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Topic: Borns Bag
Message: Posted by: TheTableTopTrixta (Sep 16, 2016 02:17PM)
I don't normally ally get excited about a new release however it's different when it's a utility item that I think is a game changer. JB has created one of the absolute best of bags for the modern magician. Think how good this could be for a sidewalk show or any walk about magician Street or no street.

Thought I'd share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFpTNFqb2yM&sns=em
Message: Posted by: Stperformer (Sep 16, 2016 05:57PM)
This has piqued my interest:-) Thanks for posting.

For a non-table show with minimal props this could be just the ticket.
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Sep 17, 2016 02:10AM)
Alright I gotta ask. How exactly is a leather backpack a game changer. There aren't any features that are out of the ordinary. It's just a backpack. What I find truly funny is that he puts down backpacks then trys to sell one for 185 dollars. Please elaborate on how this is a game changer because your post sounds like an add campaign.
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Sep 17, 2016 02:11AM)
Also I find his ad both shallow and pedantic
Message: Posted by: John Born (Sep 17, 2016 04:20AM)
Hey TableTop -

Thanks for the enthusiasm. Am definitely excited about how this turned out.

Hi Kyoki -

I guess the most useful differences between a backpack and Born's Bag are accesibilty, shape, and look.

To use a backpack you have to take it off to access its contents, which is a detail I could never consider. With Born's Bag you not only have access to every compartment without taking the bag off, you have easy access to every compartment without even looking. There are also some extras, such as the quick access pocket secured by a magnet, which many performers would find super useful.

The shape is important - it sits close to your back, so when strolling for busy/crowded events you are not bumping into people, which is very possible with a backpack. Personally, the shape/size has also helped me determine/limit my routine options to just the right amount, versus when I was using bulkier options that allowed me to carry too much material (think we've all been there).

Finally, the look is very clean, and the quality is just great. This has served me extremely well, so decided to share with those that have the need and are excited about its unique advantages.

JB
Message: Posted by: Stperformer (Sep 17, 2016 08:15AM)
The great advantage I see with this Bag is @ 2:06 to 2:11. That alone is beaut.

I do not own one of these bags (yet) but as a very experienced Street Performer, I know a good idea/potentional for the street when I see it.

One of the problems I come across when busking, is if I set up a table with gear etal and do a show....I can't move at a moments notice and it takes too long to move & get out. I've been working & using for time /places on occasions, a minimal prop show that I can get in & out. (There are some very nice pitches that I have used, that if I set up a table and do a show.....I get shut down. However if I can just do a smaller show for 20 people and move around, I can work it all day)

A back pack (IMHO) looks dorky & you can still have to take it off and unpack & pack it up. The Born Bag is sleek and stays on you so you can just walk off any time.

I currently use a nice leather Man Purse that hangs over one shoulder. It works but still gets in the way somewhat. The born bag looks/is less cumbersome, not in the way, and retains flow and eye contact.

As mentioned, I have never used the Born Bag so can only comment and guess from what I see on the vid. And everyone has a different style and needs.

Other may differ and I respect that :-)
Message: Posted by: TheTableTopTrixta (Sep 17, 2016 12:47PM)
Kyoki - Your post makes me sad. This is a forum for Magicians helping and supporting each other not having apop at someone for being enthusiastic about a product which they personally feel ads value to the Magic community.

I see you on this forum constantly asking for advice and people helping you. For you to respond to my post in the way in which you did was really disrespectful.

Anyway, back on track.

I have been working on slimming down my street show and moving away from a table set up, I have always been looking for the perfect leather bad which suits my performing environments. Belive me I have tried many ive never found one that fits. I stumbled across Borns Bag on Facebook and knew right away it was purpose built by a true working pro with the working pro in mind.

I have ordered. This is ideal. This has changed my game at least.

