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Topic: Grapheeteez
Message: Posted by: seamagu (May 16, 2017 02:18AM)
I just want to klet you know of an android app thatwas released the other day by our very own Cervier.

I've had the chance to play around with it and it works really well.
Basically it allows you to take a photo with your phone and draw a circle around any object in the photo. You place your phone down and the spectator guesses which item you chose. You pick up the phone and show that you did indeed choose the item the spectator guessed.

This is a great little app to have on your phone. If you are asked to perform something with no notice.
I like the organic feel as you can take a photo of something that is there in front if you.
Well done Cervier :-)
Message: Posted by: amirb401 (May 16, 2017 02:32AM)
And where can one get it from?
Message: Posted by: Pixelated (May 16, 2017 02:36AM)
Just had a gamble on this and I like it.
I think it could make a nice prediction if you took a photo of a group of people, circled one of them, and then asked one of them to step forward.

Without exposure, I cant help but think there could have been more results, but maybe that will come as an update

Message: Posted by: Cervier (May 16, 2017 05:24AM)
Thanks for the reviews :)

I'm normally not a fan of magical apps as I fear it can too easily look like the phone is doing all the work.
When I started to write Grapheeteez, I was doing it for my own fun only and didn't plan on releasing it --until some friends whom I shared it with made me change my mind.

From the beginning, I thought that taking a picture would give me a complete freedom:

- freedom of what list of items to use, as I could (and would) change it every time

- freedom of theme, and I don't mean coosing between influence and mindreading. I mean, my first idea was to photograph the participant's face and have her think of one of her features. Then... well you can see that any, any picture will provide you with suitable items. You can take a photo of what's on the table, of what's in the room, of what's in the street, or you can prepare the photo by using a set of artefacts or cards you carry with you, or as Pixelated suggested, have people stand in a row --and why not have them take poses?

I use mainly two types of presentations (I often mix):

Phase 1: INFLUENCE, I take a picture of 4 items, tell the participant I will ask her to make a choice -but not now. I hide the screen while I circle or mark an item then put the phone down. She then says what object she's thinking of, turns the phone over and sees I had marked that very object.

Phase 2: MIND READING. We take the picture but I ask her to think of one of the items now. I then read her mind. I don't reveal the object out loud because she could say yes to be nice or no to embarrass me, so I "write" on the phone. Then she says what item she has in mind, speaking first for the same 'yes to be nice / no to embarrass me' reason and sees on the phone I had indeed read her mind.

I feel 4 items is enough and that more would be overdoing it. But if a poll says people would like to have more outs available, I'll ponder the idea ;)

Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 16, 2017 05:31AM)
Sounds good...on android?
Message: Posted by: NeilS (May 16, 2017 06:08AM)
Yes .. it certainly sounds good and an intriguing concept. Like to know more.
Message: Posted by: Cervier (May 16, 2017 11:16AM)
Yes, it's for Android. Search for "Grapheeteez" on GooglePlay :)

What would you like to know?
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (May 16, 2017 11:58AM)
Just downlaoded it, it is a very nice little app, I do believe improvements can be made such as 8 outs (like I force by Greg Rostami) and that all the "drawing app" could be functional as well (eraser, multiple color etc..)

But nice !
Message: Posted by: IAIN (May 16, 2017 02:50PM)
Yeah, fun piece of work...

don't see why you'd want the eraser and so on to work though?

anyway, well done curvier...nice and straight forward...
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (May 16, 2017 03:27PM)
[quote]On May 16, 2017, IAIN wrote:
Yeah, fun piece of work...

don't see why you'd want the eraser and so on to work though?

anyway, well done curvier...nice and straight forward... [/quote]

Why not ? It could add realism to the whole thing. Also, the line you draw are not perfect, they look like pieces of line, it could be could to enhance those.
Message: Posted by: Cervier (May 16, 2017 04:15PM)
[quote]On May 16, 2017, Alex DLF wrote:
[quote]On May 16, 2017, IAIN wrote:
don't see why you'd want the eraser and so on to work though?
Why not ? It could add realism to the whole thing.[/quote]
Err... As a matter of fact, it wouldn't be realistic at all to start drawing with this app. That would be a major blunder.

