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Topic: Feedback on my Triad Coin Set?
Message: Posted by: tejavoo (Oct 4, 2017 11:47AM)
Any feedback on my Triad coin set?

https://youtu.be/HBgrC43qEMk
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Oct 4, 2017 02:57PM)
Looks great to me ! Good job.
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Oct 4, 2017 03:40PM)
Welcome to the Café BTW ! Not many post a performance 2 posts in !! ;-)
Message: Posted by: tonsofquestions (Oct 4, 2017 05:23PM)
The set looks in fine working condition. :P

The routine looks pretty nice, too. The blow is a bit loud, but that's probably just because of the microphone and the music.
Overall I'd say well done, but try to work on pushing the coin (as it appears) more to the tips of the fingers, rather than pulling the fingers back. For some reason this looks to me like you have something in your hand that you're revealing, rather than it appearing somewhere that it wasn't, before.

I'm not sure if that made complete sense, but it is a subtle change.

Thanks for sharing!
Message: Posted by: A Show By Joe (Oct 4, 2017 08:09PM)
Very nice. I am on the fence about buying these coins. How do you like the feel of them? They seem reasonably priced.
Message: Posted by: tejavoo (Oct 5, 2017 10:13AM)
Thanks for the feedback folks :)

Thank you Tonsofquestions for specific feedback on coin production
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Oct 12, 2017 02:56AM)
Looks great! Good job. I like that pose you do at the end.
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Oct 28, 2017 11:09PM)
Looks really good. Why the music? Are you going to play music when you really perform this? If not it would be better to post with no music so we could tell if there were any sound issues. I have to be very careful to avoid noise when doing Triad.

I think you could slow down when showing the backs of coins. It's a nice feature of the routine that should be taken advantage of.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Oct 29, 2017 06:56AM)
I’ve never played with a set, so I don’t know. Do you have to keep your fingers stiff when doing the take away? It would look more normal to me if your fingers were slightly bent.
Message: Posted by: RickDangerous (Nov 3, 2017 02:48PM)
Slow down
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 4, 2017 11:32PM)
The routein looked very good tejavoo.
Message: Posted by: tejavoo (Nov 18, 2017 10:50AM)
[quote]On Oct 28, 2017, MeetMagicMike wrote:
Looks really good. Why the music? Are you going to play music when you really perform this? If not it would be better to post with no music so we could tell if there were any sound issues. I have to be very careful to avoid noise when doing Triad.

I think you could slow down when showing the backs of coins. It's a nice feature of the routine that should be taken advantage of. [/quote]


Hey MagicMike,

I agree with you in that sound is sometimes a small problem. I will attempt to re-post my video without background music for feedback. Also, in regards to slowing down, I wanted to do this very quickly to grab someone's attention. For me, it is really hard to grab someones full attention for more than 30s-1min.
Message: Posted by: tejavoo (Nov 18, 2017 10:51AM)
[quote]On Oct 29, 2017, jakeg wrote:
I’ve never played with a set, so I don’t know. Do you have to keep your fingers stiff when doing the take away? It would look more normal to me if your fingers were slightly bent. [/quote]

Thanks for the feedback on my fingers!! will loosen them up on my next attempt.
Message: Posted by: Neznarf (Dec 2, 2017 10:43AM)
Looks GREAT.

I do triad coins all the time.

Always with me.

Being a Comedy Magician, I do it with funny patter.

I really don't like wearing twist flex band watches but I do just for this trick.

I think this is "A" Material
Message: Posted by: tejavoo (Feb 28, 2018 02:38PM)
[quote]On Dec 2, 2017, Neznarf wrote:
Looks GREAT.

I do triad coins all the time.

Always with me.

Being a Comedy Magician, I do it with funny patter.

I really don't like wearing twist flex band watches but I do just for this trick.

I think this is "A" Material [/quote]

I do the watch vanish with a soft leather strap, which works well for me :-)
Message: Posted by: Mobius303 (Mar 5, 2018 09:01PM)
Triad is like a 3t or 3cm without the m part.
It is fun to work with and if you are on the fence about a 3t then try this one out to see what the possible effects are with this style of gimmick.

