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Topic: DIGITAL FORCE BAG BY NICK EINHORN
Message: Posted by: gtx magic (Jan 9, 2018 03:55PM)
DIGITAL FORCE BAG (DFB) A brand new utility app available now.

Together with my good friend Craig Squires (Creator of top selling magic trick - iLogo) we have created an amazingly powerful, yet invisible app which allows you to force any one of 100 items listed in your Notes app.

Force a celebrity, shopping list item, colour, place, product, literally ANYTHING.

This app is fully customisable so you can create bespoke magic for your clients in minutes. You are truly limited only by your imagination.

I used Digital Force Bag very successfully at all of my events throughout December. As well as a great new close-up routine, I was also able to use DFB to quickly create bespoke feature moments in my cabarets for a variety of clients.

As you only need your phone, you will have a killer prediction to perform literally anywhere, anytime.

Check out these key features

● Easy to learn and remember (You'll be performing it in minutes)
● Fully customisable for your own routines and languages
● Your audience will never suspect you are using a magic app
● Fun for the amateur magician and an absolute essential for the professional
● Result can be quickly and easily changed for a different result every time
● No internet access required to perform

We are delighted to share this with the magic community.
What are you waiting for?...Click the App Store logo below.
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Jan 9, 2018 04:14PM)
[quote] What are you waiting for?...Click the App Store logo below. [/quote]

Don't think you included the App Store logo.
Message: Posted by: gtx magic (Jan 9, 2018 04:26PM)
[quote]On Jan 9, 2018, Magic KL wrote:
[quote] What are you waiting for?...Click the App Store logo below. [/quote]

Don't think you included the App Store logo. [/quote]

Magic KL. Just go to the APP store and type in the search... Digital Force Bag.

Graham
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Jan 9, 2018 04:31PM)
Link: Digital Force Bag by Craig Squires
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/digital-force-bag/id1318230573?mt=8
Message: Posted by: Colin (C.J.) (Jan 9, 2018 04:32PM)
Sounds great. What reassurances are there that this will be supported long term and not dropped if it stops working with the next general system update?
Message: Posted by: btwigg (Jan 9, 2018 04:38PM)
I know what I'm waiting for. A performance video
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Jan 9, 2018 05:02PM)
I'm curious but won't buy without seeing some sort of trailer / performance video etc.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 9, 2018 06:25PM)
Hi Guys
There are MANY applications and this is totally customisable so you can perform something in your own unique way. However here is a video of me performing a basic version of it. This was also one of the first times I had performed it for the public. Please note there is no internet or online access needed and you do not need to use their phone for the prediction. You can have a physical written prediction or even an item in a bag etc. Here is the youtube clip of me performing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtdKtXnnTio&feature=youtu.be
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 9, 2018 06:33PM)
[quote]On Jan 9, 2018, Colin (C.J.) wrote:
Sounds great. What reassurances are there that this will be supported long term and not dropped if it stops working with the next general system update? [/quote]

Our intention is to keep this working. If for no other reason than Craig and I created it for my own personal use and I now use it for professional gigs all the time. I would not want to be without it. Such a versatile app that makes customising my magic for my clients very easy. I do a lot of corporate work and this simply makes my job easier. So for purely selfish reasons alone I will continue to ensure it works for future system updates as long as it is financially viable to do so.

I hope that goes someway to reassuring you. No one knows what the future holds, or what conditions outside of our control may preclude us from doing, but as I said, we will do our level best to ensure it can continue to work in the future.
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Jan 9, 2018 06:57PM)
Thanks for the explanation Nick ! Within the app or elsewhere, is there a tutorial, list of effects etc ? Will there be a Facebook group / forum for the app at some point ?

Also, have you played around with other apps such as Cipher, Inject 2.0 ? What set's yours apart ?
Message: Posted by: Greg Rostami (Jan 9, 2018 07:27PM)
Hi Nick,

Perhaps you were not aware of this but this idea has been in Inject since August 2016.

It's one of the presets in Inject. It's called Stanford List:
https://youtu.be/Fq43uKmGeNU

The above list can be customized (perhaps not as easily as yours), and instead of just words, can contain images as well.
You can have as many items on the list ... the above effect is with 12 items but it can easily be 100 items.

Because the effect happens on the spectator's phone, unlike your product, this does need an internet connection.

I think you've created a wonderful utility for magicians that don't want the restriction of an internet connection that want to force something on the magician's phone.

I wish you all the best with your release,
Greg Rostami

P.S. Here's a more recent performance:
https://youtu.be/1-2Sv71s-kE?t=11m29s
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Jan 9, 2018 08:08PM)
I love options. There is a place and time for Cipher, for different effects of Inject also. I just downloaded your new app "Digital Force Bag" Nick and will dig into it tomorrow. Yet another option... LOVE IT.

BTW, Big fan of your contributions to the magic community Nick and I perform quite a few of your effects / routines.
Message: Posted by: SlipperySnake (Jan 9, 2018 10:05PM)
*** this looks nice, but a little pricy. Would pop for $15 immediately, but for $30+ I would like to hear more reviews and see some more performances to help make my decision.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jan 9, 2018 10:21PM)
[quote]On Jan 9, 2018, SlipperySnake wrote:
*** this looks nice, but a little pricy. Would pop for $15 immediately, but for $30+ I would like to hear more reviews and see some more performances to help make my decision. [/quote]

What exactly do you think you'll gain from seeing more performances? You've seen exactly what the app does in Nick's video posted earlier. They name a number, they open your notes app and the item at that number is your force item.

You can have up to 3 different forcing lists ready to go, you can customize the names of the lists and the items in the lists. What you do with the app is up to you and other purchasers in the Facebook group who care to share their ideas.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 9, 2018 10:38PM)
Itís good, but not 30 pounds good.
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Jan 9, 2018 10:47PM)
Nice app ! I won't debate the price. I paid it and I'm satisfied with what I am able to do with it. The method of swipes is logical... just swiping to get to your Notes app. So with 2 swipes, we get any number from 1 to 100 then have spec. open the Notes app, pick the 1 of 3 lists you want and done.

I like it !
Message: Posted by: warren (Jan 10, 2018 01:57AM)
I presume this is only for Iphone users so the question is are there any plans for an android version ?
Message: Posted by: yoyomagic (Jan 10, 2018 03:07AM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2018, warren wrote:
I presume this is only for Iphone users so the question is are there any plans for an android version ? [/quote]

Hi, myself and Nick are working on an Android App and it shouldn't be too long before the release, we will keep you updated.

Thanks

Craig
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Jan 10, 2018 03:28AM)
Yes, I too would be interested in an Android version. Looks good.

Neil
Message: Posted by: Rob.m (Jan 10, 2018 03:52AM)
[quote]On Jan 9, 2018, pegasus wrote:
Itís good, but not 30 pounds good. [/quote]


People pay over £30 for a deck of cards that are a 1 trick wonder - so I don't think that £30 for this is over the top.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 10, 2018 04:01AM)
Thanks Greg and congratulations on the success of Inject. I don't own it but was made aware of the Stanford List only on Monday, However, ours is a very different app. (And in fact is quite literally a Digital Force Bag, It was created by necessity for my own use after I stupidly left my clear force bag at home, arriving at my important gig without it and having to find a makeshift solution.) As you mention, DFB does not require internet, and the list is localized on the magician's phone and is clearly a list the MAGICIAN has made on his phone. As such it allows for customization of e.g. client product lists, Even members of the audiences names....This would be illogical on a 3rd parties on-line list.

For a demonstration of Psychology I see yours making absolute sense with a strong presentational hook. They are certainly going to appeal to different people for different reasons.
Continued success with your work.
Regards, Nick

[quote]On Jan 9, 2018, Greg Rostami wrote:
Hi Nick,

Perhaps you were not aware of this but this idea has been in Inject since August 2016.

It's one of the presets in Inject. It's called Stanford List:
https://youtu.be/Fq43uKmGeNU

The above list can be customized (perhaps not as easily as yours), and instead of just words, can contain images as well.
You can have as many items on the list ... the above effect is with 12 items but it can easily be 100 items.

Because the effect happens on the spectator's phone, unlike your product, this does need an internet connection.

I think you've created a wonderful utility for magicians that don't want the restriction of an internet connection that want to force something on the magician's phone.

I wish you all the best with your release,
Greg Rostami

P.S. Here's a more recent performance:
https://youtu.be/1-2Sv71s-kE?t=11m29s [/quote]
Message: Posted by: tomdeg (Jan 10, 2018 09:10AM)
Also would like to see an Android version!!
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 10, 2018 11:56AM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2018, tomdeg wrote:
Also would like to see an Android version!! [/quote]

It's coming very soon!
Message: Posted by: DynaMix (Jan 10, 2018 02:42PM)
This is a great, great app.

Well done gents. This will solve a lot of problems for many of us in walkaround.
Message: Posted by: Colin (C.J.) (Jan 10, 2018 03:23PM)
[quote]On Jan 9, 2018, einhorn wrote:
[quote]On Jan 9, 2018, Colin (C.J.) wrote:
Sounds great. What reassurances are there that this will be supported long term and not dropped if it stops working with the next general system update? [/quote]

Our intention is to keep this working. If for no other reason than Craig and I created it for my own personal use and I now use it for professional gigs all the time. I would not want to be without it. Such a versatile app that makes customising my magic for my clients very easy. I do a lot of corporate work and this simply makes my job easier. So for purely selfish reasons alone I will continue to ensure it works for future system updates as long as it is financially viable to do so.

I hope that goes someway to reassuring you. No one knows what the future holds, or what conditions outside of our control may preclude us from doing, but as I said, we will do our level best to ensure it can continue to work in the future. [/quote]
Thank you Nick. That's very reassuring. I loved the demo too so consider a sale made! A wonderful idea.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jan 10, 2018 05:23PM)
I'm in as soon as the Android version is released. Big fan, Nick.
Message: Posted by: Psy (Jan 10, 2018 05:36PM)
Nice video! I was wondering if there is a way in which this can be used for "Pre-S---"? Where the spectator selects a word from a list and you know which one it is so you can use that info later on.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 10, 2018 05:46PM)
Yes you can. I explain how on the closed fb group but essentially it is a great pre show tool too.
Message: Posted by: tomdeg (Jan 10, 2018 06:33PM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2018, Nathan Alexander wrote:
I'm in as soon as the Android version is released. Big fan, Nick. [/quote]

Ditto
Message: Posted by: JamieD (Jan 10, 2018 06:41PM)
Im a bit obsessed with iPhone apps and I think this one looks great! Loved the real world performance of it too! Great thing to use with 21st century phantom! Definitely picking it up for my collection! :D

Jamie Daws
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 11, 2018 01:34AM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2018, JamieD wrote:
Great thing to use with 21st century phantom! Definitely picking it up for my collection! :D

Jamie Daws [/quote]

Now THAT is a great idea! Never even though of that!
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Jan 11, 2018 02:23AM)
[quote]On Jan 11, 2018, einhorn wrote:
[quote]On Jan 10, 2018, JamieD wrote:
Great thing to use with 21st century phantom! Definitely picking it up for my collection! :D

Jamie Daws [/quote]

Now THAT is a great idea! Never even though of that! [/quote]

Hey Mr Eihorn.

Check your PM's please :)
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jan 11, 2018 06:50AM)
I like the App... the feature that you can customise it is really nice. While it is true that you can do with INJECT basically the same (and for pr...w I would prefer the later) it is very useful to have a weapon in your arsenal which you can use also offline! Jan
Message: Posted by: davidredfearn (Jan 11, 2018 07:24AM)
Congratulations to Craig and Nick on this I love it, perfectly disguised, easy to use with endless possibilities. The fact that it can be used offline makes it a no-brainer.

Your timing is perfect I have an opportunity to use this great tool very soon.

Thanks DR
Message: Posted by: iutennisman (Jan 11, 2018 09:00AM)
I'm a fan of strong app magic when the spectator clearly doesn't think you're using an app, whether it is on the magician's or spectator's phone. Wikitest, Inject, Photo Prediction, iForce all fit into this category. The DFB app fits into this category as well, and it's nice to have another option that doesn't require internet connection. We've all been to places where the internet is shoddy at best.

Nick and Craig have done a great job with the app. It works as advertised, and it is always on you, so you can do magic in a moment's notice. This is great for trade show or corporate gigs, because you can customize for products or services related to your client. This is always a nice touch.

The app is worth it. Definitely get it if you want to produce strong mentalism.
Message: Posted by: BrainMagos (Jan 11, 2018 04:35PM)
Absolutely love this app! Entirely customizable and makes a strong impression! I just wish the apps icons on the fake screens were more mainstream. Really weird app icon choices imo.
Message: Posted by: DrewBstoss (Jan 11, 2018 04:50PM)
[quote]On Jan 11, 2018, BrainMagos wrote:
I just wish the apps icons on the fake screens were more mainstream. Really weird app icon choices imo. [/quote]

So this doesn't allow users to upload a snapshot of their ACTUAL screens (as in PhotoPrediction, iForce, etc.)? That shouldn't be a difficult thing at all to implement.

Best,

Drew
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 11, 2018 05:15PM)
Hi Drew
Just to reassure you, you can customise this app to look almost identical to your home screen. Some clever design work is incorporated to make the working of the effect easier for you to perform. IMO what BrainMagos is referring to will never be seen by anyone for more than half a second and certainly not enough time for them to see anything odd. I have used this dozens (maybe hundreds) of times now and no one even suspects it is an app. They have no interest in the phone itself. Again, just my opinion, but our aim was to create an app that you can perform without thinking about method.
Message: Posted by: DrewBstoss (Jan 11, 2018 06:06PM)
Thanks for the clarification Nick! I think I understand what "design work" you're hinting at as it relates to ease of execution and concede that if the participants are burning the screen at that point in the routine you have bigger issues to overcome :)

Best,

Drew
Message: Posted by: Greg Rostami (Jan 11, 2018 06:49PM)
I think it's really cool that Nick uses a Google image search to reveal his force celebrity.

For those of you who are familiar with Inject, you can mix these apps for a two phase effect where you invite your spectator to freely select from someone on the list.

Hence, you would start with this:
https://youtu.be/ZtdKtXnnTio

And then you would have your spectator freely select a celeb on the list and do this (replace the paper in this video with DFB):
https://youtu.be/1-2Sv71s-kE?t=18m57s

The first effect is a prediction, while the second is mind reading.

cheers,
Greg
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 11, 2018 07:22PM)
Just downloaded this and in 10 minutes I'm ready to put this in my show. Nice effect. Simple and with so many options for creativity. Definitely worth the $31 I paid for it. How do I get into the FB group?
Message: Posted by: TheDirectionalist (Jan 11, 2018 07:28PM)
Definitely getting this. Great work!

P.S. I own inject as well and feel they are entirely different and are not competing apps. Both are great!
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 11, 2018 07:35PM)
I have both as well and Inject is terrific, too.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 12, 2018 01:45AM)
Hi Jaizon
Just scroll down tho the bottom of the instructions for the link. Some great routines and ideas are already on there. Enjoy and thanks for your purchase.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jan 12, 2018 04:03AM)
If you own it, have a look in the FB group - I published some ideas there how you could use DFB in conjunction with Brian Caswell's brilliant "Trilogy", further enhancing an already extremely strong effect... :) Jan
Message: Posted by: Jared (Jan 12, 2018 09:59AM)
I downloaded this last night after reading all the positive reviews and agree that this is a terrific utility device. I also liked the fairness of the handling procedure and doubt that spectator's would suspect that an app is in play. Of course, like all new effects I will need to road-test it first to see how it plays in the real-world before my review is conclusive. But based on my experience as a performer this appears to be quite excellent.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jan 12, 2018 11:03AM)
Nick - Can I pay you now and just get a notice when I can grab it? (Only half-kidding. The names that like this are enough to prompt my creative juices... what little are left anyway.) Are we thinking in the next month or so for android? Sorry if I'm redundant.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 12, 2018 12:16PM)
Hi Nathan
We will have more idea of likely Android version next week. Will keep you posted. So delighted that everyone is enjoying this app.
Message: Posted by: tenchu (Jan 13, 2018 02:27PM)
That's great! I will definitely buy the Android version!

Mike
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 13, 2018 02:30PM)
If this had come out two weeks ago it could have been the "2017 Trick of the Year". Really.,
Message: Posted by: charliethecard (Jan 13, 2018 02:53PM)
I bought this effect on Thursday. It is very clever and has endless possibilities and already on the closed Facebook page people are coming up with ingenious uses for it. Afrom it is very easy to use so the effort goes in to ideas and performance. I have no hesitation in giving this top marks.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 13, 2018 03:22PM)
[quote]On Jan 9, 2018, einhorn wrote:
Hi Guys
There are MANY applications and this is totally customisable so you can perform something in your own unique way. However here is a video of me performing a basic version of it. This was also one of the first times I had performed it for the public. Please note there is no internet or online access needed and you do not need to use their phone for the prediction. You can have a physical written prediction or even an item in a bag etc. Here is the youtube clip of me performing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtdKtXnnTio&feature=youtu.be [/quote]

No internet required but you searched on the specs phone for a prediction? :confused:
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 13, 2018 03:54PM)
Hi Pegasus, yes I did, BUT as I said, there are endless ways to perform this trick and I chose to use his Google Images as the source for a prediction but I could just as easily have written it down. My very point was that although I used Google to search for an image it is not a requisite for anyone to do that if they don't want to. There are other options. In fact one BRILLIANT suggestion in the closed FB group has caused a little sensation among users and I tried it 6 times today and BLEW PEOPLE AWAY with it.

