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Topic: Compressed Illusion
Message: Posted by: illusionman2 (Aug 18, 2017 03:43AM)
The Compressed Illusion was on Penn and Taylor's Fool Us ----- and It fooled Penn and Taylor--- did I miss something that was not shown on TV?? Surly Penn and Taylor know how that illusion is done. What did I miss???
Message: Posted by: JNeal (Aug 18, 2017 03:58PM)
The Penn and Teller show is a reality TV show... it is NOT reality. Just like AGT or American Idol.
In it's first season on British TV, there was a concerted effort to find people who could genuinely fool Penn and Teller.
When the show was moved to US production, the focus shifted to creating a more entertaining.. if less 'fooling' presentation.

In some cases, those who are now credited with having 'fooled' P and T are recognized professionals and therefore are accorded a certain level of 'respect', by having P & T saying they were fooled.
It also appears in the last two seasons, that many performers that appear have a primary goal of just logging some TV time, rather than actually fooling P & T.
Message: Posted by: Jerskin (Aug 18, 2017 08:33PM)
I'm good friends with JP, I talked to him last night & today. He genuinely fooled them.
Yes, some people do it for the TV credit with no thought that they'll fool P & T.
This is the first illusion that has fooled them.
Message: Posted by: JNeal (Aug 18, 2017 08:50PM)
Last year, Greg Wilson (son of Mark Wilson) performed Excalibur: Their version of the substitution trick using swords and with an added switch of personnel at the end.
This too was a 'Grande Illusion" that ostensibly 'fooled' them. At least they said so, but I'm not entirely sure that they were completely without a method.
I think it was an acknowledged tribute to the many accomplishments to the legacy of the Wilsons.
Just one man's opinion....
Message: Posted by: Jerskin (Aug 19, 2017 02:14AM)
I forgot about that. I think it surprised them more than it fooled them.
Message: Posted by: JNeal (Aug 19, 2017 09:18AM)
Yes it is a nice surprise at the end!
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Aug 19, 2017 10:22AM)
There is no way that illusion fooled Teller. The method is as plain as day to anyone knowledgable about illusions.
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Aug 19, 2017 07:06PM)
Well, you might think the method is plain till you start figuring where the blades on the top are and there's no trap.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Aug 19, 2017 07:44PM)
[quote]On Aug 19, 2017, jay leslie wrote:
Well, you might think the method is plain till you start figuring where the blades on the top are and there's no trap. [/quote]
???? blades, trap???? are you talking about the same illusion?
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Aug 19, 2017 09:30PM)
No the subject changed
It started off as Compressed and changed to Excalibur.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Aug 19, 2017 11:07PM)
Maybe. thomasR's comment could be about compressed, and that is how I took it.

Message: Posted by: wsudik (Aug 19, 2017 11:10PM)
Are you guys kidding me? blades? traps? mirrors? cameras? USSR tech? Excalibur??

no, $7,500: http://www.danielsummers.com/compressed.html

And, the assistant was either trained, or the trick is so simple she was reading basic instructions off the monitor in front of her.

No way they were tricked, Teller was even standing next to it and could have peeked behind (or grabbed her arse)
Message: Posted by: Jerskin (Aug 20, 2017 02:33PM)
The monitor was there so Alison could see herself. It's usually placed elsewhere which is what threw P & T
Message: Posted by: illusionman2 (Aug 21, 2017 05:27AM)
Do the rules for the show allow Alison to be trained before the show?
Message: Posted by: Jerskin (Aug 21, 2017 02:14PM)
She rehearsed for about an hour
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (Aug 22, 2017 02:21AM)
The Wilson "Excaliber" segment was a living tribute to the First Family of Television magic and the "award" was in respect to Mark & Nani and all they meant to the magical community. There is no way there were actually "fooled" by this wonderful but very well known Alan Wakeling illusion.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Aug 22, 2017 10:58AM)
Im quite surprised that Penn & Teller would stoop to lying (saying something fooled them when it didn't).

And yes my original comment was on Compressed.
Message: Posted by: Tim Snyder (Aug 22, 2017 07:30PM)
[quote]On Aug 22, 2017, thomasR wrote:
Im quite surprised that Penn & Teller would stoop to lying (saying something fooled them when it didn't). [/quote]

Read the posts by JNeal. The TV show really isn't about fooling Penn & Teller. That is just the hook for the show. Most trophies have been given out for reasons other than fooling P&T. The escape artist in the dryer comes to mind. I personally don't like the show because of the way Penn explains how he thinks the trick was done. He tries to be subtle and elusive, but I think he still gives too much away. So I have not watched any recent episodes. I much preferred Penn's earlier show "Wizard Wars."
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Aug 22, 2017 08:42PM)
Yes I saw those posts... I understand how the shows work and marketing etc. Still surprised that Penn and Teller would agree to lie about a trick fooling them or not.

I haven't watched every episode, but based on early episodes and interviews I've heard about the show, it seems originally the goal was to actually fool them with a trick.
Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Aug 23, 2017 05:24AM)
Does anybody has a link to this episode with the Compressed illusion, to make my own opinion ?


Message: Posted by: Jerskin (Aug 23, 2017 01:52PM)
P & T are allowed one guess, if they're wrong then they've been "Fooled"
Message: Posted by: magicskies (Aug 25, 2017 06:26AM)
One guess? No, I've seen a few of their episodes where they list 3 or 4 guesses.

On this particular episode with Compressed, no, you would have to be a complete neophyte to actually believe this illusion truly fooled them. They have advanced expertise on stage illusions of all kinds. A stage illusion being performed on that show has little to no chance of actually truly fooling them.

This one was definitely a freebie.

Totally agree with JNeal's assessment that in the first year of this show, it was more genuine where the attempts were real. Since then it is more about ratings and making "good television". If they want to keep their show on the air for another season, they have to comply and play the game. A percentage will have to be allowed to pass through to keep the interest going and keep the show on the air. Just a fact of life of modern television.
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Aug 27, 2017 01:46AM)
Ray was right on.