Next time maybe pause, take a breath and think before you post. I wish you all the best brother.
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Sep 17, 2016 01:07PM)
This is nothing more than a type of sling backpack. I have seen them before and seen them accessed without being taken off the same way the born bag is. The only thing I haven't seen is a magnet used but I'm sure it has as its a feature on many bags. A few seconds of searching found this. It doesn't have a magnet but does have a snap but for the extra hundred and some dollars I think I could live. A longer search would probably find something very similar but at a fraction of the price as its not marketed to the magic community.

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32734528524.html#autostay
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Sep 17, 2016 01:21PM)
I'm sorry but I have been taken on too many items and seen to much marketed at the magic community as being special when it's not. You can check my other posts and see that I don't normally post like this. I appreciate all the help I am given and throw in my two cents when I can. My problem comes from this being set up as something new and revolutionary when it's a leather sling bag. It's pretty but not special and not for the price
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Sep 17, 2016 02:58PM)
Sorry brother Born, (and Table Top Trixta) but, the commercial with a black prop bag against a black shirt, turned me off. A shoulder bag such as you are pitching, could be useful, and practical.

I would, however, like to see you USING it, not just TELLING me how useful it is.

At this point, I find myself siding with Kyoki.

I get along just fine with a wand, a few pieces of rope, a 4" ring, a few polys (not silks) for the "Slydini" knots, egg bag, and, Hull's elusive silk. All that stows in my pockets. My CRITERIA are simple: VISUAL EFFECTS, VISIBLE PROPS, VERSATILE PROPS & EFFECTS, RECOGNIZABLE PROPS, NO SET UP, NO TABLE NEEDED, SPOT ADAPTABLE ROUTINES, PROPS PACK SMALL & LIGHT, and, WINDPROOF!

I'll admit that I have done a lot more strolling than busking.
Message: Posted by: John Born (Sep 17, 2016 03:36PM)
Is just a really well-made product with a certain set features. If it appeals to you, great. There are endless options for how we approach our magic, appearance, etc. - please do what works for you.

Hi Dick - thanks for posting. There is an 8 minute video detailing all aspects of Born's Bag. From there you should be able to see if it fits your needs, and if you need me to check sizing / fit for a certain prop I am happy to do so. And the best part - you don't even have to wear a black shirt with it.

Has only been available for a day and a half and have sales all over the world, most of which are highly experienced performers. After literally scouring the planet and owning thousands and thousands of high end bags/options, I was always left wanting. Simply put, I think there is a need for thoughtful bags and pocket management solutions designed with the performer in mind. A lot of thought has gone into why this works for me, and proud to share it for those that see its potential.

JB
www.JohnBorn.com
Message: Posted by: John Born (Sep 17, 2016 06:54PM)
*owning thousands of dollars worth of high end bags - not thousands of bags :lol: :lol:
Message: Posted by: cbguy (Sep 18, 2016 08:14PM)
This is waaaaay too expensive. At the high end I would consider paying $40 - $50 but that price is ridiculous.
Message: Posted by: MagiCol (Sep 18, 2016 08:32PM)
I tend to look at the price of something by thinking of it's value to me rather than it's price.
If a prop or bag looks like it will help me be a better performer, or sometimes just for the pleasure of having it, then I'm interested.

One way of thinking of the cost of something is in terms on how quickly I can 'replace' the cost from my hatting.
If an item is, say, $100 and you can expect to get that much profit from your hat from just a few sessions on the street - say 4 hours at the pitch each time - then it seems a good deal to me.
Message: Posted by: John Born (Sep 18, 2016 09:09PM)
Hi Cbguy -

I totally understand that you would think that if you are just thinking of an average bag. This is a luxury piece made by a high end designer and top of the line production. The cost of production alone is well over the retail value of the bags you are mentioning - and for a reason - any bag you would consider in that price range will not even be comparable in person. We are talking the leather, the zippers, the lining, the stiching, etc.

The average price of bags that I have purchased from quality or high-end designers range around $250 -$450, and the introductory price I am offering is well below recommended retail. $185 is nothing to a working pro that would consider using it even a few times. Some shop Armani, John Varvatos, etc. while other shop Walmart and Target. Both can get the job done but there is a distict and absolute difference. I know the difference, and the audiences I work for know and appreciate certain sensibilities. I know it isn't for everyone, but none of my products are.

