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Topic: Propless.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Oct 9, 2016 05:58PM)
I've been completely out of touch with mentalism for the last eighteen months or so. But as a huge fan of prop-less mentalism in an informal context I wonder if any Café members could suggest items for me to check out that have been released in the past couple of years. I've been dipping my toe back in by purchasing items such as 'Rose' and 'Kings Never Die' and I can't say I've been particularly inspired.
Are there effects that Café members would say have really stood out and advanced the thinking in a significant way? I'm especially interested to hear if anyone feels there have been any significant effects pertaining to name divinations, word divinations, star sign and birthday divinations or thought card effects.
Please feel to PM me or reply on here with your recommendations. All help appreciated.
Message: Posted by: j100taylor (Oct 9, 2016 06:35PM)
Tequila Hustler was good
Message: Posted by: Cody Nottingham (Oct 9, 2016 09:12PM)
Martin, try Atlas Brookings and Fraser Parker. Both have a lot of prop-less material.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Oct 10, 2016 04:07AM)
Thank you Cody. I am a massive admirer of Atlas's work. It is so thoroughly tested and considered and beautifully written. In fact, I've just re-read Train Tracking to enjoy the prose!
Sadly, I think Fraser Parker's material is the polar opposite. I find it incredible that people can charge money for such poorly written, poorly thought out material.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Oct 10, 2016 04:08AM)
Thanks j100. I have Tequila Hustler and found it an interesting variation on the theme.
Message: Posted by: WooverM (Oct 10, 2016 04:32AM)
PM Sent.
Message: Posted by: Adrien L. (Oct 10, 2016 04:33AM)
Are you familiar with the works of Aaron Alexander? He has a very different approach... his Ant Queen is one of my all time favorites, although I admit it won't suit everyone... but I think it's still free to get, so if you don't know it, give it a read :) Aaron's Zodiac Killer is a very interesting Zodiac divination and his book "Pygmalion Effects" is great!

I also like Matt Mello's Heritage, from "State of Mind"...
Message: Posted by: RealityRocks (Oct 10, 2016 07:11AM)
[quote]On Oct 10, 2016, Martin Pulman wrote:
Thanks j100. I have Tequila Hustler and found it an interesting variation on the theme. [/quote]

A few people told me that Strange Oblique by Mark Elson is really enjoyable if you enjoyed TH. Cannot tell that personally though, cause I haven't read it, yet.

Regarding Atlas's effects, I really like his cloud9 which is in his penguin lecture as well as in his Intrepid book. (birthday div)

Mark Elsdons penguin lecture are really amazing, especially the discussion he has with Dan Harlan in his 2nd lecture, where they talk about E***v***e for quite some time. Really good!
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Oct 10, 2016 09:51AM)
Thank you Adrien and Reality! And thanks for the PM, Woover.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Oct 10, 2016 10:17AM)
Martin, it looks like that you got you were looking for. Nothing to add; I read (permanently) a lot, and I agree to many of the statements above. The really (IMHO) good things you seem to know. And any other really good stuff I did not discover the last 18 months or so - apart what you know already of course :) . Jan
Message: Posted by: Twisted Mentat (Oct 10, 2016 10:21AM)
Luke Jermay propless Q&A
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Oct 11, 2016 01:19PM)
V by Manos and Strange Oblique by Mark Elsdon.

Mark
Message: Posted by: John C (Oct 11, 2016 01:57PM)
Sudo Nimh
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Oct 11, 2016 03:29PM)
Thanks Jan, Twisted, Mark, John C for your suggestions. Really appreciated.
Message: Posted by: rev_marcus (Oct 12, 2016 02:21PM)
I have V by Manos and really like the prop-less, one question/no question which hand. I do not have TH, huge Elsdon fan though, but as I understand it, it is similar to his effect in CAM 1. The number of revisions that have come out on this theme latley I think are great. Really feels like mind reading to me.
Message: Posted by: rev_marcus (Oct 12, 2016 02:26PM)
[quote]On Oct 11, 2016, John C wrote:
Sudo Nimh [/quote]

