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Topic: Orange Lemon egg...
Message: Posted by: Darcy (Mar 29, 2004 12:29AM)
Hey guys, Just wondering if anyone has seen or used the Proline cage for the orange lemon egg and parakeet. I have heard great things about both the Malloy and Chalet versions, but just wondering if anyone has had any experience with the Proline version.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 29, 2004 02:12AM)
Did not know they made the effect. I would not buy anything from Proline. Do a search on this company on the Café. Poor reputation.
Message: Posted by: Darcy (Mar 29, 2004 01:28PM)
Really? I always thought that Proline had a good reputation.
Message: Posted by: sperris (Mar 31, 2004 09:25PM)
Proline is good. It's Doug Tilford who promotes Proline that's got the bad rep. This unfortunately has rubbed off on Proline. I know Cliff, the owner and main builder of Proline, personally and he is a great guy! If you ever work with Proline, go directly to Cliff Wiggs and not Doug Tilford.

sperris
Message: Posted by: Salazar Magic (Apr 1, 2004 10:15AM)
I have the Proline Cage... It's great
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 1, 2004 05:55PM)
Salazar Magic,

Now we know you have the Proline Cage could you give any pros or cons to this cage? Table? etc?
Message: Posted by: Salazar Magic (Apr 3, 2004 09:47AM)
There is no table... just the cage.

It's very sleek and deceptive. Don't have much to compare it to other that the firest one I bought fron xrillusions which is a piece of ****.

Let me know if you have any specific questions about the cage.
Message: Posted by: Darcy (Apr 3, 2004 11:05AM)
Does it work on the same roller blind principle?
Message: Posted by: Salazar Magic (Apr 4, 2004 12:11AM)
Yup.
Message: Posted by: WayneNZ (Dec 14, 2005 08:40PM)
Does Proline have its own website?
Message: Posted by: Crispy (Dec 15, 2005 01:07AM)
I know this is about Proline, but I'll just give my two cents about the Chalet cage, which I use.

Chalet has moved the door to the side of the cage, making the appearance of the canary from the egg more visible. Your hand is not longer at the front of the cage blocking the audience's view inside.

Chalet also offers the option of having a plexi-glass front to the cage, also making it more visible.

And if you want a practical way to vanish you items, I uses a "Dove to Silk Sensation" banner. Put the canary in, and it changes to a yellow silk. Put the egg in and it changes to a white silk. Put the lemon in and it changes to a yellow silk. Better than a devil's hank and packs smaller than a gimmicked table.

Best wishes

Cris
Message: Posted by: WayneNZ (Dec 15, 2005 03:31AM)
Don't know that I would be happy waiting for over six months for a prop.
A few guys have paid up front. Chalet needs to sort their problems out.
Message: Posted by: Crispy (Dec 15, 2005 07:34PM)
I waited quite a while for my cage from Chalet. He is currently running his shop by himself as the sole builder. He no longer employs other carpenters or builders. I found it worth the wait for the quality prop I received and have no complaints.

Cris
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Dec 15, 2005 11:57PM)
I agree. Props are an investment. The wait is just part of it. Lucy and I use a lot of Chalet props.

Bob Sanders
Magio By Sander
Message: Posted by: prolineprops (Dec 22, 2005 07:07AM)
Hi guys and gals,

Just a few thoughts.
Clear plexi on the front can increase visibility or kill it depending on lighting and glare. Rumor has it that David Copperfield's cage had a plexi front because David liked the style of the cage but the front was broken. The plexi replacement was a "fix". Most bird cages of that size have a front door. Again, Copperfield used a side door because of the front replacement. Most magicians want what they see on T.V. which is probably why Chalet constructs his with the side door and plexi front.

Why not just turn the cage around and have the door on the back for the production, to increase visibility?
Just my .02 which isn't worth much with inflation.

Cliff Wiggs
Message: Posted by: WayneNZ (Dec 22, 2005 08:09AM)
Cliff,

Do You build one ?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 22, 2005 01:01PM)
When I was at a magic convention, Chalet Magic made his cages with plexi fronts. I thought about the lighting problem as well. Stage lights bouncing off the plexi and the audience would not see anything.
Message: Posted by: Crispy (Dec 22, 2005 05:47PM)
You are right about lighting, but from what I can tell of videos of my performances, that hasn't been a problem so far. When I ordered my cage from Chalet about 4 years ago, he offered the option of either the wire or the plexi front. Since they are made to order, I'm sure he could make you which ever you prefer. After all, to make the plexi front, he actually has to remove the wire front from the cage.

I've gotten terrific responses from this effect. I knock myself out doing the big stuff, and someone told me once they thought the OLEC was the highlight of my act.

Cris
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Dec 22, 2005 10:49PM)
I personally prefer the Plexiglas. I don't do that specific trick but I do use a Plexiglas top that George built for me (1979-81?) on other tricks in my act. When he built it for me he wanted to put some kind of perch in it. I have often wished I had agreed.

Incidentally, the Plexiglas has out lasted the regular bars by many years. Back then it was $30 extra. That's a bargain!

