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Topic: Levitation
Message: Posted by: jcmagicman (May 15, 2016 10:24AM)
What levitation is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxRFMJmumb0
Message: Posted by: john wills (May 15, 2016 11:11AM)
Yogano & Partner (search on YouTube)
It's created by themselves.
Performed for the first time at F.I.S.M. (many moons ago)
Message: Posted by: knownmagician (May 15, 2016 12:07PM)
It's called JUNIOR and explained on his book "The Magic of Yogano" but still it is very difficult to build.

It is very mechanical. Hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: Tally_NSA (May 15, 2016 12:11PM)
[quote]On May 15, 2016, jcmagicman wrote:
What levitation is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxRFMJmumb0 [/quote]

This is a performance of that Yogano levitation by Jonathan and Charlotte Pendragon on the UKs "Best of Magic" series 1989:

[youtube]WvJdrc4uxOc[/youtube]

Some interesting history about this: Jonathan originally approached Yogano Senior to get his permission to perform the levitation. Yogano initially turned him down. Then David Copperfield did the same, and Yogano turned him down too. Later, Charlotte approached Yogano, and using her feminine wiles, managed to finally persuade him to agree.
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (May 15, 2016 12:35PM)
Jonathan always sought a 360 levitation. I've seen many levitations that pivot in some way but they always tend to "point" to and define the support for me. The whole purpose of the g**s*n*ck is to visually distance the support from the thing or person being levitated. As soon as you do any rotation, you simply direct the audiences attention to the actual support. There is a bed levitation that is mechanically brilliant in its method but as soon as the girl rotates, you know exactly where she is being supported from. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you always should.
Message: Posted by: funnymagic (May 15, 2016 01:26PM)
Anyone know who makes this levi? 10 minutes in : https://youtu.be/WZIw7IvSJgo
Message: Posted by: john wills (May 15, 2016 01:56PM)
Gentleman, my opinion is that the Yogano jr. levitation is different in modus operandi from this levitation of the Pendragons.
This can't be the place to tell exactly how they both work, but note that the the illusion of Yogano j.r. is on a clear (plexiglass) table.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (May 15, 2016 05:14PM)
TALLY - I saw Yogano do that levi live and it was fantastic.
Message: Posted by: Lou Hilario (May 15, 2016 08:37PM)
When I was in Belgium during the 80s, he used to sell that for US$12000.00. You and your assistant needed to be measured by him personally. Also saw it thrice performed by his son. I was dying to have this but I could not afford it before. He also used to sell a suspension version of this.
Message: Posted by: Sorcerer (May 16, 2016 12:50PM)
[quote]On May 15, 2016, john wills wrote:
Gentleman, my opinion is that the Yogano jr. levitation is different in modus operandi from this levitation of the Pendragons.
This can't be the place to tell exactly how they both work, but note that the the illusion of Yogano j.r. is on a clear (plexiglass) table. [/quote]
John, you're completely right. Both versions (Yogano / Pendragons) are completely different in terms of method. Perhaps for an untrained eye they seem to work the same, but I can assure not.
Message: Posted by: Sorcerer (May 16, 2016 12:54PM)
[quote]On May 15, 2016, funnymagic wrote:
Anyone know who makes this levi? 10 minutes in : https://youtu.be/WZIw7IvSJgo [/quote]
It looks like an "Spontus levitation" You can search more info in this forum, it has been mentioned several times here. The official web is http://www.spontus360.com/
Message: Posted by: john wills (May 16, 2016 02:33PM)
Funnymagic,
Sorry, I almost forgot to answer your question.The levitation in your link is the Spontus (from France).