Not everyone likes it and that is ok. Some really amazing magic can be done with it.
Message: Posted by: warren (Mar 10, 2018 07:00AM)
I picked this up mainly because I'm interested in purchasing a Triple Threat from Todd Lassen however this set has put me off, it's very noisy, as a single coin it doesn't look very good you definitely need to keep the coin moving, due to the small size it's quite fiddly and I found the gimmick to be unreliable when it come to releasing both the s***l and i****t sometimes the two would drop then other times just the i****t would drop. most disappointing so I think I'll hold off on the Triple Threat.
Message: Posted by: Teddy Meagher (Mar 12, 2018 12:46AM)
I don't have either triad coins or triple threat, however I am able to accomplish essentially the same routine with hopping halves by roy kueppers. It comes with an expanded English penny shell, a regular English penny shell and an English penny insert. However sometimes I use a copper/silver coin instead of the English penny insert.
Message: Posted by: Stephon Johnson (Mar 12, 2018 10:59AM)
LOVE the routine. Simple, clean, direct. No juggling.
Do NOT love the Gaff set. Obviously a better made gaff for Josh. I certainly could not do a coin roll nested.

I tried using Triple TUC. Close, but did not like having to start with nest Heads/Heads. And handling is awkward.
However, you can do a great version using a set of “Transient Coins” Roy Kueppers (Triple Split). Plus you can do it smoother and silently than the Triad coin gaff!
You never worry of any unseating a coin accidentally handling, rolling or flipping the nested coins.

Even the “optional” finale where you vanish last coin and it reappears on the spectators palm can be done, because the single split coin is so perfectly seamed and thinness matches a single coin (at least with Eisenhower version, I do not have Kennedy version).
Anyway, I thought others would like knowing a gaff that would match the quality of the routine!
Blessings,
Steph
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Mar 12, 2018 11:23AM)
[quote]On Mar 10, 2018, warren wrote:
I picked this up mainly because I'm interested in purchasing a Triple Threat from Todd Lassen however this set has put me off, it's very noisy, as a single coin it doesn't look very good you definitely need to keep the coin moving, due to the small size it's quite fiddly and I found the gimmick to be unreliable when it come to releasing both the s***l and i****t sometimes the two would drop then other times just the i****t would drop. most disappointing so I think I'll hold off on the Triple Threat. [/quote]

That's like saying you bought a Chevrolet but it put you off on purchasing a Rolls Royce. Sure, they're both cars, and both are perfectly fine in their ability to take you places, but one has more features and is in a totally different class - assembly line quality vs handmade craftsmanship. A Triple Threat still may not be your cup of tea, but you really can't make a decision about one based on your experience with the other.
Message: Posted by: Stephon Johnson (Mar 12, 2018 11:36AM)
[quote]On Mar 12, 2018, inigmntoya wrote:
[quote]On Mar 10, 2018, warren wrote:
I picked this up mainly because I'm interested in purchasing a Triple Threat from Todd Lassen however this set has put me off, it's very noisy, as a single coin it doesn't look very good you definitely need to keep the coin moving, due to the small size it's quite fiddly and I found the gimmick to be unreliable when it come to releasing both the s***l and i****t sometimes the two would drop then other times just the i****t would drop. most disappointing so I think I'll hold off on the Triple Threat. [/quote]

That's like saying you bought a Chevrolet but it put you off on purchasing a Rolls Royce. Sure, they're both cars, and both are perfectly fine in their ability to take you places, but one has more features and is in a totally different class - assembly line quality vs handmade craftsmanship. A Triple Threat still may not be your cup of tea, but you really can't make a decision about one based on your experience with the other. [/quote]

Warren: he’s right on Triad Coins vs. Lassen TT. But I stick with my opinion that a set of Transient Coin eliminates being “fiddly” or noisy, PLUS it just looks more magical using coins that HELP YOU to do the effect! At a decent price.
Steph
Message: Posted by: warren (Mar 12, 2018 04:01PM)
[quote]On Mar 12, 2018, Stephon Johnson wrote:
[quote]On Mar 12, 2018, inigmntoya wrote:
[quote]On Mar 10, 2018, warren wrote:
I picked this up mainly because I'm interested in purchasing a Triple Threat from Todd Lassen however this set has put me off, it's very noisy, as a single coin it doesn't look very good you definitely need to keep the coin moving, due to the small size it's quite fiddly and I found the gimmick to be unreliable when it come to releasing both the s***l and i****t sometimes the two would drop then other times just the i****t would drop. most disappointing so I think I'll hold off on the Triple Threat. [/quote]

