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Topic: SVENLOPES 50 BLACK. Svengali ENVELOPES. A NEW FORCE IN THE Svengali MAGIC WOR
Message: Posted by: Jean-Luc.R. (Mar 16, 2017 12:46PM)
What a great idea !
I love this .

SVENLOPES 50 BLACK. Svengali ENVELOPES. (Svengali Envelopes i) A NEW FORCE IN THE Svengali MAGIC WORLD. :
Price: $24.95

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/8141

CONCEPT – The Svengali principle is one of the oldest forcing principles in magic and mentalism. From beginners to experienced pros, almost everyone uses this principle – either in the form of Svengali cards or Svengali pads or Svengali books. But these Svengali cards, pads, books have now become too common and ubiquitous.
Enter Svenlopes. A pack of Svengali envelopes which will now add an extra layer of deception to the classic Svengali force.
QUALITY – Svenlopes are precision laser cut envelopes manufactured using auto digital process. Top quality paper of optimal gsm is used for making Svenlopes. The force is along the length of the envelopes. The difference in alternate envelopes is totally imperceptible. The almost insane level of quality control allows you to concentrate fully on your presentation rather than on the props.
TESTING – Svenlopes are individually hand tested for both making and handling before being packed.
PACKING – Each pack of Svenlopes comes out with a 2-level packing. This ensures that the pack is tamper-proof and more importantly keeps the envelope corners intact and prevents getting crushed in transit. So you get a fresh and crisp set of Svenlopes.
ROUTINES – Almost all the routines out there for the regular Svengali cards and Svengali pads/books can also be performed with Svenlopes – with an added layer of deception. In fact, when a spectator chooses one envelope out of 50, she can freely handle the single envelope as there is nothing apparently gimmicked about it. Not just that, the spectator can freely handle the pack of Svenlopes by giving it multiple complete cuts and then choosing the top envelope anytime.
WHAT YOU GET – A pack of 50 Svenlopes in black color with box packing containing 25 normal and 25 force envelopes. No routines are included.
Message: Posted by: Jean-Luc.R. (Mar 16, 2017 12:48PM)
Picture of the black Svenlopes !
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Mar 16, 2017 12:52PM)
I published this in my booklet Profeign several years ago...
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Mar 16, 2017 12:53PM)
I called mine Svenvelopes...
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Mar 16, 2017 01:00PM)
Http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=447705&forum=303
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Mar 16, 2017 01:01PM)
Good luck with the release, I'd appreciate a credit though please...
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 16, 2017 11:57PM)
I want a set too :-)

I have no involvement with this Sven project, but I know that Stevens Magic has this and I look forward to playing with a set.

A credit Iain? Do you know who released this per chance?

I'm also curious if this is really Sven principle - or more like a key card/envelope?

The two are different animals are they not?
Message: Posted by: Yuan Moons (Mar 17, 2017 01:36AM)
25 force and 25 normal envelopes sounds like Svengali to me.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Mar 17, 2017 02:42AM)
Yeah, someone called Sven Lee...

I'm imagining it's Bruce Lee's brother, but shorter.,
Message: Posted by: Fatgumbo (Mar 17, 2017 11:51AM)
Are you expected to show your spectator the other 51 envelopes that they contain different cards? I must be missing the point here.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Mar 17, 2017 01:13PM)
[quote]On Mar 17, 2017, Fatgumbo wrote:
Are you expected to show your spectator the other 51 envelopes that they contain different cards? I must be missing the point here. [/quote]

I was wondering the same thing.
Although I like the concept, it is critical you show what's in at least some of the other envelopes and how do you do that without it looking like you are just picking certain ones?
Showing even a few of them seems like it would really bog down the presentation and still may not be that convincing.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Mar 17, 2017 01:15PM)
Love the idea!
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 17, 2017 10:16PM)
Well I ordered a set from Stevens and will report back.

Iain who appears to have developed this idea is not saying much now... is this the same as what you created in 2012?

If so it seems you should be credited.

I have not a clue who is putting this out though.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 17, 2017 10:17PM)
[quote]On Mar 17, 2017, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Mar 17, 2017, Fatgumbo wrote:
Are you expected to show your spectator the other 51 envelopes that they contain different cards? I must be missing the point here. [/quote]

I was wondering the same thing.
Although I like the concept, it is critical you show what's in at least some of the other envelopes and how do you do that without it looking like you are just picking certain ones?
Showing even a few of them seems like it would really bog down the presentation and still may not be that convincing. [/quote]

I agree.

