation for a mind read? Maybe when you're trying to figure out which list item is selected, where a hidden object is, etc. Ok, in that context psychology could be used because it's plausible that influence and suggestion was involved. When you're doing a drawing dupe or trying to read a thought, psychology plays no part unless the plot you're going for is mind control. However, mind control =/= mind read. [/quote]

By psychology what I mean is...well let me explain...they think of a number between 1 and 1000...I tell them to write it down etc. Then I say to them to think of their first digit and then I count from 1-9 out loud and explain that I will try and guess the first digit through facial expressions and changes.... I do this with all of their digits...write it down and obviously its right
....believe it or not all of the people I have done this for believed 100% that I figured it out through their facial expressions even through I told them to keep their best poker face

Sleepy [/quote]

So again, not a mind read really because what you have demonstrated there could be a suggestion/influence type plot. I use Steam mainly for drawing dupes and reading a thought of word/name/etc.

With your routine, the provided handling would have worked well, because you telling them that you’re reading their expressions, etc. Their attention would automatically be on them trying to watch you watch for facial expressions.

The only way that the provided handling (I’m speaking of the envelope handling) would fail is due to the following: 1) not having a motivation for having the envelope 2) making a fuss when trying to get the envelope back. The first point is easy to overcome because the instructions does give you a great motivation for introducing the envelope (has to do with shapes, people who own this and watched the instructions would know what I’m talking about). The second point, you really just have to have a non-chalant attitude towards it. It’s not a move. It’s not a big thing to draw attention to. You simply just need something to jot thoughts down on. Treat it as such. They don’t question it because you told them why you are doing what you’re doing (again, don’t make a big deal out of it, don’t make any deal out of it). The same reason why your participant and audience believes that you did what you did was through facial expressions works applies to point 2. You state something as is and they will take it at face value, as long as you are not wishy washy about it. [/quote]

I understand what you are getting at... And I only used the DVD handling 8 times and the main two reasons I didn't like it is because 1) even after basing my routine on influence and making the envelope completely irrelevant AMD just something to jot ideas on....around 4 people said that the ink "leaked" onto the envelope...obviously this isn't the case but some people had suspicions even through my best efforts...

And number 2) around 5 peoples impressions were wobbly because they had been moving the envelope around...unintentionally..in or under their hands whilst I was talking to them....this made the impression just about readable for most but one or two I couldn't get so I just used my sw*** gimmick as an out.....so it was quite unreliable that's why

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Apr 8, 2016 12:43PM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, Sleepymentalism wrote:

I understand what you are getting at... And I only used the DVD handling 8 times and the main two reasons I didn't like it is because 1) even after basing my routine on influence and making the envelope completely irrelevant AMD just something to jot ideas on....around 4 people said that the ink "leaked" onto the envelope...obviously this isn't the case but some people had suspicions even through my best efforts...

And number 2) around 5 peoples impressions were wobbly because they had been moving the envelope around...unintentionally..in or under their hands whilst I was talking to them....this made the impression just about readable for most but one or two I couldn't get so I just used my sw*** gimmick as an out.....so it was quite unreliable that's why

Sleepy [/quote]

Yeah, the blobby impressions, was a pain in the butt initially. I had to rework my verbal instructions to make sure they wrote things down the way I needed them to write things down (big and bold so everyone else can see it clearly later).

The leaky ink assumption from the audience, that one is easily managed if you ask them "That's a nice thick card and you can't see through it correct? Let's also put this on top for good measure."
Message: Posted by: robd (Apr 8, 2016 02:54PM)
If anyone has Weber's Seer wallet, the card can be kept in there and brought out for the spectator to write on, and then placed on top with the other paper in the peek position in the wallet. Then pick up the wallet to get out another card to write on, peek, put wallet away, duplicate, and you're done.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Apr 8, 2016 04:02PM)
Kissdadookie, welcome back!
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Apr 8, 2016 05:40PM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, lunatik wrote:
Kissdadookie, welcome back! [/quote]

Yeah buddy.
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Apr 12, 2016 03:19PM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2016, robd wrote:
If anyone has Weber's Seer wallet, the card can be kept in there and brought out for the spectator to write on, and then placed on top with the other paper in the peek position in the wallet. Then pick up the wallet to get out another card to write on, peek, put wallet away, duplicate, and you're done. [/quote]

Reasonably close to the Blind Man's Wallet - which, by the way, I'm using with great success as a supplement to Steam...
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Apr 12, 2016 03:50PM)
Can relate to what people are saying about the envelope and what they are thinking,just do not like this approach and just use a bank note or a card box and play a routine around those 2 item's,work's for me.
Message: Posted by: Paul Edmondson (Apr 16, 2016 06:12PM)
Performed this today at two weddings and the reactions were outstanding. Used it in collaboration with my imagination. That's all you need. You have a miracle with you. Go ahead and make the most of it.
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (May 4, 2016 02:58PM)
[quote]On Apr 1, 2016, Bro Gilbert wrote:
...We will also be updating the Steam 2.0 download area with some creative new handlings and approaches that have been submitted in the not to distant future... [/quote]

Any time frame for this?
Message: Posted by: BillyBear (May 7, 2016 10:54AM)
Received Steam 2.0 yesterday and already am loving performing it to my mates - another great effect to add to my collection.

