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Topic: Silk to Cane
Message: Posted by: latentimage (Apr 16, 2004 03:10PM)
I have been working with canes in my act for a while now, but recently I have been trying to do a silk to cane, and it isn't working too well. The particular one I am going for is spinning the silk around that turns into the cane (like Dimmare). I have tried countless things, including weighting the end of the silk, but I just cant get the release right. I must just be holding it wrong or something becuase it just doesn't look right. Any advice would be appriciated. Thanks
Message: Posted by: KSMagic2007 (Apr 16, 2004 03:52PM)
Video tape your self! It may look fine to the audience, but you might be catching a bad angle or something. Good luck.
Kyle
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Apr 16, 2004 09:10PM)
You might also need to try a different weight of silk.

I make Dale Salwak's for the cane to silk and then reappearance of the cane. It is a very thin silk and a special size. A heavier silk would allow it to open more slowly. Just a thought.

Neil Foster used to to this method also.
Message: Posted by: latentimage (Apr 16, 2004 09:24PM)
The cane silk I am using right now is very light, as I am using a Fantasio cane. It is also in the shape of a cane, which I don't like as much, but its the best I could find at our local magic shop, and I have been looking all over the internet for an actual cane silk but have been unable to find one. Does anyone have any advice on any special way of holding the cane? or where to find a real cane silk? If anyone has ever seen Dimmare do this, you know how slick and clean it is.
Message: Posted by: KSMagic2007 (Apr 16, 2004 09:57PM)
If you want a silk that looks like Dimmare's buy a white silk, and with a permanent marker, color all but the one corner.
Kyle
P.S. I am sure they sell these silks, but I haven't seen one. This is just and idea.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 17, 2004 12:02AM)
Rice Silk King Studio's sells these white tipped silks.

http://www.silkkingmagic.com/cat2.htm

They come in 18" size and sells for $20.
Message: Posted by: latentimage (Apr 17, 2004 12:23AM)
Something tells me that my Fantasio cane won't work with this silk. Can anyone recommend a good appearing cane that might work with a silk this large? I have been using Fantasio exclusivley, so I don't know much about other canes.
Message: Posted by: BBM123 (Apr 17, 2004 01:49AM)
On the Fantasio Appearing Cane, for how long does it keep it's snap? Would you recommend a plastic or metal cane?
Thanks,
Loren
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 17, 2004 02:02AM)
Any of the metal appearing canes will work with the Rice silk. You are correct, as you did not state you used Fantasio. Fantasio only can use a 12" silk, I never tried the diamond cut silks with the Fantasio cane. They may work just fine.

Again, I must point you to Rice's for the routines for metal canes.
http://www.silkkingmagic.com/cat3.htm
Message: Posted by: latentimage (Apr 17, 2004 03:40AM)
Should I go with a Walsh cane? I have heard that lots of people use them, and I have always thought about upgrading the canes I have to metal ones. I know they (Walsh) make appearing canes but do they make vanishing ones as well? I will definatly go with a metal cane so I can get the cane silk and use it.

Loren, I really wouldn't recommend a Fantasio Cane. They don't seem to keep their snap for very long at all. I have been trying to practice with mine a lot recently, and it is just getting beat. I always store it open and everything, but it just not very high quality for extended use. I'm beginning to think of them kind of like a "disposible" cane.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 17, 2004 03:58AM)
Walsh was a brand name no longer available. The book has routines and ideas on magic you can do with all metal canes.

Now all metal canes are imports from Germany, India, and Japan. Tannen's Magic had some high quality canes but their web site is now down, think they are going out of business.

The appearing metal canes are easy to learn but the metal vanishing are more difficult and has been known to cut your hand if not properly executed. Therefore, I use the vanishing cane in newspaper as discribed in the book. I have seen the vanishing cane performed for a visual vanish, but I have never used this method in shows.
Message: Posted by: latentimage (Apr 17, 2004 04:15AM)
Have you ever done the spinning silk to cane? If you have, do you have any advice on getting it to work correctly? There must be something that I'm not understanding in the way you hold the silk and the cane before you let it go. When I used to do this effect in my show, I would just produce a regular silk and turn it into the cane...but now that I am spinning the silk, it makes it an entirely different story.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 17, 2004 04:29AM)
I don't know if I can help because the effect is done in a number of ways. Some let the cane out gradually and others really work at the spinning and let it fly. Hold the end between the little finger and 3rd finger. Do not stop after letting go, keep spinning for several revolutions with the cane fully extended.

