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Topic: Best over all wallet out there?
Message: Posted by: Matt71 (Aug 20, 2017 06:32PM)
Hi folks,
I have been swimming in the world of wallets trying to decide which to buy. Some are pricey, and new ones keep cropping up. I looked through previous posts and haven't found a thread in the last year that deals with the best over all wallet out there. Espionage looks like a good option, and the wallet from scam school looks great too, but that one is Really expensive.
Has anyone found one that they would recommend? Do you find that some features you just don't use enough to justify such a multifaceted device?
Should I keep it simple or go big?
What are your thoughts?
Message: Posted by: Leo H (Aug 20, 2017 08:06PM)
The wallet you purchase should reflect your requirements. Do you need a peek wallet? A Card to Wallet? A wallet that gives you many outs for a KK type of effect?

So then, your question should be: I want to perform XYZ effect, what is the ideal wallet for that?
Message: Posted by: Matt71 (Aug 20, 2017 09:42PM)
Though I agree with your statement, your answer does nothing to assist in my search. I am aware of some of the effects that I am interested in, but it would be nice if there was a discussion about what other effects are available in the world of wallets. I would hate to put down my $150 and find myself wishing I had that one other effect.
I'm sure there are other people out there reading this that feel the same way and are hoping that some of the more experienced folks here could help with that.
Message: Posted by: Leo H (Aug 20, 2017 10:30PM)
[quote]On Aug 20, 2017, Matt71 wrote:
Though I agree with your statement, your answer does nothing to assist in my search. I am aware of some of the effects that I am interested in, [/quote]

It's great that you are aware of the effects you're interested in. If you were not aware, you would not know. Right?
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Aug 21, 2017 06:51PM)
I couldn't find a wallet that suits all my needs so I decided on using several.

I've always got a Mullica on me daily for a no palm card to wallet since I always have a deck of cards on me.

I've always got a peek wallet on me that I also use to carry a few other things including some business cards. Currently I use the Dr Jaks from Tannen's Magic. A Stealth Assasin would work well for a peek wallet too and has even more functions.

If I have a dress shirt then I also have a non-magic notebook wallet that also has a couple packet tricks.

When working close up at a gig I also (in addition to the wallets mentioned above) carry a Predator Wallet for Paul Wilson's "Psycho Killer" routine. I have a close up table set up.

When walk around/strolling I ditch the Predator and add my Kollosal Killer wallet. I also add a Forbes Portfolio wallet for an occasional card to envelope in zippered compartment, although most of the time I use my Mullica.

I gave up trying to find a Swiss army wallet that does everything and opted for a more modular approach. This works well since I can switch one wallet out for another. For instance, sometimes I will carry Gregory Wilson's Stockbroker wallet with built in out to lunch in lieu of the Dr Jaks since it also carries business cards.

I've owned just about every magic wallet available. And still have a bunch that I'll ring in once in a while. If I were to carry only one wallet besides a card to wallet then I'd go for a multi-purpose such as the Stealth Assasin, Espionage, or the Infinity. I tried that approach and found that I was always switching things out in order to accommodate different tricks. Therefore I settled on having a particular wallet set up for a couple tricks and periodically putting those wallets into the rotation.
Message: Posted by: Matt71 (Aug 22, 2017 04:31PM)
Thank you for your input MJ Marrs. It is much apreciated. So would you say that a Swiss army aproach to wallets just end up getting crowded? You mentioned having to switch things out.
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Aug 22, 2017 09:55PM)
I have several wallets, each serving a different purpose for the effect i.e. Mullicas (large and hip pocket), Himbers (large for bills, small for cards). The 'Worker's Dream' wallet (Harry Robson) is as close to the 'swiss army' concept from the wallets I've owned in the past and present.
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Aug 22, 2017 10:19PM)
I suppose if you're the kind of person who knows which tricks you'll carry in your wallet then having a multipurpose one such as the SAW is the way to go. This way you'll only carry one wallet and life will be simple. Theoretically you could switch out effects, such as packet tricks, with that wallet too. But I've always found it to be a hassle to switch things around. There is only so much room even in the multi-purpose wallets. The last thing you need is to fumble looking for stuff. I like having it become second nature when I reach for a wallet to know from years of experience which routines it's set up for. I recall Eugene Burger writing about how he would have his pocket organization set up to the point where he didn't have to think. Sort of a zen thing.

