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Topic: Silent Assistant by Sansminds Creative lab
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 27, 2017 02:40PM)
Https://www.sansminds.com/product/silent-assistant/

Just saw this on SM's website. I am surprised that they actually show you the gimmick in the trailer. Love the idea, but it's a bit expensive.
Message: Posted by: Rob_magician (Dec 27, 2017 02:48PM)
I was also very surprised maybe it will be good? (Not holding my breathe though)
Message: Posted by: Merlin (Dec 27, 2017 02:48PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, Magic KL wrote:
Https://www.sansminds.com/product/silent-assistant/

Just saw this on SM's website. I am surprised that they actually show you the gimmick in the trailer. Love the idea, but it's a bit expensive. [/quote]

Looks like a great tool. I don't think it is that expensive if it does what it says.

I could be wrong, but I don't think some of those effects they show are possible with just the gimmick.

Phil
Message: Posted by: GAMJoker (Dec 27, 2017 02:49PM)
Well, sadly it's the same like with thumbtips. If it fits, you are lucky - If you have different sized fingers or just a different skin color, you're screwed :P
Sadly I have like the most brightest skin color you could imagine. So even there are different colors of thumbtips, you can always see them on from a mile away. This product doesn't even have different options, so I'm pretty sure this will be nothing for me eiter ;)
For me there are better ways to achieve the same effect :P
Message: Posted by: otreboR (Dec 27, 2017 03:21PM)
This is something I have been waiting for.
After Prohibition (Charlie Justice) came out I had one problem. I don't like wearing a ring.
I created a skin colored magnet ring I could easily put on and off. I used this (check link) kind of material with a magnet on it.
This is working fine for me for a long time, but this looks much better.

Link: https://dutch.alibaba.com/product-detail/plastic-double-wire-twist-tie-clip-band-tin-tie-60212849453.html

I assume you can easily bend this gimmick to make it a perfect fit for your finger.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Dec 27, 2017 03:52PM)
I've been waiting for someone to produce this exact gimmick for a long time. I hope the magnet is AS STRONG as a PK ring.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 27, 2017 03:57PM)
It reminds me of Tarantula. Maybe it was inspired by it.
Message: Posted by: dj (Dec 27, 2017 04:57PM)
This gimmick can be bought for years by Hakan Varol.So nothing new.
I think Hakan Varol sells this gimmick for 8 Ä.
I have this gimmick from Hakan Varol.
The gimmick is very useful for "The Gift" by Angelo Carbone.


Darko
Message: Posted by: MikeLiu (Dec 27, 2017 05:10PM)
What is it called ?
Message: Posted by: dj (Dec 27, 2017 05:36PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, MikeLiu wrote:
What is it called ? [/quote]


You get this gimmick with the routine "Mental 5" by Hakan Varol.
Hakan also sells this little gimmick separately.
You do not have to buy the complete "Mental 5" routine, but you can only buy the gimmick separately.
What is it called?
I don't know.
Contact the Hakan Varol:
hakanvarol@aol.com

"Mental 5":
http://www.hakan-varol.de/shop-deutsch/requisiten/mental-5.php


Darko
Message: Posted by: Rizzo (Dec 27, 2017 07:18PM)
At least the video shows you exactly what the item is.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 27, 2017 07:52PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, otreboR wrote:

This is something I have been waiting for.

I assume you can easily bend this gimmick to make it a perfect fit for your finger. [/quote]

After watching the demo video, I don't think you can bend the gimmick as the shape of the gimmick depends on shape of the magnet. However you might be able to trim the length of the gimmick so as to fit the length on your finger.

I feel that the retail price of $49 is a bit steep.

English translation of Mental 5 by Hakan Varol - http://www.hakan-varol.de/shop-english/requisiten/mental-5-maeuse---totenkoepfe.php

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: MikeLiu (Dec 27, 2017 08:16PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, dj wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, MikeLiu wrote:
What is it called ? [/quote]


You get this gimmick with the routine "Mental 5" by Hakan Varol.
Hakan also sells this little gimmick separately.
You do not have to buy the complete "Mental 5" routine, but you can only buy the gimmick separately.
What is it called?
I don't know.
Contact the Hakan Varol:
hakanvarol@aol.com

"Mental 5":
http://www.hakan-varol.de/shop-deutsch/requisiten/mental-5.php


Darko [/quote]




Thank you sir !
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 27, 2017 09:00PM)
One might like to checkout - Sanada Gimmick Routines by Toyosane Sanada. It comes with a DVD and requisite props. Unlike the others, this Sanada gimmick is made from special soft and flexible material.

A demo vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuvwAr1d3FI

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Dec 27, 2017 09:15PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, Ustaad wrote:
One might like to checkout - Sanada Gimmick Routines by Toyosane Sanada. It comes with a DVD and requisite props. Unlike the others, this Sanada gimmick is made from special soft and flexible material.

A demo vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuvwAr1d3FI

:xmas: [/quote]

I was thinking of this myself as I sometimes use it this way.