Let's think about this a little: you're going to have someone pick one item out of a list, and you are going to write down --let's call it a prediction, even though it could be something else depending on your presentation. At any rate, writing down something could be done with a pen and a piece of paper. If you had a pen and a piece of paper, would you first make a few drawings to ease off your magician's guilt and say "[i]see, this is a normal pen that can draw and a normal piece of paper, everything is normal[/i]"???
Even if you didn't say out loud the iner reason why you want to show "everything is real", don't you think it would distract the spectator from the main plot?

Well, that's the same with the app. You took out the phone because no paper was available, or if paper was available, because it would be more "visual" to do it that way. DON'T (please, really, don't!) all of a sudden divert from your path and do something to, "by the way", prove this is really a drawing app! [i]They will see a mark or a cricle on the screen, that's all the proof they'll ever need!!![/i]

I agree if laypeople use this app, their understandable and forgiveable lack of expercience at presenting effects will sometimes lead to their friends asking to have a look at the app.
Well, it will happen. I can only hope the fact I didn't care to make that app a drawing one will be a hint to them not to attract attention to it, not to a point it's the app that's doing the magic and not them ;)

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Regarding the fact the lines look broken, even though they do the job, I agree they could look nicer and will put that on the "[i]for a next version[/i]" list :)
Message: Posted by: jonnyboy (May 16, 2017 04:34PM)
I'm having a problem with the app not revealing the correct item. It keeps selecting item 1.
Message: Posted by: Cervier (May 16, 2017 06:13PM)
@jonnyboy send me a mail (the address is in "Instructions" or Grapheeteez' page on GooglePlay)
Message: Posted by: ma-j-cien (May 16, 2017 08:06PM)
Hi everyone !
I've had the pleasure to be one of the first users of this ap (if not the first, maybe the second : Cervier was the first. :D ) and I'm very pleased with it...
I'm not a huge fan of electronic in magic and mentalism, butI have a casually use of it... and it plays VERY well...

Thanks Cervier for sharing your app ! :)

Message: Posted by: John C (May 16, 2017 08:13PM)
Very fun. I'm into simplicity. This is as simple as it gets. Once you start adding things features it loses its simplicity.
Message: Posted by: NeilS (May 17, 2017 05:00AM)
I have just downloaded this on my Blackberry (which is not an Android device) and it works perfectly and is a lovely, simple effect and perfect to have so readily available on my phone.

It does not need to be complicated by having more choices and options. Simple in this case is undoubtedly best.

Thanks Cervier.
Message: Posted by: Cervier (May 17, 2017 05:28PM)
[quote]On May 17, 2017, NeilS wrote:
I have just downloaded this on my Blackberry (which is not an Android device) and it works perfectly and is a lovely, simple effect and perfect to have so readily available on my phone.

It does not need to be complicated by having more choices and options. Simple in this case is undoubtedly best.

Thanks Cervier. [/quote]
I didn't know Black Berry phones could run Android apps. Well, that's good news :)
Message: Posted by: TheDirectionalist (May 17, 2017 05:29PM)
No plans for iPhone?
Message: Posted by: tophatter (May 18, 2017 12:43AM)
Is there a video of this effect to see in action ?
Message: Posted by: tophatter (May 18, 2017 12:45AM)
No Need for a video I just checked it out really neat I will be ordering this for sure !
Message: Posted by: Cervier (May 18, 2017 06:47AM)
Video: I believe I will make one anyway :)

iOS: it might happen. I didn't plan on it, but I'm getting more and more requests (which is nice, by the way :) ) so the idea is sinking in...
Message: Posted by: TheDirectionalist (May 18, 2017 07:08AM)
I'd say go for it!

I find that when done in a clever way, phone mentalism in particular has a huge impact on younger audiences. They just always seem more invested when you guess a passcode or guess a number or word they look at on their phone. Phones are their lives!
Message: Posted by: Cervier (May 19, 2017 05:19AM)
Hey! Just discovered this morning Grapheeteez has made it to the "top charts" for May (in spite of a late mid-month start)!!!