If anyone has any other questions I am happy to help!

Best,

JB
Message: Posted by: cbguy (Sep 19, 2016 01:19PM)
Magicol: If it takes 4 hours to get $100 on a pitch, find a new pitch.

John Born: I perform about 250 days a year, that probably makes me fall into the working pro category. I have a bag that I got from Frank Starsinic and for me, it is more than good enough. If you consider Franks work Walmart quality, then I'm a Walmart shopper.

Zippers break, I don't care what the quality is, it happens and no matter the quality of leather, it's gonna get beat up, scuffed, rained on, etc..if you're a real street worker - I am - So different strokes for different folks. If someone who works the street is gonna buy that Armani quality bag, they might as well get an Armani suit, shoes and hat to go with it.

...and, who ever that is, I will perform across the street and make bigger hats for bigger audiences all day long, with my Walmart stuff : )
Message: Posted by: cbguy (Sep 19, 2016 03:30PM)
I'm not being an *** - the point I'm trying to make is that the ONLY thing that makes a successful performer is "the performer" - props, bags, etc., they don't matter.

The reason magic shops stay in business is because 99% of the people doing magic don't understand this point. They are not entertainers. They are always looking for the next BIG thing, they are after that one trick that's going to push them into stardom and in doing so, they miss the boat.

My entire act, which makes me a very comfortable living uses some beat up, dirty rope, one piece of fruit and three juggling knives (the knives are beat to hell and the tip of one has broken off).

Yet, I do not come across as poor, homeless or a beggar.

Back to the point, if someone wants to spend a boat load of money to have a fancy bag or prop, that's gonna end up broken and beat up eventually that's their decision.

But if they think that prop or bag is gonna make them better in some way, they are mistaken.
Message: Posted by: John Born (Sep 19, 2016 04:15PM)
It's all relative my friend. If anything the price is going to go up. Do what works for you - sounds like a class act. Boat load for some, not even pocket change to others.

Best of luck,

JB
Message: Posted by: TheTableTopTrixta (Oct 8, 2016 04:44AM)
It arrived. I'm not disappointed at all. It exceeds expectations.

This is a beautiful leather bag, really top quality better than the others that I have seen.

This is the perfect 'man bag' let alone 'magic bag'

The best thing about this is that it doesn't feel that you are wearing a bag. When you move the bag from the back to the front the pockets are at the PERFECT position. The magetic fast access pocket is ideal. It also takes my SMART phone keys and pretty much my whole set.

I hate things in my pockets when I'm out and about, this solves this problem.

This is way more than a magic bag, its ideal for cameras etc etc and ideal for travel.

Thanks JB. I am a happy customer.
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Dec 6, 2016 01:48PM)
I just received mine and I like it. High quality. And for those interested, theambitiouscard.com strolling bag fits perfectly in the bag for even more functionality.

And cbguy...yes, you ARE being an ***. Just because you are only willing to pay $40 to 50 does not mean you should be hypercritical and condescending to those who can, and with just enough ego to fill a room. Condescending, hypercritical, super-ego: fits right into the ** category in most books. I don't suspect you own a BMW, but to each his own. Are you going to go on a car forum and rale on the Porsche, BMW and Mercedes owners? No. Why not? Because you would be an ***, which is what you are doing here.
Message: Posted by: cbguy (Dec 6, 2016 04:26PM)
I'm a bad, bad, man
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Dec 6, 2016 10:18PM)
Cbguy: no, just an ***. Add unrepentant and deluded by pride to the characteristics that typify the description in question. I have had my fair share of poorly worded, or misguided posts, but at least I have the insight and self-reflective abilities to realize it and try to make it right instead of dig myself deeper.
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Dec 7, 2016 03:08AM)
Was gonna reply then decided it wasn't worth any more effort here. I still like you cbguy
Message: Posted by: cbguy (Dec 7, 2016 11:08AM)
Seriously, Kenodad?

Egotistical is the very last thing I am .

Very confident, yes and I understand how that can come off differently.