Sorcerer,
Of course both levitations (Yogano's and Pendragons) are totally different. I know the inner workings of both of them, that's why I knew the right answer.
Thanks for your support, the different answers dwelled the wrong way.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Pendragon (May 22, 2016 02:38PM)
EXCUSE ME! You have got to be kidding me. I created the 360 levitation which was built by John Gaughan and performed by me on the 1986 Disney Special three years before The Best of Magic. it was built by John in 1985. I never asked anybody's permission for MY method! I did ask Mark Wilson for permission to present it as a "platform levitation" which had already been taken by other illusionist, he was grateful that I was the first person to actually ask and gave me permission. Platform levitations were created to avoid "going through the floor." I also talked to Barclay Shaw who had done a 360 levi years earlier. His method involved a cape and rotating with the girl. His breakthrough was the glass box which David Copperfield got permission for in his jungle levitation piece. David also used my 360 methodology and has acknowledge my innovation. Barclay upon seeing my levi on TV said, "Wow I wish I had thought of that" to which I replied, "I wish I had thought of the glass box." I never even talked to Yogano, and I certainly never asked for his permission for anything. His 360 levitation's didn't appear until after mine. This said Yogano's levitation work with methodology I won't discuss in the open is brilliant. In 2007-8, in Spain, Yogano's son gave a one of his father's levitation as a present for my influence on the effect! Please do more research and get your facts straight or stay off the forum. And Ray, you should know better because you were around when all this went down back in the 80s. Do you have any idea how difficult my flying hoop pass is? Here is a hint, no one has ever recreated it. I designed the movement and the hoop to accomplish this like I designed the hoop and the articulate arm for my version of Jim's Pole Suspension which just appeared on the CW's Masters of Illusion. Tally, your comments are BS and border on defamation. Regardless of the problems that brought our marriage to an end, she never used her "wiles" to get permission for anything. Your comment is offensive.

Yogano's levitation on the glass table is brilliant and I told him so at FISM ( Switzerland 1991), and at the time no 360 movement was involved.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Pendragon (May 22, 2016 02:49PM)
I just watched the video posted which is what I saw at FISM in 1991 and complimented Yogano for the innovation. That is not remotely a 360 degree movement, it's closer to a 45 degree movement in the X and Y axis with no Z axis movement whatsoever. Yogano, later sold a levi that I did influence which had a Z axis turn as I have already mentioned and I am cool with that.
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (May 22, 2016 03:11PM)
[quote]On May 22, 2016, Jonathan Pendragon wrote:
And Ray, you should know better because you were around when all this went down back in the 80s. Do you have any idea how difficult my flying hoop pass is? Here is a hint, no one has ever recreated it. I designed the movement and the hoop to accomplish this like I designed the hoop and the articulate arm for my version of Jim's Pole Suspension which just appeared on the CW's Masters of Illusion.[/quote]

I remember it well. I didn't get into the history as I knew your tireless work on it. I agree the hoop pass is very clever and I can see why it was so difficult to do. I also think your articulated arm on the pole suspension showed a huge improvement as it brought the person forward and served to distance the effect from the method. I also wish you could have been in the edit room when they chose the shots of it for MOI but we know how that goes. My point on any 360 was that everyone I have ever seen, no matter how clever, always pivots around the hidden lift point and thus subliminally directs the spectator's attention to where it must be supported. It seems to do the opposite of what your Pole Suspension improvement does. I'll also admit that this isn't something I probably would have anticipated until I saw it performed. I also referenced Craig's bed levitation with the same issue. The gaff was incredibly clever and fooled everyone until she rotated, then it pointed to the method.
Message: Posted by: Tally_NSA (May 22, 2016 03:44PM)
[quote]On May 22, 2016, Jonathan Pendragon wrote:
EXCUSE ME! You have got to be kidding me. I created the 360 levitation which was built by John Gaughan and performed by me on the 1986 Disney Special three years before The Best of Magic. it was built by John in 1985. I never asked anybody's permission for MY method! I did ask Mark Wilson for permission to present it as a "platform levitation" which had already been taken by other illusionist, he was grateful that I was the first person to actually ask and gave me permission. Platform levitations were created to avoid "going through the floor." I also talked to Barclay Shaw who had done a 360 levi years earlier. His method involved a cape and rotating with the girl. His breakthrough was the glass box which David Copperfield got permission for in his jungle levitation piece. David also used my 360 methodology and has acknowledge my innovation. Barclay upon seeing my levi on TV said, "Wow I wish I had thought of that" to which I replied, "I wish I had thought of the glass box." I never even talked to Yogano, and I certainly never asked for his permission for anything. His 360 levitation's didn't appear until after mine. This said Yogano's levitation work with methodology I won't discuss in the open is brilliant. In 2007-8, in Spain, Yogano's son gave a one of his father's levitation as a present for my influence on the effect! Please do more research and get your facts straight or stay off the forum. And Ray, you should know better because you were around when all this went down back in the 80s. Do you have any idea how difficult my flying hoop pass is? Here is a hint, no one has ever recreated it. I designed the movement and the hoop to accomplish this like I designed the hoop and the articulate arm for my version of Jim's Pole Suspension which just appeared on the CW's Masters of Illusion. Tally, your comments are BS and border on deformation. Regardless of the problems that brought our marriage to an end, she never used her "wiles" to get permission for anything. Your comment is offensive.