Here are just a few quotes from some that have purchased it - and I could list dozens, but hopefully you will agree that all of these people can't be wrong!

ďA fantastically powerful, totally innocuous tool for an organic Ďoff the cuff performanceí. Close up, stand up, and stage, now thatís really rare. Love it love, love it!†ď - Rajan

The app is brilliant!!! Fantastic idea - it all feels very fair! Great stuff! Keelan Leysar

This is amazing, saw it last night and purchased straight away, completely practical and adaptable to any event you may have, buy it!! - Paul Martin

Just had a quick play with this and it's brilliant! This is going straight into my set! Thanks Nick. - Nick Crown

ďAnother incredible creation from the mind of one of the best working professionals in the UK today. This is simple, direct and utterly baffling, I bought it 3 seconds after seeing it performed. I suggest you do the same, if you donít start performing it immediately Iíll give you back your money myself!Ē Jamie Raven


ďLove this!! Great idea! Great trick!! Great app!! Will use with my No Brainer. Thanks for releasing it!ď - Lyndy Phillips

ďPerfectly disguised, easy to use with endless possibilities. The fact that it can be used offline makes it a no-brainer.Ē - †David Redfearn

"Itís brilliant!" Mike Bent
Message: Posted by: Lee Smith (Jan 13, 2018 05:41PM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2018, einhorn wrote:
Hi Pegasus, yes I did, BUT as I said, there are endless ways to perform this trick and I chose to use his Google Images as the source for a prediction but I could just as easily have written it down. My very point was that although I used Google to search for an image it is not a requisite for anyone to do that if they don't want to. There are other options. In fact one BRILLIANT suggestion in the closed FB group has caused a little sensation among users and I tried it 6 times today and BLEW PEOPLE AWAY with it.

Here are just a few quotes from some that have purchased it - and I could list dozens, but hopefully you will agree that all of these people can't be wrong!

ďA fantastically powerful, totally innocuous tool for an organic Ďoff the cuff performanceí. Close up, stand up, and stage, now thatís really rare. Love it love, love it!†ď - Rajan

The app is brilliant!!! Fantastic idea - it all feels very fair! Great stuff! Keelan Leysar

This is amazing, saw it last night and purchased straight away, completely practical and adaptable to any event you may have, buy it!! - Paul Martin

Just had a quick play with this and it's brilliant! This is going straight into my set! Thanks Nick. - Nick Crown

ďAnother incredible creation from the mind of one of the best working professionals in the UK today. This is simple, direct and utterly baffling, I bought it 3 seconds after seeing it performed. I suggest you do the same, if you donít start performing it immediately Iíll give you back your money myself!Ē Jamie Raven


ďLove this!! Great idea! Great trick!! Great app!! Will use with my No Brainer. Thanks for releasing it!ď - Lyndy Phillips

ďPerfectly disguised, easy to use with endless possibilities. The fact that it can be used offline makes it a no-brainer.Ē - †David Redfearn

"Itís brilliant!" Mike Bent [/quote]

Here is another for you Nick.

"Absolutely LOVE THIS - Super simple! Powerful and Direct! I Performed it with amazing reactions from day of purchase, It has gone Straight into my top three apps!(and I have most)

Great Job!"

Lee Smith
Message: Posted by: Lseeyou (Jan 13, 2018 06:00PM)
Is this possible to customize everything even the text of the icons to another language?

Does look good indeed!

Congratulations
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 13, 2018 06:28PM)
Hi Lseeyou
No you can not customise *everything* but can create a fully customisable, list in your own language for your specific individual requirement. Plus thereís are two fixed lists that come as standard so you can perform it Ďout of the box
Message: Posted by: baobow (Jan 14, 2018 01:43AM)
I hate to ask but is this on andriod by any chance?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 14, 2018 02:06AM)
[quote]On Jan 10, 2018, einhorn wrote:
[quote]On Jan 10, 2018, tomdeg wrote:
Also would like to see an Android version!! [/quote]

It's coming very soon! [/quote]
Message: Posted by: otreboR (Jan 14, 2018 05:16AM)
This app looks and sounds very nice Nick.
I do have a question about changing the force.

"Result can be quickly and easily changed for a different result every time"

Does it take seconds to change it. So you can change it while you walk to another group at a strolling gig?
This would be nice, because with my Svenpad I always have ONE outcome. I sometimes have followers at a gig or they talk to each other and then it's not nice if they found out they all thought of the same "celeb" for example.
Always Nice if you have different "clean" ways to force something.

Making the prediction on their phone is nice. You can also use the time for making the prediction to set up their calculator for the toxic force.
This way your next force is already done. :-)
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 14, 2018 06:45AM)
Hi otreboR Yes, it takes seconds and can be done between tables and I too use the time on their phone to secretly set the calc for TOXIC force so I can use their phone in my cabaret and apparently go straight to their calculator without entering any info at all. Very disarming as they forget you even touched their phone earlier and don't connect the dots.. As Steve Jobs said, 'you can't connect the dots going forward, you can only connect them going backwards!' (As they don't know you are doing something else with their phone later they will never suspect one thing had anything to to with another).
Message: Posted by: otreboR (Jan 14, 2018 07:33AM)
[quote]On Jan 14, 2018, einhorn wrote:
Hi otreboR Yes, it takes seconds and can be done between tables and I too use the time on their phone to secretly set the calc for TOXIC force so I can use their phone in my cabaret and apparently go straight to their calculator without entering any info at all. Very disarming as they forget you even touched their phone earlier and don't connect the dots.. As Steve Jobs said, 'you can't connect the dots going forward, you can only connect them going backwards!' (As they don't know you are doing something else with their phone later they will never suspect one thing had anything to to with another). [/quote]

Great and Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Colin (C.J.) (Jan 14, 2018 08:59AM)
It doesn't work on the iPhone4 :(
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 14, 2018 10:29AM)
[quote]On Jan 14, 2018, Colin (C.J.) wrote:
It doesn't work on the iPhone4 :( [/quote]

You're still using an iPhone 4? My guess is that the limits of your iOS will not allow for this. Might be time to upgrade.
Message: Posted by: Colin (C.J.) (Jan 14, 2018 10:30AM)
It's out of my budget to upgrade for now. Oh well.
Message: Posted by: Jared (Jan 14, 2018 10:44AM)
I road-tested the Digital Force Bag over the past 2-nights and it more than lived up to expectations...People were literally stunned! What was also encouraging is that nobody screamed app afterwards. I only performed the standard basic routine but my mind is already percolating with more interesting presentations. I'm very pleased with this purchase like many others.
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Jan 14, 2018 02:43PM)
Been playing with this all day... itís absolutely brilliant. Love the fact you can use it with no internet connection as well. This is a must buy
Message: Posted by: Colin (C.J.) (Jan 14, 2018 03:04PM)
I'd love to buy it but it doesn't work on the iPhone4.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 14, 2018 03:32PM)
Colin are you serious they are more or less giving iPhone 5s away lol Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jan 14, 2018 10:18PM)
The only thing I do not like about this is having to essentially exit and and go to the main menu before starting again. Yes it can be done but I wish there was a better way to get to the ďhome screenĒ without having to go into the apps menu....
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 15, 2018 04:16AM)
[quote]On Jan 14, 2018, Colin (C.J.) wrote:
It's out of my budget to upgrade for now. Oh well. [/quote]

My advice would be to stop buying magic for one month and buy yourself a second hand iPhone 5S.
Message: Posted by: Colin (C.J.) (Jan 15, 2018 11:38AM)
Good advice Pegasus however thatís difficult with Blackpool looming! I have an old android phone knocking about somewhere so I might be able to use it on that when itís released for the AOS. If I buy an iPhone 5 it will likely be obsolete within a couple of months anyway.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 15, 2018 12:12PM)
Iíd rather stick with an iPhone 4 than use an Android. Lol.
Message: Posted by: magic_tony (Jan 15, 2018 04:42PM)
Brand loyalty will get you nowhere. This app requires very little processing power. Apple's planned obsolescence is disgusting. But of course the fanboys love it!
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 15, 2018 05:18PM)
Colin I have 2 iPhone 5s knocking around .If you are that desperate I will send you one for free or bring to Blackpool and give you Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Lseeyou (Jan 15, 2018 05:35PM)
Tarik, my 5S glass came out... I will take the other :D
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 15, 2018 05:45PM)
No problems ring me on 07885357616 when you get to Blackpool . I have done over 20 years consecutive but this year ring me from the Friday 3pm onwards as arriving a bit late Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 16, 2018 06:58AM)
Tarik, do you have a spare iPhone X lying around unused? :bawl:
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 16, 2018 08:12AM)
No I have a 6 but it has a cracked screen and is not in as good condition as the 5 . My iPhone X is great though I highly recommend it Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 16, 2018 11:15AM)
I have one and love it.
Message: Posted by: ursmagicbalu (Jan 16, 2018 08:35PM)
Awaiting for Android
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Jan 16, 2018 08:39PM)
Some great routine ideas going on in the Facebook group... check out the Einstein effect. Brilliant !
Message: Posted by: scottyocean (Jan 17, 2018 08:13PM)
Here I go... I will try it. I own dozens of apps Ill never use, I hope this is not one.
Message: Posted by: tenchu (Jan 19, 2018 06:48AM)
I can't wait for the Android version!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Colin (C.J.) (Jan 19, 2018 11:44AM)
[quote]On Jan 16, 2018, MitchC wrote:
Some great routine ideas going on in the Facebook group... check out the Einstein effect. Brilliant ! [/quote]
How do you join the Facebook group?
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 19, 2018 12:09PM)
[/quote]
How do you join the Facebook group? [/quote]

Scroll to the bottom of the Instructions. :-) People are so creative and imaginative. Many have suggested routines that are ideal for parlour or large stage shows as well as perfect for close-up situations. Remember, DFB is a TOOL not a trick. Therefore there are many uses and like the TT can be used to fool people in many different ways.
Message: Posted by: Wisdom Hunter (Jan 21, 2018 06:59PM)
Ready for Android version. ETA?
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 22, 2018 01:10PM)
[quote]On Jan 21, 2018, Wisdom Hunter wrote:
Ready for Android version. ETA? [/quote]

We are working on it and can't give a time scale currently. When I have news I will let you know on this thread. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 22, 2018 01:33PM)
A magician without an iPhone is like a magician without a deck of cards.
Message: Posted by: Colin (C.J.) (Jan 22, 2018 03:09PM)
A magician with an iPhone 4 is like a magician with Piatniks.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 22, 2018 03:47PM)
I have a few of the best apps around to be honest but never use them much . Itís magicians guilt probably but I always feel when a phone is used technology is presumed . Other spectators canít even see whatís going on at the table and older people often screw it up as they either canít see or have to bugger about getting their glasses out etc to see what the person you chose who had glasses on can see . They sometimes screw it up by not even really understanding what Wikipedia etc etc is and if you ask them to put their age in an app they lie anyway . So these apps have their place but massive limitations imo Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: roblane (Jan 22, 2018 06:41PM)
[quote]On Jan 22, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
I have a few of the best apps around to be honest but never use them much . Itís magicians guilt probably but I always feel when a phone is used technology is presumed . Other spectators canít even see whatís going on at the table and older people often screw it up as they either canít see or have to bugger about getting their glasses out etc to see what the person you chose who had glasses on can see . They sometimes screw it up by not even really understanding what Wikipedia etc etc is and if you ask them to put their age in an app they lie anyway . So these apps have their place but massive limitations imo Tarik 🙂 [/quote]
I have to say I fully agree, and have several 'top apps' that I use rarely, but this this hasn't been remotely connected with an app, despite multiple performances with people who would normally notice. A brilliant utility.
Message: Posted by: Rocky (Jan 22, 2018 08:50PM)
Local magicians in my neck of the woods get these apps and have fun for a week or two before moving on to something else...not much different than any magic related effect we can purchase or download.
Message: Posted by: gabelson (Jan 23, 2018 02:09AM)
Tarik; Rocky, I'm guessing you don't own this effect. I agree with you as to many of these high-end apps. But as Roblane said, DFB is never remotely connected with an app, nor ANYTHING that is unique to your phone. That last statement is important.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 23, 2018 05:11AM)
Gabelson I appreciate this and I realise this could be ( and probably is ) much different and very very useful . I am just not a fan of any smart phone being introduced into any magic routine borrowed or otherwise . However I would and will for sure check this it out live at some point with one of my magic
pals . Best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jan 23, 2018 05:49AM)
I must admit that I very rarely use apps in a paid performance with the possible exception of Toxic + which I use either in conjunction with a standard add a number pad (added up by a spectator using their own phone) or in my other routine I use the subtlety that I cover in my lecture (and also in Devil in Disguise 2). I do use them extensively in casual performances.

However a lot comes down to simple spectator management. I wouldnít even like to try and count the number of times I have used either IUYM, Cypher or Toxic + to get someoneís birthday and so far I have never had a single person lie. Pass codes are a different matter, I have had people lie about their phone pass code and have a strategy to cover that in HC2.

Like with most techniques or gimmicks it comes down to how you structure and layer the routine and also how you justify the information they are providing it and the medium regardless of whether that medium in a pad, a billet, a calculator or a phone. If it makes complete and utter sense for them to use that medium they are far less likely to suspect it. If one minute you are having them write in your notepad and then the next minute you have them note it down into the notes app on your phone their spidery sense is going to start tingling .... unless you give a logical and credible justification for the switch to a different medium.

Technology can be very deceptive if used correctly and very transparent if used in a lazy way. For example if I use the toxic force the output of the calculator is often used as a starting point rather than an end point. Force a number and show that you predicted the number and they have nowhere to go other than you used technology to force the number. However if you force a number and then have them use that number as a starting point to get them to somewhere else, by the time they get to the destination all they remember is a series of free choices, many of which were made after the technology has been put away.

Technology is the modern day billet, much of the same criticisms that are now made against technology have been made against billets eg surely if they write it down and you reveal it people will suspect the technology (in theis case the billet .. you must have read).

Like with any tool, misused technology can be transparent, but used wisely it can be devastating.

Mark
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Jan 23, 2018 07:03AM)
Well said, Mark.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 23, 2018 11:42AM)
I agree Mark if used early for a force in a routine I am sure it will fly by but the justification for writing something down on a billet is more conclusive and justified
in my opinion because a) to show other spectators whatís written otherwise you ( the performer ) may hear the number , name , word etc
b) just in case you change your mind or you are the sort of person which I donít think for one second you are who would try to mess the effect up as unbelievably some spectators do

Itís largely probably as I said magicians guilt from me though as at a paid gig it just to me at least seems almost wrong to use an app or to introduce a smartphone that they have probably been staring at all day . I want to take them away from their phones for a bit in performance as otherwise everyone might start checking their texts and emails etc so I wouldnít want to encourage them more by using one . Best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Jared (Jan 23, 2018 12:23PM)
Electronics and apps are here to say and do offer some terrific options if they are used sparingly. However, extra care needs to be taken when structuring routines to avoid your audience making a direct connection (a link between the two).

As an example, I performed my Mind Buster at a show this past December. I explained to a woman that I wanted her to write her phone # on a napkin. So, I handed her a beverage napkin and pen and walked away. Then suddenly realizing (use your best acting skills here) that it will be difficult to write on the thin napkin without a table. I paused and told her to hang on a second while I walked back to may case to retrieve a clipboard. Of course, I was handing her the MB clipboard. But had I done the opposite by handing her the napkin pre-attached to the clipboard then it might have aroused more suspicion. The goal is to not put too much emphasis on the clipboard, app or whatever.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jan 23, 2018 01:04PM)
[quote]On Jan 23, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
I agree Mark if used early for a force in a routine I am sure it will fly by but the justification for writing something down on a billet is more conclusive and justified
in my opinion [/quote]
I would argue that this is only because we have had a lot more years to come up with justifications for billets and of course you are from my generation where writing things on paper seems far more natural. To the younger generations who largely interact with the world through a 5 inch screen the phone may actually seem more justified. In our day we would pass a note down the class to a friend, our kids simply send a text. Iím sure you and I could come up with some great justifications over a beer next week.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 23, 2018 02:06PM)
Yes Mark I agree , justifying the amount of beer we consume sometimes would probably be more difficult . I look forward to it 🙂
Message: Posted by: stookie31 (Jan 24, 2018 07:18AM)
Finally got this and boy oh boy its great!
the method totally fooled me when demmed by a friend and I just had to have it.
So many possibilities, my minds been racing and tonight ill put to test some of the presentations I've come up with.

get it, if you don't already own it.
Message: Posted by: TheDirectionalist (Jan 24, 2018 09:42PM)
Just purchased and all I can say is.. Wow.. Absolutely incredible.

The input method is phenomenal!! So easy and smooth. Iíd give this a 100/10 if I could. Oh wait I just did...
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 25, 2018 06:22AM)
I know I moaned about the price being too high, but on second thoughts I think this is incredible value going by the reviews thus far. This is not helping me trying to save money post Xmas. :bawl:
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Jan 25, 2018 06:34AM)
Hey Pegasus, how do you think I feel?