Billy
Message: Posted by: those2magicians.adam (May 29, 2016 10:29AM)
Hi all.

I have used a large number of peek devices and loved all of them. This is the first one I am not a fan of. Most magicians have bought a product based on the promo description and felt let down, and this has been my one.. the line in the video that says you can leave the room and "you will know that information" is extremely cheeky! You could apply the same logic to any effect before the 'peek move' has been carried out. I have followed all the instructions and still getting very weak images coming through. I bought this as a potential replacement to Psypher which is fantastic - purely on the idea of knowing that information without returning to the information written. Without giving this away, no you don't have to go back to the card, but you have to get extremely freekin close and in my opinion, in a more obvious way then some other peeks on the market. The principle itself is very clever how ever but I will happily send a video of me using this to the creators to see where I am going wrong with the weak images. Sorry for the negative post, for the record I am a big fan of products released through Paul Harris but I thought I would share this in case anybody else debates purchasing this, based on the above.
Message: Posted by: rowland (May 29, 2016 01:20PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2016, those2magicians.adam wrote:
Hi all.

I have used a large number of peek devices and loved all of them. This is the first one I am not a fan of. Most magicians have bought a product based on the promo description and felt let down, and this has been my one.. the line in the video that says you can leave the room and "you will know that information" is extremely cheeky! You could apply the same logic to any effect before the 'peek move' has been carried out. I have followed all the instructions and still getting very weak images coming through. I bought this as a potential replacement to Psypher which is fantastic - purely on the idea of knowing that information without returning to the information written. Without giving this away, no you don't have to go back to the card, but you have to get extremely freekin close and in my opinion, in a more obvious way then some other peeks on the market. The principle itself is very clever how ever but I will happily send a video of me using this to the creators to see where I am going wrong with the weak images. Sorry for the negative post, for the record I am a big fan of products released through Paul Harris but I thought I would share this in case anybody else debates purchasing this, based on the above. [/quote]

Honestly you must be doing something wrong,or something you are using is not working correctly. The impressions I get are unmistakable.
Message: Posted by: scott0819 (May 31, 2016 12:49PM)
Sorry if this has been answered, roughly how long does it take the impression to "set"?
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Jun 4, 2016 08:27PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2016, rowland wrote:

Honestly you must be doing something wrong,or something you are using is not working correctly. The impressions I get are unmistakable. [/quote]

Mine as well - particularly with the materials which came with the 'kit.' I also have, and love, The Blindman's Wallet, but honestly, Steam is so good that it has pretty much replaced that....
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Jun 4, 2016 08:28PM)
[quote]On May 31, 2016, scott0819 wrote:
Sorry if this has been answered, roughly how long does it take the impression to "set"? [/quote]

Haven't timed it, but I'd say no more than ten or fifteen seconds.
Message: Posted by: those2magicians.adam (Jun 6, 2016 12:17PM)
Thanks for the response. Are you guys performing as per the routines? As in mainly using the envelope? Maybe I haven't worn in my pen enough or putting too much glue on which is hindering it or something..?
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Jun 6, 2016 12:23PM)
[quote]On Jun 6, 2016, those2magicians.adam wrote:
Thanks for the response. Are you guys performing as per the routines? As in mainly using the envelope? Maybe I haven't worn in my pen enough or putting too much glue on which is hindering it or something..? [/quote]