Yogano's levitation on the glass table is brilliant and I told him so at FISM ( Switzerland 1991), and at the time no 360 movement was involved. [/quote]

No offence was meant. I am/was merely repeating what I had read on the internet. If that is wrong, then I apologise for repeating something which is false. But, as they say, don't shoot the messenger.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Pendragon (May 22, 2016 03:59PM)
FA correction on the angle of the XY axis turn. it was a 90 degree turn. I'm tired after a long 3 weeks with 4 scholars from Scientific America. We watched experiments at CERN, involving the LHC,. Then we ran around Olympia we said scholars photoing he runs in HD. Next the Acropolis and more HD work. Finally the spectacular city of Istanbul, where we dropped nearly 90 ft. below the surface of the city to explore the Roman cisterns and photographed as well in high -def. I lectured a little on astronomy and the history of ancient magic.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (May 22, 2016 08:35PM)
Jonathan,
Good to hear you are keeping busy. Sounds like a grand adventure.
For historical purposes, I am sure that you are familiar with Bill Serios (Texas) rotating levitation. Without tipping anything, what do you feel are the improvements you made to the rotation aspect. Serios advertised his in the 1960's in the linking ring.
Richard
Message: Posted by: Sorcerer (May 23, 2016 10:52AM)
[quote]On May 22, 2016, Tally_NSA wrote:
No offence was meant. I am/was merely repeating what I had read on the internet. If that is wrong, then I apologise for repeating something which is false. But, as they say, don't shoot the messenger. [/quote]
Tally, I had never heard that rumour. Where did you read that?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Pendragon (May 24, 2016 12:58AM)
I'm back home and I have one more correction. David used the Glass Box in the Flying Illusion, not the Jungle Piece, but he did use my work on the 360 as well as the water Levitation for a very spectacular presentation that I admired.

"Why can't the English teach their children how to speak." "If" and let's set the rules down immediately, you imply and I infer. I infer from "If" that you doubt my story, even though you weren't there and you got your information from an internet source you have yet to reveal, while I have cited Jim Steinmeyer, John Gaughan and David Copperfield as gentlemen who could collaborate my story. You may infer that I taking you task, I am not. You used my video from The Best of Magic as a visual aid to discredit me and libel my ex wife because of something you read on the internet. You may not have meant to do it, regardless, the effect is the same. And (which is not improper usage of "and" unless you over do it, your rules not mine), and here is where it hurts: I am granted a fee for my intellectual property which your comments have put in doubt, N'est-ce Pas?