Having relied on my trusty Blackberry for so long, this app (along with a few other reasons)has finally persuaded me to update my phone to another Blackberry but with Android this time. Now just waiting for the Android release.

Neil
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 25, 2018 06:47AM)
Good for you Neil. Wow, I thought Blackberry had been resigned to the mobile phone museum. Lol.
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Jan 25, 2018 06:52AM)
I did. But a few years ago I checked some reviews and the Blackberry won hands down. They are seriously good phones.

Sales pitch over.

And no, I don't work for them either :-)
Message: Posted by: stookie31 (Jan 25, 2018 04:59PM)
Also should point out the facebook group has some amazingly creative ideas being shared around too.

sorry Pegasus lol
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jan 25, 2018 10:40PM)
This thing is fantastic! What a steal at $30.
Message: Posted by: Nunhunter (Jan 30, 2018 05:52PM)
Saw this last night and it rocks.
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Jan 31, 2018 11:59AM)
LOVE this and have used it many times already. Great ideas on the Facebook group.

Wish list: At least give us 2 more 'CUSTOM' presets that we can edit ourselves. Too many good ideas to not have more flexibility. Only 1 is ok, but definitely is restrictive.
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Jan 31, 2018 12:45PM)
As others have said, this is a fantastic app. The input method is ridiculously easy and clever. This will be one of my main go to effects when put on the spot.
Message: Posted by: mrjinglesusa (Jan 31, 2018 12:55PM)
So simple, so effective. I've used this a few times and people just kind of sit there dumbfounded. It's so simple and effective the people I have used it on, after the reveal, literally sit there staring at the screen trying to process what happened.

And as others have said, the closed Facebook Group is full of GREAT ideas.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 31, 2018 04:32PM)
Thanks ver much guys.....loving the great feedback and Mitch C, hang in there buddy. I think you will love our update coming soon!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 1, 2018 08:10AM)
Finally got round to buying this and have to echo other comments. Particularly like the emoji list. Especially if you can text the emoji to them before hand.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Feb 1, 2018 11:06AM)
Waiting for the android version.
Message: Posted by: qualysoft (Feb 2, 2018 05:00AM)
Excellent magic tool. Congratulations to the creators!

In my opinion, to make it perfect, I would suggest creating unlimited custom lists and complete customization/translation for other languages.
Message: Posted by: Psy (Feb 2, 2018 05:59AM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2018, qualysoft wrote:
Excellent magic tool. Congratulations to the creators!

In my opinion, to make it perfect, I would suggest creating unlimited custom lists and complete customization/translation for other languages. [/quote]

An update with all this is really needed!
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Feb 2, 2018 10:32AM)
Updates take time guys. This is a brand new app. we are working on some new additions that will make this everything you need and more. Watch this space. The update is pending approval but should be with you in the next 7 days. I think you'll love the new features.
Message: Posted by: qualysoft (Feb 2, 2018 12:34PM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2018, einhorn wrote:
Updates take time guys. This is a brand new app. we are working on some new additions that will make this everything you need and more. Watch this space. The update is pending approval but should be with you in the next 7 days. I think you'll love the new features. [/quote]

Great news!

Again, congratulations to the application!
Message: Posted by: videoman (Feb 2, 2018 12:59PM)
Whoo hoo, I agree that that is great news indeed!
And very, very quick as compared to most app updates when it comes to adding useable features and not just bug fixes.
I can't wait to see what the update has in store for us.
Fantastic job Nick and company, and thanks so much for sharing this with the magic community.
Message: Posted by: russellajallen (Feb 5, 2018 12:06PM)
Heard lots of great things about this. Super keen for the android version!
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Feb 5, 2018 01:13PM)
Jesus! Nick has already mentioned there will be an update when the android version is available.
No need to keep mentioning it.
Message: Posted by: Psy (Feb 5, 2018 02:17PM)
This app is great but the creators are not pushing to include all the updates and suggestions that are needed. Other great apps take suggestions and very soon they launch an updated version with all the suggestions. Great app but not very fast/good customer service.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 5, 2018 02:33PM)
[quote]On Feb 5, 2018, Psy wrote:
This app is great but the creators are not pushing to include all the updates and suggestions that are needed. Other great apps take suggestions and very soon they launch an updated version with all the suggestions. Great app but not very fast/good customer service. [/quote]

It works perfectly as is. Nothing else is needed.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Feb 5, 2018 02:34PM)
[quote]On Feb 5, 2018, Psy wrote:
This app is great but the creators are not pushing to include all the updates and suggestions that are needed. Other great apps take suggestions and very soon they launch an updated version with all the suggestions. Great app but not very fast/good customer service. [/quote]

I would disagree.
First, you can't really know how hard they are working on it.
Second, it has not been out that long and they have already promised that an upgrade should arrive very soon. An upgrade which they have stated will take into account many (if not all) of the suggestions they have received so far.

I think you just need a little more patience. To my mind, they have responded very quickly so your comment regarding slow and poor customer service is completely unwarranted IMO. This is not the only thing the creators have going on in their lives. Give them a chance and be reasonable with your expectations
Message: Posted by: Psy (Feb 5, 2018 02:41PM)
My expectations are based only on the experience I had with other apps
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Feb 5, 2018 03:35PM)
Does this work on iPad ?

And if you buy this - do you then have it on both iPhone and iPad [?] - I guess if you upgrade phone [iPhone for iPhone] you don't need to buy it again

Sorry for the remedial questions

I haven't yet bought any apps - so my lack of knowledge is vast

Thanks
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 5, 2018 03:39PM)
IPhone only and only one purchase necessary.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Feb 5, 2018 03:54PM)
Thanks
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Feb 5, 2018 05:00PM)
[quote]On Feb 5, 2018, Psy wrote:
This app is great but the creators are not pushing to include all the updates and suggestions that are needed. Other great apps take suggestions and very soon they launch an updated version with all the suggestions. Great app but not very fast/good customer service. [/quote]

I think your suggestion about not very fast/good customer service is, is a little unwarranted. It is clear you have little idea of what is involved in developing or updating an iPhone App. This is BRAND NEW and only been out less than 4 weeks.
As it happens we are very soon about to release a bunch of updates (FOR FREE) which will make this even better than it already is and does in fact take into consideration many of the requests we have had. This is a massive project and a seriously good tool for pretty much every magician to have on them at all times.

I think we have responded to any queries PDQ and as Videoman kindly mentioned above, we are all involved in projects other than DFB and things take time. You would be amazed at the hoops we had to jump through to make our creation a reality.
Psy, I think you'll find the wait worth it my friend. Continued success and thank you for your purchase.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Feb 5, 2018 05:57PM)
"Requires iOS 10.3 or later. Compatible with iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch."

Do I need to buy it twice [?]

Or if I buy it once and my account is synched - I have it for both iphone and ipad [?]

sorry for the thick questions

I wonder how difficult it is to 'do' - I'm not asking for exposure - I have a phone, but I'm not on FB/etc and so am not always on it and if it needs certain touches that might need work it would be good to know. Maybe PM if it gets close to exposure... but I really am not asking for exposure, just trying to work out if it's 'easy' for someone who is not a gaget head

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 5, 2018 06:12PM)
I would be the last person on earth to join Facebook so I can confirm it doesnít need it . Regards Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: mrjinglesusa (Feb 5, 2018 07:00PM)
The Duster - yes itís easy. It just works and does exactly what it says it will do. You donít need to be tech savvy at all to use this and get great reactions.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Feb 5, 2018 07:02PM)
Awesome thanks

And I just buy it once and have it for both iPad and iPhone [it's all through a synched account]?

I'm only worrying about that as $60 is a bit steep - and I'm likely to use iPad in parlour shows - and iPhone just out and about

Thanks for the help
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Feb 5, 2018 07:03PM)
As in if I have to buy it twice - it's too much [$60]
Message: Posted by: mrjinglesusa (Feb 5, 2018 07:06PM)
You donít need to buy twice. Buy it once and can use on iPhone or iPad.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Feb 5, 2018 07:30PM)
Thanks for the help - and Tarik too - nice to know I'm not the only FB phobe

Thanks again Mr Jingle
Message: Posted by: videoman (Feb 5, 2018 08:24PM)
Super easy AND (more importantly) super reliable.
It's a great app out of the gate but when extra customization is added it will be absolutely fantastic.

It's nice to have apps like Inject that can practically do everything under the sun, but with that comes a learning curve. Heck, it's a learning curve just figuring out what all it is capable of, let alone mastering it.

But DFB you can do perfectly in literally under a minute. It doesn't do everything but what it does do, it does flawlessly. I think that once it's available on Android every magician will own it and use it. My only fear is that it will be killed by over use and there may come a time when the general public becomes aware that apps like it exist.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 5, 2018 08:26PM)
With a world population of 8 billion and 2 billion Facebook users and a high number of the 2 billion no longer using Facebook but just not deleted their accounts , I think only 1 in 5 people actually really use it Duster so I think we are actually in the majority not the minority like you might think Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: videoman (Feb 5, 2018 09:15PM)
Itís probably worth mentioning that this app currently doesnít look right on an iPad so I wouldnít use it on one at present.
Modifying the custom list often crashes on an iPad too.
That will likely be corrected but in a future update but this app really isnít intended for a tablet and works flawlessly on an iPhone.
Even in a parlor setting I think it makes more sense to use your phone anyway due to the nature of the effect.
Plus, itís not like using an iPad would allow anyone other than your volunteer to see things better because the actual words are not significantly larger.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 6, 2018 12:01AM)
The app doesnít show up on a search with my iPad so I assumed it was iPhone only.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Feb 6, 2018 12:20AM)
I only got that from the description on the App store

I have since bought it - my first App ever

I really don't have the taste for Inject 2

Although I am lustinng after another App [thanks to the trick of the year thread... though the only nom for it - is by the creator - hmm... it still seems like a very interesting effect]

Anyway this one seems pretty cool

Just need to learn how to do screen shots - and then think presentation... I love it doesn't need internet...
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 6, 2018 12:55AM)
Iím not a huge lover of Inject. Itís too complicated for my liking and I donít really like tampering with other peopleís phone. This and wiki test is all you need.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Feb 6, 2018 01:42AM)
[quote]On Feb 5, 2018, The Duster wrote:
As in if I have to buy it twice - it's too much [$60] [/quote]

This is NOT designed for iPad. It is an iPhone trick and will look a little odd on an iPad. Just to let you know.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Feb 6, 2018 04:07AM)
Thanks

I'm happy with it on my iPhone - now I've played with it a bit

It does say iPad in the App Store description

Thanks again
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Feb 6, 2018 05:36AM)
Just to let you know that our updates have just been approved by Apple and the newest version will be available for update or purchase in the next few hrs, if not already. This new update allows for total customisation of language and now 5 force lists (2 set and now 3 customisable).
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 6, 2018 06:59AM)
[quote]On Feb 5, 2018, Psy wrote:
This app is great but the creators are not pushing to include all the updates and suggestions that are needed. Other great apps take suggestions and very soon they launch an updated version with all the suggestions. Great app but not very fast/good customer service. [/quote]

Happy now?
Message: Posted by: mrjinglesusa (Feb 6, 2018 09:24AM)
Wow. The update takes a lot (most) of users' suggestions and, if possible, is even better now. I thought it was perfect from the get go but with this update it's gotten even better. Thanks Einhorn and Co.!!!!
Message: Posted by: qualysoft (Feb 6, 2018 09:57AM)
[quote]On Feb 6, 2018, einhorn wrote:
This new update allows for total customisation of language[/quote]

This is really a great magical app, maybe the best, but I have to disagree with that statement.

As a user of another language, I can say that there are still some "details" to be customized/translated.

Anyway, thank you and congratulate the creators for this great tool.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 6, 2018 06:34PM)
I still donít get why you would ask someone for a number then get out your own phone and go to your own notes and say what card is at say number 23
( 6 of clubs for example ) and then ask them to spread the deck that has always been on the table to reveal the face up card . Why ask for a number ? You would surely just ask for any named card and it would appear face up ? The number is irrelevant and just tips off why you used your phone as it has no coherence where it is in the deck and just looks obvious that the phone is involved . Itís surely far better and pretty much self working to use a brainwave deck from the start . Even the baby gag looks far more normal using a Sven pad than a phone . Everyone knows about technology but very few lay people ( and even magicians sometimes ) know about the very old basic principles of magic . The techno stuff nearly everyone in the world knows about these day , you even sign for a parcel in the UK with a pen that doesnít write but transmits somewhere else regards Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Feb 6, 2018 06:53PM)
The simple answer... just don't use it ?
Message: Posted by: mrjinglesusa (Feb 6, 2018 08:00PM)
Itís so much more than that Tarik.

Iíve never once used it for a card effect and the response I usually get is ďWait, what? How did you do that?Ē

To use this to maximum effect itís all about how and what you reveal.
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Feb 6, 2018 08:16PM)
SO many great ideas on the Facebook group. Get 'Donald Draw' app... the 'Einstein' reveal, Elvis with coke, Marilyn with an apple ... I do something first then into a yet to be released effect 'SIRIously Mental' (see the posts on the SVENPAD FB group) - Force a song, ask SIRI to play the song he/she is thinking of.... SIRI gets it WRONG, then corrects herself and plays the correct song. ALL of them get jaw dropping 'NO WAY' reactions. It works for me big time.

IMIGINATION.... get creative... or give up and go home ?
Message: Posted by: videoman (Feb 6, 2018 09:19PM)
Tarik, what made you think you use it like a brainwave effect? Was that in the ad?
Used as you described would be silly. Donít think anyone uses it that way. I certainly wouldnít.
There are a million non-card ways to use it.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 7, 2018 01:37AM)
I use the emoji force which is awesome, and also the list of the 100 most visited Cities. That city just so happens to be selected on your google maps app. Bit like city prediction but cleaner.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 7, 2018 05:14AM)
No Videoman these are 2 of the main show stopper effects in the actual tutorial on the app 😉 . I think Mitch C that you may get ď no way ď , shortly folllowed by ď yes way ď in their heads as itís the only way . I think these apps are clever and I have bought this and have a few others but in reality hardly ever use them in real performances as to me spectators are clued up these days on technology and as I would never ever join Facebook I mainly can only use the ideas that come with these effects or any I think up or other magicians show me . I am pretty sure the creators would have listed at least what they considered to be some of the best ideas and I often think these apps excite us more as magicians rather than logical spectators and we soon demote these to an effect we do when we have nothing else on us and they become just a pub trick . I know loads of magicians who perform close up and also have these apps . Very very few if any perform any single one of them at a paid gig . All my in honest opinion Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Feb 7, 2018 02:23PM)
[quote]On Feb 7, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
I know loads of magicians who perform close up and also have these apps . Very very few if any perform any single one of them at a paid gig . All my in honest opinion Tarik 🙂 [/quote]

Well I am using this! I'm a full-time working pro.... Perhaps I'm in the minority then?
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 7, 2018 05:19PM)
Absolutely I said very few I didnít say all . The less people doing a certain effect has advantages for sure. Best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 7, 2018 05:40PM)
By the way like I said I have bought this and a good few of the other top magic apps and they are genious and the creators are fantastically clever . I am just pointing out that when it comes to the crunch I personally don't see that many magicians using them in their professional sets . This is certainly one of the best I have seen though Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Feb 7, 2018 07:42PM)
There is probably only one app I use in paid gigs but then I primarily perform cabaret. I can think of very few instances where I feel it is justified to take your phone out on stage. The other reason is that many of my favourite apps require an internet connection. My primary work is banquets and many of the venues I work are in basements with absolutely no signal. I like to be in control of as much as possible during a paid gig and I have absolutely no control of my own mobile signal let alone a participant signal who may be on a completely different network to me. So if an app requires an internet connection it is instantly ruled out of my set. If I were doing close up it wouldnít be as much of an issue as it is a lot easier to change sets between tables.

Fortunately this doesnít require an internet connection but it wouldnít suit my style to use this on stage. For stage I think it would be far more professional to have properly prepared my list onto some kind of visual medium rather than use the notes app on my phone. For close up or for casual performances the phone notes are much easier to justify. I have this and I will use it in casual situations once I have found the right vehicle for it. I donít see a problem with the notes app if there is some layering. Iím not a great lover of the simple force/reveal presentation in general. I prefer to use the force item as a starting point rather than an end point. For instance use the word association effect from Atlas Brookings the real thing. Or use some of the ideas from Pete Turners Devil in Disguise 2. This way the thing you reveal isnít on the list nor has it ever been on the list.

The challenge I have right now is finding a good way to know the number without them telling you. In order to move away from the force/reveal presentation itís important that the spectator believes you donít know the number especially if you perform any rainman effects that would indicate that you can easily remember a list of 109 things.

If the position on the list is not known to you and the item at that position is only used as a starting point and the spectator uses it as a springboard to get to an apparently free destination. When you reveal that destination that only ever existed in their head the last thing they will suspect is an app.