I've tried most of the routines, but use the 'bill wager' most often. As to the pen, I ordered extras from Amazon, and all of them seem to work great right out of the box.
Message: Posted by: vanishintoair (Jun 17, 2016 10:36AM)
I usually don't combine mentalism with my magic, however the pure organic nature of "Steam" which leaves spectators speechless fits in very well. As you know, it's self-working so the entire effect depends upon your presentation and why you're doing it in the first place. I carry the effect in one of those plastic wallets used for packet tricks. On one side of the wallet is the paper and on the other side is the envelope with a blank face bicycle card in it; I put the wallet and pen in my pocket and I'm ready to perform a miracle.
I laughing introduce the effect by saying that when people hear I'm a magician they think I can read their minds as they make that assumption because I know what card they selected, etc. I engage them a bit with this and then tell them that I can't read minds however I am very sensitive to numbers. I pull out the wallet and offer to demonstrate what I mean. I hand them the paper and show them the envelope saying it holds a playing card. I ask them to think of a number between 1 and 1000 and ask them to write it on the paper while I turn away. I ask them when they're done and tell them I don't want to see anything so please turn the paper face down- when I turn around I again tell them I don't want to see anything so I put the envelope on the paper and further ask them to put their hand over the envelope.
I them tell them I am going to put my hand on theirs for a moment and when I do so I want them to concentrate on the number.
After a second or two I look at them and remove my hand saying please hand me the envelope. A bit ballses but so far no one has ever turned the envelope over to hand it to me- that's not the way you would hand someone an envelope. I hold the envelope up saying in it there's a playing card and I remove the card, put down the envelope, and turn the card around showing that it has a blank face. I take the pen and tell them I am going to write a number down. As I write each number I'll look at them and smile. I then put the playing card face down next to their paper and ask them to turn the paper over and read the number they've chosen; then I tell them that I'm committed to the number that I wrote down and ask them to turn the playing card over and read my number. Their jaw drops- the numbers are the same.

:jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump:
Message: Posted by: blurrylines (Jun 18, 2016 02:01AM)
I pretty much exclusively use the picture routine. For me, the power is in the justification of everything...
Message: Posted by: Supersmooth_ Magic (Jun 18, 2016 06:41AM)
[quote]On Feb 9, 2016, Titanas wrote:
This looks so good!!!
One of the best mentalist's secrets just got perfect.
Everything from the items used, choreography, routining is totally justified in this version.
I predict that this will be an instant classic and the most organic way to achieve drawing duplications and mind reading effects.

See trailer and all the details here:
http://www.murphysmagic.com/Product.aspx?id=55146

Best regards,
Titanas [/quote]

Great effect! - I may buy this!! to add to the mentalism I do - which isn't a lot. But was there an edit around 04:15?

Just after watching and purchasing sands mind effects, I have come to the conclusion that a good 95% of their trailers are over hyped, been cut out to look 'impossible dream effects' or are misleading!

So I am a little more cautious of what I buy.

Can they their pen or do they have to use the sharpie and card you hand them!?
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 18, 2016 12:18PM)
Supersmooth, I love this method but you won't like it.
You obviously haven't read many pages in this thread.
You use your pen and card but at least there is no clean up required.
Message: Posted by: salcioppa (Jun 21, 2016 10:57PM)
I like this trick. Used the envelope routine a dozen times now and no one ever questions it. I carry this with me and use it a lot. No one has had a clue how it's done.
Message: Posted by: MartinCohen84 (Jun 28, 2016 08:23AM)
Hi all. This is my first post. I've got lots of great information from the Café over the years so I thought It was time I contributed.
Firstly I love Steam 2.0, the money version. You can usually count on the Paul Harris presents label to be solid products.

Quick tip. I ran out of the card stock supplied and didn't have time to order the refills but found an acceptable substitute.
I used an Artists Watercolour Pad, acid free 300 GSM. Approx AUD$15 each. It came in 12 large A3 sheets at my local office supply store in Sydney.
Any similar brand with the same specs should work, just check it in store with the Steam gimmick.
This paper doesn't give as BOLD an imp*****on. I will still buy the proper Steam 2.0 refills, however it definitely does the job when you're in a pinch.

I also paid $20 to have them cut the two watercolour pads down to my preferred size of roughly half a business card.
Now I have about 1500 half cards separated into 120 little pads of 12 cards each. Very convenient to carry and each pad is protected by the front and back cover of the watercolour pad.
I plan on using these mainly for practice and testing out ideas and save the Steam 2.0 refills for actual performances.

Here's a link to a photo of the finished cards. http://bit.ly/298cHal
I hope this is helpful.