This Sansmind product is smaller and may be more convenient, but I doubt the putting it in place and ditching will be as easy as the Sanada.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Dec 27, 2017 10:43PM)
I think the Sanada gimmick, for this paricular purpose, will not afford the freedom of movement and the natural flexibility of the hand as much as the Silent Assistant would. I did order the SIlent Assitant today. THis is jsut my initial thought, but will determine the advantages of teh Silent Assitant after I receive it.

Michael
Message: Posted by: tophatter (Dec 27, 2017 10:49PM)
Remember Enigma from Nickolas knight I have to go look for it kinda the same finger gimmick .
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Dec 27, 2017 11:49PM)
Http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=608538&forum=218&start=0
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Dec 28, 2017 12:07AM)
I own event horizon but the gimmick fits on your hand differently.

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: bloodkin (Dec 28, 2017 08:41AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, tophatter wrote:
Remember Enigma from Nickolas knight I have to go look for it kinda the same finger gimmick . [/quote]

Ha! Yes! I just mentioned this the other day in regards to the new "Control" effect. I have gotten thousands of miles out of my Enigma.

On this particular device, I like how the say they've solved the noise issue, but I wonder about the quality.
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Dec 28, 2017 11:16AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, MaxfieldsMagic wrote:
Http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=608538&forum=218&start=0 [/quote]
You can't flash EH as you can do with Silent Assistant. And secondly, there is still sound issue with EH which is only partially solved by the provided material, which SA has apparently solved. You should read this thread carefully.
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Dec 28, 2017 12:33PM)
But itís worth mentioning because (a) there are a boatload of routines and handling tips that come with EH, not to mention a FB users group with additional ideas, and Iím guessing that much of that would be useful with SA as well, and (b) folks considering SA might appreciate being aware of EH as well, as Iím sure they both have their pros and cons. Iím guessing that EH is stronger, for instance.
Message: Posted by: trickyat86 (Dec 28, 2017 01:42PM)
Will be interesting to see the reviews as they come in.
Message: Posted by: MikeLiu (Dec 28, 2017 04:15PM)
It's good idea, I made a similar one before, different size, but work the same way , if this is half price, I might get it :D ~
Message: Posted by: Raymond Singson (Dec 28, 2017 10:18PM)
[EDIT: Late to the party. Observed that this was very similar to Darryl Vanamburg/PHís MoveMint from a few years back. Looks like Darrylís also released Control through Murphyís. Apparently, everyoneís rehashing and updating the same idea at the same time. Peculiar.]
Message: Posted by: tarruntula (Dec 29, 2017 03:33AM)
[quote]On Dec 28, 2017, MikeLiu wrote:
It's good idea, I made a similar one before, different size, but work the same way , if this is half price, I might get it :D ~ [/quote]

The EH is $10 cheaper than this. I have had mine for a couple of years, and as others have attested, it is handmade and very good quality!

https://www.handcraftedmiracles.com/product-page/event-horizon
Message: Posted by: thomasP (Dec 29, 2017 03:56AM)
The difference might be in the power of the m****t, otherwise not interessed.
Message: Posted by: Logan (Dec 29, 2017 08:43AM)
Http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S14119

Pk Blista came out awhile back and it's basically the same thing though not as well disguised for the casual flash that you can do with the Silent Asistant.

I've seen Darryl's Control trailer and there is no 'bare hands display' that you can do with Silent Assistant too. In fact, as awesome as Greg's performances are, it does look like he's finger palming something most of the time.

So I guess that's the real big plus of Silent Assistant, which is that you're able to flash fairly freely that there is nothing in the hands.

Not sure if that makes it worth the steep price point though...
Message: Posted by: Asaka (Dec 29, 2017 09:53AM)
Skin colour will be a concern
and we need to hold it like tarantula or it can be stuck to the finger by tape?
Message: Posted by: MikeLiu (Dec 29, 2017 12:08PM)
I don't think tape it will be a good idea, a least for ditching, and there is no need to keep palming it unless you have a special need :snowman:
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 29, 2017 02:13PM)
I would like to know the power of the M****t as well before I get this. It does look really good to go with my Just a cup.
Message: Posted by: mistifyed (Dec 29, 2017 06:13PM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2017, Logan wrote:
Http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S14119

Pk Blista came out awhile back and it's basically the same thing though not as well disguised for the casual flash that you can do with the Silent Asistant.

I've seen Darryl's Control trailer and there is no 'bare hands display' that you can do with Silent Assistant too. In fact, as awesome as Greg's performances are, it does look like he's finger palming something most of the time.

So I guess that's the real big plus of Silent Assistant, which is that you're able to flash fairly freely that there is nothing in the hands.

Not sure if that makes it worth the steep price point though... [/quote]



Logan you do not have finger palm this at all. It stays secure no sticky tape required. It becomes part of you and easy to use. You can start clean and end clean fyi. Please see the Control thread for the real Story. No confusion meant on my part.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=656232&forum=218

Darryl Vanamburg
Message: Posted by: ABREWCADABREW (Dec 29, 2017 08:28PM)
[quote]On Dec 28, 2017, dj wrote:
This gimmick can be bought for years by Hakan Varol.So nothing new.
I think Hakan Varol sells this gimmick for 8 Ä.
I have this gimmick from Hakan Varol.
The gimmick is very useful for "The Gift" by Angelo Carbone.