That's not to say that I don't find the multi-use wallets useful. On the contrary. I love my Stealth Assasin, and I use it to good effect. But I've got it set up for a few select routines that I use periodically. Especially if I am working for a group who has seen my regular sets before. Then I ring it in.
Message: Posted by: Jack Skipton (Aug 27, 2017 05:45AM)
I always found BKM to be a very versatile wallet.
Message: Posted by: yin_howe (Sep 5, 2017 03:52AM)
The scam school rogue wallet is similar to the Alakazam Infinity wallet. http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S13092

But the Espionage wallet seems to have even more features. http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S14839

Disclaimer: I do not own any of these wallets.

I own the Real Man's Wallet. Which only has Card to Wallet function.
Message: Posted by: yin_howe (Sep 5, 2017 06:43AM)
This might be of help too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEpxh3Md9-c
Message: Posted by: Doomo (Sep 6, 2017 11:47AM)
I have made one or two wallets.
Message: Posted by: yin_howe (Sep 6, 2017 09:59PM)
I have and like Tony Miller's (Doomo) Triple Threat Wallet.
I only used the CTW function.
Message: Posted by: shomemagic (Sep 15, 2017 08:09PM)
Pimpernell Notecase by Peter Scarlett

Large JOL
Message: Posted by: MikeM (Oct 21, 2017 08:45PM)
I am considering Purchasing one of Tony Millers Wallets but would like to know a bit more about the differences between The Real Man's Speed Loader and The Speed Loader Plus.

Could anyone help in terms of the additional features and the pro's and con's of these two.

I am also curious what the "Plus" feature is of the Speed Loader Plus and whether this is carried forward to the Real Mans Speed loader.

If anyone owns both of these I would appreciate their assessment of the two from a practical standpoint. :thanx:
Message: Posted by: Cauan (Oct 22, 2017 03:58PM)
Real Man's wallet is really easy to load ! For mentalist predictions you can do some use the finger thing and load on the wallet very fast and looks a normal wallet ( the only down side is that it just have 4 holes to your cards and no coins zipper ... but is cheap, good material wallet, and secretly magical ( p.s. brazilian english )
Message: Posted by: warren (Oct 23, 2017 11:52AM)
I put the following thread together many moons ago which might be useful http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=584807&forum=2
Message: Posted by: MikeM (Oct 23, 2017 08:25PM)
[quote]On Oct 22, 2017, Cauan wrote:
Real Man's wallet is really easy to load ! For mentalist predictions you can do some use the finger thing and load on the wallet very fast and looks a normal wallet ( the only down side is that it just have 4 holes to your cards and no coins zipper ... but is cheap, good material wallet, and secretly magical ( p.s. brazilian english ) [/quote]

Thanks Cauan appreciate your response - good to see its easy to load as the speed is what I'm after - I assume by "4 holes you mean pockets. What I am trying to appreciate is the main differences between the two wallets. By the way if you are after a good Coin purse you may like to check out Tony Millers Real Man's Coin Wallet - see http://rfaproductions.com/products/coinwallet.htm.
Message: Posted by: MikeM (Oct 23, 2017 08:35PM)
[quote]On Oct 23, 2017, warren wrote:
I put the following thread together many moons ago which might be useful http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=584807&forum=2 [/quote]

Thanks Warren I am at this stage looking to purchase either the Speed loader Plus or the Real Man's Speed Loader. As I neither own either I am really trying to obtain some practical views from people who have used both products before finally deciding on my purchase. The piece from Doomo ratifying that he speed loader mechanics are the same was a good start.
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Jan 11, 2018 07:05AM)
Mike, Both the Speed loader Plus and the Real Man's Speed Loader work exactly the same in terms of loading the card into the wallet. EXACTLY!! The difference is in how the card is revealed and the inside "look" of the wallet. That is, the difference is cosmetic!

Upon opening the Speed Loader Plus you see a fairly minimalistic wallet interior. The card is removed from under a leather pocket/slot. No fuss, no mess, no bother. Mr. Miller gives you the working such that the card can end up paper clipped within the folds of a bill in that pocket.

Upon opening the Real Man's Speed Loader you see leather flap covering an ID window (a la the Real Man's Wallet). Lift the flap and reveal the card.

In both cases the card is removed toward the fold of the wallet.

Look at the photos on the site and decide which look and which reveal you like most. That's it. Honestly, it is really a matter of taste.

Did I mention that they both load exactly the same? Yep, the same method, working, speed and ease.

If you can't decide you can either flip a coin (you won't be disappointed with either waller) OR buy them both, decide which works best for you and sell the other.


To muddy the water a bit, I'd say wait till Mr. Miller has his RFA wallet back in stock. It adds an element of apparent impossibility (the card ending up in a snapped closed compartment inside a zippered closed wallet! SWEET!!).