Mark
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Feb 8, 2018 01:05AM)
Marc that is a smart post. And I am delighted to tell you the fb group covers an ideal way to generate a number that only they could know. If you own a certain product already youíll have the ideal way to do this. Also it then becomes a very clever way to use it P@! S£)w which opens up enormous possibilies and means you donít have to take your phone out on stage. Enjoy.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 8, 2018 01:15AM)
[quote]On Feb 7, 2018, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
There is probably only one app I use in paid gigs but then I primarily perform cabaret. I can think of very few instances where I feel it is justified to take your phone out on stage. The other reason is that many of my favourite apps require an internet connection. My primary work is banquets and many of the venues I work are in basements with absolutely no signal. I like to be in control of as much as possible during a paid gig and I have absolutely no control of my own mobile signal let alone a participant signal who may be on a completely different network to me. So if an app requires an internet connection it is instantly ruled out of my set. If I were doing close up it wouldnít be as much of an issue as it is a lot easier to change sets between tables.

Fortunately this doesnít require an internet connection but it wouldnít suit my style to use this on stage. For stage I think it would be far more professional to have properly prepared my list onto some kind of visual medium rather than use the notes app on my phone. For close up or for casual performances the phone notes are much easier to justify. I have this and I will use it in casual situations once I have found the right vehicle for it. I donít see a problem with the notes app if there is some layering. Iím not a great lover of the simple force/reveal presentation in general. I prefer to use the force item as a starting point rather than an end point. For instance use the word association effect from Atlas Brookings the real thing. Or use some of the ideas from Pete Turners Devil in Disguise 2. This way the thing you reveal isnít on the list nor has it ever been on the list.

The challenge I have right now is finding a good way to know the number without them telling you. In order to move away from the force/reveal presentation itís important that the spectator believes you donít know the number especially if you perform any rainman effects that would indicate that you can easily remember a list of 109 things.

If the position on the list is not known to you and the item at that position is only used as a starting point and the spectator uses it as a springboard to get to an apparently free destination. When you reveal that destination that only ever existed in their head the last thing they will suspect is an app.

Mark [/quote]

My head hurts. Why oh why complicate matters. The whole point of this app is to keep it simple, stupid. KISS. The way Nick performs it in the demo is brilliantly simple and the guests are dumbstruck. The end. Mission accomplished.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Feb 8, 2018 02:33AM)
It all comes down to whether you still want them still fooled an hour later. As a close up magician force/reveal is probably good enough, if you are performing credible Mentalism you need to work a little harder. More effort on the performers part doesnít mean it isnít simple for the spectator. Think of a number, look up the number on the list, now think of the complete opposite. Job done the item they are thinking of is not on the list and could be absolutely anything and you theoretically couldnít have forced it because you donít know where they started let alone where they ended. The trailer performance looks great, took my girlfriend around 15 minutes to backtrack and suggest an app.

Mark
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 8, 2018 02:47AM)
I think out of all the apps I own (most of them) lol this one is the most robust in term of no trickery pokery in play. Itís perfect for that ďI hear youíre a magician. Show me a trickĒ scenario that we all find ourselves in often.
Message: Posted by: Silverstar (Feb 8, 2018 03:21AM)
Nick, I know your working on one but any update on an Android version release?
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Feb 8, 2018 05:06AM)
SilverStar - we are working on it, but no release date yet. Sorry
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Feb 8, 2018 05:21AM)
[quote]On Feb 8, 2018, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
It all comes down to whether you still want them still fooled an hour later. As a close up magician force/reveal is probably good enough, if you are performing credible Mentalism you need to work a little harder. More effort on the performers part doesnít mean it isnít simple for the spectator. Think of a number, look up the number on the list, now think of the complete opposite. Job done the item they are thinking of is not on the list and could be absolutely anything and you theoretically couldnít have forced it because you donít know where they started let alone where they ended. The trailer performance looks great, took my girlfriend around 15 minutes to backtrack and suggest an app.

Mark [/quote]

Adding a form of peek to obtain the number initially will certainly help to cloak the method, however I'm getting fantastic reactions just doing it as Nick does on the trailer. Simple and direct. Each to their own I guess.

I also like the bit Nick does when he asks them to change their mind from the first number - I use this, and explain that often people use birthdays which restricts the number to 1 to 31 so that may give me a smaller range of numbers to work with, plus I may have somehow found out your birthday etc... When it comes to the reveal, I ask them what was their original number and get them to check the celebrity there - obviously, if they hadn't changed their mind, there would have been a different outcome........

As a double kicker, maybe this first number could also be revealed - ie, written prediction on business card on table? Just a thought... Great app Nick
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Feb 8, 2018 07:27AM)
As I said it all depends on whether you want fantastic reactions in the moment or a long term cooler. As a magician people know we use tricks. If an hour later a spectator thinks they know how you did one or two of them itís not a major problem, you did your job and you entertained them in the moment. People will often try and backtrack and some will come up with credible theories. As a mentalist you do t have the same visual flash bank whiz of a magician and so it all hinges on your credibility.

My girlfriend isnít a typical magicians girlfriend who knows lots of methods. We havenít been together that long and I donít practice on her. She has been to one of my gigs and she came to lads with me where we hung out in the bar. She watched the trailer with me and her initial reaction was a typical laymanís reaction. Around 10 minutes later she had figured out the method completely and the only thing that she got wrong was that she thought it was voice activated. My gut feeling and all of my experience of working to laymen is that she is the norm rather than the exception.

Cypher sells with a similar force/reveal for a lottery ticket. Funny enough the effect that is taught with Cipher is version 1 of my effect Numbers. I rejected version 1 straight away because as incredible as the reactions were in my testing when I pushed my non magician friends to offer a solution 100% of them surmised that the number must have been forced, because I used their phone they didnít know how but the general consensus was that the sum was always going to add up to that number no matter what they input. The current version that uses the force number as a starting point gets equal reactions but that same test group could not offer even a single method.

The tool is exactly what it is supposed to be, a digital force bag. Itís very well put together and has a great input method. Tarim is 100% spot on that Occams Razor takes you straight to app . Thatís not the apps fault it is up to the performer to layer and structure logical disconnects.

Mark
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Feb 8, 2018 12:16PM)
Not much to add... layering is always something we should think about. ONE possible layer here might be to use iThump... one spectator communicates to another spectator his thought off number by this way, it is a non verbal communication. The second spectator is then asked to delete the number... of course, to make it convincing you should have an Apple watch... Jan
Message: Posted by: otreboR (Feb 8, 2018 03:28PM)
Maybe a nice layer would be writing the prediction on your business card and for example put it in an envelope with a hole in the back.
This way you can also add the number to the prediction by using a swami gimmick.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Feb 8, 2018 03:44PM)
[quote]On Feb 8, 2018, otreboR wrote:
Maybe a nice layer would be writing the prediction on your business card and for example put it in an envelope with a hole in the back.
This way you can also add the number to the prediction by using a swami gimmick. [/quote]
This wouldnít be a good thing, you wrote the list so if you predicted the number it stands to reason that you know the item. In such a case the list becomes obsolete and you may as well just dispense with the list and predict the number.

Mark
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Feb 8, 2018 04:24PM)
Indeed :) ... a bit like mind reading, and then presenting a prediction... ;) ... Jan
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Feb 8, 2018 07:12PM)
[quote]On Feb 8, 2018, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
[quote]On Feb 8, 2018, otreboR wrote:
Maybe a nice layer would be writing the prediction on your business card and for example put it in an envelope with a hole in the back.
This way you can also add the number to the prediction by using a swami gimmick. [/quote]
This wouldnít be a good thing, you wrote the list so if you predicted the number it stands to reason that you know the item. In such a case the list becomes obsolete and you may as well just dispense with the list and predict the number.

Mark [/quote]

I'm not sure that is the problem with this idea

It's not redundant because you would know the number if you know the item... it's a more basic misunderstanding than that...

It's the App that's redundant - if you are going to s____ the answer... makes no sense to use a gimmicked app - and your hands will be totally free if you just use an ungimmicked list/etc

I understand why people don't like the layering - as they see it as extra process but for no more [maybe less] of an imediate effect

It's also off putting to those who aren't versed in the methods for the extra 'work'

I have a presententional idea that I think makes it more credible [that is the audience are left thinking about something else - you can't leave them with only the app to think about] - will try and write it up later
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 10, 2018 06:27PM)
I have the latest iPhone x and cannot set the home screen as when I screen shot it it still comes out wrong either keypad in front of saved image or icons I have never seen in my life please advise Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: DrewBstoss (Feb 10, 2018 07:30PM)
Tarik - not sure about the compatibility with the X but the icons are explained in the instructions :)

Best,

Drew
Message: Posted by: videoman (Feb 10, 2018 08:56PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
I have the latest iPhone x and cannot set the home screen as when I screen shot it it still comes out wrong either keypad in front of saved image or icons I have never seen in my life please advise Tarik 🙂 [/quote]

Those icons may be the ones that come with the app. The keypad is kind of a silly practice tool.
Have you tried it yet?
Sounds like everything may be as it should be.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Feb 11, 2018 07:09AM)
Tarik it works perfectly on iPhone X if you are at the circle Monday I will get it all sorted for you if not I will sort you out at Blackpool and we can jam some presentation ideas.

Mark
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 11, 2018 09:25AM)
Iíve emailed you the original default X screensaver Gaz.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 11, 2018 05:35PM)
Thanks Mark and Pegasus as I canít get it working . I take a picture of my home screen and it doesnít work . Even a blank picture and it still doesnít . Something must be missing from the instruction as where do you get the correct blank screen from as mine is covered in the wrong icons even after trying everything . Thanks guys Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Feb 11, 2018 05:58PM)
Itís supposed to have the ďwrongĒ icons... not sure I follow what your issue is
Message: Posted by: videoman (Feb 11, 2018 06:37PM)
Tarik, you're not describing your problem very well because from what you have said it sounds like it is working fine.
You do know that the app places fake icons on your screen right?
These icons do not matter as the specs never really see them. They only get a glimpse if they see them at all so it makes no difference what they are.
They are not an issue so don't worry about them.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 12, 2018 02:49AM)
Ok yes I understand so I take a picture of a blank background screen or my actual home screen with its current icons ? Either way I got icons different from mine and overlapping mine and not once in the tutorial does it mention that is normal . Can you advice whether I take the picture with my icons on it or without ? Thanks for your help and best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (Feb 12, 2018 02:57AM)
You select the photo you are using as your background- donít take a screen grab. That should sort it out.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Feb 12, 2018 03:05AM)
Hi Tarik
The instructions are pretty clear. You should not be using a screenshot of your home screen with your regular app icons. You should be using a duplicate of the picture that is in the background of your home screen. Please PM me with your details so I can help you get you set up. It only takes a few seconds.

[quote]On Feb 12, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
Ok yes I understand so I take a picture of a blank background screen or my actual home screen with its current icons ? Either way I got icons different from mine and overlapping mine and not once in the tutorial does it mention that is normal . Can you advice whether I take the picture with my icons on it or without ? Thanks for your help and best wishes Tarik 🙂 [/quote]
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Feb 12, 2018 10:09AM)
I just got this last week and have been frying peoples minds. I would say this is one of the best apps I've purchased in a while, I love it. So many possibilities.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Feb 12, 2018 10:33AM)
Is there an Android version?

KIDDING.

(But yes, can't wait.)
Message: Posted by: TheDirectionalist (Feb 17, 2018 05:11AM)
Https://youtu.be/diwA11src1A

A performance of mine using DFB. Itís so incredibly easy and clean! I havenít had anyone suspect an app yet. INCLUDING my fiancť who is familiar with all of my apps.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 19, 2018 07:52PM)
Thanks everyone Nick didn't answer my pm but fortunately Marc Keinstein kindly set it up for me . Best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Craig Petty (Feb 19, 2018 11:30PM)
I love this trick. I reviewed it in my latest review show and performed it Live over Facebook on my Magic Wednesday for Slightly Unusual.

This is the link to watch the performance on Magic Wednesday. It's such a versatile effect - highly recommended

https://youtu.be/xyTR9DaCL1w

Craig
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 20, 2018 01:26AM)
Excellent Craig. I personally WhatsApp the image over so Iím hands off the specs phone. But either way itís awesome. AirDrop works great too if itís iPhone to iPhone.
Message: Posted by: pourang65 (Feb 20, 2018 06:40AM)
Just got the app and it's a very nice effect and principal.
However there are two issues IMO that have to be fixed in an update if possible.
First of all the aspect of the Note app is not what it is in reality, and some spectators could see that it's a fake app. People spend a lot of time on their phone and know these things.
Secondly it says that is fully customizable in foreign language, however there are items that you can not change and it's weird to have some words in English and others in French ?
Anyways I hope there will be an update soon because it's a great app!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 20, 2018 07:44AM)
Just been updated. Not sure what you mean.
Message: Posted by: tomd (Feb 20, 2018 09:36AM)
I've just got the app, and all I can tell you 5 minutes after downloading is that the input method is easy, reliable, and invisible, and the app itself is great.. but I have a bug. I'm not part of the Fb group yet (waiting for approval), so I'll ask here. It prompts you that you can swipe down with two fingers to get to the menu at the top of the screen, which is a prompt that should go away after a few seconds, but it remains there the entire time I'm in The "perform" section.. help?
Message: Posted by: pourang65 (Feb 20, 2018 09:40AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2018, pegasus wrote:
Just been updated. Not sure what you mean. [/quote]

Because you do not have the French version! In the note app as I said some texts can not be changed in French
I put a picture in the Facebook group
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Feb 20, 2018 10:35AM)
Hi, and thanks for your comments. We will be looking to rectify this with an update very soon.

.


Because you do not have the French version! In the note app as I said some texts can not be changed in French
I put a picture in the Facebook group [/quote]
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Feb 20, 2018 10:36AM)
Apologies TARIK. Just seen this but glad Marc has kindly helped you.

[quote]On Feb 19, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
Thanks everyone Nick didn't answer my pm but fortunately Marc Keinstein kindly set it up for me . Best wishes Tarik 🙂 [/quote]
Message: Posted by: makulit974 (Feb 20, 2018 10:38AM)
Merci Nick! Great support!

[quote]On Feb 20, 2018, einhorn wrote:
Hi, and thanks for your comments. We will be looking to rectify this with an update very soon.

.


Because you do not have the French version! In the note app as I said some texts can not be changed in French
I put a picture in the Facebook group [/quote] [/quote]
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Feb 20, 2018 10:39AM)
Tom D, are you sorted now? This is the first time I hav heard of this issue. It should not be occurring for you now. PM me if you have an issue and we will get it sorted for you.

[quote]On Feb 20, 2018, pourang65 wrote:
[quote]On Feb 20, 2018, pegasus wrote:
Just been updated. Not sure what you mean. [/quote]

Because you do not have the French version! In the note app as I said some texts can not be changed in French
I put a picture in the Facebook group [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 20, 2018 11:03AM)
Thanks Nick no probs at all Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: pourang65 (Feb 20, 2018 11:06AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2018, einhorn wrote:
Hi, and thanks for your comments. We will be looking to rectify this with an update ver

Thanks a lot Einhorn,
Do you think you can change the aspect of the Note app that has been changed since the last update of the iOS !?
Take care and keep up the good work !
Message: Posted by: tomd (Feb 20, 2018 01:47PM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2018, einhorn wrote:
Tom D, are you sorted now? This is the first time I hav heard of this issue. It should not be occurring for you now. PM me if you have an issue and we will get it sorted for you.

[quote]On Feb 20, 2018, pourang65 wrote:
[quote]On Feb 20, 2018, pegasus wrote:
Just been updated. Not sure what you mean. [/quote]

Because you do not have the French version! In the note app as I said some texts can not be changed in French
I put a picture in the Facebook group [/quote] [/quote]
All sorted now mate, I just click on the prompt when it pops up as I set up, and it goes. Great app, it's up there with iTHUMP (which is probably the best app I have).
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Feb 23, 2018 10:28AM)
Reactions from last night's Awards Ceremony.....

https://www.facebook.com/SeanGoodmanMagician/photos/pcb.1940783309296971/1940781862630449/?type=3&theater
Message: Posted by: Craig Petty (Feb 23, 2018 02:23PM)
Hereís another routine I have started performing with DFB. Itís based on a routine I published on my At The Table Lecture but DFB makes it much cleaner.

I thought Iíd share it here for anyone that likes coin magic itís very commercial routine.

https://youtu.be/usijfdZnaNc
Message: Posted by: warren (Feb 23, 2018 02:48PM)
[quote]On Feb 23, 2018, Craig Petty wrote:
Hereís another routine I have started performing with DFB. Itís based on a routine I published on my At The Table Lecture but DFB makes it much cleaner.

I thought Iíd share it here for anyone that likes coin magic itís very commercial routine.

https://youtu.be/usijfdZnaNc [/quote]

I remember seeing the method you used before at a lecture you gave Craig but this makes the effect so much better even though the effect was great before.
Message: Posted by: yoyomagic (Feb 28, 2018 10:57AM)
Hi All

There is a new update that should already be in the app store. This update will fix a bug for IOS 10 users and we have also added a section in the settings in order for users from other countries to customise more of the text.

Thanks again for all your great comments and reviews.

Craig
Message: Posted by: warren (Feb 28, 2018 11:19AM)
Lets hope we don't have to wait to long for the android version.
Message: Posted by: chuds (Feb 28, 2018 02:18PM)
[quote]On Feb 23, 2018, Craig Petty wrote:
Hereís another routine I have started performing with DFB. Itís based on a routine I published on my At The Table Lecture but DFB makes it much cleaner.

I thought Iíd share it here for anyone that likes coin magic itís very commercial routine.

https://youtu.be/usijfdZnaNc [/quote]

Love the idea Craig, thanks for sharing.