Cheers
Martin.
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jun 28, 2016 10:58AM)
Thanks for the information about the temporary card stock , I think one of my shop in my area carries it , lucky enough that I can get some practice refills at a walking distance away .
Message: Posted by: Wayne Liew (Jul 1, 2016 12:03AM)
I'm having a hard time reading the impression. Using the supplied pen, the copied image/word is always blurry and sometimes, words overlapping (not sure if there is such a word).
Any recommendation?
Message: Posted by: rowland (Jul 1, 2016 02:38AM)
You are better off using numbers or a picture
Message: Posted by: Legendary Wizard (Jul 3, 2016 06:04AM)
Overlap ? Did your spectator's hand move too much while she was covering the paper or envelope ? That'll cause the impression to be blurry too .
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Sep 15, 2016 08:25PM)
[quote]On Jul 3, 2016, Legendary Wizard wrote:
Overlap ? Did your spectator's hand move too much while she was covering the paper or envelope ? That'll cause the impression to be blurry too . [/quote]
I just got this and only used it three times.
I tried it on my wife and she didn't let me take out the envelope. Her hand was moving and resisting.
By the time I got it, the impression was blurred to the point that I couldn't read it.
She was just trying to be funny, but I learned something from it.
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Sep 15, 2016 08:32PM)
Like I said, I just got this.
I'm pretty sure that I will be using this often.
So here's the question.
What kind of paper do I need for the spectators' card? (The one he writes on)
I want to order new business cards and it would be great if I get the correct paper.
Construction paper?
Should I give the printer a sample?
Perhaps he should give me a sample to test?
It would be nice if there was a generic name for the paper type.
Thanks,
Message: Posted by: bentleymagic (Sep 28, 2016 01:35PM)
Just performed this for my wife and she questioned the envelope straight away a soon as I took it back. Anyone else had this?
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Sep 28, 2016 05:00PM)
Only married ones :)
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Sep 28, 2016 06:41PM)
Why don‘t you do it with bills? The way that Bro teaches in the video?
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Sep 29, 2016 01:54AM)
There are so many options.
Bills, Invisible deck,, etc.
I'm having a lot of fun with this.
The best part is coming up with new options.
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Nov 12, 2016 11:06AM)
Title: Steam 2.0
Creator: Ali Nouira
Publisher: Paul Harris presents
MSRP: $ 45
Skill Level: all
DVD Run time: 1 hour

Type of effect: mentalism reveal of a written prediction

Manufacturer's Write Up:

ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST INGENIOUS MIND-READING SECRETS PERFECTED! by Ali Nouira. Based on Marc Salem's BROTHER OF ALL DUPLICATIONS PRINCIPLE

You instantly know what she secretly wrote on a blank business card...while the face-down card is covered by her hand -- or a bunch of hands -- or even a book!
THE PERFECT PROPS
THE PERFECT PRESENTATION
THE PERFECT SECRET
THE PERFECT EVERYTHING!

Watch the Demo Now: Seriously. When you see the STEAM 2.0 method, you'll need a moment of astonished silence to take in the sheer steamy beauty of the ingenious secret.

YOU NEVER HAVE TO TOUCH OR EVEN SEE THE CARD...YET YOU ALWAYS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SHE HAS DRAWN!

You can even turn your back while the spectator writes her secret word and covers it with her hand (and whatever else she wants to cover it with). You can even have a spectator cover your eyes with her hands. You can even be in a different room and direct her over the phone. And yet, when you come back into the room, you can still discover her secret word or drawing!

ENOUGH SECRET STUFF FOR 100 PERFORMANCES

Plus! A Bonus set of 50 STEAM 2.0 bill gaffs for an out-of-your-wallet "money hustle" presentation. And YES! You even get Two (2) Fortune Telling Fish for the Steamed Red Herring presentation.

* REFILL PACKS WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

STEAM 2.0 THE PERFECT SECRET FOR THE PERFECT STEAM.

How accurate is the ad copy? I didn't find anything deceptive

What's in the box? Everything you need to perform - and build and maintain this trick. You'll be able to perform this 100 times with what is provided.

Key points: STEAM 2.0 comes complete with plenty of steamy new presentations.

· Very Very Easy to do. STEAM 2.0 is basically self-working.
· No carbon copies. No electronics.
· Special blank business card stock stays completely blank on the back after writing.
· No one can see through the back of the card.
· You never have to "peek" the card.
· 5 second reset.
· Adapt to your own Sharpie.
· Completely self contained.
· Nothing to secretly load, switch or ditch.
· Everything can be examined.

How are the production values: Very similar to other PH products. It's shot well with a good camera and sound. It's basically Bro Gilbert teaching you from a living room environment (in Canada).

Is it well made: PH Presents have spent a lot of time finding the absolute perfect materials to use for this effect.

Is it well taught: Bro Gilbert gives you multiple ways to use the gimmick, most of the video is alternate handlings from the original. Bro always explains the effect first to the camera and then a live performance follows.

My thoughts (what I personally liked/disliked): I loved that everything you needed was included - even the glue stick. I wish more creators thought this in-depth.

Storage? Does it "pack flat?" This is the quintessential of "packs flat & plays big" all you need to carry is some small paper products and a pen

Difficulty / Skill level required: The actual effect is so easy, it's basically self working

How much arts and crafts are involved? very little

How practical is this in the real world? (can it really be done?) Not only can it be done, it can be done RIGHT AWAY! Your angles are minimal and your peek is so organic. This is going to fit in seamlessly with any effect you have where the spectator needs to write something down.

Overall score: let's toss out the traditional score of 1-10 and make this something that we all can appreciate and understand.