Darko [/quote]

I just ordered two from Hakan. Super nice bloke, highly recommend supporting him.
Message: Posted by: magic in mind (Dec 29, 2017 08:32PM)
I have E H to didn't sansminds know about it been out a while.In fact the last post about EH in the above linked thread was by Dan in a response to me
Message: Posted by: Logan (Dec 29, 2017 10:42PM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2017, mistifyed wrote:

Logan you do not have finger palm this at all. It stays secure no sticky tape required. It becomes part of you and easy to use. You can start clean and end clean fyi. Please see the Control thread for the real Story. No confusion meant on my part.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=656232&forum=218

Darryl Vanamburg [/quote]

Thanks Darryl, I'll look into it! :carrot:
Message: Posted by: danfreed (Jan 8, 2018 10:24AM)
When I heard about this I was super mad - at myself. I created this exact same thing (from what I can tell - I don't have the Silent Assistant) at least 2 years ago and was slowly going through the motions of releasing it. So the moral of the story is, if you have an idea you might want to release, don't doddle, someone will beat you to it. I can tell you, at least with the one I made, it works great and is very useful for all kinds of stuff that would ordinarily be done with a PK ring and similar items.
Message: Posted by: byronmaddox (Jan 8, 2018 10:28AM)
Regarding Silent Assistant. Didn't find it to be totally silent, but quieter than a PK ring. Highly overpriced for what it is. Can't figure out what their justification is. Paid $66.70 with shipping. Get real folks! Can save on shipping if you buy it from Magic Warehouse. Probably could make one from a rubber thumb tip & magnet. Found it would not stay on my finger unless slightly closing hand or pinching ring finger & baby finger together. Could not pick up a Morgan without gimmick falling off finger. Not nearly as strong as the Ash Ember mate Kinetic Ring. Solved the sticking to my finger problem by applying some "Scotch Spray Mount" to the inside edges (not the bottom or outside). Just used tape to mask off the areas I did not want coated. Now works like a dream and can dump it off easily.
Message: Posted by: rustic (Jan 9, 2018 12:15AM)
[quote]On Jan 8, 2018, byronmaddox wrote:
Regarding Silent Assistant. Didn't find it to be totally silent, but quieter than a PK ring. Highly overpriced for what it is. Can't figure out what their justification is. Paid $66.70 with shipping. Get real folks! Can save on shipping if you buy it from Magic Warehouse. Probably could make one from a rubber thumb tip & magnet. Found it would not stay on my finger unless slightly closing hand or pinching ring finger & baby finger together. Could not pick up a Morgan without gimmick falling off finger. Not nearly as strong as the Ash Ember mate Kinetic Ring. Solved the sticking to my finger problem by applying some "Scotch Spray Mount" to the inside edges (not the bottom or outside). Just used tape to mask off the areas I did not want coated. Now works like a dream and can dump it off easily. [/quote]


I found this On Control v Silent assistant thread
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There have been more questions asked on comparisons between Control and Silent Assistant.

Instead of answering all the questions one at a time, I visited with Darryl this past weekend and asked him if we could film him performing some quick visuals with control for you all and he Agreed.
This is more of bonus for you along with some Strong Clear Clarification for you all.

I must say Seeing Darryl do this infront of me was so clean and visual with absolutely No clunk are thud sounds. I might add, Darryl performed some of these effects for me one on one in a perfectly silent room as well. was Perfectly Silent.

Someone mentioned that Silent Assistant has an obvious loud thud sound and other issues. With Darryls Mod that he has allowed me to share with the magic community-->There is absolutely No clunk or thud sounds.

Here Is the Unlisted Youtube Link of the Cool Looking Visuals.
https://youtu.be/5lG8hpckMfY

The Camera does not do it justice in my honest opinion. But you Really can do Everything that "silent assistant" allows and SO much more.


Darryl Has agreed to provide the mod details and an Image... but he explained that he cannot provide detailed photos of the mod applied to the gimmick due to Exposure reasons.


Mod details: (Note - this Bonus stuff is not included on the instructional, But is very simple to do)

-Flesh/Skin colored felt from fabric store or walmart etc.
-Double sided Carpet tape for bond strength(apply to a 2" X 2" square flesh colored felt)
-Then Cut Felt to Size in Image below-->then apply flesh colored felt strip to bottom of control gimmick in centre bottom down middle end to end.
-Apply carpet tape to a steel shim disc that is aprox the size of a quarter and .003" thick--->Stick into your Coin Sh*LL((The shim Darryl Uses is called PRECISION BRAND STEEL SHIM IN GREEN BOX) .003 thickness available anywhere online(Google search Precision Brand Shim)

The Quick get ready and clean up of the main Control gimmick works exactly the same with the extra something in the control kit when Utilizing Darryls Mod.
Simply Follow the Steps above.

that's It...Your Gimmick is ready to perform vanishes, transformations, Changes etc Simply peel the flesh colored felt strip off When Wanting to perform PK Effects etc.