Ian.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Mar 1, 2018 12:19PM)
Creator previously mentioned that Android version is being worked on and coming soon
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Mar 1, 2018 12:21PM)
Meanwhile, I continue to blow people away with this, just using the base effect, whether movies, shopping list, celebs...it really does fool people. Highly recommended!
Message: Posted by: yoyomagic (Mar 16, 2018 01:01PM)
Great review from the guys at World Magic Shop. Check the show out here https://youtu.be/VKGdH3uhomk
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Mar 17, 2018 01:14PM)
When will it be on Android?

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: PaulW (Mar 17, 2018 03:49PM)
Got this today and already using it. very organic and easy to do. Can be used in a hosts of ways highly recommend it
Message: Posted by: videoman (Mar 17, 2018 10:27PM)
I enjoy performing a routine that I was happy using a SvenPad for. But this has alleviated me having to make sure I had always had my SvenPad with me.
As an added bonus itís quick and easy to change it to a myriad of other forces.


This has to be the most deceptive, easy to use, and versatile utility device since the TT. And Nick and his team have really listened to user feedback and put out updates amazingly fast. I have no doubt they are working hard to release an Android version ASAP.

Love it!!!

My only concern is it will become a victim of its own success and become overused and too well known by the public.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 18, 2018 03:38AM)
My fave is the 100 top cities visited. Get the spec to open their google maps app. Type in the force City, whilst they hold the phone pointed toward you. They place their phone face down. Voila, the city they randomly chose matches. Similar to city prediction but far cleaner.
Hong Kong, China
Singapore
Bangkok, Thailand
London, United Kingdom
Paris, France
Macau
New York City, USA
Shenzhen, China
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Antalya, Turkey
Istanbul, Turkey
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Seoul, South Korea
Rome, Italy
Phuket, Thailand
Guangzhou, China
Mecca, Saudi Arabia
Pattaya, Thailand
Taipei, Taiwan
Miami, USA
Prague, Czech Republic
Shanghai, China
Las Vegas, USA
Milan, Italy
Barcelona, Spain
Moscow, Russia
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Vienna, Austria
Venice, Italy
Los Angeles, USA
Lima, Peru
Tokyo, Japan
Johannesburg, South Africa
Beijing, China
Sofia, Bulgaria
Orlando, USA
Berlin, Germany
Budapest, Hungary
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Florence, italy
Madrid, Spain
Warsaw, Poland
Doha, Qatar
Nairobi, Kenya
Delhi, india
Mumbai, India
Chennai, India
Mexico City, Mexico
Dublin, Ireland
San Francisco, USA
Hangzhou, China
Denpasar, Indonesia
St. Petersburg, Russia
Muğla, Turkey
Brussels, Belgium
Burgas, Bulgaria
Munich, Germany
Zhuhai, China
Sydney, Australia
Edirne, Turkey
Toronto, Canada
Lisbon, Portugal
Cancķn, Mexico
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Cairo, Egypt
Punta Cana, Domincan Republic
Suzhou, China
Djerba, Tunisia
Agra, India
Krakůw, Poland
Bucharest, Romania
Siem Reap, Cambodia
Jaipur, India
Honolulu, USA
Manama, Bahrain
Dammam, Saudi Arabia
Hanoi, Vietnam
Andorra la Vella, Andorra
Nice, France
ZŁrich, Switzerland
Jakarta, Indonesia
Manila, Philippines
Chiang Mai, Thailand
Marrakech, Morocco
Sharm el Sheikh, Egypt
Marne-La-Vallťe, France
Frankfurt, Germany
Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
Vancouver, Canada
Guilin, China
Melbourne, Australia
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Amman, Jordan
Sousse, Tunisia
Kiev, Ukraine
Sharjah, United Arab Emirates
Jeju Island, South Korea
Krabi, Thailand
Artvin, Turkey
Message: Posted by: Colin (C.J.) (Mar 18, 2018 05:07AM)
[quote]On Mar 18, 2018, pegasus wrote:
My fave is the 100 top cities visited. Get the spec to open their google maps app. Type in the force City, whilst they hold the phone pointed toward you. They place their phone face down. Voila, the city they randomly chose matches. Similar to city prediction but far cleaner.
Hong Kong, China
Singapore
Bangkok, Thailand
London, United Kingdom
Paris, France
Macau
New York City, USA
Shenzhen, China
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Antalya, Turkey
Istanbul, Turkey
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Seoul, South Korea
Rome, Italy
Phuket, Thailand
Guangzhou, China
Mecca, Saudi Arabia
Pattaya, Thailand
Taipei, Taiwan
Miami, USA
Prague, Czech Republic
Shanghai, China
Las Vegas, USA
Milan, Italy
Barcelona, Spain
Moscow, Russia
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Vienna, Austria
Venice, Italy
Los Angeles, USA
Lima, Peru
Tokyo, Japan
Johannesburg, South Africa
Beijing, China
Sofia, Bulgaria
Orlando, USA
Berlin, Germany
Budapest, Hungary
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Florence, italy
Madrid, Spain
Warsaw, Poland
Doha, Qatar
Nairobi, Kenya
Delhi, india
Mumbai, India
Chennai, India
Mexico City, Mexico
Dublin, Ireland
San Francisco, USA
Hangzhou, China
Denpasar, Indonesia
St. Petersburg, Russia
Muğla, Turkey
Brussels, Belgium
Burgas, Bulgaria
Munich, Germany
Zhuhai, China
Sydney, Australia
Edirne, Turkey
Toronto, Canada
Lisbon, Portugal
Cancķn, Mexico
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Cairo, Egypt
Punta Cana, Domincan Republic
Suzhou, China
Djerba, Tunisia
Agra, India
Krakůw, Poland
Bucharest, Romania
Siem Reap, Cambodia
Jaipur, India
Honolulu, USA
Manama, Bahrain
Dammam, Saudi Arabia
Hanoi, Vietnam
Andorra la Vella, Andorra
Nice, France
ZŁrich, Switzerland
Jakarta, Indonesia
Manila, Philippines
Chiang Mai, Thailand
Marrakech, Morocco
Sharm el Sheikh, Egypt
Marne-La-Vallťe, France
Frankfurt, Germany
Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
Vancouver, Canada
Guilin, China
Melbourne, Australia
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Amman, Jordan
Sousse, Tunisia
Kiev, Ukraine
Sharjah, United Arab Emirates
Jeju Island, South Korea
Krabi, Thailand
Artvin, Turkey [/quote]
Great, thanks for sharing Pegasus
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 18, 2018 07:02AM)
Youíre welcome Colin.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Mar 18, 2018 07:31AM)
Man can't wait to get this on Android and free up the pocket space of carrying svenpads.

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: Mr. Dural (Mar 21, 2018 02:32PM)
I bought this thinking that I could use it on my iPad just like any other app. Unfortunately it doesn't look right at all on the iPad. You can only use this on the iPhone -pity the advertising page on the appstore says that you can use it with iPad.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (Mar 21, 2018 04:30PM)
Is there any chance this will be available on Android soon?

Best wishes!
John
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (Mar 21, 2018 04:32PM)
ANDROID??? :)
Message: Posted by: warren (Mar 22, 2018 12:47PM)
Another plug for Android :)
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Mar 28, 2018 12:29PM)
Update. We are well on our way to the Android version being ready. I will let you know a likely release date as soon as I have one. Watch this space!
Message: Posted by: tenchu (Mar 28, 2018 12:34PM)
[quote]On Mar 28, 2018, einhorn wrote:
Update. We are well on our way to the Android version being ready. I will let you know a likely release date as soon as I have one. Watch this space! [/quote]

That's great news! I can't wait for the Android version!

Mike
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Mar 28, 2018 01:16PM)
Wooohooo!! Will purchase immediately as soon as Android version comes out!

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: warren (Mar 28, 2018 01:48PM)
[quote]On Mar 28, 2018, einhorn wrote:
Update. We are well on our way to the Android version being ready. I will let you know a likely release date as soon as I have one. Watch this space! [/quote]

Great news :)
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Mar 28, 2018 03:32PM)
Finally :)
Message: Posted by: MF Tom (Apr 7, 2018 01:25PM)
Any news on that? :)
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Apr 9, 2018 12:54PM)
Waiting on some news
Message: Posted by: fuzzbass (Apr 9, 2018 01:24PM)
Hi all, I have the start of an idea, but am having trouble working out how to carry it out.

I want to generate two football teams from a list of 100, then generate a "random" score for the resulting match between them.

I have two iPhones, so generating two different football teams is easy, what I am stuck on is a way of generating a score for the resulting match. I really don't know where to start at the moment. Using a deck of cards to force a number is a bit long winded, and I think it would be neater to keep it in the phone if I'm already using it. I'd love to get this idea off the ground, but am stuck at the moment. Any help appreciated!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Apr 9, 2018 01:43PM)
You do not need two iPhones to generate two football teams.
Message: Posted by: fuzzbass (Apr 9, 2018 01:45PM)
I'm just trying to work out the best way to achieve what I want to achieve. I'm open to all ideas and help! :-)
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Apr 9, 2018 01:49PM)
Ok. On the single phone with the app make 2 football lists but have them in random order from each other, so two separate lists. Spec chooses a number and you now have forced two football teams.

Reset app as per instructions.

Ask spec for another number

A third list will have 100 random scores, thatís your score forced.
Message: Posted by: fuzzbass (Apr 9, 2018 01:53PM)
That's brilliant! I didn't know you could "reset" the app! Thank you so much :-)
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Apr 9, 2018 01:58PM)
No problem. Yes very easy to reset app on the go.
Message: Posted by: Tomangerry (Apr 9, 2018 03:37PM)
Very nice idea indeed Tom
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Apr 9, 2018 04:16PM)
Just so long as Chelsea always wins.
Message: Posted by: -Legerdemaniac- (Apr 30, 2018 06:01PM)
Checking on a literal daily basis for this android arrival!
Message: Posted by: danster08 (May 8, 2018 11:15AM)
After reading through this entire thread, I have purchased DFB. Looks like it has a lot of potential. And it already passed the wife test with just the basic preloaded routine. I have many thoughts of how I want to use this, but my first thought when purchasing was for one of Chris Philpottís routines on Narcissus that he uses a svenpad for. This way I can have several setup without buying multiple pads. I am very much looking forward to exploring this more. I have requested access to the Facebook group as well, just waiting for approval.

Thanks for the great release!
Message: Posted by: NeilS (May 8, 2018 12:25PM)
Hopefully the Android version will be ready soon ....
Message: Posted by: einhorn (May 8, 2018 02:15PM)
ANDROID IS HERE!!!!!!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.digitalforcebag.dfb


Enjoy and thanks for your patience.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (May 8, 2018 02:19PM)
BOUGHT!!


Thank you :)
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 9, 2018 06:06PM)
Since it ended up as the last post on the previous page Nick's announcement probably didn't get the attention it deserved so I'm reposting it here.

BTW, just a fabulous utility device. Simple and Sweet!!!


[quote]On May 8, 2018, einhorn wrote:
ANDROID IS HERE!!!!!!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.digitalforcebag.dfb


Enjoy and thanks for your patience. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Joshua Barrett (May 9, 2018 06:09PM)
Oh sweet! Someone was just telling me about this a few days ago on facebook, and I was a bit disappointed that it was IOS only. Thanks for the update Videoman. added to my wishlist for this weekend
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (May 9, 2018 06:14PM)
This really is so much fun. Love this.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (May 9, 2018 06:17PM)
Yaaaayyy!

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: NeilS (May 10, 2018 01:13AM)
Well worth the wait. Thank you Nick.

Neil
Message: Posted by: AJ MAJIC (May 10, 2018 08:57PM)
Got my android ver this morning. Wow :-) this is gonna be fun!
Message: Posted by: warren (May 13, 2018 03:38AM)
I've blown my magic budget for this month but will definitely be picking up the Android version of this next month as everything Nick puts out is a worker :)
Message: Posted by: baobow (May 14, 2018 02:13AM)
Could someone please advise how much storage for the app is required for the andriod version please?
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (May 18, 2018 08:02AM)
What would be a nice addition is being able to see the number you coded in the app (maybe as the battery level or the time) so you can check and verify that you implemented the correct number. I screwed up the setting of the number twice yesterday and I think it would be nice to see this number before opening the note app as a security net :)
Message: Posted by: jmbulg (May 18, 2018 08:30AM)
Is there a way to prepare a list on a computer and import it ? I lost my custom list (prepared with patience on my smartphone's keyboard) for unknown reasons and since I did not export it, I have to recreate it.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 19, 2018 12:40AM)
[quote]On May 18, 2018, jmbulg wrote:
Is there a way to prepare a list on a computer and import it ? I lost my custom list (prepared with patience on my smartphone's keyboard) for unknown reasons and since I did not export it, I have to recreate it. [/quote]

Create list on your PC, copy and paste list into an email. Copy and paste from email on your phone.
Message: Posted by: magicmarcuk (May 19, 2018 05:02AM)
[quote]On May 18, 2018, jmbulg wrote:
Is there a way to prepare a list on a computer and import it ? I lost my custom list (prepared with patience on my smartphone's keyboard) for unknown reasons and since I did not export it, I have to recreate it. [/quote]

I just made this for you which lets you type a list on your computer to generate the DFB page which you can bookmark and put into your phone later:
http://marckerstein.com/?dfbcreate
Message: Posted by: SimonTheSorcerer (May 19, 2018 05:52AM)
I own inject and read the thread so far the differences are, that I can use the force bag offline and on MY phone.

Correct or did I missed anything? Just not sure if this purchase makes it sense as I already own inject.
Message: Posted by: tomd (May 19, 2018 06:06AM)
[quote]On May 19, 2018, SimonTheSorcerer wrote:
I own inject and read the thread so far the differences are, that I can use the force bag offline and on MY phone.

Correct or did I missed anything? Just not sure if this purchase makes it sense as I already own inject. [/quote]

This has nothing to do with inject. I have both, they are completely different.

Yes, DFB is offline.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (May 19, 2018 07:22AM)
[quote]On May 19, 2018, SimonTheSorcerer wrote:
I own inject and read the thread so far the differences are, that I can use the force bag offline and on MY phone.

Correct or did I missed anything? Just not sure if this purchase makes it sense as I already own inject. [/quote]

If you canít see the difference I wouldnít bother
Message: Posted by: SimonTheSorcerer (May 19, 2018 11:19AM)
If I can't see doesn't mean there aren't difference. So in case this app provides me anything inject doesn't I wanted to know that.
Message: Posted by: matsam (May 19, 2018 11:31AM)
[quote]On May 19, 2018, magicmarcuk wrote:
[quote]On May 18, 2018, jmbulg wrote:
Is there a way to prepare a list on a computer and import it ? I lost my custom list (prepared with patience on my smartphone's keyboard) for unknown reasons and since I did not export it, I have to recreate it. [/quote]

I just made this for you which lets you type a list on your computer to generate the DFB page which you can bookmark and put into your phone later:
http://marckerstein.com/?dfbcreate [/quote]

Thanks, Marc! Very nice assist for the community and great job with the app.
fwiw, I'll be buying everything you make. I never even used the full upgraded version of WebFX. no regrets!
Message: Posted by: yoyomagic (May 20, 2018 01:14PM)
[quote]On May 19, 2018, SimonTheSorcerer wrote:
If I can't see doesn't mean there aren't difference. So in case this app provides me anything inject doesn't I wanted to know that. [/quote]

These apps are very different. You would definitely have uses for both. Pretty sure you will love this as many top working magicians around the world are.
Message: Posted by: tenchu (May 21, 2018 11:49AM)
Yay for the Android version!

Quick question - how the customization looks right now (Android version)? It would be great to have all the things in my native language, which is Polish. You know, not only the things that you have in the lists, as we have those weird ąęłůżźćńś letters, but the app stuff also. Is it possible?

Thanks for the help!

Mike
Message: Posted by: einhorn (May 21, 2018 04:38PM)
[quote]On May 21, 2018, tenchu wrote:
Yay for the Android version!

Quick question - how the customization looks right now (Android version)? It would be great to have all the things in my native language, which is Polish. You know, not only the things that you have in the lists, as we have those weird ąęłůżźćńś letters, but the app stuff also. Is it possible?

Thanks for the help!

Mike [/quote]


Not possible at this time, sorry. However we have users all over the world and using it in many languages. With audience management it should not be too much of an issue.
Message: Posted by: tenchu (May 21, 2018 05:00PM)
[quote]On May 21, 2018, einhorn wrote:
[quote]On May 21, 2018, tenchu wrote:
Yay for the Android version!

Quick question - how the customization looks right now (Android version)? It would be great to have all the things in my native language, which is Polish. You know, not only the things that you have in the lists, as we have those weird ąęłůżźćńś letters, but the app stuff also. Is it possible?

Thanks for the help!

Mike [/quote]

Not possible at this time, sorry. However we have users all over the world and using it in many languages. With audience management it should not be too much of an issue. [/quote]

Thank you! I guess English is the way to go, then.

