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Topic: Original Ken Brooke Multiplying Bottles
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Oct 6, 2016 05:32PM)
Just a heads-up for you connoisseurs out there........

There is a set of ORIGINAL Ken Brooke Multiplying Bottles available for sale now at Denny & Lee Magic Studio in Baltimore in excellent, almost-new condition. These are arguably THE BEST multiplying bottles ever made, and come complete with original tubes, labels and instructions

If I didn't have a 12-bottle Rings and Things set, I'd snatch them up myself. I talked to Denny today on the phone and told him that I thought they were a bit underpriced.......he agreed and said he'd give them a week or so for someone to get them at a good price, and then the price would go up....

Here's a link for those who are interested:

http://dennymagic.com/store/original-ken-brooke-multiplying-bottles.html
Message: Posted by: Doug Arden (Oct 7, 2016 11:16PM)
Yes, that's an excellent price for a set of KB bottles. The only problem is, the color on those bottles wouldn't fool Stevie Wonder. I own four sets and I've had them all repainted and labelled so they actually look like real wine bottles. These are mine:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/HpDdcpj2xkObmLGhi_y-3PYHQIb2qwT6gCuIJgnQY6fh0cWPwI_CMmSTt8mfa6MU3GDTHg=s125
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Oct 8, 2016 09:09AM)
I beg to differ, my green Ken Brook bottles are perfect match to the real Martini bottles, as a matter of fact, I use real Martini bottles along side them.

Doug Arden, yours repaint job looks excellent, but doing so has lessened the value greatly as being an original set.

The original intension for the props, is, they are intended to entertain audiences, and if they do that, they have served their purpose.
Message: Posted by: Doug Arden (Oct 8, 2016 09:58AM)
Bill:

Of course you can differ and you're entitled to your opinion. If you're able to entertain and amaze your audiences with bottles that look like that, then that's awesome. I'm not trying to talk you or anyone else out of using them. My personal preference is to use bottles that look more realistic, if that's the right word.

IMHO, the real value in the KB bottles is the unique lip design. Anyone who owns a set will know exactly what I mean. The fact that I've had them refinished may or may not lessen their value. If I ever want to sell them, the marketplace will dictate that. In any event I don't really care, I do what works for me.

Here is a better photo for those who may be interested in looking:

http://s298.photobucket.com/user/rreidmagic/media/Multiplying%20Bottles/MultiplyingBottles-KenBrookewithlabels1_zps24a58bc1.jpg.html
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Oct 8, 2016 12:18PM)
Doug, by all means use your creative abilities on your props, and what you like and enjoy.

My only point was I perform the original bottles along side real glass bottles from the liquor store and they have passed so far for me.

The set referenced at Denny Magic, do look dull for some reason. Mine has a shine to them just like glass.

If it so to poor storage, of which I keep finding with so many magic props, it is shame, in my opinion.
Message: Posted by: Doug Arden (Oct 8, 2016 12:26PM)
Yes, the color on those bottles is not very good and really quite dull. A couple of my sets looked that bad as well, before I had them refinished. I'm not sure if it was due to improper storage or some other reason.

The Martini bottles I've seen are all a very dark green color and if I put them up against a set of KB bottles with the original paint, there was a very stark contrast. Maybe the Martini bottles are different shades of green in different countries, I don't know?
Message: Posted by: Leo H (Oct 9, 2016 01:39PM)
The work on Doug's bottles looks fantastic. Thanks Doug for the larger photo, they look genuine.
Message: Posted by: Doug Arden (Oct 9, 2016 04:46PM)
Thanks, Leo, I appreciate it!

I can't take credit for the workmanship though. I don't have the skill set to do anything even remotely close to that. The refinishing was done by someone whom I consider to be a master craftsman. In fact he's working on a set for me now, with one more left.
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Oct 11, 2016 06:16AM)
Doug Arden:

That's a MAGNIFICENT finish on those bottles! I have a question........What technique did you master craftsman use to do that?
Message: Posted by: Doug Arden (Oct 11, 2016 08:37AM)
Rainboguy;

Thank you, I couldn't agree more, the finish really is exceptional.

