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Topic: Egg Bag question
Message: Posted by: mindacrossrhino (Sep 15, 2017 07:37AM)
Hi

I'm looking for a suitable egg for an egg bag routine using a Malini style bag. I currently have solid rubber and wooden eggs, however I find both too heavy for some of the sleights involved, as too is a real egg. I have considered using blown eggs, but am worried these are too fragile. I recently came across the Plastic Eggs by Donato Colucci, and wondered if these may be the answer, however I note in the description that these take a load.

I am not sure how they are loaded (screw together, hole in the back aka silk in egg etc),but do worry that the loadability (is that even a word?) may compromise the naturalness of the eggs when I hand these out for examination at the start of the routine (note how I resisted the urge to say eggs-amination - doh!).

Is anyone her on the Café familiar with this set who could advise re. the suitability/general look and feel? I have tried enquiring with Alakazam Magic who stock these, however they ship their product directly from their warehouse and are as such unable to comment as no one in heir office has hands on experience.

A link to the product can be found here: https://www.alakazam.co.uk/product-high-quality-plastic-eggswhite--6-packby-donato-colucci--trick-plasticeggs6pkwht.html

This sounded like the best forum to post in, but please do let me know if you feel a different forum may be more productive.

Many thanks
Simon
Message: Posted by: 61magic (Sep 15, 2017 09:18AM)
Simon the best fake egg you can get is from Jeff Hobson. http://www.hobsonschoicemagic.com/ price is reasonable and quality is perfect.

Good Luck
Message: Posted by: mindacrossrhino (Sep 15, 2017 11:08AM)
Hi, thanks for that. Unfortunately I am based in the UK so am worried postage may be prohibitive (couldn't see on the site if there is international shipping). I don't suppose you know if Jeff sells via any UK outlets?

Many thanks
Simon
Message: Posted by: 55Hudson (Sep 15, 2017 09:09PM)
Real blown eggs work fine. Coat them with a lacquer and that hardens them up some. Always carry an extra egg for the smart ass that cracks them on a surface - yes that happened to me!

I also have Jeff Hobson's eggs - they are great, but blowing eggs is cheap, just takes some lungs!

Hudson
Message: Posted by: mindacrossrhino (Sep 16, 2017 02:30AM)
Thanks Hudson, I will give that a try. Was actually more worried about me cracking the eggs in a jacket pocket than the spec's, but given your comments I'll give blown eggs a shot.

Actually started looking for a ceramic egg but without success as I figured they would be more durable, although did see Francis Menotti do an egg bag routine on his Treachery of Tricks DVD where he managed to break a ceramic one too (he very ably worked around this set-back)!
Message: Posted by: ekins (Sep 16, 2017 09:10PM)
I worked on an egg farm for a few years through my high school and college days and I can tell you there is a huge difference in shell hardness from one egg to another. Unfortunately it's not necessarily obvious by looking at them. First, the smaller eggs are likely to have a thicker/harder shell. Also look for a smooth as possible shell. Young hens will lay smaller, thicker shelled eggs but then over time the shells will get thinner and more porous. Once they shells get too fragile that they become too difficult to process they force the hens into molting where they quit laying. Once they start laying again the eggs are still larger but the shells are much stronger again. If you use a smaller egg it's more likely from a younger hen and you'll have a better chance of a stronger shell.

-Brian
Message: Posted by: 55Hudson (Sep 16, 2017 11:06PM)
Simon,
I have cracked a couple of eggs, but not many. I took an afternoon and blew a dozen eggs and the coated them with some lacquer that I got at an art store. I always carry a spare with me and keep the eggs in one of those camping containers. (Yellow egg containers for backpackers. They come in 2-egg, 6-egg, and 12-egg containers.).

Even when I had a kid crack my egg, I was still able to complete the routine, the egg just had a crack in it. Tossed it after that show. Another time I cruhshed one of my eggs in my brief case. That's when I went to the backpacking containers. No trouble since then.

Good luck!

Hudson
Message: Posted by: mindacrossrhino (Sep 17, 2017 09:37AM)
Thanks Brian/Hudson. The advice re. egg selection is invaluable (who'd have thought we'd have an egg expert in a magic forum:-) Hadn't occurred to me to use a camping container, great idea (no idea why I didn't think of that myself, so simple)!!