What do envelopes give you that a clear force bag (for example) would not?
Message: Posted by: Colin (C.J.) (Mar 18, 2017 10:36AM)
[quote]On Mar 16, 2017, IAIN wrote:
Good luck with the release, I'd appreciate a credit though please... [/quote]
:bawl: :rotf:
Message: Posted by: ArielIllusionist (Mar 18, 2017 01:06PM)
Here's what I would do if this was my product. I would use the un-gimmicked and gimmicked envelopes with a window slot on them to show the different content inside (w/o having to open each of them). I would quickly show the contents seen through the window envelopes by riffling one way (as per the Svengali pads). Then when I'm ready for the spectator to pick one, I would turn them around so that the window part of the envelopes are turned down unseen (which rationale we convey to the spectator). Of course, the envelopes are cut to fit this force turn with the window facing down (which are easily done on a precise machine ). Finally, hand the envelopes to the spectator and let them riffle and stop on one. Pull it out and behold: YOUR FORCE!

I'm not defending such a product, but here's the benefit to having this kind of envelope (which is a different way to force than the two-way clear bag) Brett Barry. Unlike, the SvenPad, which I love (as well as the maker :-) ) and just bought 3 more of the smaller ones to use on a show—just to be clear, if the envelopes are made well, one can reuse them many times and all one has to do is change the contents and the type of force. The advantage of this over a SvenPad is that once you write whatever force you decide to do on the pad, that's it. You will forever be forced to used this force (no pun intended). You must buy another pad to do another force. With such envelopes that I'm think about WHICH DO NOT EXIST (Brett Barry here's an idea for you), NOT THESE, one simply changes the contents of the type of force and reuse the gimmick over and over, like a clear-force bag. OK, now I've come full circle to Brett Barry's point. Why use envelopes rather than a clear force bag? Well, the answer to that is obvious, once I thought about it a bit more. Why have SvenPad if a clear force bag exist, Luca Volpe's Black Box, Mark Shortland's AMAZE BOX, CARD FORCE techniques, etc. . . ? ANSWER: One will use a particular force that best fits his peculiar and particular effect, which criteria that determines this is time, patter, venue, effect, presentation, etc. . . .

So, my conclusion is that there may be room for this kind of force with the idea I've presented above, but not the SVENLOPES 50 Black—which remain a mystery how one can present the contents inside to the spectator.
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Mar 18, 2017 01:11PM)
If your suggestion would be to make them windowed envelopes, then what is the reason for having them in envelopes to begin with? Seems to defeat the purpose.
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Mar 18, 2017 01:19PM)
[quote]On Mar 17, 2017, saysold1 wrote:
Well I ordered a set from Stevens and will report back.

Iain who appears to have developed this idea is not saying much now... is this the same as what you created in 2012?

If so it seems you should be credited.

I have not a clue who is putting this out though. [/quote]

When I saw it advertised I assumed you were putting it out. I guess not!
Message: Posted by: ArielIllusionist (Mar 18, 2017 01:29PM)
IAN,

Brett just informed me that you had this idea I presented here on a Café forum in 2012? Did you also think of presenting the envelopes the way I've described it here?
Message: Posted by: ArielIllusionist (Mar 18, 2017 01:35PM)
TuneHV,

The reason to use windows I've explained above. Why put them in envelopes and turn them around unseen for the spectator to pick is the same reason you have box, bag or even cards turn downwards and ask the spectator to pick. All that this sort on devise (Clear-SvEnvelopes I've suggested which Idea supposedly IAN seem to have) adds is one more device to the number of other force devise to the market. Thus, here I conclude with what I've said above:

"Why use envelopes rather than a clear force bag? Well, the answer to that is obvious, once I thought about it a bit more. Why have SvenPad if a clear force bag exist, Luca Volpe's Black Box, Mark Shortland's AMAZE BOX, CARD FORCE techniques, etc. . . ? ANSWER: One will use a particular force that best fits his peculiar and particular effect, which criteria that determines this is time, patter, venue, effect, presentation, etc. . . .

