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Topic: Great mem deck routine from Jan Forster
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mindbender (Sep 6, 2016 01:04PM)
Jan Forster had his Penguin Live lecture this past weekend. It was a fantastic lecture, and there was a terrific mem deck routine that he shares. Well worth checking out.
Message: Posted by: marc_carrion (Sep 6, 2016 01:06PM)
Can you describe the effect?
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Sep 6, 2016 02:04PM)
Please, buy the cat in the sack... To whet your appetite :) :
[quote]On Sep 6, 2016, tomd wrote:
You know a mem deck routine is great when you start the performance with magicians as volunteers and explain that "this trick uses a memorized deck", and you still fool them. Its a great lecture guys [/quote]
( http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=622742&forum=218&start=90 )

Message: Posted by: tomd (Sep 6, 2016 04:44PM)
Haha, nice to see my words used wisely.

Marc I will not describe the effect, it's far better to watch it for yourself (it's a pure mentalism/card divine effect). The lecture includes 2 performances of this routine, one for a lay audience and one for magicians while having a fellow mentalist watch Jan like a hawk as he went through the effect.

I thought I had figured out the method after watching the first performance for the laymen, my thinking was that he had disguised what he was doing well. Then, like he had read my mind, the first thing he does in the second performance is prove my theory so god *** wrong. And I know that every person in that room was dumbfounded, their reactions to Jan revealing correctly over and over was just sublime. Like I said in the post Jan quoted, their reactions were from after he had revealed it was a mem deck. And, I'm sure you will watch and think, how can a stack do this?
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Sep 6, 2016 04:59PM)
Very well observed... In the lecture I did a sneaky variation of the routine I presented in the live show. But mainly not to fool magicians or mentalists (o. k. I did), instead I did so because I think that the learning effect and the thought process behind I wanted to teach is bigger and more interesting, also for adapting to your own creations. Jan
Message: Posted by: tomd (Sep 6, 2016 05:11PM)
Yeah I appreciate your thinking, the particular routine you showcased wouldn't necessarily fit the way I like to present, but the concept is so free to springboard off and impossible to deconstruct. I will be using this principle in some way
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Sep 6, 2016 05:15PM)
Perfect! Mission accomplished :bg: ! Jan
Message: Posted by: Pasteboard Alchemist (Sep 7, 2016 02:35AM)
* I'll preface the following by saying that thus far I *only* have watched the portions of the performance and explanation videos relevant to the mem deck effect.

Being an aficionado of all things stack, I purchased this for the above-mentioned effect. Watching the first (non-explanation) presentation shown, I was originally disappointed. It's was a wonderful presentation of the effect, but an effect that's well-trodden (especially in book released within the last couple years that has quite a bit of work on it.) Before purchasing, I read the one-line description of the effect, suspected what it would be, and it was exactly what I thought it'd be.

Watching the explanation performance, though, was another story entirely. He performed a variant that had a wholly different presentation. His presentation gives fantastic justification for actions that give all the info necessary, while also allows for a wonderful finale phase--something that has never occurred to me. I have a stack effect I came up with and perform stand-alone that I'll be integrating in place of Jan's fourth phase that will really bring the premise to a nice crescendo. I'm also very excited because I see a spot in his variant presentation where I can add something to further capitalize on information already known (that is within his variant's "theme".)

The above may make little sense (I'm trying to tip nothing, while relating everything I gained out of it) but the bottom line is: just watching the one explanation performance made this purchase more than worth the money--and there's still the entire remainder of the lecture I haven't even looked into yet! Jan has taken an effect I perform regularly and thought I'd fine tuned, and he's driven it to new heights far beyond anywhere I've ever taken it. I'm impressed, and very happy to have this new "variant" to continue building upon.

Great stuff.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Sep 7, 2016 05:21AM)
Great, happy that you understood why I put this "variant" in my lecture... I really wanted to offer the thought process behind in order to open a further door for MD workers. You made my day :) . Jan
Message: Posted by: baobow (Sep 7, 2016 07:46PM)
What's also wonderful about this type of effect of instructing 3 people cut a quarter or third of the deck at a time, they will inadvertently always cut to the same bank of cards everytime. i.e first spectator will usually cut somewhere between 15-22 cards, spec two usually 33-38 for example and spec three usually 44-48 for example.

I liked the live show bit where in the guise of losing spectators card in their pack and shuffling, you were able to determine the card of the 3rd spectator. Brilliant.

I'll be making a Aronson style summary cheat sheet to remember the steps for this effect.
Message: Posted by: AlexanderG (Nov 7, 2017 08:56AM)
Hi, Jan. In your performances, which version (if either) do you tend to perform and why? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Nov 7, 2017 12:07PM)
Hi, it really depends, for larger audiences (I have done it in front of a thousand and a bit more...) I prefer what I have done in the show as it is quicker and hits harder then. In more intimate settings I prefer the other version as it contains even more little subtleties which I can rule out more efficiently there. Jan