The Café really is an invaluable resource☺
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Sep 17, 2017 11:14AM)
I've been questioned and have had remarks about how light the hollowed eggs are. I tell them that it's because they are not chicken eggs, they're duck eggs. No one has ever questioned it.
Message: Posted by: ROBERT BLAKE (Sep 17, 2017 01:55PM)
Www.tirofog.com/index.php/tirofog-made/eggs-actly-egg.html

I always buy 10 from tirofog.
Message: Posted by: Jason Simonds (Sep 17, 2017 04:41PM)
You don't have to blow the eggs. You can use meat injector to suck out the eggs. Them fill the syringe with water to rinse out the egg real well. Look online for using modge podge to strengthen blown eggs. That's what ladies that decorate the eggs use. Good luck.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Sep 17, 2017 07:18PM)
There are several DIY youtube videos with several different ways to make your own "blown eggs" and the super inexpensive supplies to make it simpler. There is also a very good video lecture on Aaron Fishers Conjuring Community that teaches you how, goes over a couple alternatives (IIRC) and teaches a nice routine. I tried out the Conjuring Community on a one month trial and even though there wasn't a lot for me (to keep a monthly subscription) there are some really great classes (live lecture type with multiple "pros" input) on a ton of great subjects. Here is a link to it. Also, if you are on his email list, there are special offers from time to time. http://conjuror.community/
Message: Posted by: Riley (Sep 18, 2017 03:18AM)
I've used blown eggs for over thirty years. Ken Brooke used to supply a nasal syringe with the Malini Egg Bag. Squeeze it to fill with water then squirt this into the ONE small hole you've made in the egg to blow out the contents. Much easier than making two holes in the egg, then going blue in the face. Let the egg dry then cover the hole with spackle/Pollyfilla. If using a brown egg mix the spackle with a little brown acrylic paint.

http://hoeggerfarmyard.com/xcart/images/P/34D.jpg :cheering:
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Sep 19, 2017 01:11AM)
The bags we make are meant for heavier eggs. I use eggs-actly eggs and/but due to the heavier fabric I think a heavier egg would be great.
there are many advantages to a heavier bag. Hobson's bag are also heavier.
Message: Posted by: mindacrossrhino (Sep 19, 2017 05:04PM)
Hi

Thanks all for the great advice.

I do already have an Albini style bag in a much heavier material that I have been using for a great many years, however after watching Luis De Matos' DVD 'The Egg Bag' I was convinced to switch to a Malini bag.

The DVD came with an egg bag in a very thin material (but no egg). The particular move I have struggled with, with the heavier eggs, is where the bag is laid flat over the performers hand and the audience member strokes the bag and the bag appears empty. When performing this display, which I feel is very strong, the heavier eggs tend to make the bag fall through the fingers too much, and hence my thinking that a lighter egg is the way forwards (I may change my mind when I actually try one)!

I note that in another DVD I have, Francis Menotti uses a hollow ceramic egg, although never come across these (fascinatingly the spectator does manage to break his egg in the recorded live performance, however he deals with this like a real pro).

Going to give the blown eggs a try. Lots of fantastic advice on how to do this so will see how this goes.

Kind regards
Simon
Message: Posted by: Stperformer (Sep 21, 2017 01:11PM)
As many have stated above, make your own blown egg. Having done this many times, here are a couple tips.

One, coat the inside with Epoxy /Resin. You have to mix up a batch and quickly inject it into the egg. Then you must roll the egg around so it adheres/covers the whole inside of the egg. And every once in a while move it around til it hardens,

These eggs are very durable.

Depending on the size you want, you simply buy that size. Brown or white.

And often I try and buy eggs free range from a local farmer as they have thicker shells than the factory farm eggs.

This is what I use and they are IMHO by far your best bet. Just takes some work and effort.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Sep 22, 2017 09:04AM)
I carry 4 or so plain blown eggs with the hole Hidden with spackle. Even in my birthday party years, I only broke one of them, and I'm not conscious of habling them with care. When I find that one is cracked, I toss it.
I bought my first bag from Charlie Miller, but I think that the booklet that came with it, said Magic Inc on. I still have it, along with the booklet, and it shows no sign of wear.
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Sep 23, 2017 05:29PM)
The Jeff Hobson eggs, although beautiful, are BIG and they will not fit in the "secret something" in every egg bag out there. They were specifically made by Jeff for use in the Hobson Egg Bag.
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Sep 24, 2017 05:02PM)
Some of us use practice golf balls, instead of an egg. Find the really hard ones. They'll work with almost any egg bag.
Message: Posted by: 61magic (Sep 24, 2017 07:17PM)
I'm with Alan on this one. I found the practice golf ball worked out so well I quit using eggs. I changed the routine a little by modifying my patter to fit. When I perform for a group the will include golfers I do a switch to a real golf ball for the final production and toss it out at the end.
Golfers love it...
Message: Posted by: Doc Svengali (Sep 24, 2017 11:00PM)
I have also found the Hobson eggs to be huge and not a great fit for my Malini bag and small hands. The Eggs-actly eggs work very well but I found them to be more fragile than anticipated. I dropped and broke one the first day I began practicing with my new egg bag. I am still experimenting with various types to find a good balance of size, weight, slipperiness and indestructibility. So far, most eggs have been too big, too heavy, too fragile or not slippery enough.
Message: Posted by: mindacrossrhino (Sep 25, 2017 07:12AM)
The practice golf balls are an interesting idea. I actually have a number of these already as I use them from time to time as a final load in my mini chop cup! May switch this around when performing for golfers (something I've yet to do) as love the idea of the switch to a real ball at the end.