So, my conclusion is that there may be room for this kind of force with the idea I've presented above, but not the SVENLOPES 50 Black—which remain a mystery how one can present the contents inside to the spectator."
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Mar 18, 2017 01:49PM)
[quote]On Mar 17, 2017, saysold1 wrote:
Well I ordered a set from Stevens and will report back.

Iain who appears to have developed this idea is not saying much now... is this the same as what you created in 2012?

If so it seems you should be credited.

I have not a clue who is putting this out though. [/quote]

i have nothing else to say really...i did research before putting it in PROFEIGN, couldn't find any - asked around too (bob c. and others) - the book was out and in the lulu.com best sellers in that category, and in Jheff's best releases of that year too...i've spoken with shaun from penguin, he's getting me some contact details soon...

as I said elsewhere, the concept of a Svengali is probably the most obvious one to port over to other items, that's probably why I was a bit confused that I couldn't find anyone else to credit!

and as asked previously, yes - it originally sprang from having a kind of floating key card, but in a bunch of envelopes and it went from there to its natural progression...

from reading their blurb - they have put it along the long edge of a certain envelope, my concept works across a wider range of envelopes, and can be done very quickly, with nothing much else indeed...

i might just post the idea downstairs and be done with it y'know...

so yeah, I'm sure these custom laser cut fancy envelopes will float a lot of boats!

i'm not especially commercially minded - I never thought people would really want or need these specially created and sized envelopes at that price...but hey, out of my control so good luck to 'em...

would just appreciate the credit - the book was out for a good couple of years...reviewed here and on marketplaceofthemind and elsewhere...
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Mar 18, 2017 03:12PM)
I once presented a routine using 5 envelopes. I found the need to insert items into the envelopes and then mix them etc was a slow process and it taught me to be careful in using effects involving many envelopes.

For this reason, for those who get these Sven envelopes, do think carefully about routining.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 18, 2017 07:33PM)
[quote]On Mar 18, 2017, Tim Hannig wrote:
[quote]On Mar 17, 2017, saysold1 wrote:
Well I ordered a set from Stevens and will report back.

Iain who appears to have developed this idea is not saying much now... is this the same as what you created in 2012?

If so it seems you should be credited.

I have not a clue who is putting this out though. [/quote]

When I saw it advertised I assumed you were putting it out. I guess not! [/quote]

Nope.

Never seen them - never held them - have NO IDEA who put this out.

Mark Stevens (who I love) apologized for the slightly confusing wording with my name etc. He will revise for future emails.
Message: Posted by: IMAGINACIAN (Apr 2, 2017 12:06PM)
I got them from Penguin. Very happy with this purchase. The set of envelopes is top quality and well made. They handle real nice n smooth. Got 50 pieces in the set - 25 normal and 25 gimmiked. Price point of $24.95 is highly reasonable for what I got. This is a great idea. An included pdf gives a lot of tips and is quite helpful.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/8141

This would be ideal for those who want to get away from Svengali cards. One clear advantage of envelopes over books/pads is 'reusability'. I can now use my set of 50 envelopes for multiple routines - just change the theme or what you keep inside the envelopes and you have a new routine. Whereas with books/pads I'll need multiple pads for multiple routines.

Will report back after some 'live plays'
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Apr 2, 2017 12:46PM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2017, IMAGINACIAN wrote:
I got them from Penguin. Very happy with this purchase. The set of envelopes is top quality and well made. They handle real nice n smooth. Got 50 pieces in the set - 25 normal and 25 gimmiked. Price point of $24.95 is highly reasonable for what I got. This is a great idea. An included pdf gives a lot of tips and is quite helpful.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/8141

This would be ideal for those who want to get away from Svengali cards. One clear advantage of envelopes over books/pads is 'reusability'. I can now use my set of 50 envelopes for multiple routines - just change the theme or what you keep inside the envelopes and you have a new routine. Whereas with books/pads I'll need multiple pads for multiple routines.