Mike
Message: Posted by: ursmagicbalu (May 22, 2018 01:26AM)
Wow.. Finally its for Android
Message: Posted by: jmbulg (May 25, 2018 01:28AM)
[quote]On May 19, 2018, magicmarcuk wrote:
[quote]On May 18, 2018, jmbulg wrote:
Is there a way to prepare a list on a computer and import it ? I lost my custom list (prepared with patience on my smartphone's keyboard) for unknown reasons and since I did not export it, I have to recreate it. [/quote]

I just made this for you which lets you type a list on your computer to generate the DFB page which you can bookmark and put into your phone later:
http://marckerstein.com/?dfbcreate [/quote]

Many thanks. I did not realize the Url is just a php code, otherwise I would maybe have written a utility myself :-)

In practise now, since my PC and smartphone are related to two different identities, I create the Url with http://marckerstein.com/?dfbcreate on my PC and send the url via email to my other identity. Reading the email on the smartphone and clicking on the link is then a piece of cake.

:-)
Message: Posted by: einhorn (May 25, 2018 03:10AM)
I am continually impressed by the variations and clever presentations being developed and shared on the closed FB group. If you own this app but have not joined, it is seriously worth your time to click the link at the bottom of the instructions and become a member. It is free and you will be richly rewarded for your efforts. When we created this, Craig and myself suspected this would be a useful app, but we are in awe at some of the creative uses some of you continue to find.
Message: Posted by: jmbulg (May 25, 2018 04:16AM)
Would like to join a discussion group but FB is and always has been a no-go for me.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 25, 2018 08:18AM)
I agree FB is the scourge of society and the lowest common dominator . I would rather stick pins in my eyes that ever join that tripe . Best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (May 25, 2018 10:34AM)
So here's the thing: I love Facebook. Sorry, I do. It's great.

But also... I HATE Facebook. It ruins everything (and I even resent them for loving them). I am a part of so many groups with real value, but I hate that it's a part of my life. If you can do without it, I envy you, and yes, keep it that way. I wish I could remove myself without losing the value that I get from a large part of it.
Message: Posted by: warren (May 25, 2018 02:00PM)
When I purchase this which I'll definitely be doing I for one will definitely join the Facebook group, I think it can be a great resource with other magicians sharing and contributing their idea's.

The thing with Facebook is it's easy to adjust your settings which means that you can control most of the content plus there's always the very useful block button haha
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 25, 2018 02:16PM)
Your are right Warren itís I just cannot stand Mark Zuckerberg and the whole premise of FB but if used just for magic groups I can see the benefit . Canít you set up groups on other mediums though does it have to FB ? I like other dealers who put additional ideas on their web page like Michael Murray does with Mind FX etc. I mean FB is currently going through the sort of scandal right now which is totally the reason I never entertained it years ago . Anyway each to their own best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: rowland (May 25, 2018 05:01PM)
I have to agree with Nick the ideas on the face book group are amazing. Anybody who has this app and does not join it is missing out in a big way. Iím not a face book fan but it does have it uses.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 25, 2018 05:33PM)
Not in my case Rowland as I just ask any magician friend I know who sends me any decent ideas from the FB groups anyway via a personal text to me direct . So itís a win win for me as like FB in general 90% plus on there is shi.te even on these groups I am reliably informed and I get the cream sent to me as I say anyway . This isnít a dig at you Rowland but at FB ie get some real friends in life and you will get what you will ever need in this life and some more without wasting time scouring a load of old crap . Best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: rowland (May 25, 2018 08:25PM)
[quote]On May 25, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
Not in my case Rowland as I just ask any magician friend I know who sends me any decent ideas from the FB groups anyway via a personal text to me direct . So itís a win win for me as like FB in general 90% plus on there is shi.te even on these groups I am reliably informed and I get the cream sent to me as I say anyway . This isnít a dig at you Rowland but at FB ie get some real friends in life and you will get what you will ever need in this life and some more without wasting time scouring a load of old crap . Best wishes Tarik 🙂 [/quote]

Each to their own Tarik, I respect anybodyís decision to do as they please. I have filters set and get very little crap lol
Message: Posted by: warren (May 26, 2018 04:38AM)
[quote]On May 25, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
Your are right Warren itís I just cannot stand Mark Zuckerberg and the whole premise of FB but if used just for magic groups I can see the benefit . Canít you set up groups on other mediums though does it have to FB ? I like other dealers who put additional ideas on their web page like Michael Murray does with Mind FX etc. I mean FB is currently going through the sort of scandal right now which is totally the reason I never entertained it years ago . Anyway each to their own best wishes Tarik 🙂 [/quote]

I agree it would be good to see these user groups on other mediums I just think that for the manufacturers out there that FB is the quickest and easiest way to reach the masses but as you say to each their own.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (May 29, 2018 02:49PM)
After playing around with this for a few days, created a list of random pages and random words for a book test. I finally got to try it out today at a local goodwill store. The reaction was just how I thought it would be. DFB is now one of my favorite effects. My absolute favorite thing about it is that you can customize your own list and make the effect for you and your style of performance. I canít say enough about it. Although, some people who own DFB May think itís useless adding in the list I made. ( why have them choose a random number only to have them choose a random number 🤔 ). The list I made uses a force page and force word in any book. DFB is a lot of fun to play with.
Message: Posted by: danster08 (Jun 3, 2018 01:50PM)
There are so many useful Facebook magic groups, it would be difficult for me to not be on there. The DFB Page is no exception. So many wonderful ideas. The fact that so many products are offering these private groups, makes the value of the initial purchase so much better. There are some groups, I agree, that donít add much value, but it is totally worth it when you come access one, like this, that is. I just purchased a set of Sven Notes and canít wait to be accepted into that group. I have heard it has lots of gold to be found. And the ideas between the two are very interchangeable. To each their own, but for me it is worth it!
Message: Posted by: warren (Jun 3, 2018 01:56PM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2018, danster08 wrote:
There are so many useful Facebook magic groups, it would be difficult for me to not be on there. The DFB Page is no exception. So many wonderful ideas. The fact that so many products are offering these private groups, makes the value of the initial purchase so much better. There are some groups, I agree, that donít add much value, but it is totally worth it when you come access one, like this, that is. I just purchased a set of Sven Notes and canít wait to be accepted into that group. I have heard it has lots of gold to be found. And the ideas between the two are very interchangeable. To each their own, but for me it is worth it! [/quote]

I agree it definitely adds value to the products :)
Message: Posted by: matsam (Jun 3, 2018 02:01PM)
I wasn't aware of a standard notes app within Android like there is for iOS, nor did I see the screenshot within the Play Store. Does it look like Google Keep or more of a generic-looking notes app?
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jun 3, 2018 03:17PM)
It looks like a generic note app. I've done it a lot, there's never a question.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 3, 2018 07:10PM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2018, danster08 wrote:
There are so many useful Facebook magic groups, it would be difficult for me to not be on there. The DFB Page is no exception. So many wonderful ideas. The fact that so many products are offering these private groups, makes the value of the initial purchase so much better. There are some groups, I agree, that donít add much value, but it is totally worth it when you come access one, like this, that is. I just purchased a set of Sven Notes and canít wait to be accepted into that group. I have heard it has lots of gold to be found. And the ideas between the two are very interchangeable. To each their own, but for me it is worth it! [/quote]



Sven Notes make this that much stronger. And being able to customize your own routine with DFB is such a benefit. Iíll have to pick up a couple pads myself.
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Jun 4, 2018 01:52AM)
Yesterday I used it as follows - spectator asked to think of a famous celebrity, which is peeked by your fav method. Then the DFB brought in play and if the celeb is on the list.... BOOM! Obviously if the celeb isnít on the list, then just proceed reveal the peeked info and donít bring the DFB into play but if it is on the list.... OMG, they freak! Itís a double whammy
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Jun 4, 2018 05:28AM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2018, simplymagicweb wrote:
Yesterday I used it as follows - spectator asked to think of a famous celebrity, which is peeked by your fav method. Then the DFB brought in play and if the celeb is on the list.... BOOM! Obviously if the celeb isnít on the list, then just proceed reveal the peeked info and donít bring the DFB into play but if it is on the list.... OMG, they freak! Itís a double whammy [/quote]

You will be intrested to know that on the next series of Fool us, Simon Pierro handed out his Phone with a list of 100 Celebrityís and one person was asked to name a number (Think it was 46) then hand to Penn to confirmed all the names were different, and name at 46 was Marie Osmond

He then introduced a ď3D PrinterĒ to print Marie Osmond who happened to have a show at Hotel along the strip

I won't tell you if it did fool them as you will have to watch in September
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 4, 2018 09:41AM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2018, Martin.Lester wrote:
[quote]On Jun 4, 2018, simplymagicweb wrote:
Yesterday I used it as follows - spectator asked to think of a famous celebrity, which is peeked by your fav method. Then the DFB brought in play and if the celeb is on the list.... BOOM! Obviously if the celeb isnít on the list, then just proceed reveal the peeked info and donít bring the DFB into play but if it is on the list.... OMG, they freak! Itís a double whammy [/quote]

You will be intrested to know that on the next series of Fool us, Simon Pierro handed out his Phone with a list of 100 Celebrityís and one person was asked to name a number (Think it was 46) then hand to Penn to confirmed all the names were different, and name at 46 was Marie Osmond

He then introduced a ď3D PrinterĒ to print Marie Osmond who happened to have a show at Hotel along the strip

I won't tell you if it did fool them as you will have to watch in September [/quote]

So who done the sneaky stuff?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 5, 2018 12:48AM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2018, simplymagicweb wrote:
Yesterday I used it as follows - spectator asked to think of a famous celebrity, which is peeked by your fav method. Then the DFB brought in play and if the celeb is on the list.... BOOM! Obviously if the celeb isnít on the list, then just proceed reveal the peeked info and donít bring the DFB into play but if it is on the list.... OMG, they freak! Itís a double whammy [/quote]


Iíll have to play around with this idea. I like it. I think I might try this using wikitest ( SW Peek ) for the celebrity.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 5, 2018 04:56PM)
Yes I agree but itís not as strong as having the celebrity preset on the DFB list as in the above approach surely you have to mess about ticking the box next to the Celeb etc so too much suspicious fiddling around imo Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 5, 2018 05:45PM)
I agree. Could definitely look suspicious. But with Enough working and familiarizing yourself with the actions, followed by a little time misdirection. Someone could achieve this. I will admit that there are more actions than there are with itís designed method. With some practice and memerizing most of the celebrities. It should be workable. There will be a lot of extra dedication to pulling this off. I still think itís a nice idea to play with.
Message: Posted by: Rob.m (Jun 14, 2018 05:12AM)
Can see DFB working along side of Cheese Smile by Smagic Productions - Take the photo then use DFB to force the card.
Message: Posted by: warren (Jun 16, 2018 04:32AM)
Finally purchased this today :)
Message: Posted by: j100taylor (Jun 16, 2018 07:55AM)
Got mine last week. Really like it,
Message: Posted by: warren (Jun 16, 2018 08:26AM)
To be fair to Nick what ever he releases is excellent.
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Jun 16, 2018 01:38PM)
This is my favourite and gets fantastic results... I start with placing a folded £5 note on the table and then as Iím placing the business card down next to the note I tell the spectator that I have made 2 predictions and if I get either of the predictions wrong then they can keep the fiver...because I make this statement as Iím placing the business card next to the note the spectator thinks my predictions are on the business card. I then start by telling the spectator that in my notes I have got a list of 100 celebrities, I ask them to name a number between 1 and 100... once they have told me the number I then do the dirty work and turn the phone to face the spectator, I ask them to open my ďnotesĒ and then open the list of celebrities and find the celebrity next to their chosen number ( Winston Churchill ) I then say...Ēis it fair to say that if you had chosen another number then you would be looking at a completely different celebrityĒ they always agree with that statement. I tell them to remember the celebrity and to close my ďnotes appĒ once they have done this I then take the phone and open the calculator. (Force calculator) a brilliant app for forcing any number much better than using toxic force and looks exactly the same as the apple calculator....
I then tell the spectator he or she is going to create a large random number, I ask the spectator to call out a 4 digit number, this is imputed into the calculator and then I press the times button and ask for another 4 digit number, I press the equals button and your force number appears on the screen (the forced number is the serial number on the five pound note) then either get the spectator to write down the number or just leave the phone on the table with the number showing. I then ask the spectator to look at my predictions and they automatically pick up the business card that says ďto see my predictions open the £5....
When they do they see Winston Churchill and the matching serial number..obviously you can do the reveal however you want. This has been getting me fantastic reactions
I hope all that makes sense
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 16, 2018 06:42PM)
Real nice AceFace. This has been on my radar for a long time. Already have so many apps though. If my Iphone is lost or breaks, Im doomed.


What I like is this can be customized for corporate clients. :bigdance:
Message: Posted by: warren (Jun 17, 2018 11:48AM)
[quote]On Jun 16, 2018, AceFace wrote:
This is my favourite and gets fantastic results... I start with placing a folded £5 note on the table and then as Iím placing the business card down next to the note I tell the spectator that I have made 2 predictions and if I get either of the predictions wrong then they can keep the fiver...because I make this statement as Iím placing the business card next to the note the spectator thinks my predictions are on the business card. I then start by telling the spectator that in my notes I have got a list of 100 celebrities, I ask them to name a number between 1 and 100... once they have told me the number I then do the dirty work and turn the phone to face the spectator, I ask them to open my ďnotesĒ and then open the list of celebrities and find the celebrity next to their chosen number ( Winston Churchill ) I then say...Ēis it fair to say that if you had chosen another number then you would be looking at a completely different celebrityĒ they always agree with that statement. I tell them to remember the celebrity and to close my ďnotes appĒ once they have done this I then take the phone and open the calculator. (Force calculator) a brilliant app for forcing any number much better than using toxic force and looks exactly the same as the apple calculator....
I then tell the spectator he or she is going to create a large random number, I ask the spectator to call out a 4 digit number, this is imputed into the calculator and then I press the times button and ask for another 4 digit number, I press the equals button and your force number appears on the screen (the forced number is the serial number on the five pound note) then either get the spectator to write down the number or just leave the phone on the table with the number showing. I then ask the spectator to look at my predictions and they automatically pick up the business card that says ďto see my predictions open the £5....
When they do they see Winston Churchill and the matching serial number..obviously you can do the reveal however you want. This has been getting me fantastic reactions
I hope all that makes sense [/quote]

Does Android do a force calculator ?
Message: Posted by: AceFace (Jun 17, 2018 02:58PM)
Iím not sure if itís available on Android....
Message: Posted by: SethHoward (Jun 26, 2018 10:22PM)
I have been using this and it is amazing.
Message: Posted by: warren (Jun 27, 2018 02:09AM)
[quote]On Jun 26, 2018, SethHoward wrote:
I have been using this and it is amazing. [/quote]

Agreed I used this at a paid gig on Sunday and it went down very well :)
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jun 27, 2018 12:07PM)
So easy and so much fun to perform. Rare that something can deliver the kinds of reactions this does with so little work on the performer's part.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 27, 2018 12:48PM)
[quote]On Jun 16, 2018, AceFace wrote:
This is my favourite and gets fantastic results... I start with placing a folded £5 note on the table and then as Iím placing the business card down next to the note I tell the spectator that I have made 2 predictions and if I get either of the predictions wrong then they can keep the fiver...because I make this statement as Iím placing the business card next to the note the spectator thinks my predictions are on the business card. I then start by telling the spectator that in my notes I have got a list of 100 celebrities, I ask them to name a number between 1 and 100... once they have told me the number I then do the dirty work and turn the phone to face the spectator, I ask them to open my ďnotesĒ and then open the list of celebrities and find the celebrity next to their chosen number ( Winston Churchill ) I then say...Ēis it fair to say that if you had chosen another number then you would be looking at a completely different celebrityĒ they always agree with that statement. I tell them to remember the celebrity and to close my ďnotes appĒ once they have done this I then take the phone and open the calculator. (Force calculator) a brilliant app for forcing any number much better than using toxic force and looks exactly the same as the apple calculator....
I then tell the spectator he or she is going to create a large random number, I ask the spectator to call out a 4 digit number, this is imputed into the calculator and then I press the times button and ask for another 4 digit number, I press the equals button and your force number appears on the screen (the forced number is the serial number on the five pound note) then either get the spectator to write down the number or just leave the phone on the table with the number showing. I then ask the spectator to look at my predictions and they automatically pick up the business card that says ďto see my predictions open the £5....
When they do they see Winston Churchill and the matching serial number..obviously you can do the reveal however you want. This has been getting me fantastic reactions
I hope all that makes sense [/quote]

The Force Calculator is good, however, it doesnít add a comma after 4 digits.
Message: Posted by: Bob777 (Jul 23, 2018 05:25AM)
Late to the thread but this is certainly a worker with endless possibilities. When Nick showed it to me back in February I was disappointed that there was no android version. As soon as I heard there was an android version it was a must. I am loving the adaptations of how to use it that people are creating especially Sean's version (simplymagicweb). The reactions to this tool are immense. Congratulations Nick (and Craig).
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jul 23, 2018 07:51AM)
I use this all the time just when out and about. My fountain drinks were free at the gas station this weekend because of it. Hey, I'll take it.

And the suggestion about also using Cheese Smile above? Hmm... I'm curious how it would go. That could be fun.

