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Topic: Cut the cards and complete the cut - Fail
Message: Posted by: magiccube (Sep 10, 2017 11:41AM)
You probably all know the situation when you have a stacked deck and ask a spectator to cut the deck and complete the cut. Sometimes the cards are very slippy or the spectator quickly does several piles and completes the cut that changes the order of the cards. Of course you pay attention to prevent that, but sometimes this happens so quick or unexpected, even though correct wording. What are you doing in that situation? Doing something else? Or having another card deck in your jacket that you can switch?
Message: Posted by: BarryFernelius (Sep 10, 2017 12:27PM)
You could either 1) demonstrate exactly what you'd like them to do OR 2) mime the actions that you want them to perform. It won't work 100% of the time, but it will help.
Message: Posted by: alicauchy (Sep 10, 2017 01:05PM)
[quote]On Sep 10, 2017, magiccube wrote:
You probably all know the situation when you have a stacked deck and ask a spectator to cut the deck and complete the cut. Sometimes the cards are very slippy or the spectator quickly does several piles and completes the cut that changes the order of the cards. Of course you pay attention to prevent that, but sometimes this happens so quick or unexpected, even though correct wording. What are you doing in that situation? Doing something else? Or having another card deck in your jacket that you can switch? [/quote]

You provided two very good solutions; perhaps doing something else in which the spectators can freely shuffle and, then, switching the deck.

Anyway, "risk prevention" is crucial, as stated in the previous answer.
Message: Posted by: magiccube (Sep 10, 2017 01:14PM)
If it's related to mentalism it might be easier to argument, saying for instance that the effect is related in a mix of magic, psychology, influence, reading the body language, etc. Sometimes it's 100%, and sometimes just a bit.
Message: Posted by: Ben Blau (Sep 11, 2017 11:09AM)
Assuming you've already got your audience management skills down, the best answer is to have a contingency trick that you'll do instead of the one you originally planned. The audience doesn't know what they don't see.
Message: Posted by: ddyment (Sep 11, 2017 03:36PM)
Yet another approach is not to telegraph what you are doing: ask the participant to cut the cards into two piles, and place the second pile here (gesturing). When this is done, point out the impossibility of nobody knowing what the cut-to card is, and then (gesturing again) ask the participant to complete the cut.

Of course, this won't completely solve the "slippery cards" problem but it will help even in that case, by minimizing the participant's handling of the pack.
Message: Posted by: macc (Sep 12, 2017 10:53AM)
This happened to me one time. The cards fell on the floor...I gathered them up and just tried it again.
Luckily the stack still worked.:-)
Message: Posted by: 252life (Sep 27, 2017 08:46PM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2017, ddyment wrote:
Yet another approach is not to telegraph what you are doing: ask the participant to cut the cards into two piles, and place the second pile here (gesturing). When this is done, point out the impossibility of nobody knowing what the cut-to card is, and then (gesturing again) ask the participant to complete the cut.

Of course, this won't completely solve the "slippery cards" problem but it will help even in that case, by minimizing the participant's handling of the pack. [/quote]


thank you Doug. The devils in those details, and I love that one.
Message: Posted by: Bobby Forbes (Sep 27, 2017 10:05PM)
I have them hold the cards as if they were going to deal them, then ask them to cut about half of them onto the table then place the remaining half on top. No cards slip and none get left behind on the table due to the slippery table tops.
Message: Posted by: RiderBacks (Oct 19, 2017 04:03AM)
[quote]On Sep 10, 2017, magiccube wrote: but sometimes this happens so quick or unexpected, even though correct wording.[/quote]

Your wording was not correct.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Oct 26, 2017 09:54AM)
Some new cards today very slippery. I have one deck made all of plastic that are. If stand up hold the cards yourself and just let them more half to your other hand and you complete the cut. If on table just have them lift a little bit. If the cards fall on table you can easily keep the order.
Message: Posted by: Herr Brian Tabor (Dec 31, 2017 01:48AM)
A subtlety I use is to emphasize that they can cut in the middle, deep, or near to top, wherever they'd like. Placing the emphasis on the depth of the cut seems to subconsciously imply to cut once. It seems to work for me. Of course, I usually demonstrate first, to be safe. On the rare occasion they have ruined the stack I just go into a different routine, and switch the deck by putting it away after the trick and doing something else, then pulling out the deck for one last effect.
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Dec 31, 2017 04:18AM)
Many good tips here on how to prevent the dropped/messed up cards issue to begin with.

But I'm guessing that every now and again the stack will still get messed up. In which case I have only two recourses: if I'm using my own deck it's most likely m*rked, and so I can probably do the same or similar effect anyway, or otherwise I'll just switch into a different effect and dump any stacked effects I had planned (and at that point I might as well tell the spectator to give the cards a thorough shuffle while I think of what to do next, lol)
Message: Posted by: Ricardo Delgado (Dec 31, 2017 07:15AM)
Cutting the cards into multiple piles only mix the cards in blocks. In that case is no that difficult to rearrange them. A good patter could help to:

"You can even cut the cards with the deck facing up, it's not common, but it works too" (spread the cards and nonchalantly drop each packet to the table, reversing what the spec has done).
Message: Posted by: RiderBacks (Jan 1, 2018 02:11AM)
Those who have tried effects that rely on the spectator cutting while the magician isn't looking will know how to better solve the OP's problems... My advice is to start with that kind of effect in mind when thinking about how to word your instructions. If you must, you can also go balls to the wall and show them how to cut the cards under the guise of explaining to them what kind of behavior would get them shot in a card game. Best way to do that? In the course of something like a poker effect...

You are asking for a load of trouble if you ask a spectator you have no knowledge of to "cut the cards and complete the cut". Everybody with any experience knows this. The words "cut the cards and complete the cut" should never, ever, ever come out of your mouth unless you already know how the individual cuts.
Message: Posted by: RiderBacks (Jan 1, 2018 02:18AM)
To follow up on this, it will help you greatly to think like an experienced *** who knows a lot of card effects and is determined to screw yours up. This kind of *** might, when you ask them to "cut the cards and complete the cut" perform some ridiculously fancy triple-cut straight out of cardistry. Whose fault is that? It's your fault. You enabled them to **** with your effect and totally ruin it. Routine everything *as if* your spectator were just that kind of ***.
Message: Posted by: blamobox (Jan 8, 2018 07:56PM)
Always have an out, that's my advice.
I frequently use card to pocket & Roy Walton's 'Smiling Mule' in such circumstances.
Message: Posted by: ThomasIndigo (Jan 10, 2018 01:56PM)
If you want spectators to behave a specific way, you need to 1. Get good at identifying cooperative specs, and 2. Give directions one at a time, with visual demonstration if possible (ie show how to cut). If tragedy still strikes and a mistake is made, change the course of the effect or have other outs.
Message: Posted by: Bad jelly (Mar 1, 2018 11:44PM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2017, ddyment wrote:
Yet another approach is not to telegraph what you are doing: ask the participant to cut the cards into two piles, and place the second pile here (gesturing). When this is done, point out the impossibility of nobody knowing what the cut-to card is, and then (gesturing again) ask the participant to complete the cut.

Of course, this won't completely solve the "slippery cards" problem but it will help even in that case, by minimizing the participant's handling of the pack. [/quote]

Was 'Panning for Gold' in this thread and found it.