Thanks all

Mike

Click here to view attached image.
Message: Posted by: korttihai_82 (Jan 10, 2018 10:18AM)
Nicholas Knight Enigma anyone?!?!? Again same exact thing. Cutting one few cm shorter doesn't make it new...
I made my own +5years ago by cutting long TT short and putting M inside and been using it in my Chop cup for years...

Juha-Matti
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 19, 2018 05:37PM)
I love ma..ets but not so much PK rings and have made many versions of this type of thing with plasters / band aids . I knew exactly what I was getting with this and have no problems how much it costs if it does the job and silent assistant certainly does that . I think with a minor bit of customising for your own hand ( which is a great plus ) this is a very very good product . I rate it highly and will use it Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Jan 21, 2018 12:56PM)
Hi friends! Doug here.

Back in 2001 or so, I came up with this idea, albeit rather crude. I was able to turn one of my Morrissey Cups into a Chop Cup. I used medical tape to attach the Neo-M. Not invisible, but it's behind the cup most of the time anyway. Then I found out Charlie Justice came up with the EXACT same idea. However for a COMPLETELY different purpose. "Prohibition" was born. Axel Hecklau came out with "Cola Cap" with some really neat ideas. Then I discovered PK rings. I do NOT wear jewelry of any kind. But the IDEAS were there.

I've researched "Enigma", "Control" and "Event Horizon". Now we have the "Silent Assistant". I went ahead and bought Axel Hecklau's "Just A Cup". What I like about Axel's is, you can "park" the thing, and immediately show your HAND empty! No fumbling and ditching. Just in the act of setting the cup down, you're clean! And the POWER of Axel's system! That was the deal MAKER. Plus, a BUILT-IN routine! I'm an old guy. I really do not have the desire to write and script my own routines. I did that when I was performing.

Silent Assistant would not work for "Just A Cup", due to placement issues. The POWER is one I would question as well. The sheer SIZE of Axel's tells you the POWER this thing has! You cannot fit that kind of power under a "finger sleeve" or anything else. But his gimmick fits like a glove after trimming. Now, obviously one cannot do the things you see the others do above. But...we all use the proper tools for the work. I use a Raven. I Use a neo and medical tape. And I have Axel's JAC. I cannot justify any of these offerings. However, after researching, YMMV! :)

Doug
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 21, 2018 06:44PM)
I 2nd what you say doug
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Jan 22, 2018 06:43AM)
Thank you MR Effecto! See, The Raven solves the problem of IMMEDIATELY being able to show your hand UNMISTAKABLY empty after the vanish. I can show my hand front and back, wave it over the coin...BAM! Instantly CLEAN! Down side? Sleeves. BUT! That can be remedied! A short sleeve, button-down shirt is ideal for The Raven. That said, I DO like the innovation shown here among these devices! Event Horizon is intriguing. It shares the same problem Control has.

See, with Axel's gimmick in place, I can handle the Cup (upside down, Loaded) with MY FINGERTIPS! Nothing falls out! Just a slight movement releases it. Ya don't have to wrap your HAND around the cup with a deathgrip! LOL! ;) Again, PLACEMENT! And power! But that is using it as a Chop feature. The vanishes and changes...I dunno. That dirty hand...Right there, I fire the Raven...GONE! No amount of "creative ditching" beats that.

All that said, if it weren't so DAY-um PRICEY...these might be good for back-up or an additional alternative. I'd love to compare the POWER of all these...

Doug
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 22, 2018 07:47AM)
The chop cup idea done this way is years old I have been doing that with polystyrene cups etc for years with a tiny magnet rolled up in a £50 or any note . The steal out is brilliant at the end as you hand them the cup the note comes out and is completely palmed to the magnet stuck to your wedding finger with a band aid / plaster or PK ( if you prefer I donít ) and you hand them the cup and ditch or switch the note in your pocket itís beautiful . As for the Raven how are you getting into play as easy as silent assistant a pk or the band aid / plaster idea ? Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Jan 22, 2018 02:56PM)
Dougini, using SA as you would do with the Raven is the worst thing to do. The advantage of SA over the Raven is retrieval. In other words, SA is not for a trick effet such as Raven, but it's much more suited for a routine where you have a sequence of vanishes and reappearances.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 22, 2018 04:35PM)
[quote]On Jan 22, 2018, mh1001 wrote:
Dougini, using SA as you would do with the Raven is the worst thing to do. The advantage of SA over the Raven is retrieval. In other words, SA is not for a trick effet such as Raven, but it's much more suited for a routine where you have a sequence of vanishes and reappearances. [/quote]

Exactly I agree the retrieval is paramount here Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Jan 24, 2018 09:29AM)
[quote]On Jan 22, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
As for the Raven how are you getting into play as easy as Silent Assistant, a pk, or the band aid idea?
[/quote]

Now that is an issue. I have one jacket rigged, so that The Raven is "at the ready". The loop is just in reach. Then, when it's "on", it's "unlocked". Ready to fire. That way, I can start any time. The SA, in contrast, is ALWAYS on, ALWAYS ready. I think SA would be PERFECT for "Prohibition" or similar. As I understand it, a r**l was developed for the Event Horizon. All these are great innovations.