Which do I own and use? The Speed Loader Plus.
Message: Posted by: Scott Horn (Jan 11, 2018 08:57AM)
To the original question posed...I'm no wallet expert but have had my share of gimmicked wallets over the years. To narrow this down, I see 5 basic gimmicks available in a wallet
. - Switching - i.e. Shogun
. - No-Palm card to wallet - i.e. Mullica
. - Palm card to wallet - i.e. Kaps
. - Peek - i.e. SUC, Espionage
. - Index
What am I missing?

I know of 2 variation of Switching: Shogun and Pimpernell, several variations for Palm and No-Palm, and I understand there are (maybe) a dozen or more variations for Peeks.

There is no "one size fits all," because the (1) the more features, the bulkier the wallet and (2) its not just about the feature (i.e. palm) its the configuration of that feature (i.e. slide, no-slide, Speed Loader, etc.)

For now, I carry the Alakazam Infinity wallet. Features include: Shogun, Palm C2W, Peek, and index. It does not have a no-palm gimmick and I don't use the peek features. It's bulky, but it suites me. I've shown it to other magicians and it doesn't suit them.

I agree wholeheartedly with Leo's initial comment... I believe the wallet should support the routines, not the other way around. With very rate exception... its better to find the gimmick that supports a routine and not force a routine around a gimmick.

My perspective is you first need to determine what routines you want to perform and thus what features your need. And then you need some parameters for the "type" such as jacket size vs hip pocket size vs business card size, thickness, cosmetics (i.e. zippered, styling), and specific wants (i.e. card in envelope in wallet).
Message: Posted by: warren (Jan 22, 2018 04:50PM)
I would add palm loading with out use of a slide ie the excellent JOL range and some of Tony's excellent new wallets.
Message: Posted by: cytoplasm (Mar 19, 2018 05:02AM)
Hi guys, well Iím one pi**ed off camper right now! I was mugged last night while heading home from my local pub after a couple of beers. The bast**ds stole my beloved new stealth assassin wallet which was less than two weeks old! Iíd only just retired my last one after 10+ years of loyal service as it was looking pretty tired. Iíve cancelled all my bank cards and fortunately the only cash that was in there was £35 which I had for performing the Cash Caberet routine. Iíve also lost My Will to Read envelope and a couple of other effects I used to carry around along with two hand written aged letters that I used to use when performing Heirloom Emilyís Revenge but was planning to use as part of a Redux version in my new SAW. I also need to contact the DVLA for a replacement licence, I suppose it could have been worse but it has really annoyed and upset me! I was so excited about getting my new wallet and when if finally arrived I was like a child at Christmas transferring my stuff across to the shiny new one so that I was ready to perform. I bet the idiots that nicked it will have no doubt chucked it after taking the cash. Anyway I thought I would share this not so good news with my magical friends : (
Message: Posted by: DavidJComedy (Mar 22, 2018 01:42PM)
Cytoplasm, that is awful! Sorry for the rough luck!

On the topic of wallets, I am familiar with the Mullica wallet, own a real man's wallet, but prefer the Espionage which I purchased for the ease of loading for both the palm/no palm CTW. It also offers so many other features that have been discussed here. It is a bit thicker, but a great Swiss army of wallets.
Message: Posted by: LondonN8 (Apr 1, 2018 05:16AM)
Hi there Scott great post can you please help me with regards to the infinity wallet, is this the same as the hairloom delux in the way of outs. I know the delux has 16 outs and the infinity 8 I think, but what I would like to know is can you shoW the infinity bill compartment empty like the hailoom after taking the prodition out,
Many thanks if you can help best regards

If anyone can help I would be greatfull, just want to know if the infinty wallet has the same workings as the hailoom I.E the bill compartment, can you show this empty like the hairloom, after taking out a enovlope prodiction from one of the outs does anyone have both wallets and are they both the same size or is one wallet bigger than the other.

:)
Message: Posted by: Scott Horn (Apr 1, 2018 11:11AM)
I don't have an Heriloom... don't know its features. I understand it was designed specifically for the Heriloom effect, so I would assume it has less versatility than the Infinity, but may be more deceptive the the Heirloom handling.
Message: Posted by: LondonN8 (Apr 1, 2018 02:35PM)
[quote]On Apr 1, 2018, Scott Horn wrote:
I don't have an Heriloom... don't know its features. I understand it was designed specifically for the Heriloom effect, so I would assume it has less versatility than the Infinity, but may be more deceptive the the Heirloom handling. [/quote]

Many thanks scott for your reply, Can the infinity be used both ways bottom and top like the hairloom ?

Cytoplasm, so Sorry to here this its very good you are ok that's the main thing you will get another wallet hopfully soon I see your from england like me as you say DVLA best regards

I have been posting in quite a few places for some one to help me if they have ever had a infinity wallet, what I would like to know is this ?