For now though I think I am wedded to the egg (incidentally the wife has been berating me for years that producing an egg from a bag is just weird, and only makes sense to another magician and that I should produce something else rather than slavishly pander to tradition:-)
Message: Posted by: ROBERT BLAKE (Sep 26, 2017 02:59PM)
[quote]On Sep 25, 2017, mindacrossrhino wrote:

(incidentally the wife has been berating me for years that producing an egg from a bag is just weird, and only makes sense to another magician and that I should produce something else rather than slavishly pander to tradition:-) [/quote]

Well think about it a fragile object (EGG) an bag that can be beaten twisted folded. You can not do that with an egg inside. Two opposites. That is why I like the egg. FRAGILE
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Sep 26, 2017 03:43PM)
I introduce my bag as a lunch bag. The egg is a natural.
I've been thinking about taking out an apple or other fruit first. "I know that I had an egg n here ...... ", but so far, no one has ever questioned the bag. I first started doing th bag in the early 60s.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Sep 26, 2017 04:21PM)
[quote]On Sep 26, 2017, ROBERT BLAKE wrote:
[quote]On Sep 25, 2017, mindacrossrhino wrote:

(incidentally the wife has been berating me for years that producing an egg from a bag is just weird, and only makes sense to another magician and that I should produce something else rather than slavishly pander to tradition:-) [/quote]

Well think about it a fragile object (EGG) an bag that can be beaten twisted folded. You can not do that with an egg inside. Two opposites. That is why I like the egg. FRAGILE [/quote]

Exactly! THAT is why the egg was "involved". (For the reason mentioned, by friend Robert) These guys that use golf balls, and similar objects, miss the point! It'a not "pandering to tradition", at least not IMO!
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Sep 27, 2017 04:28AM)
Sometimes a little thinking goes a long way. Golf balls don't break. Eggs do. As magicians, our job is to ENTERTAIN people...........its not "The adventure of props in your hands".
Message: Posted by: Zauberman (Sep 27, 2017 07:34PM)
Eggs are funny....golf balls are, well, golf balls.
Message: Posted by: mindacrossrhino (Oct 2, 2017 04:39PM)
You are preaching to the converted, I am a fan of the egg (just not the wife:-) I do like the idea of the golf balls for a golfing audience though (should I ever have one) as some interesting routines suggest themselves in that scenario.

I am taken with the idea of removing some fruit first from the bag and introducing it as a lunch bag. A bit of a hit on pocket space, but as I already carry two large loads (sometimes fruit) for my Chop Cup routine, I can see some sense in doubling up on their use (both routines are in different sets so I won't find myself performing both for the same groups).
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Oct 2, 2017 05:22PM)
[quote]On Oct 2, 2017, mindacrossrhino wrote:
You are preaching to the converted, I am a fan of the egg (just not the wife:-) I do like the idea of the golf balls for a golfing audience though (should I ever have one) as some interesting routines suggest themselves in that scenario.

I am taken with the idea of removing some fruit first from the bag and introducing it as a lunch bag. A bit of a hit on pocket space, but as I already carry two large loads (sometimes fruit) for my Chop Cup routine, I can see some sense in doubling up on their use (both routines are in different sets so I won't find myself performing both for the same groups). [/quote]

I came across my set of sponge multiplying bananas, and thought that it would be a good way to open the routine. Start with the bananas, (or hot dogs, or maybe pickles) first, then find the egg in the bag.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Oct 9, 2017 01:02AM)
I need to use an egg as my presentation requires it, so I couldn't use a golf ball, even if I wanted to.

I store my eggs-actly egg inside a largeish plastic hinged easter egg with a wee bit of sponge on each end.
I crack one every few years or so, so I keep an extra in it's box for just such an occasion.
Even if it does crack, you could still use it during your act, and replace it afterwards.