The temptation is to buy all of 'em! LOL! Dave and Shaun were not impressed. Myself, I am happy with what I have. Honestly, I have not used The Raven in years. I ...eh...gained weight. That jacket no longer fits...sigh!

Doug
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 24, 2018 09:55AM)
Hi Doug I have the original Raven is there an improved one on a reel or something ? Anyway itís horses for courses when it comes down to it , we all tend to use what we feel more comfortable using in performance I suppose . Very best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Jan 24, 2018 11:35AM)
I just received my Silent Assistant and I really like it. Pretty close to invisible and easy to retrieve and ditch. Plenty strong enough for Prohibition (Bottle cap in bottle trick).

I've gotten over the "hey I could have made this myself" idea. I'm happy to let someone else do the trial and error.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 24, 2018 12:16PM)
I agree 100% with your quote Mike , very well summed up indeed Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Jan 24, 2018 05:17PM)
[youtube]RNjgfFkeE3A[/youtube]

Title: Silent Assistant
Publisher: SansMinds
MSRP: $ 50
Skill Level: all
Video Run time: 1 hour 5 minutes

Everyone dreams of having a stealthy ninja do their dirty work. Quiet and effective. Well, SansMinds has been busy working on a device behind the scenes, and is excited to announce that... NOW YOU CAN!

Introducing the Silent Assistant! A devious device that achieves all the effects of a PK ring, with the added benefit of being visually deceptive to the human eye. Not only does it stay hidden in plain sight, this device cuts noise and eliminates rings during live performances. The Silent Assistant tackles two crucial factors of traditional magnetic rings, opening up a new world of possibilities! Vanishes, transformations, and more will be within your easy grasp! Watch the trailer and see the amazing effects this will help you achieve!

What you get with the Silent Assistant:
1 complete set of the Silent Assistant system
Over 1 hour of online instruction, including 5 routines and 9 applications
A device hidden in plain sight. Perfect for all working environments.

Video review: ​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNjgfFkeE3A
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Jan 24, 2018 05:21PM)
Tarik, Dougini talks about a reel that Dannicus made for his Event Horizon. I remember that too, at the end of the EH's tutorial, he shows us one of his tools that he uses for ditching EH. Though this reel is not for sale. It's just one that he personally uses in his shows. If you really want one, I'm sure you can ask him to make one for you.
Message: Posted by: Brian Tanner (Jan 24, 2018 05:40PM)
[quote]

Silent Assistant would not work for "Just A Cup", due to placement issues. The POWER is one I would question as well. The sheer SIZE of Axel's tells you the POWER this thing has! You cannot fit that kind of power under a "finger sleeve" or anything else.

Doug [/quote]

Doug, I must respectfully disagree with your statement, I use S.A. for just a cup, and have no problems whatsoever. In fact, that's why I bought Silent Assistant. Axle's JAC gimmick is very strong, but I much prefer using S.A. in lieu of it, or a P.K. ring.

by the way.....isn't JAC awesome? I love it!
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Jan 25, 2018 12:52AM)
There is no way I would use SA with Just A Cup, it doesnít hold in place on my finger and itís not as strong.

Control is better suited for that :)
Message: Posted by: Brian H (Jan 25, 2018 02:52AM)
I also use SA for item-through-cup type of routines and it works just fine. SA may not be as strong as any other device, but I simply put a stronger gimmick with casual items like a crumbled bill and it simply works for me. You need to carry extra gimmicks to do the effect anyway, so why not carrying a stronger one with SA?
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Jan 25, 2018 07:13AM)
[quote]On Jan 24, 2018, Brian Tanner wrote:
Doug, I must respectfully disagree with your statement, I use S.A. for just a cup, and have no problems whatsoever. In fact, that's why I bought Silent Assistant. Axle's JAC gimmick is very strong, but I much prefer using S.A. in lieu of it...
[/quote]

Wow. Really? OK. I guess this IS a powerful tool. I know a PK ring does not work. I've tried it. I have also tried my system. My system (after having your ring finger all taped up, then scissor-trimmed on the non-palm side) works for a neo wrapped in a dollar bill in a coffee cup. It also works well using a GLASS tumbler like in the demo. But JAC, it fails.

So Silent Assistant must have something we have not seen before. Again, it's been years since I have researched what is out there, as far as this principle is concerned. I mean, you can HURT yourself with an M5! In my parts box, I used to have a whole section of stuff for PK. But now, there are neo-neos! You pinch a finger between those...ha! Tech has come far, kids! We be in a NEW era!

Silent Assistant is a winner. Again, I cannot justify another fifty bucks when I just spent a HUNDRED and fifty for Axel's. But remember, you get a whole ROUTINE with Just A Cup, and performance rights! It's a kicked up Chop Cup (but it's NOT) and die. Silent Assistant has a whole RANGE of uses, plus, my Raven is NOT completely silent. Workers, this may be the best fifty dollar investment to come along in a while!

Silent Assistant is more like what I was trying to do back in 2001. We did not have the type of ******s we have today. I guess I'm gonna get a sample pack from my old friend. He is always on top of the new stuff. I'm interested in different shapes. Round, square, rectangular. My research extends into other hobbies besides Magic. One idea I have is to animate Matchbox-type cars in a display diorama. But, I digress.