To be very honest with you I have no idea what techniques he employs to achieve this result, as I never got into that discussion with him. I do know that's it's a time consuming and lengthy process, and I'm fortunate that he agreed to take on my "projects."
Message: Posted by: Mehtas (Oct 13, 2016 06:00AM)
The Ken Brooke bottles were made by Peter Diamond.

He made some wonderful props during his lifetime.
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Oct 27, 2016 11:36PM)
These are my newly acquired set of Ken Brooke bottles, anodized:

[img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/ab/00/4e/ab004ee2fac93dc013587bad48d5b4e3.jpg[/img]

[img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c2/6e/be/c26ebe35ccd85d263c42203eba97dca0.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Oct 30, 2016 12:34PM)
Interesting. I don't think I've ever seen any black anodized ANYTHING before......I guess they hold up better, yes?
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Oct 30, 2016 04:32PM)
These are a deep brown, nearly black color. They have a brownish/amberish sheen. They are a coloration of the aluminum itself, creating a dark, scratch resistant coating.

I'll let you know how well it works after I've used them a bit.

There does not seem to be much tolerance between the different-sized bottles for thick paint plus labels.
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Nov 1, 2016 07:24PM)
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Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Nov 1, 2016 07:44PM)
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Message: Posted by: john wills (Nov 2, 2016 02:49AM)
Pop, BEAUTIFUL!
Message: Posted by: Leo H (Nov 15, 2016 08:53PM)
Gorgeous labels, I wonder if Pop is going into the liquor business.
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Nov 16, 2016 01:49AM)
[quote]On Nov 15, 2016, Leo H wrote:
Gorgeous labels, I wonder if Pop is going into the liquor business. [/quote]

I have been since 1902.

Just medicinal whiskey. Not meant for recreational use.
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Nov 16, 2016 01:25PM)
Consider using brown paper bags (the size used by liquor stores) instead of tubes. In fact, using just one single bag to produce ALL the bottles (with a switch in the routine) works even better. It requires some "sleight of bottle" or "sleight of bag" moves to pull it off, if you know what I mean, but it takes it out of the "magic store prop category" and makes it more of a mystery. If you can insert a few real glass bottle look-alikes into the routine, you can allow a spectator to reach into the bag to produce those.
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Nov 16, 2016 01:57PM)
Jim, that would all be counter to my routine. This is meant to be a four minute closer to my show. It picks up a lot of speed as it goes along, and ends with a banner dropping in front of the table advertising "Pop Haydn's Tennessee Sour Mash Medicinal Whiskey."

"The "Tantalus Tubes" are a turn of the century magic prop, invented by Gene Alberti (the Great Alberti). They are intricate mechanical devices that were designed to be shown empty and then produce a live dove, a bundle of silk scarves, or a bouquet of flowers. They could also make it appear that an object vanished, or transformed. or transpositioned from one tube to another.

"These tubes became ubiquitous in music hall and vaudeville magic acts. When applied to an old trick from the 1870's called the Passe-Passe Bottle, it created a comedic classic.

"Here is an antique bottle and an antique glass. These are Tantalus Tubes.

"I cover the glass with a tube and then..."

It seems to me that calling suspicion on the tubes is better than making them obviously innocent. If the tubes are innocent, then the trick must be in the bottles...
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Nov 16, 2016 06:59PM)
[quote]On Nov 16, 2016, Pop Haydn wrote:
It seems to me that calling suspicion on the tubes is better than making them obviously innocent. If the tubes are innocent, then the trick must be in the bottles... [/quote]

Good point. Also, what works for me doesn't work for everyone, which is why magic is such an exciting business.
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Nov 28, 2016 07:39PM)
Here is the Multiplying Bottles from my show last night in the Palace of Mystery:

[youtube]ONPOvYog4WU[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Nov 28, 2016 09:51PM)
A great routine as usual, Pop! I'm glad you didn't listen to any of my ideas!
Message: Posted by: The Bard (Dec 2, 2016 06:02AM)
Thanks for posting this Pop.
I am working on the trick at the moment for a performance in a couple of weeks.
Very challenging to create a routine around it.
Message: Posted by: MikeDes (Dec 2, 2016 02:37PM)
Thought I would share mine :)

https://youtu.be/icw7cBgyNtU
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Dec 2, 2016 03:56PM)
[quote]On Dec 2, 2016, MikeDes wrote:
Thought I would share mine :)

https://youtu.be/icw7cBgyNtU [/quote]