You may infer that I am being overly dramatic in my approach (like I have never been accused of that before ;-). I am not. Ray, what was the point of pointing out something you acknowledge that we both recognized? Who exactly were you educating and about what? Why did you draw attention to something others might not have noticed until you drew attention to it? I could draw attention to the fact that both my step-daughters perform in the circus arts professionally as well as teach, and I, who will be 63 in July, can still do a double back, as well as a back layout with a double twist, fliffus in and out, and most dangerous of all, a front two and three quarters on the trampoline (the last one going to a crash pad, a stunt which killed a friend of mine in college). Why? Who am I educating and about what?

Ray, I wasn't always searching for a 360 degree levitation, I was searching for a 180 degree levitation as a method to produce the effect I call "Infinity", the suspension vanish I presented on Champions of Magic and the UK's Magic Comedy Strip. My 360 came out of the development of that illusion.

Words have power. They can enlighten or inflict harm. Be careful how use them because their misuse can do damage that can not be undone. This forum is a tempest in tea pot at times and it could be better if it's members chose their words and subjects more carefully. If you want to be a better magician broaden your scope of influences beyond what you find here. Don't try to impress others on paper, but rather in performance. I am not angry, I am frustrated. As an art we keep shooting ourselves in the foot, probably not the best metaphor I could have used. I have no time for anger, it destroys you from the inside out, in gets in the way of creativity. Ego has no place in art other than to drive the desire to become self aware, to constantly push yourself to be better. Tally and Ray, I bear you no ill will for selfish reasons, it does me no service, no good, and I can't become better by feeling so. I protect what is mine and I have been very generous in what I have given others (shameless plug - check out my Penguin Lecture, it's 29 bucks and I swear, it's worth every penny, ask Dan Harlan, a man I once disliked and then through mutual tragedy came to understand. Now we are good friends and that friendship has inspired and benefitted both of us). I apologize it seems like I am lecturing here, but I am an old fart and that's what we do. Now I going back to Genii, I have column to write (second shameless plug). I won't comment again on this thread, but if you have suggestions for a subject you would like me to write about (and no sarcasm, please) leave them here and I will read them, one can always benefit from inspiration. JP
Message: Posted by: Micheal Leath (May 24, 2016 01:18AM)
Just wanted to say thank you Jonathan Pendragon for telling the history behind your levitation. I vaguely remember seeing it on the Disney Special. It's always great to hear from those who know first hand.
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (May 24, 2016 01:27AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2016, Jonathan Pendragon wrote:
Ray, I wasn't always searching for a 360 degree levitation, I was searching for a 180 degree levitation as a method to produce the effect I call "Infinity", the suspension vanish I presented on Champions of Magic and the UK's Magic Comedy Strip. My 360 came out of the development of that illusion.

Tally and Ray, I bear you no ill will for selfish reasons, it does me no service, no good, and I can't become better by feeling so. I protect what is mine and I have been very generous in what I have given others [/quote]

I do remember you working on the 180 degree vanish (or was it a production) from the tube. I guess the 360 dream evolved from that. I'm just very confused why you would think I'm not yearning for the same excellence in magic you are in my observation about the 360 pointing to the method. Maybe instead of seeking something better, I should just be satisfied with what others have done and assume that there can be no possible improving on their work. I have pointed out that your work on the Pole levitation was a wonderful improvement on the original. My only observation was on the 360 in that as soon as she rotates, the eyes are drawn to the pivot point which suggests the actual method. I think this must have been a blind spot for many of the creators including yourself. I even admitted that if I had developed it, I might have been blind to the intrinsic problem myself.

If words have power, just imagine for a moment how much power visuals have when they are broadcast and memorialized for future generations. We can only grow from learning from the past. I have from all of my shows as well as from all of my contemporaries...unless you believe your 360 is perfect and without flaws. That is an entirely different issue. I'm thankful for all that have come before me and all that will come after me. I can only hope we can learn and improve on the past and create even greater methodology for future generations.
Message: Posted by: Tally_NSA (May 24, 2016 04:54AM)
@Jonathan

I reiterate my apology to you unreservedly: I am truly and deeply sorry. What I said was an honest opinion: I really did believe that you performed a Yogano levitation on "Best of Magic". And as such I linked that video to this topic. You have now corrected that mistake, and henceforth I will never again make that mistake.