Will report back after some 'live plays' [/quote]

Was Iain Dunford credited, or is it an uncredited ripoff?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 2, 2017 03:29PM)
After speaking with Mark from SME, the creators said they will credit - but dunno anymore than that, I guess we'll wait and see...and often happens, I guess re-invention happens quite a bit, and they have been making/selling these in India for quite some time (but I don't have a timeline to compare it to)...

so its not a big deal really, seems above board so far... :)
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Apr 2, 2017 05:21PM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2017, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
[quote]On Apr 2, 2017, IMAGINACIAN wrote:
I got them from Penguin. Very happy with this purchase. The set of envelopes is top quality and well made. They handle real nice n smooth. Got 50 pieces in the set - 25 normal and 25 gimmiked. Price point of $24.95 is highly reasonable for what I got. This is a great idea. An included pdf gives a lot of tips and is quite helpful.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/8141

This would be ideal for those who want to get away from Svengali cards. One clear advantage of envelopes over books/pads is 'reusability'. I can now use my set of 50 envelopes for multiple routines - just change the theme or what you keep inside the envelopes and you have a new routine. Whereas with books/pads I'll need multiple pads for multiple routines.

Will report back after some 'live plays' [/quote]

Was Iain Dunford credited, or is it an uncredited ripoff? [/quote]

I'm curious how practical it would be though to open many envelopes to show the contents? Seems far easier in real life to simply show pages in a pad or notebook- or deck?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Apr 2, 2017 05:28PM)
Ok I think I understand now. I don't agree with the mere TOY claim LOL.

Every utility tool has it's place. I'm also wondering if this is a "hands off" force, which is what makes the SvenPads so potent. With no bindings to hold them together - can this be used freely handed to a spectator?

If only the performer handles, some in the audience might wonder if there was some magician sleight or control used. Hands off with a SvenPad, the fairness is greatly amplified. That said, this could be cool for the right situations.

This is from the Penguin advert:

SVENLOPES ADVANTAGES
1. SVENLOPES FOR Svengali WITH OBJECTS - A BIG advantage
of using a pack of Svenlopes is that your FIELD OF PLAY extends
FAR BEYOND just playing cards or Svengali force pads. With
Svenlopes you can start using ACTUAL OBJECTS like poker chips,
coins, keys, billets, photos of movie stars or music icons or
wanted criminals etc, mini greeting cards, stamps, lotto tickets,
travel tickets, tarot cards, symbol cards, alphabet cards, picture
cards, mini movie posters, number cards, business cards, id
cards etc etc...the applications are actually UNLIMITED...limited
only by your imagination. And the beauty is NONE of the
OBJECTS need to be gimmicked because the Svenlopes pack
takes care of that.

2. SVENLOPES - ONE PACK. MULTIPLE ROUTINES. A BIGGER
advantage of using a pack of Svenlopes is that UNLIKE Svengali
playing cards or Svengali force pads, you DO NOT have to
consume a different pack for each different routine. Just one
single Svenlopes pack can be used for multiple routines with
multiple objects. Simply take out the earlier objects and replace
with whatever new objects you want to do a routine with. So
no RECURRING expense for a long time.

3. SVENLOPES ELEVATE Svengali PRINCIPLE FROM A TOY TO
A TOOL – The biggest advantage of using a pack of Svenlopes is
that YOUR Svengali magic will get elevated from a mere toy, to
which the Svengali principle has unfortunately been reduced, to
the status of a great deceptive tool, which the Svengali principle
deserves. Svenlopes achieve that for you.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 3, 2017 08:28AM)
I think anything 'sven'd' has the same thought procsses behind it...i mean, even with a pad, you're not going to sit there a show every single page clearly are you...you just show a few and get on with it...

for me, an envelope edition doesn't require you to show the content of every single one either (well, I have never felt the urge that's all I can say) - you can certainly show the ones either side as a convincer though...won't take long...and obviously context/presentationally related...

i've never used a big old 50 stack personally - just a dozen or so...and for me, the handling is no different from using a deck...but, I guess its all about being comfortable...its why I made my own using a nice simple technique...
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Apr 3, 2017 10:15AM)
IAIN is right,

The spectator cuts to an envelope. The Magi says "If you had cut one more you would have gotten this envelope... if you had cut one less you would have gotten this envelope" as he shows the contents of each.

The advantage is you can put a variety of things in the envelopes. A coupon in one envelope, a lottery ticket in another, a dollar bill, a photograph etc.

This really does open some possibilities.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Apr 3, 2017 05:13PM)
Hands-off for my taste is generally superior than hands-on... regardless of the effect or device used.