That's like saying you bought a Chevrolet but it put you off on purchasing a Rolls Royce. Sure, they're both cars, and both are perfectly fine in their ability to take you places, but one has more features and is in a totally different class - assembly line quality vs handmade craftsmanship. A Triple Threat still may not be your cup of tea, but you really can't make a decision about one based on your experience with the other. [/quote]

Warren: he’s right on Triad Coins vs. Lassen TT. But I stick with my opinion that a set of Transient Coin eliminates being “fiddly” or noisy, PLUS it just looks more magical using coins that HELP YOU to do the effect! At a decent price.
Steph [/quote]

Perhaps I could have worded it better, I saw an effect performed at an At The Table lecture and the magician said that whilst he uses a TT the effect it could also be done with Triad set which is much cheaper and uses the same principle minus the magnetic function.

As I'm interested in the effect I thought I would pick up Triad just to get a feel for the routine not to compare with Todd's work which I already know is excellent as I've managed to purchase a couple of items off him now.

Having said that when I got the Triad set it was just horrible, when the coin is as a single unit it looks rubbish and when performing a coin roll with it you can hear it rattling about.

It wasn't reliable when it come to un-nesting etc it was just really bad in every way.

Obviously I'm not saying Todd's workmanship is bad far from it but if Triad works in much the same manner it makes me wonder if a more expensive gimmick would still have the same issues.

When you mention the Transient Coin triple coin I have JJ's Coin Coalition which is great but not suited to the routine I'm interested in adding.

Once again just to be clear I'm saying the workmanship for the Triad set that I purchased was dreadful I'm not saying anything about Todd's work :)
Message: Posted by: Ray Haining (Mar 12, 2018 07:04PM)
[quote] On Mar 10, 2018, warren wrote:
... however this set [Triad] has put me off, it's very noisy ... [/quote]

What do you mean by "very noisy"?
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Mar 13, 2018 12:12AM)
[quote]On Mar 12, 2018, warren wrote:
Having said that when I got the Triad set it was just horrible, when the coin is as a single unit it looks rubbish and when performing a coin roll with it you can hear it rattling about.

It wasn't reliable when it come to un-nesting etc it was just really bad in every way.

Obviously I'm not saying Todd's workmanship is bad far from it but if Triad works in much the same manner it makes me wonder if a more expensive gimmick would still have the same issues.
[/quote]
I have three triple threats from Todd (one copper set and two Morgan sets), and there is no rattle, no noise, the inserts unseat reliably and silently, the tolerances of all three of my sets are scary perfect, and the coins look real whether nested or not. You could easily do a coin roll with a Triple Threat, and a lot of people do, but I’m not sure I would without switching out because as I said, the tolerances are scary perfect and a drop might result in a shipment back to Todd. If that is a dealbreaker, go elsewhere, but don’t compare a Triple Threat with the Triad. I’ve seen the Triad up close with Joshua and the only advantage it has is price. If someone can perform with a Triad, well then ... great! They have saved some money and as tejavoo found out, the routine looks awesome to a spectator. By the way - nice video, tejavoo. However, your complaints about the Triad do not apply to any of the Triple Threats I own.
Message: Posted by: warren (Mar 13, 2018 03:09AM)
[quote]On Mar 13, 2018, BanzaiMagic wrote:
[quote]On Mar 12, 2018, warren wrote:
Having said that when I got the Triad set it was just horrible, when the coin is as a single unit it looks rubbish and when performing a coin roll with it you can hear it rattling about.

It wasn't reliable when it come to un-nesting etc it was just really bad in every way.

Obviously I'm not saying Todd's workmanship is bad far from it but if Triad works in much the same manner it makes me wonder if a more expensive gimmick would still have the same issues.
[/quote]
I have three triple threats from Todd (one copper set and two Morgan sets), and there is no rattle, no noise, the inserts unseat reliably and silently, the tolerances of all three of my sets are scary perfect, and the coins look real whether nested or not. You could easily do a coin roll with a Triple Threat, and a lot of people do, but I’m not sure I would without switching out because as I said, the tolerances are scary perfect and a drop might result in a shipment back to Todd. If that is a dealbreaker, go elsewhere, but don’t compare a Triple Threat with the Triad. I’ve seen the Triad up close with Joshua and the only advantage it has is price. If someone can perform with a Triad, well then ... great! They have saved some money and as tejavoo found out, the routine looks awesome to a spectator. By the way - nice video, tejavoo. However, your complaints about the Triad do not apply to any of the Triple Threats I own. [/quote]

Thanks for your input.....If I were to send you a PM with my email would you be willing to send me some pictures of your Triple Threat ?
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Mar 14, 2018 01:26PM)
Andy Martin on his wonderful site has some pictures of the Triple Threat:

https://www.martinsmagic.com/allmagic/money/lassen-triple-threat-by-todd-lassen/

Warren,
pm me with your email address and I will send something to you.