I'm not even going back to review what I said earlier because it was a while back and not necessary. I would't apologize anyway ; )

Kenodad, I am a full time performer and have been for the last 18 years.

I work the streets mostly and make hats from a single show, that are equal to what some people make in a week. I also do a lot of fairs, festivals and corporate performances.

I'm kind of bragging because I think what I've accomplished is awesome. However, I have freely shared what I do and how I do it with other buskers and they can attest to the fact that the methods I've provided them with work very well. They continue to use those methods to keep their hat's fat.

I'm friends with most of the well known buskers who have written books, videos, etc and If I wanted to stroke my ego and get some fame from within the community, I can easily write a book and get that. I just don't want it. I can also use my real name or my characters name, but I'm not the guy who needs everyone to know who I am to kiss my a$s.

I share with buskers because my ideas are not theories, they are test and have been used for over a decade and I really like helping people to shorten their learning cure and make more money.

With that said, I still think this bag is over priced. Maybe it's because I would never use it or because it's not suited for what I do. However, it may be suited for you or other performers and if you think it's worth it and useful, that's great.

By the way, where do you perform?

How long have you been a working pro?

You are you a full time performer, right?

Or are you an EZ chair magician/hobbiest? The guy who likes to impress other magicians?

I don't give a darn what magicians think simply because they don't pay me...anyway, I'm just curious to know more about you.

Looking forward to hearing back from you soon now.
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Dec 7, 2016 03:48PM)
CBGuy:

Yes, seriously.... Are you really so blind to not see how you have come across here? AND to not care?

"Very confident, yes and I understand how that can come off differently."

That is for sure. There is a fine line between egotistical and confident. When you add tactless, disrespectful, condescending, and unwilling to apologize (just on principle) to confident, I think you might be taking a step to the dark side. Egotistical may NOT be the last thing you are.......Luke...search your feelings.

I have reviewed some of your recent posts. I think you make some good points and offer good suggestions. I am not sure how this observation and your self-proclaimed extensive magic experience and success apply to whether or not you have come across as an ***. I could have looked up your prominent success in magic by checking your website....Oh wait, you don't have a link to a website. Well, I could do a quick google search....Oh wait, you don't provide your name. Not very transparent, for so much "confidence."

I am also not sure how MY position or experience in magic applies here. Did you want to have some kind of magic ****ing contest? Well, I bet MY chop cup is bigger than YOUR chop cup, or at least more expensive. :)

You are "curious to know more about" me? Really? Why? You "don't give a darn what magicians think." Are my points more or less valid if I work 20 shows a year versus if I work 200?


"I still think this bag is over priced. Maybe it's because I would never use it or because it's not suited for what I do. However, it may be suited for you or other performers and if you think it's worth it and useful, that's great."

Fair enough. Your initial and subsequent posts are weighed down with pejorative. I don't disagree that props will not make a magician, but it is also a principle that appearances matter to people. No one was claiming that this bag was the solution to poor magic. It would have been more helpful to provide an alternative to justify the price you suggested), which I will do here (so there is SOME value to this conversation to someone):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N6T3OLY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2R3VVO0ZUFXVC&coliid=I1IO38MG0YFUWP&psc=1

I did a search before I purchased the bag and I could not find anything quite the same. I searched here and found this thread which had helpful comments by some, then the useless, unhelpful price complaints by you.

I am satisfied with my purchase, and also to provide some useful input, this product happens to fit perfectly into the bag (although is starts to become bulky in a clumsy way):


http://theambitiouscard.com/aitem.cfm?itemid=64

John
Message: Posted by: cbguy (Dec 7, 2016 04:09PM)
Bloop!
Message: Posted by: kenodad (Dec 7, 2016 05:52PM)
A legend in his own mind.
Message: Posted by: cbguy (Dec 7, 2016 06:28PM)
Bloop, bloop
Message: Posted by: Sordini (Dec 15, 2017 08:22AM)
@ John, fair play this looks like a great product and I plan to pick this up soon.
Message: Posted by: theocreswell (Dec 15, 2017 03:24PM)
I'm not having a dig at this, but I don't understand how it differs from a fanny pack, he is just wearing it differently? I'm interested in it, but what are the advantages?