In the demo, I see moves I would not do for various reasons. I know too many hand-grabbers. Probibition/Cola Cap would be PERFECT! Quarter Thru Glass Window is another. The advantage The Raven has, is, once the coin vanishes/changes, you can IMMEDIATELY show you are clean. The SA cannot do that. But think about it, Raven users! Why not use BOTH? :)

Doug
Message: Posted by: magicthoughts (Jan 25, 2018 11:11AM)
It seems interesting - doubtful it is something I would carry on me often to make it worth buying
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Jan 26, 2018 08:01AM)
Silent Assistant VS Control

[youtube]_VXkG2gqpJQ[/youtube]

link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VXkG2gqpJQ
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Jan 26, 2018 10:37AM)
I have to disagree with David's review. SA is not like Raven. The former has one big advantage : retrieval. I explained that in my earlier comment. Thanks to that, you can perform an entire coin routine using SA, making coin transpositions/vanishes/reappearances that are impossible otherwise with the Raven. And the Raven is a single effect trick which could, though, be used at any time during your routine. You can't build an entire routine around the Raven, but you can with SA. So, to answer the question "what can SA do that Raven can't ?" : A lot.
Message: Posted by: Kaan (Jan 27, 2018 05:01AM)
Hi everyone,

here is my review / comparison of Control and Silent Assistant.

Hope it helps :)



[Youtube]GkN3LFXSCnQ[/youtube]


Best,
Kaan
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Jan 29, 2018 03:46PM)
The SA is not "like a raven" - it is "like" a PK ring. However .... the first half of the SA video - the "tricks" Herman teaches are all things I could accomplish just as easily with a raven. Can you do more tricks with an SA then a Raven? Sure. Would I "build an entire routine" around EITHER?

no
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Jan 30, 2018 05:09AM)
Yes, the tutorial doesn't show everything you can do with SA, you can do way more. By routine, what I had in mind is something like what Dannicus did with his Event Horizon, as shown in his trailer.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Feb 1, 2018 09:59AM)
[quote]On Jan 25, 2018, Dougini wrote:
[quote]On Jan 24, 2018, Brian Tanner wrote:
Doug, I must respectfully disagree with your statement, I use S.A. for just a cup, and have no problems whatsoever. In fact, that's why I bought Silent Assistant. Axle's JAC gimmick is very strong, but I much prefer using S.A. in lieu of it...
[/quote]

Wow. Really? OK. I guess this IS a powerful tool. I know a PK ring does not work. I've tried it. I have also tried my system. My system (after having your ring finger all taped up, then scissor-trimmed on the non-palm side) works for a neo wrapped in a dollar bill in a coffee cup. It also works well using a GLASS tumbler like in the demo. But JAC, it fails.

So Silent Assistant must have something we have not seen before. Again, it's been years since I have researched what is out there, as far as this principle is concerned. I mean, you can HURT yourself with an M5! In my parts box, I used to have a whole section of stuff for PK. But now, there are neo-neos! You pinch a finger between those...ha! Tech has come far, kids! We be in a NEW era!

Silent Assistant is a winner. Again, I cannot justify another fifty bucks when I just spent a HUNDRED and fifty for Axel's. But remember, you get a whole ROUTINE with Just A Cup, and performance rights! It's a kicked up Chop Cup (but it's NOT) and die. Silent Assistant has a whole RANGE of uses, plus, my Raven is NOT completely silent. Workers, this may be the best fifty dollar investment to come along in a while!

Silent Assistant is more like what I was trying to do back in 2001. We did not have the type of ******s we have today. I guess I'm gonna get a sample pack from my old friend. He is always on top of the new stuff. I'm interested in different shapes. Round, square, rectangular. My research extends into other hobbies besides Magic. One idea I have is to animate Matchbox-type cars in a display diorama. But, I digress.

In the demo, I see moves I would not do for various reasons. I know too many hand-grabbers. Probibition/Cola Cap would be PERFECT! Quarter Thru Glass Window is another. The advantage The Raven has, is, once the coin vanishes/changes, you can IMMEDIATELY show you are clean. The SA cannot do that. But think about it, Raven users! Why not use BOTH? :)

Doug [/quote]

I picked up the S.A. and I am impressed on how well it works. Looks great as well. I mostly bought it for my cap in a bottle. I don't like wearing my P.K. ring all the time. Works great for that. I also put it on to try with my just a cup and it picked up the die and worked very well. The only thing was it did not stay in my hand very well. I will need to add some kind of sticky stuff to it. All work with it more for my just a cup and see. As far as hidden in my hand. Looks very good for flashing. I also have a little trick to do to it to make it blend in a little better on your finger.
Message: Posted by: byronmaddox (Feb 13, 2018 07:30PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, GAMJoker wrote:
Well, sadly it's the same like with thumbtips. If it fits, you are lucky - If you have different sized fingers or just a different skin color, you're screwed :P
Sadly I have like the most brightest skin color you could imagine. So even there are different colors of thumbtips, you can always see them on from a mile away. This product doesn't even have different options, so I'm pretty sure this will be nothing for me eiter ;)
For me there are better ways to achieve the same effect :P [/quote]