Nice job, Mike!
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Feb 10, 2017 06:23PM)
[youtube]Ew2pwTOuePg[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: jefkve (Feb 11, 2017 03:24PM)
Great presentation there Pop. Going to have to try and catch your show next time I get out to the castle!
Message: Posted by: Leo H (Feb 11, 2017 08:13PM)
[quote]On Feb 11, 2017, jefkve wrote:
Great presentation there Pop. Going to have to try and catch your show next time I get out to the castle! [/quote]

Agreed, Pop's performance here is chuckle inducing.
Message: Posted by: TheRaven (Feb 21, 2017 10:16PM)
I developed this routine last year...

[youtube]bh9WsqUi7bY[/youtube]

https://youtu.be/bh9WsqUi7bY
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Mar 13, 2017 02:43PM)
Fun routine!
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Mar 14, 2017 09:01AM)
For what it's worth, just a thin little lining of felt glued to the inside of the bottom of the bottles will GREATLY enhance the durability of the finish and help avoid having the bottles from "Talking."

Depending on the gauge and "Nesting Clearance" of your particular set of bottles, this may or may not be problematic for you, but it's certainly worth a try in my opinion.
Message: Posted by: TheRaven (Mar 15, 2017 05:32PM)
Good tip. I lined the tubes with adhesive felt but didn't think about the bottles.
Message: Posted by: ASW (Sep 26, 2017 11:54PM)
[quote]On Nov 28, 2016, Pop Haydn wrote:
Here is the Multiplying Bottles from my show last night in the Palace of Mystery:

[youtube]ONPOvYog4WU[/youtube] [/quote]

Love it.
Message: Posted by: ASW (Sep 27, 2017 12:03AM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2017, Pop Haydn wrote:
[youtube]Ew2pwTOuePg[/youtube] [/quote]

Even better!
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Sep 27, 2017 10:08AM)
For those who have never seen him, Here is a YouTube link to Denny Haney performing his version of the multiplying bottles.....enjoy!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9KinKTSsaA
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Sep 27, 2017 10:10AM)
And here is Ron Wilson performing HIS version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1-KpkOMzE
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Sep 27, 2017 10:14AM)
And here is Master Payne performing HIS version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx85OGLjxWY
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Sep 27, 2017 10:19AM)
And, last but not least, Lance Burton doing HIS version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDEc8H_dKhk
Message: Posted by: Mark Levenson (Sep 28, 2017 11:29AM)
Thanks for posting these. I hadn't seen a couple of them before and they're all quite wonderful. Also a great lesson in making the effect your own to really put it over. Remarkable how many performers use exactly the same plot and even same dialog/jokes, but how different Haney's freneticism and exuberance is from Burton's sophistication and wistfulness. And Pop's version is of course a masterpiece of comedy, timing, storytelling and audience engagement. Bears repeated viewing for the entertainment value alone, let alone the magic. The joke about the magician who created a two-bottle routine is hysterical. Again, thanks for sharing.
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Feb 2, 2019 06:04PM)
"The joke about the magician who created a two-bottle routine is hysterical."
Mark Levenson

*********************

That wasn't a joke. The history described is about the same timing, but all the rest is bogus. The Passe Passe Bottles was popular in the 1870's, and years later the comedy version. Then the Multiplying Bottles came about in the 1920's. The routine developed in the 1920's was the basis for Ken's routine.

The Passe Passe Bottle was explained in Magic and Its Mysteries, by J. Dazley Theobald, 1880, p. 82. and in Greater Magic in 1876.

https://geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.php?title=Passe-Passe_Bottles



[youtube]z0vCrLwplck[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 3, 2019 10:09AM)
The great comedy team Bud Abbott and Lou Costello in a television comedy skit using the Comedy Passe Passe Bottles. Enjoy!


[youtube]KxEi6hs2Fa4[/youtube]