As a mentalist I have a different criteria.

That is what makes MOABT such a stunner - hand them a book, make a free choice of any large word, no limitations, back turned.

But (devil's advocate) I use booked at nearly every strolling show as it simply kills.

That said there is a place for this prop and I am hoping to get my set soon from Stevens Magic to play with it.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 3, 2017 05:20PM)
For me, when I had the idea to make svenvelopes, it was (in part) the idea that things were sealed up, safe, faux-test condition looking choices...a blind choice amongst many...

so though I get why people suggested windowed envelopes, but then it also says "hey, windows! you can look into and out of them.." so for me, it looks and feels less safe...

saying that, with MY application of it, you could do it with regular shop bought windowed envelopes if you wanted to...

i originally used them for a nice straight forward ESP experiment, back when I used to do such things...
Message: Posted by: IMAGINACIAN (Apr 19, 2017 03:07PM)
I got a chance to road test these black beauties for 3 consecutive nights last weekend.

Well, I'm impressed, and I seemed to impress my audiences too. This is one well made set of Svenlopes, I can tell ya.
The biggest plus, as I see it is, I could easily do 3 different looking routines each of those 3 nights. Just changed what I kept INSIDE the Svenlopes.

These bunch should last me many many performances - not only the quality is very good, the included box helps to store these nice n crisp. A cool great utility prop. Very useful and well worth having, imo.

As I see it, a Svengali deck of cards, a set of these black Svenlopes and a Svengali note book should make a great versatile combo.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Apr 19, 2017 03:20PM)
IMAGINACIAN, would you mind explaining how you used these?
I don't mean your particular routine, but more how you convinced the audience that the envelopes didn't all contain the same thing.
It's too time consuming to show the contents of all or most of the individual envelopes and I'm not sure if just showing them the ones above and below their choice is enough.
But maybe it is. Anyway, just curious how you went about presenting this to achieve maximum impact.
Thanks!


[quote]On Apr 19, 2017, IMAGINACIAN wrote:
I got a chance to road test these black beauties for 3 consecutive nights last weekend.

Well, I'm impressed, and I seemed to impress my audiences too. This is one well made set of Svenlopes, I can tell ya.
The biggest plus, as I see it is, I could easily do 3 different looking routines each of those 3 nights. Just changed what I kept INSIDE the Svenlopes.

These bunch should last me many many performances - not only the quality is very good, the included box helps to store these nice n crisp. A cool great utility prop. Very useful and well worth having, imo.

As I see it, a Svengali deck of cards, a set of these black Svenlopes and a Svengali note book should make a great versatile combo. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: IMAGINACIAN (Apr 20, 2017 06:23PM)
Hi Videoman,

First up let me say this. A Svengali deck of cards CANNOT be ribbon spread - but a Svengali bunch of envelopes CAN be ribbon spread, and you can go on from there. And it is not necessary you use ALL 50 Svenlopes provided in the pack. You can always choose to use fewer envelopes depending on your routines.

Second, not sure if the contents can be discussed here, but there is a pdf included which suggests several methods of 'proving' all envelopes contain different stuff and not the same. However, I think it may be fine if I just mention the 'heads' covered in the pdf.

How to set up your Svenlopes pack
How to square up your Svenlopes pack
How to hold your Svenlopes pack
How to instruct the participant
How to force a short Svenlope
How to force a long Svenlope
How to convince the audience that all Svenlopes contain different contents (there are 5 different methods suggested, 4 of which I like - showing the one above and below the chosen one is also one of these)
How to take care of your Svenlopes pack.

Hope that helps.
Overall, I felt this is a very usable prop, well made and worth the price.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Apr 23, 2017 03:03AM)
I got em.

Envelopes are very very small. Not a size of envelope or style anyone has seen at Staples. Not big enough to put almost anything in.

Will I use these?

No. Useless for my work. I don't see the point or advantages over a clear Force bag or other nice options.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 23, 2017 04:26PM)
Can you not get business card stock in them?!
Message: Posted by: IMAGINACIAN (Apr 24, 2017 04:28AM)
Just want to ensure that misinformation doesn’t unnecessarily gain credence. Also want to ensure a good product gets the support it deserves.

