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Topic: Docc Hilford Site
Message: Posted by: ByronGrey (May 27, 2017 01:38PM)
Anybody know where Docc Hilford and/or his website has gone to? You can PM if you wish. Thanks.

-Byron
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (May 27, 2017 03:06PM)
I appears to have been caught up in the cyber attack from 2 weeks ago. That attack affected ISP and data centers as well as systems in 99 countries.

Docc sent out an email saying they are working on the site and will let us know when it is back online.


Tony
Message: Posted by: ByronGrey (May 27, 2017 07:07PM)
Thanks Tony! I unsubscribed from the mailing list awhile back and then when he went to ientertainer, there was no way to get back on it!
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (May 28, 2017 08:55AM)
It is back up now.
Message: Posted by: Goldfield (Jun 14, 2018 07:31PM)
I never received any email or replies. Always pay via PayPal so that you can get your money back.
Love the artist but dislike the poor business ethics.
Message: Posted by: Yiorgos (Jun 15, 2018 04:53AM)
Thank you Peter! I think the Magic Café should have a "before you buy" page where all these business with poor/illegal ethics should be listed so people can avoid the hassle.
Message: Posted by: Goldfield (Jun 16, 2018 03:15PM)
This happened to me last year but from what I've read here things have not changed.
Message: Posted by: Dominic Mastronardi (Jun 17, 2018 05:21AM)
I've never had any issues with Docc's site. Perhaps I've just been lucky.
Message: Posted by: docdazzal (Jun 17, 2018 11:46AM)
Greetings Compeers...

Although I've only done business with Docc a few times...I've never had any problems. I met Docc some years ago...and always admired his knowledge and expertise in mentalism and marketing. I received this email (I think, from him) this morning...and perhaps some of you did to...but if you're not on his email list...maybe this might help. The links aren't "live" I'm copying and pasting here...I just wanted to share with you all and hope that Docc will do right by those of you who may not have been treated fairly with your purchases.

Dr. Dan
__________________________________________________

Docc is Missing ?... Where the Heck is He?


If you're like the rest of the DHP gang, you've probably been yelling, "Where the heck is Docc Hilford?"
"He was supposed to release CLOSSO!"

First, disappearing for a month is just plain rude.
I want to apologize to you, .

I'd rather not share exactly where I was, but leave it to say that I had limited, to no, internet access.
I CAN say that I wasn't...
A) In a foreign jail,
B) In a mental institution, or
C) Hold up in a hotel room with two Dutch co-eds and a copy of Omar Khayyam.

NOW...
What about COLOSSO?
The fantastic magazine test that many of you got for free, will be uploaded some time tomorrow night.
It's truly one of my favorite pieces to perform.
And I'm sure it will be yours too.

SEE VIDEO HERE

Let's hear some more good news...
Here are THREE GREAT OFFERS to make it up to you...

1) I'll extend the Buy Anything (of $59 value) and Get COLOSSO FREE Offer.
Lots of mentalists took advantage of this offer, so I'll extend it.
PLUS...
I'm adding another BONUS effect with COLOSSO.

2) I'm OFFICIALLY Releasing BLACK FLAME.
At the HALF PRICE Offer.
For 2 Days ONLY!

CLICK HERE

3) Because the NEXT product to be released this week will be...
The Perfect Mental Club Act / "Black Herman" Upgrade,
You can get the original Perfect Mental Club ACT Pro Package

for ONLY $99!
That's $149 OFF!

CLICK HERE

Don't miss this.
You'll need the PMCA to fully understand the PMCS upgrade.
And the price will never be this low again.

Again, sorry for not checking in while checking out.

Peace,
Docc

P.S. I'm catching up on the hundreds of emails I received.
If yours are in that pile, please be patient a little bit longer.
Thanks.

P.P.S. This is a rare time when you can use a sale priced item, like PMCA to get a $99 item, like COLOSSO, for FREE!
Don't miss out.

P.P.P.S. Happy Father's Day to my fellow fathers.
It's wonderful work, if you're lucky enough to get the job.