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Ben Pratt (Jan 13, 2006 04:36PM)
Salazar,
I agree, the cage from xrillusions is definitely no good. I had BAD experiences with that one.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jan 14, 2006 12:42PM)
Question:
Why bother with the cage? I know it makes the effect look bigger, BUT I've used a slightly modified mirror goblet for the effect, and for a barehanded method, a harness. These move the focus from the props, to me, and (in my humble opinion) look more like real magic than a trick.
Just a little thinking outside of the box, or in this case, the cage.

Tony
Message: Posted by: DaveWomach (Jan 23, 2006 11:51PM)
I currently use Doug Malloy's cage, and have well over a thousand real world performances on it. I have only had 3 "mis-fires" where it didn't appear. All of those were because I didn't load it myself. Even with these mis-fires, the effect still looked great, I just had to quickly release the gimmick from within the cage. Not a big deal, and the audience had no clue.

Being from the west coast, I haven't had the opportunity to really use much of Chalet or Proline's equipment... but yes... stay away from Tilford.

I have heard ONLY great things about Cliff though!

Hope this helps...

Dave
Message: Posted by: sperris (Jan 24, 2006 03:14AM)
I built a prototype for when I used to do this routine where the egg is broken on a swing and the parakeet appears on the swing. I'll have to dig for it but if anyone interested in it and think they want to tinker with it let me know.

How do you get 100 eggs, 100 lemons, 100 parakeets, and 1 orange in a dish for the OLEC routine?

...an electro chop-o-matic


how do you get them out?


...a tortilla chip.
Message: Posted by: mysticmark (Nov 17, 2006 03:06PM)
Wait till you see Cliff's new OLEC from Proline. It's a killer. I have the new version and I shouldn't tell anyone so I'll have the only one. lol I spend a lot for good props and this is class and quality rolled into one. So what I'm trying to say, is don't buy one so I will be the only one with the best.
Message: Posted by: cardone (Nov 17, 2006 05:57PM)
How long can the bird stay loaded in the Malloy cage ? Lots of room? And do you know if anyone make an OLEP that looks old school, like something you would have seen in the 40's, Abbotts style ?
Thanks guys
Message: Posted by: prolineprops (Nov 20, 2006 08:04AM)
Thanks for the plug mysticmark. I'm pleased you like the new design. This is an old thread and reading my former post, I had to chuckle because my new cage now has a plexi front and back. Hey, a guy can change his mind, can't he? I should have pics on my website in a couple of days.

Just for the record, I went with a new design as a compromise with another great builder ;Doug Malloy. Although I've been making the cage your many years, it has been mostly "underground". Doug saw pictures of my former design on the Café' a couple of months ago and gave me a call. It was a very pleasant conversation and in the end, we both agreed there might be confussion in the marketplace as we both used a similar cage style. Since his version was more widley visible through many magazine ads, I conceeded to change my design and I'm glad I did.

Check it out if your interested. It is a very contemporary design and different than anything you have seen before.

Cliff Wiggs
Message: Posted by: DaveWomach (Nov 20, 2006 08:43AM)
What's your website Cliff?
Thanks.
Dave
Message: Posted by: prolineprops (Nov 21, 2006 06:48AM)
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On 2006-11-20 09:43, DaveWomach wrote:
What's your website Cliff?
Thanks.
Dave
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Hi Dave!

It is still under major construction. I have three new products to upload-hopefully this week; OLEP, Rabbit Vanish, and Doves to Small Animal (ala Lady to Lion).
The addy is http://www.proline-magic.com

Cliff
Message: Posted by: dove-boy (Nov 21, 2006 08:06AM)
I am a perfectionist when comes to quality, most of the past props I ordered…..I will always have some minor displeased with certain issues.

BUT, Cliff previous OLEC cage totally blew me away when I received it 2 months back, I have NOT seen such a well Made cage; I am NOT kidding...WOW! Now I can't bear to use it...

I own 2 other OLEC by other big manufactures, (With NO disrespect to them-in my personal view)Cliff's stands out & beats them hands down!

Cliff's hooking method, is SO SO Easy to lock & release....we always have a problem, with the past cage with the hooking method...but his is so easy to work, the idea is amazing!

He makes my custom made OLEC machine by Renowned Las Vegas Mechanical Magician-Mike Michaels looks a beauty!

Now looking to receiving my PWPro Cage with 4 legs & buying his new OLEC cage,I can't wait :P

Thanks again Cliff :)
dove-boy
Message: Posted by: allan31 (Nov 22, 2006 02:17AM)
Hi !

I would like to tell you Cliff is a great guy and I am waiting to recieve my prop from Cliff : a custom 6 doves to cockatoo.
I guess it's going to be my cage on the website this week !!!

I had some years ago a dove cage vanish from Proline and it really was an incredible prop, very deceptive, beautifull on stage. The new Pw procage with the ideas of Jason Purdy seems to be even better.

I bought an OLEC from Doug Malloy 4 years ago and I am very happy with it but I really like the design of this effect from Cliff.

Best regards,
Allan
Message: Posted by: Bryan Gilles (Dec 5, 2006 12:32AM)
I look forward to seeing the new design as well! OLEP is my "bread & butter" effect...

-Bryan