Svenlopes pack contains 50 envelopes which are each slightly bigger than poker playing card size.
In fact, each envelope can comfortably hold 6 poker size bikes.

The size is actually ideal to hold almost ANYTHING, imo – unless, of course, you would want to hide elephants or dinosaurs in them :-)

Based on actual usage experience, my ratings are as follows.
Paper quality and manufacturing – 5 stars
Quantity 50 nos of 25 long & 25 short & price – 5 stars
Size (poker) & ease of handling – 5 stars (the included pdf was very handy and helpful)
Packing & storage– 5 stars
Penguin Service – 5 stars

And here is a VERY small list of things which can comfortably be kept inside these.
1. All poker size cards, of course, like playing cards, tarot cards, alphabet cards, number cards, symbol cards, picture cards, flash cards, uno cards, zodiac cards(this is one of the routines I use these for, btw),
2. Business cards, credit cards, id cards, driving licenses, etc.
3. Photographs (celebrities, criminals etc. Actually I’m planning to make up a routine with photos)
4. Tickets – lotto tickets, travel tickets, movie tickets etc.
5. Metal objects like coins, poker chips, keys, colored chips etc.
6. Stamps, currency bills, cheques, etc.
7. Billets, even large billets of half of a4 size can be folded up and fit in well (this is another routine I use these for)
8. Amulets, talismans, charms etc.
9. Seeds, leaves etc (this is another routine I have on my to do list using Svenlopes)

And the beauty is I can potentially do ALL the above AND MORE routines using just my existing set of Svenlopes – only changing the objects for each routine.

(PS – probably Brett perceives Svenlopes as a potential threat to his business so I can understand his opinion in light of that. But imho, Svengali envelopes, Svengali playing cards, Svengali books/pads all actually complement each other quite well – not the other way)

(PPS - and if a clear fo*ce bag was the answer for everything, so many wouldn't have set up shop making Svengali books/pads or Svengali cards, for that matter. I believe, each magic prop has its place in the magic world - one needs to know when and how to use each one - well that can't be taught)
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Apr 24, 2017 09:58AM)
[quote]On Apr 23, 2017, saysold1 wrote:
I got em.

Envelopes are very very small. Not a size of envelope or style anyone has seen at Staples. Not big enough to put almost anything in.

Will I use these?

No. Useless for my work. I don't see the point or advantages over a clear Force bag or other nice options. [/quote]

No doubt you are completely unbiased and really wanted to like these Svenlopes.
Honestly, you just need to stay out of these discussions. It only serves to make you look petty and childish.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Apr 24, 2017 04:20PM)
[quote]On Apr 24, 2017, On The Offbeat wrote:
[quote]On Apr 23, 2017, saysold1 wrote:
I got em.

Envelopes are very very small. Not a size of envelope or style anyone has seen at Staples. Not big enough to put almost anything in.

Will I use these?

No. Useless for my work. I don't see the point or advantages over a clear Force bag or other nice options. [/quote]

No doubt you are completely unbiased and really wanted to like these Svenlopes.
Honestly, you just need to stay out of these discussions. It only serves to make you look petty and childish. [/quote]

Um. Excuse me but I can have an opinion too.

Don't you dare tell me what to do or what to say. That is petty.

I am not biased, I call them as I see them and my comments were about actual deficiencies having held the product in hand -

Yes I do have a teeny bit of experience in this realm with this kind of product. A little more than you I would say.

If Svenlopes were good or even great - I would surely say so.

Others here who have known me far longer than you know full well that I call 'em as I see 'em.

For many years since 2010 or so I have provided solid recommendations at the Café and turned many onto great products or routines.

I have also panned certain things when they disappoint/

This product in no way shape or form competes with what I have created - so I was just as excited to test them.

Sadly, the SvenLopes are (for me) disappointing at best and represent IMO a solution to a problem that did not exist as there are superior methods and other products like a forcing bag that would be my choice.

As a full time working pro - my opinion matters as it is based on real world experiences, and if you don't agree with it than too bad...matters not.

