(Close Window)
Topic: Who sells the higest quality silks?
Message: Posted by: DaveGripenwaldt (Jun 10, 2016 02:07PM)
Who/where is the go-to place to get high quality, high thread count (i.i., the more opaque the better)?
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Jun 10, 2016 03:11PM)
First off you need to ask this question in the correct manner. What you are intending to use silks for? Ruth Rice has the finest printed silk around but may not fit the need you have. Bob Sanders sells very good silks but they are on the thinner side (more opaque). I make my own silks primarily solids and tie dye with some hand painted work. Bottom line it all depends what you want them for.
Silk is measured in momme weight. Most magic shops carry 5 momme (thin). 6 momme is thin but takes the wear better pushing it poking into tight spaces. 8 momme is heavier more opaque used for hand painting, twentith Century and Blends. 12 mm can be used for twentieth century also or sympathy silks. I make all four sizes.
If you are looking for Opaque silks for coins you can use gentleman's pocket squares. I also have some good fabric that handles like silk but is more opaque.
Hope this helps.
Richard
Message: Posted by: Tally_NSA (Jun 10, 2016 03:17PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2016, hugmagic wrote:
First off you need to ask this question in the correct manner. What you are intending to use silks for? Ruth Rice has the finest printed silk around but may not fit the need you have. Bob Sanders sells very good silks but they are on the thinner side (more opaque). I make my own silks primarily solids and tie dye with some hand painted work. Bottom line it all depends what you want them for.
Silk is measured in momme weight. Most magic shops carry 5 momme (thin). 6 momme is thin but takes the wear better pushing it poking into tight spaces. 8 momme is heavier more opaque used for hand painting, twentith Century and Blends. 12 mm can be used for twentieth century also or sympathy silks. I make all four sizes.
If you are looking for Opaque silks for coins you can use gentleman's pocket squares. I also have some good fabric that handles like silk but is more opaque.
Hope this helps.
Richard [/quote]

Richard - I am looking for a 24 inch 20th Century Silks, made with solid colours (not the blended kind). Preferably in Royal blue, with white as the silk that appears in the middle. Can you help me with this? Dealers tend to only go to 18 inch, and that is too small for me.
Message: Posted by: JNeal (Jun 10, 2016 04:10PM)
Dave, everything that Richard Hughes wrote is 100% accurate. His own work is immaculate as well! If you have someone who can do nice flat hem stitching, you can buy the fabric in LA (aren't you still based here?) at great prices from Oriental Silk in West Hollywood on Beverly Blvd. He has an incredible array of colors and weights.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Jun 10, 2016 09:38PM)
Yes. Give me a call tomorrow if you get a chance and we can talk.
Message: Posted by: Tally_NSA (Jun 11, 2016 05:17AM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2016, hugmagic wrote:
Yes. Give me a call tomorrow if you get a chance and we can talk. [/quote]

I'm on holiday at the moment in Turkey (I have a holiday villa there). I will call you first chance I get when I return to the UK.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Jun 11, 2016 11:17AM)
No problem. Enjoy your vacation. You can email as I am in and out of the shop a lot these days.

Richard
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 11, 2016 11:56AM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2016, DaveGripenwaldt wrote:
Who/where is the go-to place to get high quality, high thread count (i.i., the more opaque the better)? [/quote]

Contact JNeal, he makes excellent heavy weight silks, and beautiful rich colors.
Message: Posted by: JNeal (Jun 11, 2016 10:22PM)
As Richard mentions, different makers / vendors can all supply you with high quality, but in each case... what is high quality for one purpose may not be ideal for another.

If you are looking for opaque silk scarves and compressibility is not a deciding factor, you might consider other weaves than "China silk' (which is a term used to describe the 6 or 8 momme weight fabric that is used for dress linings outside of magic.)... such as Habotai (actually the same weave as China silk, but heavier and more opaque)

those interested can read this for a partial listing: http://info.fabrics.net/fabric-facts/glossary-of-silk-fabric-and-weaves/

or this: http://blog.patra.com/2010/10/13/the-different-types-of-silk/
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 12, 2016 08:31AM)
Hey! Thanks JNeal!!!

"Old dog" just learned something new!
Message: Posted by: JNeal (Jun 12, 2016 12:04PM)
I find it impossible that I might have led Dick Oslund to some area of magic related knowledge that he isn't familiar with! Consider me stunned!

That is what keeps Dick 'in the game' and still young.... wanting to learn new things all the time. My hat (should I eve get one) is off to you... SIR!
Message: Posted by: DaveGripenwaldt (Jun 13, 2016 12:42PM)
Thanks for all the input and thanks to whoever moved this to the right Forum.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jun 20, 2016 08:17PM)
[quote]Richard - I am looking for a 24 inch 20th Century Silks, made with solid colours (not the blended kind). Preferably in Royal blue, with white as the silk that appears in the middle. Can you help me with this? Dealers tend to only go to 18 inch, and that is too small for me.[/quote]

I stopped using the gimmicked version of 20th century silks years ago. Performing it with ungimmicked silks let's you use any size silks you want. I use 24 inch silks all the time.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 20, 2016 09:36PM)
Yup!

The late Harold ("Three Trick")Taylor, lectured at Magic Inc. in Chicago, about 1970. --and! He did more than three tricks!!!

He "got" me with a fine variation with the C&R Rope, and, he also showed us a very neat "fold" which made an ungimmicked 20th C. Silks, not only possible, but PRACTICAL!