Jam Joker,
My mentor was Al Cohen back in the 50's. He as you know is retired and lives in Boca Rotan. 90+ years old. When I was about 12 years old, it did about a 10 minute routine with a thumb tip. When done, he showed it to me. It was "Red". Don't worry about skin tone. I will say the magnet is not real strong. It will pick up a fifty cent piece. Size was an issue with me. It would not stay on my finger. A little Scotch Reposionable Spray Mount will solve the problem. It is quiet! Hope this helps
Message: Posted by: byronmaddox (Feb 13, 2018 07:31PM)
Jam Joker,
My mentor was Al Cohen back in the 50's. He as you know is retired and lives in Boca Rotan. 90+ years old. When I was about 12 years old, it did about a 10 minute routine with a thumb tip. When done, he showed it to me. It was "Red". Don't worry about skin tone. I will say the magnet is not real strong. It will pick up a fifty cent piece. Size was an issue with me. It would not stay on my finger. A little Scotch Reposionable Spray Mount will solve the problem. It is quiet! Hope this helps
Message: Posted by: byronmaddox (Feb 13, 2018 07:35PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, Magic KL wrote:
It reminds me of Tarantula. Maybe it was inspired by it. [/quote]

It is not as strong as a PK ring, but it will pick up a fifty cent piece & it is quiet. Probably cost Sans Mind about $5.00 to produce. I paid $67.00. I like it, but highly overpriced. From Sans Mind, would not expect less. Got a Vapr Watch from them about six weeks ago. Doesn't work. Customer service is non existent!
Message: Posted by: byronmaddox (Feb 13, 2018 07:38PM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2017, Logan wrote:
Http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S14119

Pk Blista came out awhile back and it's basically the same thing though not as well disguised for the casual flash that you can do with the Silent Asistant.

I've seen Darryl's Control trailer and there is no 'bare hands display' that you can do with Silent Assistant too. In fact, as awesome as Greg's performances are, it does look like he's finger palming something most of the time.

So I guess that's the real big plus of Silent Assistant, which is that you're able to flash fairly freely that there is nothing in the hands.

Not sure if that makes it worth the steep price point though... [/quote]

Magnet not as strong as a PK ring. It will pick up a fifty cent piece and it is quiet, but highly overpriced!
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Feb 14, 2018 02:14AM)
Byronmaddox, I don't agree with your comparison with TT. That tool, depending on the way it's handled and/or its use, color doesn't always matter. But with SA, you would like to show your hands empty, flash them briefly. So, color matters. And if you want to spread your fingers too, you must also care about color, or people will see that it's red, black, blue, etc.
Message: Posted by: patapon (Mar 27, 2018 11:43AM)
Hi, I'm keen to buy the SA, but I would like to be sure that:
a) It is not too big for my fingers.
b) It is close to my skin color.

Would it be possible for someone to PM me:
1. The exact measurement of the gimmick, or how I can measure my finger to know if it fits and not too big (as that seems to be frequent feedback from reviews).
2. The approximate color of the gimmick, by reference to this skin color chart: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Felix_von_Luschan_Skin_Color_chart.svg

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: rmendez (Apr 1, 2018 10:47PM)
I just ordered this in hopes that it will work well with Spike as a PK ring or Sharpie replacement.
Message: Posted by: rmendez (Apr 5, 2018 08:26PM)
This works well for what I need it for. PM me if you are looking to dump any. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Apr 24, 2018 11:46AM)
Silent Assistant Ė Sansminds

Product description : You maybe know the PK Ring which is a strong tool for any magician or mentalist. There have always be a few problems with it, such as the sound it makes when it connects with a coin for example or the fact you have to wear it when youíre not typically wearing jewellery. Sansminds thought about it and produced Silent Assistant which is basically a half sanada gimmick with a magnet inside (Iím not spoiling, itís clearly shown in the trailer). So you can do vanishes, travel and many more things with it.

Price and where to buy it : This is sold at $49.99 and you can find it in nearly every Murphy's magic ę partner Ľ shop !

What you get : You get a little cardboard box, with inside 3 little magnets which you can load into almost anything. Theyíre round and flat, quite small. You also get the link in order to watch the explanation video, the first part is cool, they teach you how to use the gimmick and then they stop talking and show you ideas they had. And you can see that one idea, the transposition of 2 coins, one of which is on a wallet, canít be done in real life, they edited the video to make it look cool but donít expect to be able to do it, it looks so crappy in the tutorial. Apart from that, the other ideas are cool. You finally get the gimmick which is really well made and should blend into any white type skin. If your skin isnít matching the gimmick, you can use make up so it will fit your color. The gimmick is nice, I find the magnet to be not that strong so youíll have to be close to the magnetic objects youíre using. Overall, itís a bit overpriced for what it is but itís made well.

Teaser : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11xve0fI524

The pros and the cons : Here is the core of my review, let's begin with the cons, as I will usually be doing, I prefer to keep the good things for the end.

THE CONS :
ē Itís overpriced for what it is, it should have been sold for $10 less at least.
ē The magnet is not that strong, this more to steal magnetic object in your hand rather than doing telekinesis stuff.
ē You cannot adapt the gimmick to make it fit better and hold a bit better on your hand, it has a U shape and you canít bend it even slightly to make it fit more comfortably !