Ok, I didn't know such things existed for apps and have no idea how hard or easy it is to get there, so I won't be bathing in Champagne just yet, but it does have a nice ring to it, doesn't it? :)

Could I add that to my presentation? "[i]...was in the top chart in may 2017...[/i]"? Not quite like winning a FISM prize, but, would THEY know??? :rotf: :lol: :lol: :bg:
Message: Posted by: beepmaster (May 25, 2017 07:57AM)
A very nice "magical" app, Grapheeteez is a great tool to amaze your audience with a smartphone.
Only few seconds to handle, and my phone become a magical electronic wand.

Some people seems to be confused using (visible) "electronic" devices during a magic show, but magician needs to be able to work with "everyday" objects, that smartphones are for sure.

I test it around and every-time I got a real "wow" effect.

Bonus : Give your smartphone to one of your friends and ask him to give it back at the right time ;-)

Good job Mr Cervier ;-)
Message: Posted by: tophatter (May 26, 2017 12:39AM)
This also works on android right ?
Message: Posted by: Cervier (May 26, 2017 06:39AM)
[quote]On May 26, 2017, tophatter wrote:
This also works on android right ? [/quote]
Yes, and for the time being, this only works on Android. The reason for that is simpe: I primarily wrote that app for my own usage. It's only after a few friends I shared it with told me I should release it that I began to think aboutdoing so. At first, I didn't want to. Call me silly, but I didn't want to put it on a public place such as Google Play, where laymen could get it as well.
Then I thought it was maybe arrogant to believe sooo many people were going to install it the secret would be spoiled for the magicians and mentalists who would use it in more than just a "[i]see how fun this is[/i]" way ;)

So I realeased it.

How has all this anything to do with iOS? Well, it does look like I made a short story long, doesn't it? ;) The key point is, I wrote it for myself. You can freely write apps for your Android phone. I did it with free software and was able to make a fully functional app that could (if I wanted) use all the feature of my phone.
That's not possible on iOS. If you want to program even your own device, you have to pay Apple a $100 (and that's per year) and go through a process that involves sending them your app and then getting it back on your phone.

The demand for an iOS version is increasing though. I'm pretending not to hear it ;) but at some point, I will have to do something to answer that call...
Message: Posted by: NeilS (May 26, 2017 07:06AM)
I have a BlackBerry passport which runs on a different operating system and Grapheeteez runs absolutely fine on this. A really excellent app.
Message: Posted by: Cervier (May 26, 2017 07:28AM)
BTW, thanks Sťa, Iain, Neil, Julien and Beepmaster for your kind words :D and thanks to Rich and Alex for their reviews :)
Message: Posted by: newguy (May 26, 2017 09:40AM)
Bought it.

A little bit buggy, keeps dropping out.

Does the lock icon in the upper left ever work or is it just for show?

Simple program but really sparse instructions.
Message: Posted by: Cervier (May 26, 2017 10:11AM)
[quote]On May 26, 2017, newguy wrote:
Bought it.
Simple program but really sparse instructions. [/quote]

Mmm... You're not the first one who didn't read the instructions, and I realize I should make it clearer where they are. There's a link to a PDF file on the description of the app [url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rfo.Grapheeteez]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rfo.Grapheeteez[/url]

I will rewrite the decription on GooglePlay so as to make the link to the instructions more obvious, and maybe even add it in the summary that's available from the menu in the app.

Thank you for making me notice that :)

I just changed the description so the third line says in capital letters there's a link to detailed instructions below. It could take a few hours before that update is processed.
Message: Posted by: Cervier (May 2, 2018 04:22PM)
Just upgraded Grapheeteez. The picture is saved so you can send it to you participant/potential customer ;) and get his or her e-mail/phone number...

And, reading this thread again, I remember now I had talked about making a video... Mmm... I have been busy on other projects, but I'll try to make one soon enough.
Message: Posted by: DynaMix (May 2, 2018 05:05PM)
Sounds very cool! +1 request for iOS :)

Congrats on the idea and the success Cervier!
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 3, 2018 02:23PM)
Another vote for iOS