X Very Satisfied
_____ Somewhat Satisfied
_____ Neither Satisfied or Dissatisfied
_____ Somewhat Dissatisfied
_____ Very Dissatisfied
_____ No Opinion

I love everything about this - love the teaching - love the ideas - "Why haven't' I been using a fortune telling fish before!" The effect is so magical and so cost effective and so easy! Everything is awesome from Paul Harris - buy this right now!

+ Hey do you want to see my full review with even more of my opinions and ideas? Visit this link for my video review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s8RnM5kgzw
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Nov 12, 2016 05:32PM)
Bentleymagic wrote:

[quote]Just performed this for my wife and she questioned the envelope straight away a soon as I took it back. Anyone else had this?[/quote]

Magician's wives always have a great deal of magic knowledge even if the magician doesn't realize it.

Beyond that, she's going to know exactly what kind of note paper and envelopes are around the house and whether or not you would normally even know where an envelope was.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Nov 12, 2016 05:47PM)
I always find it interesting when people say you can't fool your wife or family.

I think that is true to an extent, but I also feel that friends and family often say out loud the things that spectators are silently thinking to themselves.
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Nov 12, 2016 09:06PM)
Interesting you should say that, Martin. That's true to an extent.
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Nov 13, 2016 06:59AM)
[quote]On Nov 12, 2016, MeetMagicMike wrote:
Magician's wives always have a great deal of magic knowledge even if the magician doesn't realize it.

Beyond that, she's going to know exactly what kind of note paper and envelopes are around the house and whether or not you would normally even know where an envelope was. [/quote]

It also depends on people's intelligence. And probably a lot I would say. My mother knows almost everything I have. Yet, most of the time, when I do an effect, she has no idea how it's done. She's quite naive to a point it's charming.

In any case, one thing that help to hide the method, is to have a good reason to take the envelope back. If you ask her to write, say, an element (fire, water, wind, earth, etc...), you pick the envelope and show you have four papers, (one with fire written on it, one with water, etc...), and you proceed to eliminate them one by one, until one's left, which is what she has written.
Message: Posted by: jruiz0216 (Nov 15, 2016 12:56AM)
This effect is great!!
To those worried about justification I'd say stick with the bill version.
I've also tweaked the use of the fortune telling fish. As I am getting into the effect I tell spec that I will enlist some help but leave it at that (patterwise there is more to it but that is the gist of it). After they are done and they cover the card with the envelope. I tell led them I wasn't quite being honest about my help. I tell them that I need the envelope back as my little helper is in the envelope. (Again patterwise there is more I'm just summarizing)
From there I continue forth with Bro's patter about the fortune telling fish.....
Message: Posted by: JordanD (Dec 1, 2016 12:16PM)
Ok, heres a presentational idea I've been using. I get them to write/draw whatever they like on the card and turn it face down while my back is turned. I then ask "Is it ok to turn around?... you can't see through the card right?" they of course say yes. I turn around and almost as an afterthought I then say "here ill place my phone on top for a minute while I explain what it is I need you to do."
I then say "I'm going to turn away again in a second and I need you to pick the card up one more time and burn every detail of this image/word into your mind by staring at it for 4/5 seconds then pop the card into a pocket out of sight and let me know when your done! then when I turn back around I want you to imagine a big white blank canvas and redraw the image in your minds eye as close to that image as you can while I look into your eyes ok?" I then put my hand on my phone turn my head away before starting to pick it up and now I have all the time in the world too the necessary to get my information. I then duplicate the info on another card or the palm of my hand if its a one off for friends.....

My iPhone has a shiny plastic case that helps with what needs to be done... that should make sense to owners of the effect.

My apologies for my terrible explanation skills in advance.

Hope this presentational idea is good for some people :)
Message: Posted by: Ihop (Dec 1, 2016 04:56PM)
[quote]On Dec 1, 2016, JordanD wrote:
Ok, heres a presentational idea I've been using. I get them to write/draw whatever they like on the card and turn it face down while my back is turned. I then ask "Is it ok to turn around?... you can't see through the card right?" they of course say yes. I turn around and almost as an afterthought I then say "here ill place my phone on top for a minute while I explain what it is I need you to do."
I then say "I'm going to turn away again in a second and I need you to pick the card up one more time and burn every detail of this image/word into your mind by staring at it for 4/5 seconds then pop the card into a pocket out of sight and let me know when your done! then when I turn back around I want you to imagine a big white blank canvas and redraw the image in your minds eye as close to that image as you can while I look into your eyes ok?" I then put my hand on my phone turn my head away before starting to pick it up and now I have all the time in the world too the necessary to get my information. I then duplicate the info on another card or the palm of my hand if its a one off for friends.....

My iPhone has a shiny plastic case that helps with what needs to be done... that should make sense to owners of the effect.

My apologies for my terrible explanation skills in advance.