-T
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Dec 16, 2017 09:47AM)
N00b post here. I looked at the bag, itís very nice, given the quality of the materials and the quality of the workmanship, it is fully worth what is being charged for it. Would I like one? Yes. I would also like to drive a Maserati to work every day, but itís not practical! Neither is this bag, for ME!
Message: Posted by: John Born (Jun 21, 2018 09:34AM)
Only 30 left, then probably gone forever! If you are thinking about Born's Bag, now is the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Rv8SlGl0I

Best,

JB
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jun 24, 2018 07:07PM)
Again, if I wanted a sling bag, I would get a sling bag. Not one that costs over a hundred dollars though. I hope the 30 people who pick this up find it useful.
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Jun 24, 2018 07:49PM)
Just want to chime in here as someone who purchased this when it first came out. Like everything that John Born has produced and offered, IMO, it is well thought out, well made, and a quality product. Let's please stop the harping about price - if it's beyond your means, then don't buy it. I've purchase several purses for my wife that cost well over $1,000 each (which may be one reason she tolerates my magic habit...). This bag is as well made as any of them. Thanks, John, for continuing to share your ideas and products with the magic community.
Message: Posted by: Cleverpaws (Jun 25, 2018 10:42PM)
I think the price could be considered reasonable depending on where this is made. There is no contact information on the product page to inquire.
Message: Posted by: Branden Wolf (Jul 2, 2018 04:23PM)
Born's Bag is quality!

Initially, I wasn't sure exactly what I was looking for in a bag. Most fanny packs don't work for me (some for style, some for function). I'm also a "coin guy," so I don't need much space, and usually work from the pockets, so backpacks are typically overkill. Being a fan of John's work, this bag originally piqued my interest, but as I said I wasn't sure what I ultimately wanted. I'm also 6'4" and thought it might look small on me (it doesn't).

Trusting John's opinion, I took the plunge. As soon as I pulled it from the canvas bag it came in, I immediately felt the quality. The leather selection is nice, the stitching is perfect and tight all around, and all of the hardware works smoothly (*including the magnetic closure pocket which had its own surprise for me).

The inside is deceptively spacious. The profile of the bag is pretty slim, but there are several organizational pockets within, and room for all kinds storage; whether it's personal or magic crap.

10/10 would recommend. Will make a great walk around gig bag, or the perfect convention/day bag.

If you're the type that's going to refer to it as a murse, then this bag probably isn't for you.

* - For those that don't know, I found this pretty surprising and is an additional point that's not mentioned on John's site. If you've seen Pattrick Przysiecki's awesome folding pads, one of his models was actually made for this bag! Who knew?! Pattrick's aptly titled 'Born's Book Mat' is perfectly fitted to slide into the magnetic closure pocket of the bag. On a whim, I wanted to see if his pads would even fold small enough to fit in the bag. Turns out he makes one specifically for this bag! Serendipitous. Got one of those too!

You can cram tons of gear into the bag, it's snazzy, and you can easily bring along a fitted, folding, close-up pad.

What more could you ask for?

Additionally, as if you needed another reason, John offers any of his printed books with the purchase of his bag (except for Meant To Be). Talk about bang for your buck!

Get it here ó http://borninnovations.com/shop/borns-bag-the-performers-ultimate-companion/
Message: Posted by: John Born (Jan 8, 2019 08:55AM)
Happy new year everyone, and thanks for all the good words! Have been using this a lot in my work, and have been super happy with how its use has evolved.

Am going to Magi-Fest in January. Have a few left, and happy to bring one for anyone interested.

All the best,

JB
Message: Posted by: John Born (Nov 10, 2019 10:50AM)
Just got back in the country, and in town for a week for immediate shipment. Now is the time if you want one (only a few left, then gone forever). Rave reviews, highest quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Rv8SlGl0IBest,

JB
www.BornInnovations.com