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Topic: Tenyo's perpetual puzzle
Message: Posted by: Platt (Nov 14, 2016 09:16PM)
This looks fun. Does anyone know if the frame and pieces are examinable? Before? After?
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S21868
Message: Posted by: Mystification (Nov 15, 2016 06:07AM)
Good question. I have not heard any reviews on this one at all.
Message: Posted by: bluesmagic (Nov 15, 2016 08:36AM)
[quote]On Nov 15, 2016, Platt wrote:
This looks fun. Does anyone know if the frame and pieces are examinable? Before? After?
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S21868 [/quote]

I'm not sure but I think the pieces are normal. I suspect gimmicked box and/or frame. I'm going to order this though.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Nov 15, 2016 08:54AM)
The frame is gimmicked, too.
Message: Posted by: disneywld (Nov 15, 2016 09:38AM)
Before or after, the frame and box are not examinable. I'd have trouble also having the pieces played with. This is a Freer style puzzle, but without the an*** cut into the plastic. I like it a lot and it is cheaper than some of the true Freer puzzles. I would have preferred a plastic box over the cardboard box. I have the Japanese version and an American version is on order as I have lost the small square piece. Grrr...
Message: Posted by: Platt (Nov 23, 2016 09:55PM)
[quote]On Nov 15, 2016, disneywld wrote:
Before or after, the frame and box are not examinable. I'd have trouble also having the pieces played with. This is a Freer style puzzle, but without the an*** cut into the plastic. I like it a lot and it is cheaper than some of the true Freer puzzles. I would have preferred a plastic box over the cardboard box. I have the Japanese version and an American version is on order as I have lost the small square piece. Grrr... [/quote]

Wizard product review said it was all examinable. But something's got to give. The frame (sitting inside the box) either fits the puzzle with the extra pieces or it does not.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Nov 23, 2016 11:13PM)
I'll let you know when it comes Brian, I couldn't resist.
Message: Posted by: Platt (Nov 27, 2016 09:59AM)
Received mine. Very Tenyo and about what I thought it would be. While I love this I think there's a somewhat limited audience who will fully appreciate it. To the non-thinkers amongst us, I'm not sure they'll even register the physical impossibility of the demonstration and it will just seem like a fun visual illusion puzzle. To the thinking man (especially those familiar with the missing chocolate piece illusion) they'll assume it's just a "space between pieces" trick and they'd be very wrong. Of course my focus group of two may not be entirely indicative of the greater public reaction. So I look forward to reactions others get to this.

As for examinability, the pieces are fully examinable and the frame should pass examination too. That said, if you left the spectator with the frame and pieces and they tried to reengineer the performance, they'd find something, while not revealing, very strange and illogical. 9/10
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Nov 27, 2016 11:07AM)
I got mine also. I don't think it's a scream machine but fun from the right crowd. Not something will carry in my pocket but...
I think a dramatic replacement of the frame for disbelievers adds a little flair. Worth it for the price
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Nov 27, 2016 07:59PM)
I'm thinking that this might be nice as a bit of modern art in a frame. I would spray paint the various pieces different colors and set it up on my work desk waiting for someone to ask about it.

KJ
Message: Posted by: casinoboss (Nov 28, 2016 06:31AM)
Disneywld --

Why don't you just cut a small square out of foam core to replace the missing piece? You could also cut the second additional piece out of the same material and color the two new pieces different colors. Might even add to the presentation as the two new pieces would be obvious additions to the original translucent pieces.
Message: Posted by: wulfiesmith (Dec 3, 2016 01:15PM)
I see no reason why anyone would want to examine this.
It's a puzzle of pure genius, a bit pricey perhaps.

I would like to see this in the Tenyo Elite range.
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Dec 3, 2016 10:50PM)
Perhaps it could be in the elite range, but what would change other than the price?

I suppose it could be made of a nice wood, but would that be better?

The holder would still likely need to be made of paper.

Before I received this, I thought of making one out of wood, but at that time I really didn't realize how it worked and now see that it's not as simple as I once thought.

KJ
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 3, 2016 11:10PM)
I am interested, but I will wait and buy a used one.
Message: Posted by: wulfiesmith (Dec 4, 2016 03:42AM)
1KJ ... my thoughts entirely.
A nice wooden surround and perhaps a wooden holder?

In its present form, this is still a nice item.

With its brightly coloured acrylic pieces and black holder, it's an item of intrigue, and eye-catcher.
When left in view, people always stop and ask "what's that"?

Would I buy it again ... yes I would.
Would I pay more for the Elite version ... absolutely!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 4, 2016 05:37AM)
To remove any confusion and to make things clear:-

Only the frame is gimmicked. The cardboard box is also gimmicked but is of less importance.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 4, 2016 04:17PM)
Good to know. Thanks, Ustaad.
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Dec 5, 2016 11:52AM)
Wulfiesmith,

As I think about this more, this would be nice if made of wood. The frame could be made of wood as well, and it would make sense if it all came in a cardboard box.

I think it would be even better if it was made of wood, in a two part wooden frame. Perhaps something that looks like modern art where you could have it on a wall.

To me, this is not something that I would likely take to a gig, unless that gig was educational in nature. Say a demonstration on how to think outside the box or how to get a little more out of yourself.

However, it would be great as a display on a desk or on a wall.

KJ
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Aug 4, 2017 12:14PM)
I have just acquired this - what a splendid, fun item. Ideal for close up and intriguing and puzzling family and friends. It puts a smile on my face every time I perform.

Neil
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Mar 3, 2018 10:39PM)
[quote]On Nov 15, 2016, disneywld wrote:
Before or after, the frame and box are not examinable. I'd have trouble also having the pieces played with. This is a Freer style puzzle, but without the an*** cut into the plastic. I like it a lot and it is cheaper than some of the true Freer puzzles. I would have preferred a plastic box over the cardboard box. I have the Japanese version and an American version is on order as I have lost the small square piece. Grrr... [/quote]

What is the American version ? Is it made better ?