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Topic: Our friends at Microsoft
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Mar 5, 2017 09:36PM)
Those wonderful people at Microsoft have decided to improve the wildly popular game FREECELL, although absolutely no one ask for it to be changed. Seems of the million or so permeations there are eight that so far have not been solved. Microsoft has barred these from their game so that sensitive young people will not be accidentally subjected to the trauma of failure.s
So far Microsoft is not offering the earlier version of FREECELL for those brave souls who are willing to risk failure playing a game that might not be won.
If this is successful Microsoft engineers next project might be a version of Windows that works.
Message: Posted by: Salguod Nairb (Mar 6, 2017 01:28AM)
Online games are no longer about being challenging. Now it is only about repetition, simple goals, and killing time.

All of which are available to play on so called smartphones...
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Mar 6, 2017 03:40PM)
The random version of FREECELL is back as a option, along with an option for more difficult play.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Mar 6, 2017 07:32PM)
[quote]On Mar 5, 2017, ringmaster wrote:
Those wonderful people at Microsoft have decided to improve the wildly popular game FREECELL, although absolutely no one ask for it to be changed. Seems of the million or so permeations there are eight that so far have not been solved. Microsoft has barred these from their game so that sensitive young people will not be accidentally subjected to the trauma of failure.s
So far Microsoft is not offering the earlier version of FREECELL for those brave souls who are willing to risk failure playing a game that might not be won.
If this is successful Microsoft engineers next project might be a version of Windows that works. [/quote]

I don't quite understand your concern. If I do a crossword puzzle, I have a reasonable expectation that a solution exists. Why would I expect less of freecell?

Guess I'm one of those "sensitive young people" who has expectations that games are winnable and puzzles are solvable. What degenerates we are!
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Mar 6, 2017 08:11PM)
Magnus if [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames]WOPR[/url] offers you a game of Global Thermonuclear War - maybe don't play.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 6, 2017 08:12PM)
What is the point in doing a puzzle that has no solution? Why play a game that can't be won? I'm confused.
Message: Posted by: acesover (Mar 6, 2017 11:54PM)
I don't believe they are unsolvable. Just that no one has solved them yet. I may be wrong because I do not follow these games but that is how it sounds to me. Sort of like Rubik's Cube for me.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 7, 2017 09:07AM)
Well the computer would know pretty quickly if it can or can not be solved.

And incidentally not for nothing I believe there are far more than a million combinations.
Message: Posted by: acesover (Mar 7, 2017 12:52PM)
While on combinations or possibilities here is a very weird fact. Do you have any idea how many different combinations you can arrange a 52 card deck? What ever your guess, your guess probably WAYYYY OFFFF. :bikes:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 7, 2017 02:57PM)
Not mine. It was the point I was making. Every time a deck of cards is shuffled there is a good chance no deck had ever been in that order. So no my guess is not WAYYY off because I know the answer.

Someone put up a thread about it here a little while back.

90,000,000,000,000,000,000. (90 quintillion I think.)

Or a lot.

More stars than are out there or some such thing?
Message: Posted by: acesover (Mar 7, 2017 03:59PM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
Not mine. It was the point I was making. Every time a deck of cards is shuffled there is a good chance no deck had ever been in that order. So no my guess is not WAYYY off because I know the answer.

Someone put up a thread about it here a little while back.

90,000,000,000,000,000,000. (90 quintillion I think.)More stars than are out there or some such thing?

Or a lot.


Actually 8 with 67 zeros behind it. Probably never has nor will there ever will be every conceivable combination set up. So if you pick up a deck of cards that has been randomly washed (shuffled) that combination has probably never existed nor will it ever again. (Just more useless information)
[/quote] :wow:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 7, 2017 04:31PM)
Http://nowiknow.com/shuffled/
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Mar 8, 2017 05:54PM)
The number of possible permutations — arrangements, basically — of a deck of cards is 52! (“fifty two factorial”), or approximately 8×1067. That’s such a long number, it breaks the margins of this page, so forgive the space:

8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
There was one unattainable game in the original version of freecell {32,000 posistions}, there are eight unwon games in the current version (1,000,0000 verions). There are also two Easter Egg games(-1 & -2) plus autosolve. Some non- Microsoft versions can generate more games.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Mar 8, 2017 09:53PM)
Although he number of,permutations of a deck of cards overstates the number of relevant Free Cell games, as interchanging any two rows of equal size doesn't change anything.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 8, 2017 10:06PM)
All I know is it is quite a few more than a million or so.