DoccHilfordProducts.com
http://ientertainer.net/store/docc-hilford
Message: Posted by: magidave (Jun 17, 2018 04:00PM)
Docc has been nothing but ethical with me over thousands of dollars in purchases over close to a decade of time. I too admire his knowledge albeit still merely a human being with all of our common ups and downs.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan1000 (Jun 17, 2018 08:25PM)
Over a month ago I made a purchase on Docc's site that entitled me to download COLOSSO, which was supposed to be available the next day. I waited two weeks and then emailed Docc but received no answer. Two weeks later I emailed a second time -- still no answer, so I opened a PayPal dispute. And get this: Although Docc ignored my emails, he quickly replied to PayPal claiming he owed me nothing since he had (supposedly) SHIPPED me the download I'd purchased! Worse, he provided PayPal a fictitious tracking number to substantiate his shipping claim.

Does that sound like someone who's "nothing but ethical"? Does that sound like someone who's "merely a human being"? I've bought nearly all of Docc's output over the years and I was shocked and thoroughly disappointed that he would treat his customers so shabbily.
Message: Posted by: Tim Cavendish (Jun 17, 2018 08:34PM)
Hank Lee treated many customers just fine, yet he also ripped off many others through mail order -- including me.

Just because somebody treats YOU well does not mean that they haven't ripped off somebody else.
Message: Posted by: Yiorgos (Jun 18, 2018 04:11AM)
QUOTE
First, disappearing for a month is just plain rude.
I want to apologize to you, .
He has not replied to my email since December 2017, this is not a month Docc Hilford, it is 6 months.
Message: Posted by: Yiorgos (Jul 4, 2018 03:35AM)
Just to let everybody know, I have just won a Paypal dispute with Docc Hilford! Thanks everybody with you help and advice!
Message: Posted by: Stunninger (Jul 4, 2018 09:05AM)
Glad to hear you got your money back through PayPal.

I am grateful for the PayPal dispute process. Rarely have I needed to use it. But when a seller does not ship an item, or does not respond to your emails, it's reassuring to know you have recourse.

A couple months back I ordered a book from a magic website I'd not done business with before. Long story short, they did not ship the item and did not respond to my e-mails inquiring about the status of my order. So I opened a PayPal dispute. The seller was very quick to respond then, and refunded my payment in full.

If a magic website does not offer PayPal as a payment option I won't do business with them.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan1000 (Jul 11, 2018 05:42PM)
Good news! PayPal decided in my favor in my claim against Hilford. And this despite the fact that Hilford claimed he'd SHIPPED me the download and even provided a (fraudulent) tracking number for the "parcel". Meanwhile, he's never replied to my emails or apologized or done anything to correct his unethical behavior. Even if he really was in a car accident as he claims, that hardly justifies claiming he shipped me the download. Shame on you, Docc Hilford!!!!
Message: Posted by: Bartelli (Jul 13, 2018 02:33PM)
I was a fan of both Docc Hilford and Mark Elsdon but they both went in the wrong direction. Scamming us, their trusting peers. There should at least be some mutual respect. But these two people have NO respect for their customers. To them we are only providers of money for sub quality and overpriced material. They have both lost my respect although I still love their old publications, I simply cannot trust them anymore.
Message: Posted by: The Hermit (Jul 25, 2018 10:35AM)
Apparently he's in full sell mode again. I'm getting emails to buy stuff to help his doctor bills. And, it appears he will be sending stuff he owes people. This whole schtick is starting to remind me of Cassidy. And, we know how well that worked out.
Message: Posted by: Bartelli (Jul 25, 2018 03:41PM)
He promised btw that a lot of the things I purchased from him when he released it at an early buyer price that that this price would never go down again. So much for promises. Now I feel even more cheated. I know most of his stuff isn't worth what I payed for it but I fell for his sales pitch. Now he is giving other people a discount???
Message: Posted by: Jonathan1000 (Jul 25, 2018 03:53PM)
There's an internal war in my psyche right now. Part of me agrees completely with Bartelli; Hilford cheated me and then lied to PayPal about it when I asked for a refund. The other part is telling me I should have compassion for a fellow magician who's been injured and is in need. Being a mentalist, I'm pretty decent at holding two mutually contradictory POVs at the same time. :-)