Not personally familiar with Sudo Nimh, is there a particular routine that is prop-less, really great, or is it a majority of their stuff? Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Dreda (Oct 12, 2016 03:24PM)
V by Manos ? Personnaly I don't like the method...the script is too weird for me.
I prefer TH (with operation gemini), Manoeda (with a personal solution) and the effect of Barry Richardson in Theatre of the Mind.
Message: Posted by: rev_marcus (Oct 12, 2016 03:54PM)
[quote]On Oct 12, 2016, Dreda wrote:
V by Manos ? Personnaly I don't like the method...the script is too weird for me.
I prefer TH (with operation gemini), Manoeda (with a personal solution) and the effect of Barry Richardson in Theatre of the Mind. [/quote]

I don't use the script exactly from V, just the idea. The script is a little different. The timing, for me at least, is very important. If you go to quickly I think it tips the method.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Oct 12, 2016 04:54PM)
V has 4 different effects, for me the two person version that is essentially prevaricator without needing to prevaricate is for me the best version of this particular l***c p****e I have ever come across.

Mark
Message: Posted by: bowers (Oct 12, 2016 08:48PM)
[quote]On Oct 12, 2016, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
V has 4 different effects, for me the two person version that is essentially prevaricator without needing to prevaricate is for me the best version of this particular l***c p****e I have ever come across.

Mark [/quote]

Yes this version is called Verbalist. A wonderful
effect for two people.Its like TH on steroids.
I use it a lot.
Todd
Message: Posted by: John C (Oct 12, 2016 09:19PM)
[quote]On Oct 12, 2016, rev_marcus wrote:
[quote]On Oct 11, 2016, John C wrote:
Sudo Nimh [/quote]

Not personally familiar with Sudo Nimh, is there a particular routine that is prop-less, really great, or is it a majority of their stuff? Thanks! [/quote]

www.thedarkbizarre.com

He produces some nice effects.
Message: Posted by: rev_marcus (Oct 12, 2016 09:50PM)
[quote]On Oct 12, 2016, bowers wrote:
[quote]On Oct 12, 2016, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
V has 4 different effects, for me the two person version that is essentially prevaricator without needing to prevaricate is for me the best version of this particular l***c p****e I have ever come across.

Mark [/quote]

Yes this version is called Verbalist. A wonderful
effect for two people.Its like TH on steroids.
I use it a lot.
Todd [/quote]

I like the premise of Verbalist but have not used it yet, the first 2 (Veritas, Vox?) I use quite a bit. I still use a variation of Banacheks for 2 people just because it is so deep in my brain. I don't do stage so I don't know that I would use the 4th, though I haven't really read that section in-depth so maybe.
Message: Posted by: rev_marcus (Oct 12, 2016 09:51PM)
[quote]On Oct 12, 2016, John C wrote:
www.thedarkbizarre.com

He produces some nice effects. [/quote]

I will have to check out that website and search for some review, thank you.
Message: Posted by: David Thiel (Oct 12, 2016 10:36PM)
I'd have to say that my current propless favourite is still 50:50 Fantasia by Iain Rowland. I have been playing around with it for months now and I still love it. What I am doing with it now is significantly different than what it started out being. But I love that it can be performed anywhere anytime and still gets that slack jawed "holy crap" look at the end. A remarkable effect. It's taught me a lot about everything from volunteer management to presentation.

David
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Oct 13, 2016 05:19AM)
[quote]On Oct 13, 2016, rev_marcus wrote:
[quote]On Oct 12, 2016, bowers wrote:
[quote]On Oct 12, 2016, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
V has 4 different effects, for me the two person version that is essentially prevaricator without needing to prevaricate is for me the best version of this particular l***c p****e I have ever come across.