Hope this presentational idea is good for some people :) [/quote]

See!
That's what I like about this forum.
Creative ideas being shared.
That was good thinking. I my use that.
Thanks Jordan
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 2, 2016 12:43PM)
[quote]On Dec 1, 2016, JordanD wrote:
Ok, heres a presentational idea I've been using. I get them to write/draw whatever they like on the card and turn it face down while my back is turned. I then ask "Is it ok to turn around?... you can't see through the card right?" they of course say yes. I turn around and almost as an afterthought I then say "here ill place my phone on top for a minute while I explain what it is I need you to do."
I then say "I'm going to turn away again in a second and I need you to pick the card up one more time and burn every detail of this image/word into your mind by staring at it for 4/5 seconds then pop the card into a pocket out of sight and let me know when your done! then when I turn back around I want you to imagine a big white blank canvas and redraw the image in your minds eye as close to that image as you can while I look into your eyes ok?" I then put my hand on my phone turn my head away before starting to pick it up and now I have all the time in the world too the necessary to get my information. I then duplicate the info on another card or the palm of my hand if its a one off for friends.....

My iPhone has a shiny plastic case that helps with what needs to be done... that should make sense to owners of the effect.

My apologies for my terrible explanation skills in advance.

Hope this presentational idea is good for some people :) [/quote]

Great idea. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Dec 4, 2016 05:15AM)
If you wear a PK Ring, take a piece of the Cardboard Paper and shim it. should be small
enough to be hidden in your Palm. Cover the Paper that's on the Table (a bit smaller then the Cardboard)
and casually cover it with the Hand that has the hidden shimmed Cardboard Paper, to show them, what they should do, then say, wait, better you also cover it with your other Hand (One on Top of the other). gives you more time to get a better Impression.

When you lift up your hands, The Cardboard automatically stucks in your Hand, turn over and take a glimpse or move your hands together as for praying to get the glimpse. then ditch it in your pocket to retrieve a pad
and do the Drawing Dup.

Enjoy and have Fun. :gift:
Message: Posted by: Mike Criphone (Dec 10, 2016 11:25PM)
Always works flawless with the standard routine. Justification, not necessary. After capturing the envelope to write on, don't look at the envelope (still "deciphering" the number with eye contact) until you are ready to write. It's really very clean. Brilliant!
Message: Posted by: SigmaMagic (Jan 18, 2017 05:49AM)
I really like the discussion in here about Steam 2.0.
Just bought it and hopefully in the next few months I'm able to share my thoughts about it.
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Jan 26, 2017 02:13PM)
I really like this for many of the reasons already mentioned in this thread. I find absolutely no reasons for justifying any of the material. It's just a matter of treating this as mentalism and not magic, meaning give the performance a little time (time misdirection). I do the Fortune teller fish rutine and has a card with the Square Circle drawing on one page, trying to transmit a thought to them, just as a varm up sequence (also to justify that you cannot see through the card in anyway). From there I go into the fortune telling fish rutine, and ask them for simplicity to think of a 2 digit number (maximum a 3), but I don't want to make it too impossible. When they hand me the fish, the impression device goes to my pocket, and the by-play with the fish and them counting loud from 0 to 10 a couple of times, and everybody has forgotten everything about the procedure and the "device". The fish will make them laugh and everybody will loose track of what happened earlier. If you have been performing any mentalism rutines earlier this will go down easy. Most of the "justification" questions in this thread reminds me of the same questions I had when I moved from magic in to mentalism. I can tell you for sure, nobody will come close to the secret if you take your time and has a little bit of confidence. It's much easier than using a TT in magic.

Great effect, honest and straight forward. Highly recommended.

:genielamp:
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (Feb 15, 2017 05:25AM)
I like the concept, but the product doesn't really line up with the work I do. I'll sell or trade mine to anyone interested in PM'ing me.

If there's another place I should put this, feel free to pull this down.
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Mar 19, 2017 05:08PM)
I've narrowed this down to a few items, the pen, the envelope, a single billet and a generic 52 on 1 card. I slide the card backside down into the envelope and tell my spectator that a "real magician" wouldn't need a deck of cards, but could divine any chosen "thought of" card - and that my prediction is already in the envelope.

I bet you can see where this is going...
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 20, 2017 04:29PM)
[quote]On Mar 19, 2017, DavidKenney wrote:
I've narrowed this down to a few items, the pen, the envelope, a single billet and a generic 52 on 1 card. I slide the card backside down into the envelope and tell my spectator that a "real magician" wouldn't need a deck of cards, but could divine any chosen "thought of" card - and that my prediction is already in the envelope.