I fully appreciate that it is very upsetting when you work hard on the creation of an effect, and other people wrongly attribute your hard work to someone else. Again, I am truly sorry for getting it so badly wrong.

It is a shame that humans make mistakes. Because some of them have such dire consequences. This is one I've made, and it has deeply upset a man I have truly admired for over 20 years. If I could take those words back, I would - in a flash! You've had enough trouble over the last couple of years, without an idiot like me adding to them.

All the best for the future Jonathan! I hope all your future Karma is all good.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Pendragon (May 24, 2016 07:58AM)
Tally

It is a good man who can acknowledge an error. Your apology is gratefully accepted. I apology again if I seemed harsh, it's very difficult for me to write about my ex and that period of my life.

With Respect
Jonathan Pendragon
Message: Posted by: john wills (May 24, 2016 03:24PM)
Jonathan: A great mind can forgive!!!

jcmagicman:
Just for the record: Yogano Jr. entered with his levitation at the FISM contest in 1988 (Den Haag - Netherlands).
They got 3th price Invention.
YouTube: the best magic vol 1 fism prize winners part 10 (about 25.min)
Message: Posted by: jcmagicman (May 24, 2016 10:07PM)
Thanks for all the fine details guys. Its amazing to see how much work goes into one effect and how the collaboration of other magicians helps to push that illusion into something super special for the audience to see.

Can't believe this levitation only got 3rd prize. Geezz!!
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Pendragon (May 25, 2016 12:42AM)
You're right it was 88 in Den Hague, not Switzerland in 91. I couldn't remember which one when I wrote the post. I was very surprise by third place finish myself. I don't think the judges appreciate how amazing the technology was. This is why I didn't compete ever in FISM. You can't hold up your mechanical invention to be judged. My work with the silent broom harness that could stop anywhere and give the appearance of a bare mid-drift is implied in the presentation, but not something I would want to hold up in front of a bunch of strangers at magic convention and say, "Judge this," That's not how those competitions work.
Message: Posted by: Chris Stolz (Jun 1, 2016 07:52AM)
I do tend to agree, in general, with what Ray said about the pivot point giving it away in many cases. The floating pianos are so huge that it's just a dead give away. Now that being said, it also depends somewhat on the context. If it's a beautiful performance that plays more like a piece of theatre then you can sometimes get away with a little more for theatre sake. If you're just standing there with a smoke machine doing a levitation for no reason, then it becomes more of a challenge and your audience is far less forgiving. But get them swept up the story and it's amazing what you can get away with.

I'm always a little on the fence when it comes to the line between fooling them at every turn and cheating a bit for the theatre of it. I tend to go to the theatre side when I can come up with some kind of an extra convincer to cancel out the method. For instance, with my Edison Levitation I have a light in the base so she's floating on a beam of light. The light allows me to step off the base for a second to grab the hoop giving me a BA convincer to cancel out the method so I don't look stuck standing there with my legs together.

I have never worked with a rotating levitation so it would be foolish of me to stand on a soap box about it with guys like Jonathan who know it so well here. My general thought however is that it's not so much the rotation that looks off to me, it's when they go half way and come back. If she just went all the way around, it becomes more like a dance move. Coming back suggests that the support can only go that far and she must come back the same way.


-Chris.
Message: Posted by: Zlwin Chew (Jun 2, 2016 02:00AM)
Anyone know if Yogano still build and sell this?
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (Jun 2, 2016 10:04AM)
The Bill Siros suspension didn't feature any kind of pivoting of the assistant, unless I'm mistaken. Bill Palmer might be a bit more help on this.

I had the same feeling as Jonathan when I first saw this thread... Yogano's work is different from the Pendragons' version in the video, iirc.

Jimmy Fingers
www.magellanlevitation.com