I've used "Harold's fold" almost exclusively, since. I especially like it because the "rainbow" silk, although loading it needed slightly longer, and, a flat surface to lay the load silk on, caused less wrinkling of the rainbow.

I still use 18" silks, because I use the Burling Hull, "Elusive" silk vanish with a TT, (I HATE "Change Bags")

On days when I had four shows booked, and miles to travel on the jump, I would use the old standard method. My set up time for the 45 minute program is/was max. four minutes, and, THAT, only because I like doing a few silk tricks. (flash! color! time!)

I also carried duplicates of the 20th C props on extremely tight scheduled days.

Frank Ducrot's "concept" (20thC) has stood the "test" of time! It meets all of my criteria, and, it's so strong, it's next to closing for the elementary school kids. My routine, although it accomplishes the same basic effect, is not the,"I'll now make the rainbow scarf disappear, and reappear tied between the scarves that are knotted together." ("SURPRISE" IS A MAJOR FACTOR IN ENTERTAINMENT"!)

You can see several dozen YUKKY DEMONSTRATIONS (definitely NOT PERFORMANCES) of Frank's great CONCEPT, on You Tube! (NO SURPRISE, and, IMO, NO ENTERTAINMENT!)
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Jun 23, 2016 04:23PM)
I can say Jneal has some great scarfs
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 23, 2016 07:03PM)
Yup! Each of the "BIG FOUR" SILK MERCHANTS, has a 'specialty'. Harold RICE'S daughter has the "picture" and, design silks, Richard HUGHES produces beautiful solid color "specialties" like Fountain of Silks, etc. Bob Sanders has top quality silks, and produces a much improved, "THIS", plus REAL "Diamond Cut" silks. Jonathan Neal, makes first class specialty silks and "silks" for routines like what is known as "Slydini" Knots, etc.

Magic effects that use silks as props, pack small and play big. They're light weight, and add great eye appealing color!
Message: Posted by: JNeal (Jun 23, 2016 10:41PM)
Awe... Gosh! You guys make me feel special! That is great company to be in and your compliments make me want to strive even harder!
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jul 27, 2016 05:56PM)
Momme is ONLY a measure of MASS, not quality or opaqueness. All silk fibers are the same size. Therefore, the usual method of increasing momme is to make a looser weave! That has its own set of problems for durability. As the silk importer, I can often get 8 momme silk cheaper than 5 momme silk. (I avoid them.) Personally, I only use 5 momme silk and my mentor was Harold Rice. His were 6 momme because it was illegal to import the better Chinese silk during his lifetime. Look on page 8 of the Rice Encyclopedia where he tells you that the China silk is best. He could not get it then. The best Japanese silk was 6 momme. (Now I even send 5 momme silk from China to Japan for the pros!) Life has its secrets. LOL
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Aug 1, 2016 09:34PM)
Harold used Japanese silk. The funny part is that most of the silk cocoons were from China and manufactured in Japan.
Message: Posted by: LoganPorterMagic (Oct 5, 2016 06:06PM)
Once you go Japanese silk, there's no going back...
Message: Posted by: AndreOng1 (Nov 9, 2016 11:04PM)
Where is the best place to buy Japanese silk?
I am currently using korean made. How does it compare to Japnese?
Message: Posted by: Rice (Nov 10, 2016 04:21PM)
Silk King Studios only sells silks made in Japan.
Message: Posted by: indomagic (Nov 21, 2016 01:41AM)
My vote for Japanese silk too...
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Nov 25, 2016 01:56PM)
LOL --- For years my wife did not know that we import silk from China to Alabama, then ship it to Singapore. From there it goes to Japan to become Japanese silk. On page 8 Harold Rice tells you that China silk is the best. (Today it is even better because of the good 2mm hems.) He did not tell you that he could not get it back then. Things have changed since the 1980s.
Message: Posted by: wally (Mar 29, 2017 04:35AM)
Does anyone make polka dot silks maybe 30" square, similar to paul potassy sympathetic silks,
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 30, 2017 03:46AM)
Paul Potassy Sympathetic Silks, that silk or ladies dress material is usually only available from very high end fabric stores. I doubt you will find it already hemmed.
Message: Posted by: Magical Moments (May 3, 2019 06:44PM)
[quote]On Nov 10, 2016, Rice wrote:
Silk King Studios only sells silks made in Japan. [/quote]

And they are fantastic! The selection of colors of their Spectrum Silks cannot be beat.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (May 29, 2019 07:36PM)
Japanese silk has changed over the years. At one time, there were four major silk manufacturers in Japan. When I last checked, there was only one and why imported the silk cocoons from China. So I guess it is Japanese/China silk.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jun 21, 2019 07:54AM)
Be aware that Momme is only a measure of MASS and NOT QUALITY. Higher momme can mean looser weave to add mass. That has its own set of problems.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Aug 7, 2019 11:00PM)
Silk King Studios have fantastic silks. They are more expensive, but you get what you pay for and you really want the silks to look good from stage.

As a side note, if you visit the Henry Ford Greenfield Village in Dearborn Michigan (which I recommend to everyone!) they have a working silk loom that they demonstrate and explain the process of weaving silk. Henry Ford wanted to skip the importing stage and make his own silk, but the silk worms only eat Mulberry leaves and they couldn't grow enough fast enough in Michigan to keep them fed! Poor silk worms gets boiled alive in the process.... but such is the circle of life.