And now I gotta try the celebrity thing mentioned above. What's the segue to having them pick a number? Is the trick that it's a cool coincidence? Or "in tune minds"? Trying to see how to play it.
Message: Posted by: otreboR (Jul 27, 2018 03:30AM)
I just bought the app.
It's nice you can translate the words in the notes app into your own language.
Is there also a way to change the names of the apps you swipe through or at least the name of the app "Notes"?
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Aug 17, 2018 12:08PM)
Bought! Love it. 10/10
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 17, 2018 12:21PM)
[quote]On Jul 27, 2018, otreboR wrote:
I just bought the app.
It's nice you can translate the words in the notes app into your own language.
Is there also a way to change the names of the apps you swipe through or at least the name of the app "Notes"? [/quote]

Why would you want to change the name of the notes app? It's there because that is what the native notes app looks like and is named. Or is that app name in a different language on your device (assuming you're not using a US/English language device).
Message: Posted by: j100taylor (Aug 17, 2018 02:11PM)
A great presentation on the Jerx (not for everyone) http://www.thejerx.com/blog/2018/8/6/dirty-app-magic
Message: Posted by: The_Mediocre_Gatsby (Aug 17, 2018 02:25PM)
I'll second j100 on that. I used that presentation with a group of friends the other day and we were dying laughing.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 17, 2018 03:06PM)
[quote]On Feb 8, 2018, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
As I said it all depends on whether you want fantastic reactions in the moment or a long term cooler. As a magician people know we use tricks. If an hour later a spectator thinks they know how you did one or two of them itís not a major problem, you did your job and you entertained them in the moment. People will often try and backtrack and some will come up with credible theories. As a mentalist you do t have the same visual flash bank whiz of a magician and so it all hinges on your credibility.

My girlfriend isnít a typical magicians girlfriend who knows lots of methods. We havenít been together that long and I donít practice on her. She has been to one of my gigs and she came to lads with me where we hung out in the bar. She watched the trailer with me and her initial reaction was a typical laymanís reaction. Around 10 minutes later she had figured out the method completely and the only thing that she got wrong was that she thought it was voice activated. My gut feeling and all of my experience of working to laymen is that she is the norm rather than the exception.

Cypher sells with a similar force/reveal for a lottery ticket. Funny enough the effect that is taught with Cipher is version 1 of my effect Numbers. I rejected version 1 straight away because as incredible as the reactions were in my testing when I pushed my non magician friends to offer a solution 100% of them surmised that the number must have been forced, because I used their phone they didnít know how but the general consensus was that the sum was always going to add up to that number no matter what they input. The current version that uses the force number as a starting point gets equal reactions but that same test group could not offer even a single method.

The tool is exactly what it is supposed to be, a digital force bag. Itís very well put together and has a great input method. Tarim is 100% spot on that Occams Razor takes you straight to app . Thatís not the apps fault it is up to the performer to layer and structure logical disconnects.

Mark [/quote]

Love that routine, Numbers. Super deceptive having that portion after the force. I do use Cipher for it though, so that I gain the extra bits of info that I can use for other things on another occasion when I see the same person/people again.
Message: Posted by: otreboR (Aug 17, 2018 04:27PM)
[quote]On Aug 17, 2018, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Jul 27, 2018, otreboR wrote:
I just bought the app.
It's nice you can translate the words in the notes app into your own language.
Is there also a way to change the names of the apps you swipe through or at least the name of the app "Notes"? [/quote]

Why would you want to change the name of the notes app? It's there because that is what the native notes app looks like and is named. Or is that app name in a different language on your device (assuming you're not using a US/English language device). [/quote]

Yep! Different language.
It's a small thing and would pass by most spectators, but it would be nice if this could be made possible.
Message: Posted by: sharpace (Aug 18, 2018 03:00PM)
Beside the internet connection. What is different between this app with Inject Ďs Stanford list.

Thank you
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Aug 18, 2018 03:50PM)
Stanford is the 1 from 10 prediction/force right? In that case,the main difference is 90...

With the Inject force you are changing the picture to match their chosen number. If you wanted a different force you'd need ten different pictures ready, not something you can do on the fly. DFB you can change the force item between performances or even mid group if you wanted to.
Message: Posted by: sharpace (Aug 18, 2018 10:05PM)
Thanks for your reply. I will order it and try.
Message: Posted by: Craig333 (Aug 19, 2018 01:12PM)
Last time I read this thread it was an iso app only so really glad it gave it another look to catch the android update... bought it this second, great app

[quote]On Aug 17, 2018, j100taylor wrote:
A great presentation on the Jerx (not for everyone) http://www.thejerx.com/blog/2018/8/6/dirty-app-magic [/quote]

hahaha oh man that is funny.
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Aug 19, 2018 01:46PM)
Already performed 5 times, what a perfect app.
Message: Posted by: Greg Rostami (Aug 19, 2018 05:29PM)
[quote]On Aug 18, 2018, MazingMandy wrote:
Stanford is the 1 from 10 prediction/force right? In that case,the main difference is 90...

With the Inject force you are changing the picture to match their chosen number. If you wanted a different force you'd need ten different pictures ready, not something you can do on the fly. DFB you can change the force item between performances or even mid group if you wanted to. [/quote]
Minor correction ... it's 12 items, not 10. ;)
You are correct. You would need to create 12 different images if you wanted to force something else.

Inject allows you to create as many effects as you like. So if the magician wanted to create several presets for different types of effects, they can have them all ready before the start of any performance.
(And it doesn't have to be 12 items. It can be as many items as you like).

Greg
Message: Posted by: Billybonkers (Aug 19, 2018 07:33PM)
Just a quick question, how easy is it to transfer the app when you buy a new phone?
Message: Posted by: tomd (Aug 19, 2018 07:38PM)
The app will be purchased and saved to your Apple/google account, so as long as you don't switch OS platforms (Apple to android or vice versa) then all you need to do is log into your account when you get a new phone, and re-download at no cost.

If you switch platforms, you have to re-buy the app at full price. The same goes for any other app.
Message: Posted by: Billybonkers (Aug 19, 2018 07:41PM)
[quote]On Aug 19, 2018, tomd wrote:
The app will be purchased and saved to your Apple/google account, so as long as you don't switch OS platforms (Apple to android or vice versa) then all you need to do is log into your account when you get a new phone, and re-download at no cost.

If you switch platforms, you have to re-buy the app at full price. The same goes for any other app. [/quote]


Thanks for the explanation Tom
Message: Posted by: tomd (Aug 19, 2018 07:43PM)
No worries mate
Message: Posted by: MDantes (Sep 8, 2018 07:06PM)
Iím 2 steps away from purchasing this.

I imagine you could use Murreyís I-Cal work to obtain the numbers covertly. Gregory Wilsonís exact change would be amazing with this too!
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Sep 8, 2018 07:46PM)
I use this all the time. The best app I own. You just gotta get it.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Sep 8, 2018 08:36PM)
I second what Nathan said.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Sep 9, 2018 06:50AM)
[quote]On Sep 8, 2018, MDantes wrote:
Iím 2 steps away from purchasing this.

I imagine you could use Murreyís I-Cal work to obtain the numbers covertly. Gregory Wilsonís exact change would be amazing with this too! [/quote]

How would you use exact change with this? I can't see how you would use the two together?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 9, 2018 06:57AM)
ďMany a good trick is killed by improvement ď Al Baker.

KISS.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Sep 9, 2018 05:47PM)
For those not on the FB group please note there is now an update for the iOS version of the app which will improve your experience further.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Sep 9, 2018 06:37PM)
NICE! I just updated...
Message: Posted by: warren (Sep 10, 2018 05:13PM)
Saddened to hear us Android users won't be getting an upgrade as it's not worth it financially for Nick to make unfortunately.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 11, 2018 12:22AM)
Thanks Nick, thatís excellent news.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 11, 2018 12:40AM)
ANDROID APP UPDATE!
Craig Squires and myself (Nick) did not really want to go in to too much detail but appreciate that Android users are curious as to if and when an Android update would be ready.

This is the open, honest and frank reality.

It is always a speculative risk making an App. The cost of development is many thousands of pounds.

After the iOS release we received many Android requests with comments such as ďAndroid are 50% of the app marketĒ and ďYou are missing out on businessĒ ďWhy are you not making it available for AndroidĒ ďItís not fairĒ etc.

After careful consideration and advise telling us to stay clear of Android Apps, even though we were under no obligation, we decided to take the risk and invest in an Android version so the Android magic community could benefit from DFB too.

Many thousands of pounds later we had a identical DFB to the iOS version.

Compared to iOS, sales were frankly disappointing. And here is the most frustrating thing, Despite our attempt to make it un-copyable, within days our IP and App were pirated and offered for sale off the Google Play store without our consent.

It is impossible for us to know who or how many have pirated copies but we do know from sales figures that it makes no commercial sense whatsoever for us to pay many hundreds/thousands of pounds to update an app that will simply be pirated again within days.

We live in a world where digital theft is seen as a victimless crime. It is not. It has cost us personally a lot of money. We wont make the same mistake again.

THE GOOD NEWS :
The Android version of DFB is still as awesome as it was a week ago! It delivers exactly what it promised to.

THE BAD NEWS:
Sadly we have to protect our own financial and business interests ahead of the relatively small number of genuine customers who would benefit from this update.

We know it is frustrating for Android users, but we have taken the joint decision that will be no further Android updates for the foreseeable future.

Unlike Google Play, Apple protect apps in a way which means that developers/owners of Apps are not left open to rogue traders.

Whilst disappointing we hope you will appreciate the reasons why Android users are not likely to be getting the same updates as iOS users from this point on.

Nick & Craig Squires
Message: Posted by: warren (Sep 11, 2018 02:01AM)
The part that I find confusing is that whilst Nick says one of the reasons its not worth updating for Android users is because of finance and yet he's given the Iphone users the update for free.....As frustrating as it is I'm just happy we have it on Android again....but just to put it out there I would be happy to pay for an upgrade even though others have it for free.
Message: Posted by: Lseeyou (Sep 11, 2018 02:40AM)
Warren can I ask you this: why don't you contact Nick & Craig so you can invest in the Android version, probably make a quid and they too.

but let me warn you... in business if you don't have sales, thereís no business - simple as that.

Cheers
Message: Posted by: videoman (Sep 11, 2018 02:51AM)
Seemed to become a financial issue mainly due to the easy pirating of Android apps.
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Sep 11, 2018 07:50AM)
Well this is very disappointing as I own both IPhone and a Sony Android

As I use the Android most of the Time, I waited for this to come out, only to find that it will no longer be supported

and while it does work fine at the moment, who knows what will happen when the next version of Android comes out

If I had known this was going to happen I would have purchased the IPhone version from the start,

I guess that is the one downside of Phone apps you never know whatís going to happen round the corner !
Message: Posted by: warren (Sep 11, 2018 10:13AM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2018, Martin.Lester wrote:
Well this is very disappointing as I own both IPhone and a Sony Android

As I use the Android most of the Time, I waited for this to come out, only to find that it will no longer be supported

and while it does work fine at the moment, who knows what will happen when the next version of Android comes out

If I had known this was going to happen I would have purchased the IPhone version from the start,

I guess that is the one downside of Phone apps you never know whatís going to happen round the corner ! [/quote]

That's an interesting point it looks like we're going to be left in the lurch unfortunately.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 11, 2018 10:23AM)
Iím still waiting for the windows version. :rotf:
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Sep 11, 2018 12:19PM)
I can see the creators point.
What's the use investing thousands for a platform where piracy is rife.
Message: Posted by: warren (Sep 11, 2018 02:55PM)
As long as the app we have on android now keeps working I'll still be happy as it's a great product and I can make do with what I have as Iphones just aren't for me.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Sep 11, 2018 03:48PM)
Disappointing indeed! Pirating is not the issue in my opinion as that could have been circumvented via subscription/licenses/etc. Just look at Inject and the E Apps!

Either way, it is their business model and they have no obligation to continue developing an app. However, since they decided not to update it, it is a fair game for any one else to use their idea on Android especially once the app stops working due to Android updates.

It had a good run on Android. It still works for now so that is good. It is just another lesson to not invest in any apps unless the track record is clear along with support.For example, in Android, Google for example promises support for its phone for 2 years. Beyond that it is fair game. They have supported beyond 2 years for some phones but not less. And even when they changed it, they gave time and leeway to directly affected phones. Buying the phone knowing it will only be supported for whatever time frame is enough for us to make a decision. With 99c apps, it would not matter much, but for performers paying premium price, not so much.

And the argument, 'get an iphone' is already old and pointless. Not everyone are willing to invest in another device or carry 2 phones. Funny that we make a big deal of one trick pony decks but, get an iphone so you can perform that one effect.

Next time someone releases an app, I hope they define their support period. At least that way, the investment can be assess as to whether it is worth it or not.

With all that said, I really hope Craig and Nick reconsider the Android version especially that they barely tapped into its potential with Android (and they cannot achieve the same with the iPhone).
Message: Posted by: JustJoshinMagic (Sep 11, 2018 07:45PM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2018, ash2arani wrote:
Disappointing indeed! Pirating is not the issue in my opinion as that could have been circumvented via subscription/licenses/etc. Just look at Inject and the E Apps!

Either way, it is their business model and they have no obligation to continue developing an app. However, since they decided not to update it, it is a fair game for any one else to use their idea on Android especially once the app stops working due to Android updates.

It had a good run on Android. It still works for now so that is good. It is just another lesson to not invest in any apps unless the track record is clear along with support.For example, in Android, Google for example promises support for its phone for 2 years. Beyond that it is fair game. They have supported beyond 2 years for some phones but not less. And even when they changed it, they gave time and leeway to directly affected phones. Buying the phone knowing it will only be supported for whatever time frame is enough for us to make a decision. With 99c apps, it would not matter much, but for performers paying premium price, not so much.

And the argument, 'get an iphone' is already old and pointless. Not everyone are willing to invest in another device or carry 2 phones. Funny that we make a big deal of one trick pony decks but, get an iphone so you can perform that one effect.

Next time someone releases an app, I hope they define their support period. At least that way, the investment can be assess as to whether it is worth it or not.

With all that said, I really hope Craig and Nick reconsider the Android version especially that they barely tapped into its potential with Android (and they cannot achieve the same with the iPhone). [/quote]

Devils advocate. Inject HAS had pirating issues when it comes to Android, and the E apps are web apps, which do have some limits traditional apps don't have.
Message: Posted by: tomd (Sep 11, 2018 08:09PM)
Nick & Craig's main help on the tech is Mark, who predominately focuses on IOS based apps. I'm actually surprised they even released an android version.

This isn't even a major update, it's just altered a couple of small things that have bothered a few of us for a while. Android users still have an amazing app, no need to switch over or buy a second phone for these small changes..

..but for all the other apps available on Apple? If you're a pro I think you should at least consider getting a second phone (second hand of course). We all know the amazing apps Mark has produced, but the little known app "iTHUMP" is one of the most powerful apps available. It also directly highlights the weaknesses with web apps (in comparison to native Apple apps), as its essentially cipher... but infinitely better in every way. its my favourite app and I will never convert to android purely because it exists.

100% a business investment for the future. Apple is just very magic app friendly unfortunately.

For the hobbiest or the man who only has an interest in DFB/inject? Stick to android if you prefer it.
Message: Posted by: warec (Sep 12, 2018 06:00AM)
I agree that iThump is the best app on the market. And nobody really knows it...
Message: Posted by: mentalspoon (Sep 13, 2018 12:36PM)
Shame about android magic ;0(
Message: Posted by: CliveHyams (Sep 14, 2018 03:26PM)
Just buy an iPod touch if you canít afford an iPhone . Then never update the software by iOS and all the apps will always work . iPhones are the best for apps and the best for avoiding piracy , I too am surprised Nick even bothered pandering to the android market , I wouldnít have done :)
Message: Posted by: warren (Sep 14, 2018 04:47PM)
[quote]On Sep 14, 2018, CliveHyams wrote:
Just buy an iPod touch if you canít afford an iPhone . Then never update the software by iOS and all the apps will always work . iPhones are the best for apps and the best for avoiding piracy , I too am surprised Nick even bothered pandering to the android market , I wouldnít have done :) [/quote]

It's lucky for us Android users that you didn't have a say in the matter then ;-)

Personally I don't use app magic much and have just 3 apps in total with DFB being the one I use the most, for that alone I have considered switching over to the iphone however when I check out the reviews every time the Samsung S9 comes out on top overall and is cheaper to boot not to mention that they are just easier to use when it comes down to downloading music etc so I guess I'll hold off making any decisions for a bit longer yet.
Message: Posted by: CliveHyams (Sep 14, 2018 04:55PM)
I only have DFB , wiki test , ithump , iforce and Racaan by Greg Rostami . ithump is by far the best of the lot and probably the least known . Downloading music is simple on iPhone , go to iTunes pay 99p and its done . I find android users cheap skates and pirates by large , and they reap what they sew in the long run :)
Message: Posted by: warren (Sep 14, 2018 05:04PM)
[quote]On Sep 14, 2018, CliveHyams wrote:
I only have DFB , wiki test , ithump , iforce and Racaan by Greg Rostami . ithump is by far the best of the lot and probably the least known . Downloading music is simple on iPhone , go to iTunes pay 99p and its done . I find android users cheap skates and pirates by large , and they reap what they sew in the long run :) [/quote]

Wow 4 posts and already insulting people.... that's that conversation over with :)
Message: Posted by: CliveHyams (Sep 14, 2018 05:08PM)
Warren itís not insulting itís just the reality of things in this day and age and itís wrong . I would never ever do it so if I am insulting anyone itís only the guilty :)
Message: Posted by: DrRob (Sep 14, 2018 05:09PM)
Clive Hyams
Im on android as its a far superior technology than apple - take a look at the Hydrogen One smartphone there is NO WAY apple will make a phone that is Niche they are products for the sheep and not the wolves or as you call us pirates !

