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Topic: Watch Little Big Shots Tomorrow night if you love MAGIC.
Message: Posted by: TaylorReed (Apr 2, 2016 07:54PM)
My kids will be performing magic on the Little Big Shots Tv show tomorrow night on NBC>

watch it if you like Magic,

Taylor Reed
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (Apr 4, 2016 12:27AM)
I do like magic... I love magic. I also like you, Taylor. I'm really torn because I, like you, would want to do anything to help my kids be seen... Even if it means putting them on camera with some pushbutton magic that requires no ability whatsoever. I understand as a father what that must be like. I also understand as an illusionist what it does to our art to have it reduced to something that virtually anyone with no skill, talent or ability whatsoever can do. I admire you as a parent for promoting your kids in anyway possible. As a illusionist, I question whether or not it advances the public's perception of our art and craft. No matter what anyone else says, I'm sure they are great kids and you love them dearly.
Message: Posted by: TaylorReed (Apr 4, 2016 06:12AM)
All I can say is don't expect a pat on the back from magicians without a dig.
Magician are unlike any artist I have ever seen. Instead of being happy for the young, they get mad.

The little singers and ice skaters etc.
Never get this type of treatment.

We should all love and be happy that Magic is on TV in any form and not get down to thinking of button pushing.

I love you too Ray.

But God Bless.

Magicians really need to get over their magic props and take a pill.

Thanks,

Taylor Reed

David Copperfield told me when I started magic that their are more haters than lovers..
I know that you are just stating your Opinion, but I have seen many gross things said thus far.


I see little to NO love from magicians. Not that I guess it matters.

If you every expect anything from magicians when it comes to support, you will be disappointed.

And that would be my opinion.

I love Magic and Illusions and I would never do anything to try and hurt magic. I think that what they did was two solid illusions and I would like to thank Greg Wilson for being there for us with the Time Machine prop. AKA modern Cabinet.



I guess magicians would be better off not saying anything.. And if you look at this thread.... That is what they say.... NOTHING

God bless all magician. I still love you all.

BUT, I must say that magician are more unloving than any other art form hands down.

I know this because I'm a drummer and a singer and artist .... All the other things that I'm into, people from the same fields give hugs..

Thanks for giving us your opinion and I guess that maybe I should learn to leave the magicians out on what we are doing..

I started performing magic when I was 4 years old and I had many many haters when I would perform magician conventions. I would still win them and **** off the old people that couldn't stand the fact that I had more magic than them. Magic has been good to me and I have always stayed focused on my goals and what I'm trying to accomplish and not let the small things slow me down.. Staying positive in this negative world can be a challenge. Personally, I think that exposure is a bad thing. I didn't really like what the Mask man did.. That is something to be mad about, but not seeing a kid perform illusions. They also do close up and stage magic as well. The producers wanted big.. That is what we gave them. I'm sure you being in California would understand that you must do what they want when you do TV>

Thanks,
Taylor Reed
Message: Posted by: MagicSA (Apr 4, 2016 07:11AM)
You are so right, Taylor! There are so much negativity, pessimism and sometimes hatred amongst magician and illusionists. It's unlike any other field. Even on these forums you must think about every single word you write, because people will tear you apart, even if you have the best of intentions. It's a community that many should not be proud to belong to. One where you only care about yourself and put down anybody who tries to do something to promote the art. I know I am generalizing here, but it often feels that magicians and illusionists like to bash one another and have a superiority complex where they know best and only they can stand in the spotlight. We should never forgot that the only way an art form grows, is by many artists coming together and evolving together. Otherwise it's just every person for him or herself being bitter and criticizing everyone else. Magic is suppose to be exactly that - magical. It's suppose to be enjoyed by the practitioners and be a beautiful thing.
Message: Posted by: Chad Sanborn (Apr 4, 2016 09:54AM)
I for one am against using kids to further my own dreams/goals. But if the kids really want to do it, then I don't see any problem.
All to often in these situations its the parents who push the kids into living some unfulfilled fantasy of theirs. And that is sad.
I didn't see the show, nor do I know Taylor. So I won't make a comment as to what this is really about.
But I do see another problem. And that is when magicians belittle each other over jealousy and their own insecurities.
It happens all to often. And that is a bigger problem and will damage magic far more than a parent who puts his kids on
tv.
That kind of hypocrisy devours the community from the inside out.