I always say I can't help everyone, so I suggest you ignore my "biased" advice.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 24, 2017 04:59PM)
Ok, so...

do they, or do they not hold business card sized stock?
do these look odd, or do they look like black kraft top opening envelopes?
I've seen those on many u.s. sites that sell envelopes...
https://www.amazon.com/Coin-Envelopes-2-25-3-5-Collectibles/dp/B007BGF0ZG

just curious as the water seems to have been muddied!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Apr 24, 2017 06:49PM)
[quote]On Mar 18, 2017, IAIN wrote:

from reading their blurb - they have put it along the long edge of a certain envelope, [b]my concept works across a wider range of envelopes, and can be done very quickly, with nothing much else indeed...[/b]
[/quote]

Yes, I fully agree.

If one likes the idea of using the Svenlopes, I would strongly suggest Iain's approach in making your own such envelopes. The method taught by Iain (in his book Profeign) of converting a stack of envelopes into Svenlopes is super simple & easy; and allows you the choice of using your preferred size of readily available envelopes. You don't need any crafts training (NO cutting/opening/gluing is involved in preparing the envelopes). Once you get the knack of making 4 to 5 envelopes, thereafter the time taken to convert each envelope is no more than say 15 to 20 seconds. It's that quick.

For those who don't have it, I would strongly recommend Iain's book [b]Profeign[/b]. Besides the SVENEVELOPES (as spelled in the book) the book is filled with a collection of very good ideas/effects/routines/utilities. There is something for everybody. IMO Profeign is a must have book for mentalist as well as magicians alike.

My thoughts please.

Back on topic please. Thank you. :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 25, 2017 02:50AM)
Ah bless you Ustaad, I was thinking of re-releasing it as an ebook soon...
Message: Posted by: On The Offbeat (Apr 25, 2017 01:25PM)
Saysold, I never said you can't express an opinion just that I do believe you are biased when it comes to "Sven" products, even if you don't think you are.
Seems like your SvenPads (which I do use and love) were such an instant money-maker for you that it has changed you and now almost all of your posts are devoted to promoting or defending your product line. I miss the old Saysold when you were simply a performer and not a manufacturer/dealer.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Apr 25, 2017 01:45PM)
[quote]On Apr 25, 2017, On The Offbeat wrote:
Saysold, I never said you can't express an opinion just that I do believe you are biased when it comes to "Sven" products, even if you don't think you are.
Seems like your SvenPads (which I do use and love) were such an instant money-maker for you that it has changed you and now almost all of your posts are devoted to promoting or defending your product line. I miss the old Saysold when you were simply a performer and not a manufacturer/dealer. [/quote]

Nothing has changed - I am the same overly opinionated person I have always been.

Knowledge of Sven + the fact that I do this as my profession, means that I know what I am talking about even if you or other may disagree.

I do now have dual roles, and customers can still call me personally with issues. You can't do that with too many products.

I've been in this crazy Café kitchen awhile - I can handle the heat. Hugs to you and thanks for your support.

As far as Svenlopes, like any product they will swim or sink on their own based on whether the community likes them and finds them useful(or not). Bottom line.
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Apr 25, 2017 08:44PM)
[quote]On Apr 24, 2017, Ustaad wrote:
For those who don't have it, I would strongly recommend Iain's book [b]Profeign[/b]. [/quote]

I will! Thanks!
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 26, 2017 04:58AM)
It will be available at the weekend as an ebook...
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Apr 27, 2017 08:13AM)
[quote]On Apr 26, 2017, IAIN wrote:
It will be available at the weekend as an ebook... [/quote]

Based on Narendra's useful recommendation I would like to grab Iain's PDF.
Message: Posted by: IMAGINACIAN (May 4, 2017 11:03AM)
Really been enjoying this neat little tool. There are some great advantages Svenlopes has over Svengali cards and Svengali books/pads.

1. Only with Svenlopes, you can give the choice of "you can change your mind, if you want" to the spectator, as soon as he has cut to an envelope. If needed, the spec can cut to a different envelope. This is a big plus, imo. For cards or books/pads, the spec cannot be allowed to change his mind, after choosing a page or card. That would give the game away.

2. Another big plus, I am enjoying is the "reusability" of Svenlopes. I'm using the same set of Svenlopes for different routines - just by changing what I keep inside the envelopes. Whereas for Svengali books/pads, I had to write up an entire different pad for each routine/theme

3. A couple of other benefits of Svenlopes - they can be ribbon spread on a table or fanned in my hand - this cannot be done with Svengali cards.