I bet you can see where this is going... [/quote]

Love this Idea, thank you for sharing with us:)
Message: Posted by: videoman (Mar 20, 2017 05:36PM)
[quote]On Mar 19, 2017, DavidKenney wrote:
I've narrowed this down to a few items, the pen, the envelope, a single billet and a generic 52 on 1 card. I slide the card backside down into the envelope and tell my spectator that a "real magician" wouldn't need a deck of cards, but could divine any chosen "thought of" card - and that my prediction is already in the envelope.

I bet you can see where this is going... [/quote]

I do essentially the same thing but instead of using cards I ask them to imagine they are holding any object in the world that they could hold in one hand easily.
Inside the envelope is a photo that I pull out just enough that they can see part of the photo, and push it back inside.

Then I do the routine as usual, with the justification for removing the envelope and showing them my prediction on the photo inside the envelope.
The photo is just a gag (similar to the 52 on 1 card mentioned above) but it is a photo of me holding a cardboard packing box from Amazon.
I say this is me holding the box your item came in. A ridiculous gag I agree but it gives me enough justification to do the work and then provide a moment of astonishment.

It fits my style so no one has ever questioned it as being anything other than a stupid joke. When I first started doing this I used the 52 on 1 card as well but wanted to make the odds even higher and also take it out of the realm of seeming to be another card trick so I came up with this. It has worked great for me, YMMV. But with a little thought I'm sure it's possible to come up with a myriad of reasons to justify taking the envelope back.
Another nice touch is to put a sticker on the back of the photo with your contact info and give it to them as a souvenir.
Message: Posted by: drphil (Apr 25, 2017 07:32PM)
Simple, envelope labeled prediction on it. The 52 on 1 gag card in the envelope. They cover their thought of card written down with the provided envelope as you explain you don't want to see any bleed trough of their card. Wait then take envelop back for gag reveal. Then use invisible deck for final reveal. This is just one way to use it. I also use it with a acaan with mem deck.
Message: Posted by: Magic Life (Apr 26, 2017 07:46AM)
Its one of the darkest underground secret used for dublication, no funny move, straight to effect, it's really a real effect to be said.

Best..
Magic
Message: Posted by: 453rob (Jun 19, 2017 11:26PM)
I love this effect and have done it for my friends and family. They are so stumped. Love the idea with the Amazon box or 52 on 1 card and invisible deck. Anyway, I am in the process of ordering business cards. I want to make sure that they work with Steam 2. Does anyone have any advice of what kind of cardstock I should get. I am in Canada so paper weight is expressed in lbs. Bro Gilbert does not mention in the explanation what kind of paper he uses for the cards. I imagine uncoated and matte would do it. JUst how thick so it doesn't bleed through. Any advise please.
Message: Posted by: luckyram (Sep 29, 2017 11:02PM)
Great effect and kills every time - Some !@#$%^& however has posted the effect & it's secret for free on a media site. This is such a great method whose secret should be protected that I hope it can be pulled down on copyright infringement basis. Can anyone get word to the inventor or Paul Harris?? I have the website address but I don't want to post it here as it is exposure.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Oct 21, 2017 03:41PM)
Steam 2.0 – Ali Nouira

Product description : Peek methods have been around for decades, if not centuries ! I’ve seen a lot of them, I’m not a mentalist at all but I like to do mental magic. Steam was released some time ago, I already did a French Video review on it and here we are with the 2.0 version. As with most peeks, the idea is the same, you ask someone to draw or write something down on a piece of paper, they hide it or put it back and you’re able to know what they have been drawing. Steam relies on a very clever and devious method but is it worth your money ? Let’s find out !

Price and where to buy it : This is sold at $44.95 and you can find it in nearly every Murphy's magic « partner » shop !

What you get : The first version of Steam was released a long time ago and you got a ziplock bag with a printed sheet of paper inside, packaging was not the best. With Steam 2.0, they provide you with a very nice cardboard box, with shining gold writing on it, typical Paul Harris quality product. Inside, you will find a few things such as a marker which is ungimmicked but works very well for the “work”. You also get some envelopes, they are specially made for Steam 2.0 and you won’t be able to find them anywhere else, as well as a glue stick because some of those envelopes were not glued, maybe a production problem. You’re also provided with the special stock paper cut as a business card size so it can fits anywhere and people can write on it. Finally, you get 2 fortune telling fishes which are part of a routine taught in the download. In the download, which is very nicely edited (as with every Paul Harris product), you’ll find a lot of history, information about the trick, as well as some routines and ways of doing the peek. Overall, you get a lot for your bucks, I’m not disappointed at all !

Teaser : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfLGZpgtoxU

The pros and the cons : Here is the core of my review, let's begin with the cons, as I will usually be doing, I prefer to keep the good things for the end.