It will not work with a Fantasio Cane as well. Remember it is plastic and therefore it will fly out of shape. A metal cane will hold it shape.
Message: Posted by: latentimage (Apr 17, 2004 04:36AM)
Yeah I think I will have to get the metal cane before I can really do the effect well. I am definitely going for just letting the cane fly, but my issue is I'm spinning the cane and its like the silk is getting sucked up into my hand as the cane is shooting out the other direction from my hand. But in order to spin the silk it can't have a direct shot back into the cane. I'm very confused :)
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 17, 2004 04:49AM)
First of all the silk is tied to the cane by a corner of the silk. 2nd, it does not work with a plastic cane. Third, that is exactly what happens, except if you use a metal cane it is much faster, and you will not see it happen.

Hold the cane in the right hand with the silk showing. Make a circluar motion with your arm and spin the silk. Let go of the cane and hold onto the ferrule as you are spinning. Stop and show the cane.
Message: Posted by: latentimage (Apr 17, 2004 05:02AM)
Thanks, I understand it better now. I will get the cane and try it. You have been a very big help :)
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Apr 18, 2004 10:25AM)
I would recommend either getting a Walsh cane or a Japanese cane. To date, these are the best quality avaialable.

If you can't find one, write me and I might find a spare that I could sell.
Message: Posted by: KSMagic2007 (Apr 18, 2004 12:20PM)
Are you using a metal cane? That would probably work better.
Kyle
Message: Posted by: GavinK (Apr 21, 2004 07:45PM)
Metal's good but it can cut you worse than a papercut. Be careful your first few times practicing.

In my performance I would display the silk then almost instantly toss the silk as it transforms into the cane.
Message: Posted by: KSMagic2007 (Apr 22, 2004 09:54AM)
If the metal canes are done right, they do not cut.
Kyle
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Apr 29, 2004 05:23PM)
I did the spinning silk to cane for years, then produced a dove on the cane with an invisible harness.
Instead of using the Rice cane silk, I would tie a 1/2 of a diagonally cut white silk and tie it to the end of a 18" black silk (attached to the metal cane). Then I start spinning my wrist in a clockwise direction, slowly releasing the cane. Gravity takes care of the rest, but the illusion is perfect. It looks like 2 silks tied together and spun have become a cane.
In my opinion, tying the silks, instead of using the cane silk, adds a little to the illusion. Just a thought.
Lou
Message: Posted by: latentimage (May 2, 2004 06:08PM)
Do you hold the cane in the standard position for the tip to shoot forward out of your hand? The thing that keeps messing me up is that when the silk gets sucked back into the cane, it has to go back into my hand and then back down into the cane. I cant really think of any better way to explain it that that...Maybe it will be easier with a metal cane?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 2, 2004 06:28PM)
Are you spinning with arm movement? It sounds like you are spinning from the wrist and not the arm. It is a very large movement.

It has been 3 weeks now and you have not gotten the metal cane yet!
Message: Posted by: latentimage (May 2, 2004 06:33PM)
Still looking for one that I can afford...the guy at my local magic shop has been trying to get one for me, but he has them on back order. I found one or two on ebay, but since I have never gotten one before, I'm really not sure what I'm looking for.

I am spinning from the arm, but I just know I'm somehow holding it wrong..that's got to be it.
Message: Posted by: John Cass (May 2, 2004 09:26PM)
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On 2004-04-17 04:58, wmhegbli wrote:
Walsh was a brand name no longer available. The book has routines and ideas on magic you can do with all metal canes.

Now all metal canes are imports from Germany, India, and Japan. Tannen's Magic had some high quality canes but their web site is now down, think they are going out of business.

The appearing metal canes are easy to learn but the metal vanishing are more difficult and has been known to cut your hand if not properly executed. Therefore, I use the vanishing cane in newspaper as discribed in the book. I have seen the vanishing cane performed for a visual vanish, but I have never used this method in shows.
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Tannens' web site is up now. They do have the metal appearing canes for ONLY $95.00
Message: Posted by: bry1513 (May 3, 2004 04:43PM)
Try here......

http://www.elmagicshop.com/

They have black metal appearing canes for $56.00 and state that they will match any price......

Take care, Bry
Message: Posted by: wally (Feb 21, 2005 02:57PM)
Who sells the best quality silk to cane in metal
Message: Posted by: TommyTheTremendous (Feb 22, 2005 10:29AM)
I also perform the silk to cane in multiple ways, including the spinning silk to cane. I use a 36" silk and my cane is metal. I do have a plastic cane as well, but I only use that for practice at home since it is easier to reset than the metal one. Metal is way better.
Message: Posted by: knmagic (Feb 22, 2005 10:52PM)
TommyTheTremendous,
How do you control the cane to appear slowly? Or you just let it goes and continue to spin the wand for a little bit more?

I got it. 24" silk does the trick.