Mark [/quote]

Yes this version is called Verbalist. A wonderful
effect for two people.Its like TH on steroids.
I use it a lot.
Todd [/quote]

I like the premise of Verbalist but have not used it yet, the first 2 (Veritas, Vox?) I use quite a bit. I still use a variation of Banacheks for 2 people just because it is so deep in my brain. I don't do stage so I don't know that I would use the 4th, though I haven't really read that section in-depth so maybe. [/quote]

I use a variation of the 4th as my opener for my stage show and for me it's worth the price. Verbalist I use in casual performances along with TH and Strange Oblique. TH, then Verbalist, then Strange Oblique is effectively a complete impromptu act. I use my star sign stacking that can be found in Harpacrown during Verbalist so in that phase I reveal both peoples star sign, who is lying, who is telling the truth and where the coin is. During Strange Oblique I will throw in some cold reading.

Ah while I think of it another great effect in this category is Rock Paper Lies by Jay DiBase.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Oct 13, 2016 08:44AM)
Thank you so much, rev, Bowers, Dreda, David and Mark for all your recommendations and thoughts.
I'm also led to believe there is a release by a certain Mr Chandaue that may be worth a look!
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Oct 13, 2016 08:52AM)
Not much in the way of propless in my book it's mostly practical sure fire material that relies on old fashioned principles but it's definitely worth a look.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Oct 13, 2016 08:59AM)
I think propless is best when used as seasoning rather than the main dish, so I'll definitely have to have a look at Harpacrown.
Message: Posted by: Axel (Oct 13, 2016 09:01AM)
Agreed.
I think this beautiful. It can't get more direct then this and the presentation that comes with it is excellent.

[quote]On Oct 12, 2016, David Thiel wrote:
I'd have to say that my current propless favourite is still 50:50 Fantasia by Iain Rowland. I have been playing around with it for months now and I still love it. What I am doing with it now is significantly different than what it started out being. But I love that it can be performed anywhere anytime and still gets that slack jawed "holy crap" look at the end. A remarkable effect. It's taught me a lot about everything from volunteer management to presentation.

David [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Robb (Oct 13, 2016 02:03PM)
[quote]On Oct 12, 2016, David Thiel wrote:
I'd have to say that my current propless favourite is still 50:50 Fantasia by Iain Rowland. I have been playing around with it for months now and I still love it. What I am doing with it now is significantly different than what it started out being. But I love that it can be performed anywhere anytime and still gets that slack jawed "holy crap" look at the end. A remarkable effect. It's taught me a lot about everything from volunteer management to presentation.

David [/quote]

I've brought up 50:50 Fantasia as a propless routine in several threads... Glad we agree! It is excellent, a true master class in creating huge entertainment entirely through language and timing.
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Oct 13, 2016 03:24PM)
I'm going to throw "Reverie" by Ottoemezzo (Vlad) into the mix !
Vlad, is a Café Member.
Message: Posted by: rev_marcus (Oct 13, 2016 04:37PM)
[quote]On Oct 13, 2016, Mark_Chandaue wrote:

I use a variation of the 4th as my opener for my stage show and for me it's worth the price. Verbalist I use in casual performances along with TH and Strange Oblique. TH, then Verbalist, then Strange Oblique is effectively a complete impromptu act. I use my star sign stacking that can be found in Harpacrown during Verbalist so in that phase I reveal both peoples star sign, who is lying, who is telling the truth and where the coin is. During Strange Oblique I will throw in some cold reading.

Ah while I think of it another great effect in this category is Rock Paper Lies by Jay DiBase.

Mark [/quote]

Oh god so many things for me to buy!
Message: Posted by: Second Sight (Dec 24, 2016 09:42AM)
My best recent propless episode involves a combination of reddevil's invisible gemini with a slightly modified version of Seamus Maguire's Calibration.
Message: Posted by: Max Hazy (Dec 25, 2016 10:30AM)
I agree with Second. Operation Gemini is a wonderful tool if you're into puzzle solving approaches. Completely propless.

I can't recommend Strange Oblique by Mark Elsdon or anything by Frase Parker (I got ouija and rose). These were the worst purchases I did in 16 years.
It's always better to check the reviews before...

Imbalance by Atlas Brookings is also a very nice propless murder mystery (the best imo) and Jermay's last DVD set have some updates on Touching on Hoy.