My 2 cents
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (Apr 4, 2016 12:41PM)
I completely understand your point of view. I also agree that the kid musicians, skaters, tap dancers and others on that show do seem different as they are showing a specifically demonstrable talent of some sort. This applies to any age group. I've seen you work and I truly feel that you are very talented and bring a lot of charisma, talent and showmanship to all you do. I've also seen many people (I'm specifically not calling them magicians or illusionists) on current televised magic shows who do not have that talent, charisma or personality. All they do have... are big props. They are what people called in the past "furniture salesman". They bring nothing to the table except for the props. This is what I feel is not great for magic as it gives the public the perception that anyone can do this. In order to succeed and grow as an art form we have to be brutally honest with public perception about what we do. The old show business expression, "Can't sing? Can't dance? Can't act? Try magic" still haunts us. Most of the time you see magic performed in beauty pageants, it is typically as a last resort for someone that has no other discernible talents. We have to be honest and know that this does not help our art evolve. Even when magic was done on Circus of the Stars, it was always for someone who didn't want to take the time to practice anything that took actual skill. As we are fighting to try and gain respect in the entertainment industry, we must always do everything we can to create magic that does require skill, talent and artistry. We owe it to our future generations to build a true art form we can all be proud of.
Message: Posted by: TaylorReed (Apr 6, 2016 12:32PM)
Here is the video of the full act

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEy7kxMB0AE

Here is a shorter clip that was put up by NBC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqQndFPo8q4&feature=youtu.be

11 million people saw the show. WOW, that is a lot of people. This is a hit show and they are going world wide with it.
We should embrace the change and be happy for the future of magic. NBC is larger than any of our opinions. LOL

Have a great day.
Taylor
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Apr 6, 2016 12:43PM)
For what it's worth, I thought they did great! :applause:
Message: Posted by: Magic Researcher (Apr 6, 2016 04:19PM)
The kids were not obviously nervous or unprepared. They exposed nothing. The magic was understandable. The young lady has great stage presence. The young man accepted his role in life. This is more than I could say for many adults who try to do magic shows. The duo did just fine and daddy should be proud.
MR
Message: Posted by: Chad Sanborn (Apr 6, 2016 09:34PM)
[quote]On Apr 4, 2016, Ray Pierce wrote:
I completely understand your point of view. I also agree that the kid musicians, skaters, tap dancers and others on that show do seem different as they are showing a specifically demonstrable talent of some sort. This applies to any age group. I've seen you work and I truly feel that you are very talented and bring a lot of charisma, talent and showmanship to all you do. I've also seen many people (I'm specifically not calling them magicians or illusionists) on current televised magic shows who do not have that talent, charisma or personality. All they do have... are big props. They are what people called in the past "furniture salesman". They bring nothing to the table except for the props. This is what I feel is not great for magic as it gives the public the perception that anyone can do this. In order to succeed and grow as an art form we have to be brutally honest with public perception about what we do. The old show business expression, "Can't sing? Can't dance? Can't act? Try magic" still haunts us. Most of the time you see magic performed in beauty pageants, it is typically as a last resort for someone that has no other discernible talents. We have to be honest and know that this does not help our art evolve. Even when magic was done on Circus of the Stars, it was always for someone who didn't want to take the time to practice anything that took actual skill. As we are fighting to try and gain respect in the entertainment industry, we must always do everything we can to create magic that does require skill, talent and artistry. We owe it to our future generations to build a true art form we can all be proud of. [/quote]

Ray, I think we are on the same side here. Too many bad magicians get booked and do horrible stuff that brings the rest of us down. Its an uphill battle for sure. Copperfield is working on fixing that right now with a legislative bill that would recognize magic as an art form. Unfortunately all who do magic, aren't artists. I wish more people in the magic community would step up and have the guts to say to bad magicians that they should stop performing. Contrary to popular belief, not everyone should be in pictures.

A friend of mine who is an artist said it best. Some people paint, some people make paint. One can't exist without the other.
Same in magic as in life. Understanding where you honestly fit best is the road to happiness.
Message: Posted by: gimpy2 (Apr 7, 2016 07:06AM)
Don't forget Kids like seeing kids doing magic. Im sure many kids will be inspired to take up magic after seeing this on TV. I would much rather see two kids doing self working stage magic than a pro doing card tricks on a big screen.