THE PROS :
ē I really like the way the gimmick look, itís really well made and when you close a bit your fingers, it will be 100% invisible.
ē The magnet is strong enough to take objects like magnetic shell or things like that so it all depends on what you want to do with it.
ē The sound is really low with it, maybe because of the material in which the gimmick is made, which feels like rubber and allows to minimize a lot the sound the object makes when connecting with the gimmick.
ē Itís small enough to be carried in your pocket and you donít have to have it on you at all time, just ďpalmĒ it when you need to. No fear of losing data when youíre approaching your credit card to the previous PK Ring.
ē If your need is to pick up a light object without making any sound, SA is perfect but if you need a really powerful magnet, you may have to check Control by Daryl Vanamburg.

Overall rating : Itís a really interesting and well-made gimmick, if you have a use for it, you will love it ! Iím still not sure whether I would use it but still, great tool, 3/4 hearts.

As for the difficulty level, it depends on what youíre planning to do, I would say 2/5 stars.

Similar products : Control by Daryl Vanamburg is similar, PK Blista too.

If you liked this review, make sure to check all my other ones on my website : http://lesavisdalexis.wixsite.com/reviews
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Jul 26, 2018 02:29AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, GAMJoker wrote:
Well, sadly it's the same like with thumbtips. If it fits, you are lucky - If you have different sized fingers or just a different skin color, you're screwed :P
Sadly I have like the most brightest skin color you could imagine. So even there are different colors of thumbtips, you can always see them on from a mile away. This product doesn't even have different options, so I'm pretty sure this will be nothing for me eiter ;)
For me there are better ways to achieve the same effect :P [/quote]

Actually you are not "screwed" by any means if the color does not match perfectly. If you use a TT correctly it can be bright orange and still never be seen, same goes for this gimmick as well as it is not meant to be seen as it lies underneath the hand. The only thing that having the color match your skin accomplishes is so you can briefly show your hands or flash the TT, or helps conceal accidental flashes.

But you never have to show them at all, and a lot of magicians tend to "over-show" it actually and draw needless attention to the TT. You can also repaint them easily to match your skin. I use an XXL which fits great, as many others I had were too small. A lot more room for loads as well. But this gimmick is even easier to hide as it is on the bottom of the finger.
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Jul 26, 2018 02:48AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, Ustaad wrote:
One might like to checkout - Sanada Gimmick Routines by Toyosane Sanada. It comes with a DVD and requisite props. Unlike the others, this Sanada gimmick is made from special soft and flexible material.

A demo vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuvwAr1d3FI

:xmas: [/quote]

Yeah I have this as well and it reminded me of it.
Message: Posted by: RussellJ (Jul 28, 2018 09:07AM)
I read with interest the comments on 'Silent Assistant'. I'm rather suprised that no-one has pointed out that this is very similar, if not identical, to Roger Curzon's Zurcon gimmick, first released by Roger through Magick Enterprises in 2005. The following year it appeared in Roger's book 'Sublimations' complete with illustrations and manufacturing instructions.

I'll try to upload the relevant pics from Roger's book (with his permission). I've not seen SansMinds' instructions so perhaps they have credited Roger. Although maybe they should have contacted him first?
Message: Posted by: RussellJ (Jul 28, 2018 09:09AM)
It seems I can only upload one image at a time. So here's the second one:
Message: Posted by: RussellJ (Jul 28, 2018 09:10AM)
And the third:
Message: Posted by: Spinnato (Aug 1, 2018 11:07AM)
As much as I like this utility, I would use the term "silent" loosely.
Message: Posted by: rmendez (Aug 5, 2018 05:10PM)
Very interesting history, Russell. This utility device hides in plain sight and is virtually invisible to the casual observer. I flash my palms openly during performance and use it to detect an enormous Spike hidden under a styrofoam cup. It never fails to notify me of precisely where the immediate danger is. For my purposes, this truly is a remarkably hidden and silent assistant.
Message: Posted by: FasciN8 (Nov 25, 2018 05:00AM)
Can either control or Silent assistant work in conjunction with a Tarantula 2? I am wondering if you could use one to hide a tarantula under and still use flash hands. I don't know if they would stack but just thinking, might have to use on separate fingers. But it would be cool if they did.
Message: Posted by: danieltirado (Dec 25, 2018 10:41PM)
This year I am buying all my tricks, and practicing hard, this is a nice little one!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Dec 27, 2018 01:00AM)
One of the few things I actually like from Sansminds. Silent it is not, however. But unlike 90% of their stuff it works in the real world and you don't have to assemble it!
Message: Posted by: nnight (Apr 20, 2019 03:59PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, tophatter wrote:
Remember Enigma from Nickolas knight I have to go look for it kinda the same finger gimmick . [/quote]
Yep. I brought up the fact that I invented this about 25 years ago but these guys didnít seem to care about honor and integrity.
And yes, I gave credit to Sanada for inspiration and had his blessings.
Too bad.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Apr 20, 2019 04:01PM)
Yep.