Alan
Message: Posted by: warren (Mar 14, 2018 01:38PM)
Thanks Alan much appreciated :)
Message: Posted by: tejavoo (May 2, 2018 09:12AM)
Noise and thickness can be an issue at times with triad coins, but when done swiftly with a little bit of background noise, its essentially a non-issue. I really love the way this set unnests compared to triple TUC. This is by far my favorite coin trick to perform.
Message: Posted by: tejavoo (May 26, 2018 12:33PM)
I need some help with pulling this off.

I am trying to pick up 3 coins from a box , make them vanish one at a time, and have them re-appear in the same box I took them from in the beginning.

How can I do that?

Any ideas on what kind of box I would need ?
Message: Posted by: Matthew Crabtree (May 26, 2018 05:29PM)
[quote]On May 26, 2018, tejavoo wrote:
I need some help with pulling this off.

I am trying to pick up 3 coins from a box , make them vanish one at a time, and have them re-appear in the same box I took them from in the beginning.

How can I do that?

Any ideas on what kind of box I would need ? [/quote]

Does it have to be a box? Could it be a coin purse? You could do it with a box but you would have to build it yourself.
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (May 27, 2018 12:50AM)
[quote]On May 26, 2018, Matthew Crabtree wrote:
[quote]On May 26, 2018, tejavoo wrote:
I need some help with pulling this off.

I am trying to pick up 3 coins from a box , make them vanish one at a time, and have them re-appear in the same box I took them from in the beginning.

How can I do that?

Any ideas on what kind of box I would need ? [/quote]

You could use a normal Okito box here - David Roth has some excellent routines in his Expert Coin Technique Book/videos.

I guess using the gaffed Triad coins, you’d start with the regular coins in the box, switch them out with the Triad Coins and load into Okito Box at the same time (ala David Roth) - do you vanish sequence and dump coins out to conclude. A nice sequence as the coins could then be examined by the spec at the beginning and end of the routine.
Message: Posted by: tejavoo (May 29, 2018 11:01AM)
[quote]On May 26, 2018, Matthew Crabtree wrote:
[quote]On May 26, 2018, tejavoo wrote:
I need some help with pulling this off.

I am trying to pick up 3 coins from a box , make them vanish one at a time, and have them re-appear in the same box I took them from in the beginning.

How can I do that?

Any ideas on what kind of box I would need ? [/quote]

Does it have to be a box? Could it be a coin purse? You could do it with a box but you would have to build it yourself. [/quote]


I generally like the "mystery/suspense" associated with a regular box. A coin purse or okito box is also fine, but it just doesn't fit my personality. I would likely use the box in a more formal setting.

Ideally, I'd rather use a regular appearing coin envelope (take coins out, make them disappear, and show they have come back to the envelope...).
Message: Posted by: tejavoo (May 29, 2018 11:09AM)
[quote]On May 26, 2018, Matthew Crabtree wrote:
[quote]On May 26, 2018, tejavoo wrote:
I need some help with pulling this off.

I am trying to pick up 3 coins from a box , make them vanish one at a time, and have them re-appear in the same box I took them from in the beginning.

How can I do that?

Any ideas on what kind of box I would need ? [/quote]

Does it have to be a box? Could it be a coin purse? You could do it with a box but you would have to build it yourself. [/quote]


I doesn't have to be a box, but a box seems to fit my personality.

If it were a box, I was thinking something along the lines of this product (link below), but on a much smaller scale. Not sure if something like that already exists?

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S17655
Message: Posted by: Mike Criphone (Jun 8, 2018 04:38PM)
Great job! I have a problem at times smoothly nesting them and the end vanish is tricky for me to look natural, but I rarely practice, just impromptu stuff for friends. Your routine is smooth!