Still, even if Hilford's rotator cuffs were injured in a traffic accident, it's hard to get beyond how he treated his loyal patrons.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Jul 25, 2018 04:34PM)
Has he really been hurt? Who knows? I say pics or it didn't happen. He can attach a selfie pic just as easy as a stock photo. He's married; she doesn't have insurance either? Fool me once...
Message: Posted by: The Hermit (Jul 26, 2018 06:17PM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2018, Jonathan1000 wrote:
There's an internal war in my psyche right now. Part of me agrees completely with Bartelli; Hilford cheated me and then lied to PayPal about it when I asked for a refund. The other part is telling me I should have compassion for a fellow magician who's been injured and is in need. Being a mentalist, I'm pretty decent at holding two mutually contradictory POVs at the same time. :-)

Still, even if Hilford's rotator cuffs were injured in a traffic accident, it's hard to get beyond how he treated his loyal patrons. [/quote]

This is the kind of reasoning that has gone on in the Café for a long time. After being cheated by some well known mentalists, I have little compassion. The magic biz is rife with this stuff and many people think you should have compassion, blah, blah. I separate my compassion from my business dealings. If you set yourself up as a business, people should expect honest dealing and prompt service. Just like expect at McDonalds or Walmart. Business is business. If you don't deliver, you should go out of business. If I want to feel sorry for a guy in a bad way, that's outside business. I may give him money or whatever. Some people think you should forgive all the shady business stuff because they are creators or what not. I say BS. I would at least like to see one of these guys apologize for their mistakes and make them right. That, at least would be a start to a new relationship with customers. BTW, most of this stuff peddled is unnecessary to creating a great act. You can be world class with $200 worth of books and gimmicks.
Message: Posted by: Docc Hilford (Jul 26, 2018 06:25PM)
Hi everybody,
I've had web site design problems for years now!
DoccHilfordProducts.com "should" be directed to
iEntertainer.net

That was a major project that got out of hand for the developer.
God bless him, he tried hard to build a performing center for us all.

So...
With my car crash injuries and the need to fix my website at hand, you can find me at:
http://ientertainer.net/store/docc-hilford
Or
DoccLecture@hotmail.com
The same email I've had for 15 years...
or,
305 335-3811
Feel free to Voicemail or TEXT me.

And YES, 2 days left for 60% OFF!

Just before the wave of NEW items.
Peace
Docc
Message: Posted by: Docc Hilford (Jul 26, 2018 06:43PM)
Just for the record,
I have NEVER been involved in "shady" business and I resent any implication that I have.
I've been her for 40 YEARS!
And if someone did get a book, and it was my fault, I have ALWAYS made it good.

Hermit,
Come on man!
Really?
CHEATED?
Ha! I'm done.
Wow.
I don't know who you're angry at, but I'm not that guy.
So... good luck, hope you feel better about magic and all.

Jonathon, my friend,
That is not what I told you.
I said you bought an item and have received it.
Now...
You WILL get the FREE bonus when IT IS RELEASED.
You have what I have.
The FREE MP4 is NOT READY TO UPLOAD.
Gee... I'm sorry you are so upset that I can't upload the last item so you can have it.
Believe me... I wish I was sitting in my office instead of in physical therapy.
Be patient my friend.
The 100% FREE item will be given to you.
Cheated?
Out of a FREE $49 BONUS item?
That's coming???

I'm a ONE MAN operation.
Haters, feel free to submit your resumés and I'll look them over.
Then YOU can help me record, edit, and upload the new pieces.

And SPONGE!
Call me brother.
Really - don't PM me here.
I'd LOVE to talk to you face to face after that comment.
What a hurtful, awful, juvenile comment to make.
To ask for a pic of me and my injuries????
That's simply childish.

And THAT'S why I don't come to the green room often- bad vides, man.
Have fun ya'all
PEACE OUT!!!

