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Topic: Recommendations for getting started
Message: Posted by: Station10 (May 4, 2017 01:05AM)
I know this is a pretty broad question and not something that has a definite or easy answer but I looking for what you would recommend for someone starting out in the bizarre magical arena. Is there a book(s) or DVD that is especially good to provide a foundation? Is there another website that you recommend to help coach or guide someone beginning their journey?

I'm pretty much a blank slate looking for the perfect inscription to put on it. I don't know which direction I want to go with yet but then that is half the fun isn't it? deciding on which path to take when you reach a fork . . . to turn down the dark alley or venture into the sinister forest.

And as always, they you for your time and suggestions for they are greatly appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Perkins (May 4, 2017 01:32AM)
To each their own, of course, but I find these books to be invaluable. A deep dive into Bizarre that will leave you gasping.

Spirit Theater by Eugene Burger
Seance by Scott Davis
The Paranormal Entertainer by Paul Voodini
Arcana of Bizarre Magic by Jim Magus
Phasmology by Prof. BC
Pentalogy by R. Shane

Pick one up and see what happens.
Message: Posted by: viktorbc (May 4, 2017 01:58AM)
Good suggestions all Mr. Perkins!
Message: Posted by: Station10 (May 4, 2017 02:04AM)
Thank you Perkins, I will definitely check those out. I had the pleasure of attending a few of Eugene Burger's lectures and performances at Fun, Inc in Chicago back in the early 1990's.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (May 4, 2017 05:46AM)
Did you mean FUN Inc OR MAGIC Inc.? (I didn't know that my friend Graham Putnam, owner of FUN Inc. was sponsoring lectures!)
Message: Posted by: ManxBull (May 4, 2017 06:22AM)
I found Black Hart's 'The BIG Black Book' to be hugely helpful and written in an easy. conversational tone, containing many effects and a huge bundle of advice.

It's what persuaded me to stop collecting and start performing.

http://www.blackhart.co.uk/books.html
Message: Posted by: Station10 (May 4, 2017 07:10AM)
Dick, you are correct. Magic Inc. My mind and my words are sometimes on different conversations.
Message: Posted by: TEB3 (May 4, 2017 07:14AM)
The Bigger Book of BOO!
Traveler's Journal
Hidden Things
Slash, Hack, & Saw!

All on Lulu
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/teb3

TEB3
Message: Posted by: jglumley (May 4, 2017 08:52AM)
+1 for Phasmology by Prof. BC

Paul Prator has some good lectures on marketing for magic http://www.paulprater.com/index.html

If you like tarot Paul Voodini has good material.

Also going to a convention like ECSS or Doomsday may help you start out.
http://www.eastcoastspiritsessions.com/
https://www.lebanoncircle.co.uk/collections/doomsday
Message: Posted by: Delimbeau (May 4, 2017 09:07AM)
In addition to the great suggestions: The Dark Waltz by Michael Fraughton and I just got Echoes by Lothar Malmberg which is also great. Luc.
Message: Posted by: Black Hart (May 4, 2017 12:06PM)
[quote]On May 4, 2017, ManxBull wrote:
I found Black Hart's 'The BIG Black Book' to be hugely helpful and written in an easy. conversational tone, containing many effects and a huge bundle of advice.

It's what persuaded me to stop collecting and start performing.

http://www.blackhart.co.uk/books.html [/quote]

Thank you for that. It is a great feeling to know that my book inspired you.

Keith Hart
Message: Posted by: YitzhakNoDice (May 4, 2017 01:04PM)
I second Lary's and Perkin's suggestions wholeheartedly. Send me a PM if you have a deep interest in seance work.
Message: Posted by: ProfessorMagicJMG (May 4, 2017 06:32PM)
I asked the same question related to the more Storytelling-oriented forms of Bizarre magic, and compiled a list that others added to in this thread:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=615390&forum=161

Also found some great audio tales that would make good routines:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=620255&forum=161

And finally a thread showcasing Storytelling resources:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=400881&forum=161

Look for Bizarre Magic props at Hocus Pocus and Stevens Magic Emporium, and if you want some custom oddities to add a little spice to your act, Doug Higley is still making 'Zibits:
http://lionpoint.studio/

PM me if you're looking for anything in particular

Best,
jmg
Message: Posted by: TEB3 (May 5, 2017 07:10AM)
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Discount code is LULU15

Lary
Message: Posted by: Lucien Astor (May 5, 2017 01:35PM)
I would also add Tony Chris's Karnival of Magic DVD. It is basically informal bizarre-lite (no offense intended) with an emphasis on classical methods and effects, rather than narrative and historicity. Unlike some atmospheric bizarre publications, you could go out and start performing it tomorrow.
Message: Posted by: gothicmagic (May 5, 2017 03:35PM)
There are also quite a few things to be learned from Henning Nelms magic and showmanship just slant the info toward the way you wish to use it
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (May 5, 2017 04:30PM)
Not knowing what you do, or want to do all I can offer is advice on the conjuring part.