1) Can the infinity wallet be used both ways open at the top and bottom of wallet like the Predator & Heirloom or deluxe

2) Can the bill section Infinity be shown Empty after taking out the prediction i.e playing card or small envelope

3) Is the size of both wallets the same please could you post measurements in inch for width and length.

I hope some one out there can finally help and give me these answers so I then can decide what wallet to buy for outs and some magic

Best regards London-N8
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 5, 2018 12:09PM)
LondonN8, if you live in London, why not go to the west end, and visit the famous magic stores there, as well a Piccadilly area. There you may get all your questions answered. I think there are more magic stores in the U.K. then in the whole world. You missed Blackpool convention, this year, you could have been able to see all the wallets on the market.

Looks like you have done a lot of research so far, why not finish with actually seeing them in person.

I have to say, every manufacturer thinks his wallet is the best. Every person that has purchased a wallet, thinks his is the best. Usually, it winds up being the 1st wallet you buy is the best and your favorite. Most likely because it is the one they have worked the most with and grew an attachment to over time.

Just my thoughts on all your questions.
Message: Posted by: DocBenWiz (Aug 1, 2018 02:22PM)
[quote]On Apr 1, 2018, LondonN8 wrote:
[quote]On Apr 1, 2018, Scott Horn wrote:
I don't have an Heriloom... don't know its features. I understand it was designed specifically for the Heriloom effect, so I would assume it has less versatility than the Infinity, but may be more deceptive the the Heirloom handling. [/quote]

Many thanks scott for your reply, Can the infinity be used both ways bottom and top like the hairloom ?

Cytoplasm, so Sorry to here this its very good you are ok that's the main thing you will get another wallet hopfully soon I see your from england like me as you say DVLA best regards

I have been posting in quite a few places for some one to help me if they have ever had a infinity wallet, what I would like to know is this ?

1) Can the infinity wallet be used both ways open at the top and bottom of wallet like the Predator & Heirloom or deluxe

2) Can the bill section Infinity be shown Empty after taking out the prediction i.e playing card or small envelope

3) Is the size of both wallets the same please could you post measurements in inch for width and length.

I hope some one out there can finally help and give me these answers so I then can decide what wallet to buy for outs and some magic

Best regards London-N8 [/quote]

Ditto here, just ordered Heirloom Deluxe Emily's Revenge, but holding off on wallet purchase. I second Scott's questions above re Infinity vs Heirloom wallet. And I am now resident in Idaho, nowhere near any "brick and mortar" stores to compare and since moving from Phoenix 2 years ago no longer have a cadre of magic buddies who might own and show me these wallets.
Appreciate any opinions based on experience...thanks!
Bill ("Doc Ben")
:thanx:
Message: Posted by: C-suite magic (Aug 6, 2018 10:50AM)
I've just ordered The Rebel Wallet as a CTW. I've used the JOL large Plus and Harry Robson's HOW wallet to date. I also use the SAW or Hideout Wallet for peeks. The rest of the wallets I own (many) sit in a drawer unused.
Message: Posted by: Ubernutz (Aug 7, 2018 08:41PM)
Heirloom contains 16 in***es

I love the espionage a lot as wellw
Message: Posted by: mrpiper (Nov 19, 2018 08:56PM)
Some clarity on the "Heirloom" wallet. It does have an amazing amount of in****s. It has a feature that allows you to flash it empty to the spectator. It can VERY easily be used to switch one card to the other and have the spectator remove the card after the switch. (pm if you need specifics) It is great for Kolossal Killer and Heirloom and you could actually carry BOTH at the same time in this wallet thanks to the unique set up and STILL have a switch card available. The embossed trademark makes it easy to orient the wallet quickly and invisibly to produce the desired effect with NO chance of error. The wallet is deceptively flat looking, even when pretty well loaded.
The leather of this wallet is very good quality and although the wallet is a little large, unless you sit it on a table beside a "regular" sized wallet, the size is not a tip to the spectator. I have never had anyone comment on the size or become suspicious about it.
This is NOT capable of "Card to Wallet" except if you are capable of "card to anywhere" techniques. It does not have a peek function.
Like most here, I own far more wallets than I really need. I routinely carry two. One in each back pocket. One is a "card to wallet" where the spectator removes the card from a zipper compartment in the wallet. This one also has my license and credit cards etc... The other I carry is the Heirloom Deluxe and I put a couple of credit cards in it just to add some credibility but it is not my "real" wallet.
Message: Posted by: Doomo (Dec 9, 2018 11:55AM)
Just to add a little fire. Here is a dual load kaps and Mullica that some of you may find interesting... Watch closely... https://youtu.be/OIDvJRdNw7o

Tony