Docc
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Jul 26, 2018 07:07PM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2018, Docc Hilford wrote:

And SPONGE!
Call me brother.
Really - don't PM me here.
I'd LOVE to talk to you face to face after that comment.
What a hurtful, awful, juvenile comment to make.
To ask for a pic of me and my injuries????
That's simply childish.

Docc [/quote]

Docc,


Other performers have shown pics of their injures or misfortunes in the past, so doesn't seem unreasonable or unusual to me. Maybe it is.

For the record, and this is gonna sound odd, BUT I really like you, you're very charismatic, and seem like a nice, great guy in person, emails, etc. And I have other nice things to say about you too.

BUT, even the greats sometimes get in binds and tell little fibs. What can I say? I'm a bit jaded.

And I think I just really want more of your seance stuff.

And, if you've had the misfortune to be in another car accident, then I wish you speedy recovery.

s
Message: Posted by: Leo H (Jul 27, 2018 12:40AM)
[quote]On Jul 25, 2018, the Sponge wrote:
Has he really been hurt? Who knows? I say pics or it didn't happen. He can attach a selfie pic just as easy as a stock photo. He's married; she doesn't have insurance either? Fool me once... [/quote]

Imagine that. Requesting injury photos like a smug and arrogant law enforcement official. A gross deviation from decent behavior.
Message: Posted by: The Hermit (Jul 27, 2018 09:56AM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2018, Docc Hilford wrote:

Hermit,
Come on man!
Really?
CHEATED?
Ha! I'm done.
Wow.
I don't know who you're angry at, but I'm not that guy.
So... good luck, hope you feel better about magic and all.


Docc [/quote]

Just to be clear, I have not been cheated by you and am not angry with you. I find your promotion approach a little odd, but that's your business. I was responding to a comment from a guy that felt conflicted over whether he should buy because he feels sorry for someone even though he claims to have been ripped off. I don't know if the claims here are true about you or not. I take no sides. I have been ripped off by other mentalists who promoted heavily here. There are plenty of threads about them that have been erased. There are lots of people here that feel you should give a pass to being ripped off because of creative talent or what not. I disagree with that. Part of 'magicians helping magicians' is alerting others to bad business dealings. If they are lying, the creator should call them out. There have been several threads regarding your business dealings. If they're wrong, get involved and show them to be liars. We live in a world where customers have more power regarding reviews and business dealings being made public. With that comes petty people telling stories. Unfortunately the business owner has to deal with this stuff, it's part of being in business today. Anyone here that has had a grip with you and got it resolved owes it to the community to tell that story as well. Calling people 'haters' because they feel they have legitimate customer issues with you is probably not the best way to promote your latest sale. But, you run your business the way you want. I feel fine about magic.
Message: Posted by: brehan (Jul 27, 2018 01:24PM)
If you have a problem lean over and wishper it in doccs ear.
Be gentel the man has had a car accident.
Message: Posted by: Chris K (Jul 27, 2018 02:01PM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2018, the Sponge wrote:
Other performers have shown pics of their injures or misfortunes in the past, so doesn't seem unreasonable or unusual to me. Maybe it is. [/quote]

It's beyond unreasonable actually. It's gross. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm nobody's apologist and I, personally, won't buy anything from Docc until this whole thing (misunderstanding or not) with him delivering is resolved. But to say what you just did... ugh.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Jul 27, 2018 02:37PM)
I didn't want gross pictures or actual pictures of his injury like Finley. Sheesh.
Message: Posted by: Dreda (Aug 8, 2018 12:42PM)
"NEW SEANCES COMING IN AUGUST 2018!"

god heard yours calls hahaha.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Nov 16, 2019 05:04AM)
Is Docc's site down???? keep getting "OPPS something went wrong" if I click on any of his items
Message: Posted by: cardistry master (Nov 16, 2019 06:30AM)
He has a new site http://docchilford.com/ but he doesn't have everything moved over yet.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Nov 16, 2019 11:50AM)
Thanks cardistry master, appreciated
Message: Posted by: cardistry master (Nov 16, 2019 03:42PM)
Your welcome I wonder if he'll make all the stuff from his old site available again. Some of it looked pretty good.