I much prefer the fragile egg concept but I wouldn't take anything away from an excellent golf theme if they had one.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Oct 10, 2017 02:43PM)
In all the years, I have never had a blown egg break, until another performer (a juggler) grabbed my egg to show me a move and dropped it. This was just before I was set to go on a TV show. I ran from the hall to the hotel kitchen got a real egg and used it for the show. I travel with an egg carrier used by campers. :kermit:
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Oct 10, 2017 02:59PM)
I've openned my egg box, (cardboard supermarket), to find an egg cracked, but don't remember ever breaking one during a performance. I much prefer a blown egg to a fake one. So easy to replace.
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Oct 11, 2017 04:28PM)
[quote]On Sep 27, 2017, Rainboguy wrote:
Sometimes a little thinking goes a long way. Golf balls don't break. Eggs do. As magicians, our job is to ENTERTAIN people...........its not "The adventure of props in your hands". [/quote]

I have a reason for using a golf ball. Especially for kid shows, kids would sometimes yell out that the egg is fake, distracting from the show. That doesn't happen with a golf ball. Besides, what happens when you sling a golf ball, in a bag, against your hand? It hurts like hell! You're right - I suppose I could toss a raw egg to the kid, having it make a mess all over him. But, I'm not that mean.

Hobson uses a golf ball for some shows.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Oct 11, 2017 04:52PM)
It doesn't matter what you use. If your audience likes your routine, and the prop work for you, what the heck is the difference?
Message: Posted by: jeffhobson (Oct 26, 2017 01:34PM)
[quote]On Oct 10, 2017, Pete Biro wrote:
In all the years, I have never had a blown egg break, until another performer (a juggler) grabbed my egg to show me a move and dropped it. This was just before I was set to go on a TV show. I ran from the hall to the hotel kitchen got a real egg and used it for the show. I travel with an egg carrier used by campers. :kermit: [/quote]

The reason why I developed and had made my "Perfect Egg" was because of a mishap my very first week of performances at the Magic Castle. After I placed the blown egg in the bag and told my drunk, female spectator to "feel" the egg (I never say "squeeze"). She promptly squeezed the egg hard and broke it to pieces. It was a good healthy laugh from me and the audience. However, immediately afterward, I started my quest for the perfect, fake egg. A few years later with sending the prototype back and forth overseas 6 times, I finally got exactly what I wanted that fits my Hobson Egg Bag. History.
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Oct 27, 2017 05:31AM)
Jeff: I used your new Gold Egg Bag and perfect egg last night for a show I did for 125 McDonald's owners and managers....during one of the sequences, the lady I had onstage assisting me said...in a loud voice..."Hey....that's a FAKE Egg!"..........Rolling my eyes and shaking my head back and forth...I said..."Even MORE fake news!!!" "Yep...it's from a fake chicken." Stupid dumb.....but it got a laugh!
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Oct 27, 2017 06:14AM)
When I get a response like that I usually say that it’s not a chicken egg, it’s a duck egg. (I use blown eggs.). I was thinking about changing the line to ‘it’s not a hen’s egg, it’s a rooster egg’.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Oct 27, 2017 08:53AM)
Years ago (now you know you're going to hear an OLD line!)

The response was: "Yes, it was laid by a Plymouth Rock!" (Plymouth Rock, was a breed of chicken, and, small town kids knew that, and would laugh.)

For the past ten years, I've been saying, "Yes, it was laid by a Decoy Duck!" (The "K" sound is inherently funny...)

I like Jack's line: "Rooster egg"!

For a quick adlib, (topical lines will always get a chuckle) but Rainbowguy's, got a LAUGH!
Message: Posted by: Rook (Oct 28, 2017 12:35AM)
At one of my recent shows, the child 'doing the magic' dropped the Hobson egg I was using. It landed hard and bounced with a resounding, plastic thud.

"And that's why I shop at the craft store rather than the grocery store."

Picking it up and replacing it back in the bag, I commented offhand, "One day, it will hatch a rubber chicken."
Message: Posted by: Rainboguy (Oct 28, 2017 05:04AM)
As my dear friend and mentor Dick Oslund knows WELL.........the secret to comedy is TIMING!

Make your audience LAUGH.....and they will like you!
Message: Posted by: CJRichard (Nov 6, 2017 05:08PM)
Today I got my Hobson bag in the new "eggplant" color. It is a thing of beauty. All of Jeff Hobson's selling points about this bag are true. I like that the outside and inside are clearly different. I like the width and the rounded corners. I like the slight stiffness of the heavy silk that holds the bag's shape without a bulge. It is an improvement on the floppy black Malini style bags.

I know it's about the performance and not the props, but a really good prop is very nice to work with.
Message: Posted by: wally (Mar 21, 2018 10:02AM)
Just bought 2 eggs from a guy in scotland, He said they are J , Hobsons eggs, just got them today, they are large, and its says made in china on top, theres a small hole on top as well ????????
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Apr 7, 2018 08:59PM)
Blown eggs have a hole, too. Just sand off the "Made In China" part.