Amateur Magicians Handbook
The Bill Tarr books (Now You See It, Now You Don't, 1 and 2, and 101 Easy-to-Do Magic Tricks)
The Mark Wilson Course in Magic
and if you have some $ to spend, Tarbell
These will give you a good basic foundation in methods and effects.
Message: Posted by: Darkness (May 5, 2017 06:15PM)
Are you a magician? Are you looking to explore bizarre in general? Do you want to do magic tricks? Do you want to appear to do real magic? Do you want it to be about what you can do or what the spectator can do? Are you a good storyteller does that interest you? There are lots of questions to be answered first or its a long road...
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (May 5, 2017 07:58PM)
So thank you Station10. This post has offered some of us (me) some great sources we were ignorantly not aware of. Much appreciation being sent to you now...
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (May 5, 2017 11:04PM)
John, you're in rescue ... take some of the things you have seen and heard from those using 'Fake Weed' and add your spin on them to come up with some truly bizarre back stories !
Message: Posted by: Station10 (May 6, 2017 07:34AM)
Thank you all for the suggestions so far.

Tony, I have all the books you've mentioned except all of the Tarbell (I think I only have the book on silk magic).

Darkness, I wish I had an answer to all your questions. I think right now I'm looking to explore in general. I would like to eventually do some bizarre performances as long as I can do it properly and convincingly.

Godzilla, great suggestion. Over the years I have seen and been to many many different calls. Some funny, some tragic, some gory, some weird.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (May 6, 2017 08:12AM)
If you describe the type material you do or want to do, we may be able to point you towards resources that may help.
What is now called bizarre magic is a very vast and varied group of disciplines.
Message: Posted by: Darkness (May 6, 2017 09:58AM)
"Is there another website that you recommend to help coach or guide someone beginning their journey?"

No just listen to the people here that's more than enough. The journey does not come from answers from others it comes from within, don't skip the homework of self reflection it is the exploration you seek. Turn the pages and go deep into spooky then you will not have to ask these questions the light will shine the path in the darkness :) Your question has been asked many time before its all documented.

The obvious and logical approach is read "a couple of books" and ad copy for the effects from a few creators and see some shows "to get an idea". But you can do that in a weekend (to make a point). Then you have to ask yourself the questions I asked you (and yes they are hard but not that hard). We have all explored and yet Bizarre means different things to each of us. There is no one answer we eventually looked inside for that (the ones that skipped that part are still looking). Did it come from a book list or DVD? (not really). Bizarre for me came out of my growing dislike for presenting magic tricks like a magician. Being MR. Wonderful front and center seemed more self serving than mysterious, the road eventually lead here for me. It was a long road, I wish I answered my own questions first.

However:

eg. Some want to do magic trick with pictures of dead people and old boxes, to be readers and mediums for others, to tell "great" stories using effects that are subtle and may even go unnoticed, and that's all great. Some add a mentalist flavor and make it more about what they can do. If you don't have a 100 foot overview of your core values as a performer, you will never be able to narrow focus your education and it will be endless reading, experimenting, buying and selling. You can easily search for books and watch DVD's until you fall asleep. Maybe that's all you need right now and that's fine just trying to show you where the road leads.

"I would like to eventually do some bizarre performances as long as I can do it properly and convincingly."
See above because until you know what you want to do, it will be hard to be convincing and do it properly unless you are a brilliant actor but you may not be satisfied. To point you in a direction? There are too many to be honest and it would take a lifetime to explore them all "properly". Use your instincts and pick a path once you have read a bit and experimented with it.

Exploring in general is easy, start from within "then" read ad copy and a few books. You can find resources within a few pages here and in one section below us in "Once upon a time..." My friend Nyama Possessor has the ultimate book list, second post in, that is more than anyone needs. In fact start by reading his posts and others like Christopher J. Gould (they are both profound thinkers on the art form and my inspiration) to kick start your untapped potential.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=615390&forum=161

Spend more time reflecting and reading spooky threads is the best advice I may offer. Good luck on your journey you will find your path. Don't listen to the haunted objects they will try to pull you every which way.
Message: Posted by: Apotheosis (May 6, 2017 11:21PM)
[quote]On May 5, 2017, Wizard of Oz wrote:
So thank you Station10. This post has offered some of us (me) some great sources we were ignorantly not aware of. Much appreciation being sent to you now... [/quote]


Yes, thanks from me as well. Several new titles to track down now.
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (May 9, 2017 02:48PM)
Thank You ProfessorMagicJMG for picking up on the new web address. :-) Appreciated.

BTW: As to the OP, 3NoEvil still available. Almost 800 sets sold so far over the years and still popular. (See Directory on the site for info page.) :-)

Thanks Doug
Message: Posted by: Some_Magical_Idiot (Jun 26, 2017 07:49AM)
Good information - remarking so I can come back and revisit.