(and here's secretly hoping that whoever these guys are, they now make me their brand ambassador - a well paid one, of course :-)
Message: Posted by: Jacob Smith (May 8, 2017 07:02PM)
Svenlopes!!!

Look, there's a lot of gizmos and gadgets out there...

Wallets, pads, ext...

Finding a new and very different one is rare.

I don't really enjoy using them and follow the belief that minimalism is key to success in my industry.

Occasionally though, something comes through that we can't help but become raving fans about...

Here's my latest addition to my latest working set!

Find out why these guys are a godsend for my working set and why they can be for you too!

www.bit.ly/2ptgO42

XX,
Jacob
Message: Posted by: IMAGINACIAN (Jun 4, 2017 01:55PM)
Wow...a 91 page pdf of routines with Svenlopes !! and Free !!! Just downloaded it a few hours back - only read through the first few routines and I really like the Tossed Out Envelope (T.O.E Test) routine. Planning to give it a spin this week. Will report back as soon as I can.
Message: Posted by: NeverMind (Jun 21, 2017 08:26AM)
Well if its good enough for the likes of Richard Osterlind and Marc Salem, it sure is good enough for me. Just ordered. Will review after I get it and play with it. The huge pdf was the tipping point for me, though.
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Sep 13, 2017 04:42PM)
Here is my two cents plus close up video of the item....

[youtube]RPte2KDx4xw[/youtube]

"This is a strong prop for the working professional, anyone who uses envelopes - can use Svenvelopes!"
Message: Posted by: DrIlluminatus (Sep 14, 2017 01:27AM)
GOTTA LOVE SAYSOLD!
Message: Posted by: espmagic (Jan 3, 2018 05:49PM)
David Kenney - while I loved your review (and your ideas) your comment about switching the envelopes made me think I could simply do the same effect with ordinary envelopes bought from the stationery store...after all, I *am* switching them...
Message: Posted by: philipsw (Feb 20, 2018 08:25AM)
Some interesting discussion here. I, too, would like to read Iain's book - where can I grab it Iain? In the meantime, here's my potted thoughts on the concept - which I like: http://www.bicycle-cards.co.uk/2018/02/06/sven-lee-svenvelopes-review/
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 20, 2018 09:54AM)
Mines going to be put into a new release of mine next month...
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Feb 20, 2018 10:01AM)
BANK NIGHT ON STEROIDS! :wow:
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Feb 20, 2018 12:43PM)
[quote]On Apr 23, 2017, saysold1 wrote:
I got em.

Envelopes are very very small. Not a size of envelope or style anyone has seen at Staples. Not big enough to put almost anything in.

Will I use these?

No. Useless for my work. I don't see the point or advantages over a clear Force bag or other nice options. [/quote]

Hi Brett,

Respectfully, I call out two of your points as "lacking"-

Very very small compared to what and for what purpose? They are not very very small to disqualify the many items listed by Imaginacian. For walk-around, closeup etc. and even some parlour and stage settings these are a nice workable size.

Not big enough to put almost anything in? When considering a routine utilizing such a prop, what would one desire to place in these that wouldn't fit?

Not everyone goes to office supply stores and for those that do it doesn't mean that they peruse over all of the envelopes. For those that do peruse over all of the envelopes, they are not going then say, "SUSPICIOUS, I didn't see these magician's envelopes at the store."

As for the advantages over a clear force bag is that the envelopes create curiosity and mystery in their own way. Allowing the spectator to handle, open and possible keep the contents surely displays entertaining advantages.
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Feb 20, 2018 12:51PM)
Speaking of Bank Night, this gives me an idea to do a two phase routine giving the opportunity for the spectators to "win" the second time which they seemingly do but the $100 note is completely torn up.

And no, a one hundred dollar note doesn't need to be destroyed for the effect.
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Apr 30, 2018 02:09PM)
New release YIN and YANG

[youtube]R1gG95Qg-fE[/youtube]

External link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1gG95Qg-fE
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Apr 30, 2018 02:18PM)
[quote]On Apr 30, 2018, DavidKenney wrote:
New release YIN and YANG

[youtube]R1gG95Qg-fE[/youtube]

External link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1gG95Qg-fE [/quote]

David,

Thank you very much for your very comprehensive and informative review.

Michael