THE CONS :
– You can use the envelope only 2 times before having to use a new one, so you will have to buy refills if you do this a lot ! Fortunately, those refills are quite cheap so it shouldn’t cost you a lot.
– You have to put something down on the paper on which they wrote, it’s not a problem with the proper patter but still, it may feel weird for some people.

THE PROS :
– The packaging was lacking in the first version, this one is perfect, again, it’s not important for the trick but it’s nice to receive something this well made, it makes you feel you spent well your money.
– I’ve seen quite a lot of peek techniques and this one is definitely the cleverest that I’ve seen, the principle in play is just magical in itself, you can’t even think of the beginning of the method.
– The paper card that are provided are much more nicer than the previous ones (in the first edition, Ali gave you orange paper you had to cut down), they actually now look like real blank business cards !
– You never touch or come near the card they’ve been writing on, the method allows you to be nearly hands off when it comes to this card.
– The gimmick is now made into envelopes which is the best idea that have been found for Steam ! It makes a lot more sense to me to take out the piece of paper from an envelope and put this envelope to cover the paper than randomly put a deck, a bill or anything else on top of it.
– They provide you with everything you need, you can perform this as soon as you receive the package, which is very nice, you don’t have to go out and buy additional stuff.
– They have been thinking about routines to do with it, the addition of the fortune telling fish is very clever since the fish comes in play not only in the routine but also in the method !
The video has been nicely filmed and edited, it adds a lot to the whole thing, seen live performances and clear explanations is a key point.

Overall rating : If you like what you see on the video, you won’t be disappointed with it, it’s a very clever method and it works well, unfortunately, I have other peek techniques which I use and I won’t switch to Steam 2.0, 3/4 hearts.

As for the difficulty level, except from spectator management and a good routine, you don’t need any “skill” to perform this, I would say 2/5 stars.

Similar products : Peeks have been around for years, I use a wallet called “The Viper Wallet” which is my everyday card holder but you’re free to use the one which suits you the best.

If you liked this review, make sure to check all my other ones on my website : http://lesavisdalexis.wixsite.com/reviews
Message: Posted by: JSBLOOM (Dec 6, 2019 06:39PM)
I slide the card backside down into the envelope
A brilliant idea of why you take back the envelope......
I also like the money idea......
And of course if you you cover the cards with your own hands.....
Message: Posted by: dirtyfoucault (Jan 12, 2021 04:35PM)
Belatedly bought this over Xmas. Pretty much agree with everyone disappointed by the instruction video. The routines seem to really under-deliver on the promise of this great utility. The use of the envelope is just so unconvincing - particularly given how small and flimsy it feels - I can’t believe that’s the handling they lead with. Waq.

Does anyone if a Facebook group was ever set up for sharing ideas? I’ve looked but Steam isn’t the most search-friendly term...
Message: Posted by: thecromulent (Jan 12, 2021 04:55PM)
I like the handling with the fish. The envelope seems so incidental. I bought a package of the fish on Amazon for just a few bucks, and I give one away each time.

Evan
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 13, 2021 12:40PM)
[quote]On Jan 12, 2021, dirtyfoucault wrote:
Belatedly bought this over Xmas. Pretty much agree with everyone disappointed by the instruction video. The routines seem to really under-deliver on the promise of this great utility. The use of the envelope is just so unconvincing - particularly given how small and flimsy it feels - I can’t believe that’s the handling they lead with. Waq.

Does anyone if a Facebook group was ever set up for sharing ideas? I’ve looked but Steam isn’t the most search-friendly term... [/quote]

It’ll be bottom drawer rubbish by now unfortunately.
Message: Posted by: dirtyfoucault (Jan 14, 2021 04:41AM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2021, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jan 12, 2021, dirtyfoucault wrote:
Belatedly bought this over Xmas. Pretty much agree with everyone disappointed by the instruction video. The routines seem to really under-deliver on the promise of this great utility. The use of the envelope is just so unconvincing - particularly given how small and flimsy it feels - I can’t believe that’s the handling they lead with. Waq.

Does anyone if a Facebook group was ever set up for sharing ideas? I’ve looked but Steam isn’t the most search-friendly term... [/quote]

It’ll be bottom drawer rubbish by now unfortunately. [/quote]

Ha, not quite yet. Sure there's plenty of potential, I just need to work on getting more consistent impressions. The instructions aren't great though. Definitely prefer Psypher...
Message: Posted by: dirtyfoucault (Feb 24, 2021 10:53AM)
Hey guys. Does anyone what thickness of the Canson-style paper/card provided works best with Steam 2.0? I'm running low having been on an experimentation binge. I've tried Canson 224g/ms and 180 g/ms but the pen ink reads through both of these paper stocks. Rather than just buy every other stock known to man just thought I'd check whether someone could point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance.

(Sorry if this has already been mentioned somewhere else but there are 25 pages in this thread and search wasn't throwing anything up).