Drink up me hearties Yo Ho is all I have to say

Dr Rob
Message: Posted by: warren (Sep 14, 2018 05:13PM)
[quote]On Sep 14, 2018, CliveHyams wrote:
I find android users cheap skates and pirates by large , and they reap what they sew in the long run :) [/quote]

If you don't think that what you wrote here isn't insulting allow me to assure that it most definitely is......just what the Cafť needs not !!
Message: Posted by: CliveHyams (Sep 14, 2018 05:19PM)
I donít think it is as I know so many non iPhone users who copy music etc and downloads for free . I think itís wrong and should be stamped out and itís a glitch in their
( androids ) software that they do nothing about . I find iPhone users are not looking to cut corners and are happy to pay , from my experience itís a far easier platform to write apps on . Marc Kerstein will verify this all day long :)
Message: Posted by: warren (Sep 14, 2018 05:25PM)
Clive your just ignorant and rude calling people cheapskates just because they prefer to use Android, it sounds to me like its just the people who you hang around with if that's what your basing your rudeness on which says a lot more about you than it does us Android users so please don't tarnish us all with the same brush.
Message: Posted by: CliveHyams (Sep 14, 2018 05:33PM)
Warren you are the exception rather than the rule then . Did you read Nicks post in this thread as to why he will no longer update on android ? If you did then you will realise I am just also reiterating his findings Clive :)
Message: Posted by: videoman (Sep 14, 2018 06:21PM)
I don't believe Nick said MOST Android users were pirating his app, just that it appears some do.
Like anything, it's a tiny few that ruin it for the whole bunch.

Clive, I think your generalizations are not only inaccurate but way out of line. You shouldn't base opinions entirely on your own experiences. It is only one factor in reaching an opinion.
And I am an iPhone user BTW.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 15, 2018 01:00AM)
This about sums up android users imo.

https://youtu.be/jdWT8e8CUDM
Message: Posted by: CliveHyams (Sep 15, 2018 03:56AM)
Excellent Pegsasus very funny and sums androids up beautifully . To Videomans point itís not everyone but I disagree with just a few as I canít remember many friends buying any music they have on the androids simply because whenever I have mentioned paying for a 99p track on iTunes they tell me they just download for free on an android phone work around . Anyway I think if you are a magician who wants to do app based magic iPhones are a must . I personally do own a few apps but very rarely use in a paid performance expect DFB or ithump on a handful of occasions :) . If it wasnít happening a lot Nick would not be discontinuing upgrading the android app right ?
Message: Posted by: AJ MAJIC (Sep 15, 2018 11:23AM)
Just as long as the darn thing does't break with future Android upgrades, I'll be happy.
Lot's of apps don't break with upgrades, hopefully this one isn't affected.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Sep 15, 2018 11:55AM)
Ha, that video is funny, and I'm an Android guy. Love it.

I'm just super appreciate for the app. I paid for the app the way it was, not for making it better. I can't see how it would stop working anyhow. My favorite app. Although yes, I'd still love wikitest on Android. But until then, this takes the Cake.
Message: Posted by: AJ MAJIC (Sep 15, 2018 12:07PM)
I loved morph by Promystic and that one broke after an upgrade :-( never to be seen again.
Message: Posted by: CliveHyams (Sep 15, 2018 01:55PM)
Just buy an iPod touch and never upgrade the iOS software and they work forever . Try the the upgrade on your iPhone X and if it works great , if not you still have it on the iPod touch as long as you donít try to upgrade. Thatís my 2 cents anyway :)
Message: Posted by: magicmarcuk (Sep 16, 2018 04:42AM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2018, tomd wrote:
Nick & Craig's main help on the tech is Mark, who predominately focuses on IOS based apps. I'm actually surprised they even released an android version.
[/quote]

(To clarify, I only developed the iOS version of DFB. I have nothing to do with the Android version, nor Nick & Craigís decision.)
Message: Posted by: warren (Sep 16, 2018 05:21AM)
[quote]On Sep 14, 2018, CliveHyams wrote:
Warren you are the exception rather than the rule then . Did you read Nicks post in this thread as to why he will no longer update on android ? If you did then you will realise I am just also reiterating his findings Clive :) [/quote]

Actually I did read Nick's post and I got the impression that what he was saying is that Iphone or IOS whichever it is happens to be are better protected against theft not that Android users were cheapskates you came up with that insult all on your own.

Personally when I buy music I buy CD's and then I copy them over onto my phone, I believe IPhone users do the same ie the copy it over to Itunes and then on to their phones you can see tutorials on youtube showing it by these saint like IPhone users.

Here's an idea how about giving us an apology for painting us all with the same brush as your friends instead of joining a magic forum and insulting a great number of the forums users ?
Message: Posted by: CliveHyams (Sep 16, 2018 03:50PM)
I donít, I buy it direct on iTunes and burn it onto a disc from my Mac. Money has never ever been an issue with me in my life so I take the best course of action that suits me. You may well be ethical Warren but there is far for more protection with the iOS market and thatís just a fact of life . Androids can and still will always be abused and I have always found itís the poorer end of our society who tend to do this :)
Message: Posted by: warren (Sep 16, 2018 04:20PM)
[quote]On Sep 16, 2018, CliveHyams wrote:
I donít, I buy it direct on iTunes and burn it onto a disc from my Mac. Money has never ever been an issue with me in my life so I take the best course of action that suits me. You may well be ethical Warren but there is far for more protection with the iOS market and thatís just a fact of life . Androids can and still will always be abused and I have always found itís the poorer end of our society who tend to do this :) [/quote]

You have totally ignored the point of my reply ie Nick didn't say Android users were cheapskates it was you that called us all cheapskates, he just stated that IOS is better protected which I didn't say I disagreed with so you saying there is far more protection with IOS is pointless as I didn't say that it didn't have more protection than Android.

With regards to how you download music what your doing is exactly the same as myself and the majority of Android users that you insulted only in reverse, for the record I have owned an Iphone however it just wasn't for me and I got rid of it after 1 week, with Android when out and about if there's a song I like I can download it on the spot I don't have to wait until I'm home and mess about with Itunes etc and that was just one issue I had.
Personally I like Samsung phones as they are simple and easy to use whilst at the same time being one of the best phones on the market my wife has just had a Samsung S9 phone that beat the iphone X in most reviews that I saw on youtube, that said if for any reason DFB stops working on Android then I might switch over to the Iphone X however that is a very big might.

I still believe you to be a very rude individual having just joined the Cafť and insulted a good number of it's members, I offered you a chance to redeem yourself for your actions by way of an apology however you've chosen to ignore it and so for the sake of the thread I'm just going to ignore you as your far to rude an individual for my liking.

Just to put the thread back on track I'd just like to say that DFB is a fantastic app with or without the updates and we're just lucky that Nick and Craig chose to release this to the magic community......well done on a great product.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 16, 2018 04:53PM)
Because the reviews were by fandroids, thatís why.
Message: Posted by: CliveHyams (Sep 16, 2018 05:45PM)
I buy the iTunes tunes on my Mac and you are allowed to transfer from iOS to iOS so why are you digging yourself such a hole Warren ? Do what you like but I will do it the correct way set out by iOS . You bat around the Android workaround I really donít care one iota :)
Message: Posted by: Wardy (Sep 16, 2018 08:12PM)
This is a fantastic app. Glad I have it on my android. Great reactions in conjunction with Rainbow.
Well done Nick, sorry about the pirates, but I can probably guess which country they're based in.
Message: Posted by: no2ss (Sep 16, 2018 11:23PM)
Had been on the verge of purchasing this, but am an Android user, so now back on the fence. My worry is not so much that the app isn't good, but that if it's no longer going to be updated, seems much more likely to break on updates and also would miss out on other features/improvements that iOS users get. I totally understand the reasoning, and it's Nick's app so he is obviously free to do what he wants with it, but now I'm back on the fence about it. Is there any word on whether the app will at least be maintained to the point that it won't break in the future?
Message: Posted by: CliveHyams (Sep 17, 2018 01:43AM)
Just remember the app is fantastic as it is iOS or android . Therefore set your phone so updates are not automatic and it must always work in its current brilliant form . I actually as experiment used it in conjunction with Sven Pad yesterday at a gig and it may have been a bit over kill but the reactions were incredible :)
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Sep 17, 2018 04:16AM)
[quote]On Sep 16, 2018, no2ss wrote:
Had been on the verge of purchasing this, but am an Android user, so now back on the fence. My worry is not so much that the app isn't good, but that if it's no longer going to be updated, seems much more likely to break on updates and also would miss out on other features/improvements that iOS users get. I totally understand the reasoning, and it's Nick's app so he is obviously free to do what he wants with it, but now I'm back on the fence about it. Is there any word on whether the app will at least be maintained to the point that it won't break in the future? [/quote]

I would hope that were an Android update to break the app then it would be fixed. I don't mind not having the newest update on Android, the app I paid for still works wonderfully without the extra bells and whistles. Some apps get worst with updates ( Marty anyone?)
Message: Posted by: CliveHyams (Sep 17, 2018 02:31PM)
Donít upgrade then Mandy I didnít on Marty on my iPod touch at its works exactly as it did from the start :)
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Sep 17, 2018 02:37PM)
The updates usually involve security patches (not just new version) and if used as a daily driver, not updating can be an issue.

If the device is dedicated for magic apps (like your iPod touch), then not a problem.
Message: Posted by: CliveHyams (Sep 17, 2018 03:23PM)
Yes its dedicated I never update it . I try it in on the iPhone X and a lot update and work but I keep the bare bones on the iPad touch just incase and it never fails . Even all my fabrice delaure effects still work a charm on that :)
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Sep 19, 2018 04:23AM)
Has Clive been banned already?
Message: Posted by: tomd (Sep 19, 2018 05:51AM)
He's the second person with the same punctuation and typing style to get banned in the last 2 weeks. I think they are all Tarik in disguise
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Sep 19, 2018 07:49AM)
Why was Tarik banned? He seemed like a good guy, or did I miss something? I can never keep up with this stuff. I know Jamie and Karl we're fake.
Message: Posted by: warren (Sep 19, 2018 11:03AM)
[quote]On Sep 19, 2018, MazingMandy wrote:
Has Clive been banned already? [/quote]


One can only hope....he's definitely one of the rudest most arrogant people to post on the Cafť in the last month or so haha
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 19, 2018 12:57PM)
And C Suite magic. That is the best cafŤ news ever.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Sep 19, 2018 01:12PM)
So who are all these people, these fake accounts, and what's the speculation on why they'd post here? Are they all related?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 19, 2018 01:28PM)
It appeared to me that they were fanboys for particular sellers on here, boosting their posts. Etc.
Message: Posted by: warren (Sep 19, 2018 01:45PM)
[quote]On Sep 19, 2018, pegasus wrote:
It appeared to me that they were fanboys for particular sellers on here, boosting their posts. Etc. [/quote]

Possibly but that doesn't make sense on this particular thread as Nick's APP doesn't need it as it's a definite winner, I don't think I've heard one negative review for it.... With Nick you can more or less just buy anything he puts his name to without even seeing the effect and know your going to get something that's very good and practical for the working magician.
Message: Posted by: Palace510 (Sep 19, 2018 02:02PM)
Great app by Nick love it.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 19, 2018 02:29PM)
[quote]On Sep 19, 2018, warren wrote:
[quote]On Sep 19, 2018, pegasus wrote:
It appeared to me that they were fanboys for particular sellers on here, boosting their posts. Etc. [/quote]

Possibly but that doesn't make sense on this particular thread as Nick's APP doesn't need it as it's a definite winner, I don't think I've heard one negative review for it.... With Nick you can more or less just buy anything he puts his name to without even seeing the effect and know your going to get something that's very good and practical for the working magician. [/quote]

No, definitely not for Nick.
Message: Posted by: matsam (Sep 19, 2018 06:45PM)
Great app, recently purchased on Android. No complaints on the business model decision, seems like a rational move.
Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Matti Kaki (Sep 29, 2018 11:35AM)
Nick, I am really thrilled about the DFB. I went to the Apple Store and was buying it BUT the price in euro is much more than in USD. When I look the app here https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/digital-force-bag/id1318230573?mt=8 it is $35.99 (abt 31Ä) but here in Finland it costs 39.99Ä which equals approx USD46.50. Why the euro price is that much more expensive?
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Oct 1, 2018 02:37AM)
[quote]On Sep 29, 2018, Matti Kaki wrote:
Nick, I am really thrilled about the DFB. I went to the Apple Store and was buying it BUT the price in euro is much more than in USD. When I look the app here https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/digital-force-bag/id1318230573?mt=8 it is $35.99 (abt 31Ä) but here in Finland it costs 39.99Ä which equals approx USD46.50. Why the euro price is that much more expensive? [/quote]

Hi. As you can imagine we have nothing to do with the price other than setting the UK price. Everything else is automatic and Apple takes into account country taxes VAT etc.
That is the reason for the fluctuation in price. But it is still worth it so donít not buy it for the sake of $10. It is too good to miss.
The exchange rate is terrible at the moment. It all makes a difference.
Message: Posted by: Matti Kaki (Oct 1, 2018 02:45AM)
Thanks, Nick. Yes, I'm sure it is worth the money.
Message: Posted by: Alex McFly (Oct 2, 2018 04:38AM)
In my opinion the best iPhone trick at the moment. It's very variable. I use it a lot in connection with a song prediction. And for the spectator it's very amazing when the song runs on his mobile phone.
Message: Posted by: Craigers (Jan 5, 2019 03:57PM)
This thread combined with the Trick of the Year Thread is not doing my new year resolution to not buy any new stuff any good at all. A bit late to the party but my credit card is wildly twitching and calling to me to be used. The only thing that's holding me back is that I'm a phone app virgin and I'm afraid specs will see this as a technology feat rather than magic or mentalism. Reading through this thread that doesn't appear to be the case, but any (further) thoughts on this are welcome. Go on......help me to spend money I'm not supposed to be spending !!
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jan 5, 2019 04:21PM)
Probably one of the easiest a apps to use ever made. It does one thing, very well. Thatís the beauty of this. For example I love another app called inject. And that app can do nearly anything but because of that has a somewhat steep learning curve (but very worth it). DFB is stupid simple the use and the facebook group is very helpful with ideas and such.
Message: Posted by: chuds (Jan 5, 2019 05:06PM)
This is a brilliant App, itís always with you and ready to go. Fantastic value for money!
Message: Posted by: amirb401 (Jan 6, 2019 01:22AM)
Such a great utility, I have been using it ever since I bought it!
I only wish the latest updates the iphone version got would come to android aswell.
I know the problems and seen Nick post on the facebook page, but I cant help to want the so awesome updates on my phone aswell haha!
nevertheless this is a great purchase. one of the best I had in 2018
Message: Posted by: warren (Jan 6, 2019 04:30AM)
As long as the app works personally I'm not fussed about the updates.
Message: Posted by: Craig Petty (Jan 6, 2019 04:37AM)
My friend Tiffany is doing a 365 Challenge on her YouTube Channel. A new video every day for a year!

Day one was DFB which kinda shows how awesome she thinks it is.

Hereís the link to her performance

https://youtu.be/dXaJWk6dKW8
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 6, 2019 04:37AM)
The updates have made a big difference imo.
Message: Posted by: SomersetMagi (Jan 6, 2019 05:35AM)
It will win trick of the year imho
Message: Posted by: otreboR (Jan 6, 2019 05:39AM)
I am still hoping there will be an update where you change the name ("Notes") of the app into the correct language.
Message: Posted by: mrmagic0 (Jan 6, 2019 06:36AM)
I use this app more than inject, WikiTest, or any other of the apps I have
Ron
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 6, 2019 09:31AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2019, mrmagic0 wrote:
I use this app more than inject, WikiTest, or any other of the apps I have
Ron [/quote]

Because it fulfills the 1st principle of magic which is Ďkeep it as simple as possible.í
Message: Posted by: Craigers (Jan 6, 2019 12:13PM)
[quote]On Sep 14, 2018, CliveHyams wrote:
I only have DFB , wiki test , ithump , iforce and Racaan by Greg Rostami . ithump is by far the best of the lot and probably the least known . Downloading music is simple on iPhone , go to iTunes pay 99p and its done . I find android users cheap skates and pirates by large , and they reap what they sew in the long run :) [/quote]

Who is this guy ? is he for real ? Used to have an iphone but much prefer my Samsung and I would not call myself a cheapskate or pirate !! Thanks for the posts above !! One new year resolution about to be broken.
Message: Posted by: Craigers (Jan 6, 2019 02:07PM)
Hehe. Purchased. One new year resolution down the Swannee. guess that means I can escape the gym tomorrow and eat chocolate in January !!
Message: Posted by: warren (Jan 6, 2019 03:40PM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2019, Craigers wrote:
[quote]On Sep 14, 2018, CliveHyams wrote:
I only have DFB , wiki test , ithump , iforce and Racaan by Greg Rostami . ithump is by far the best of the lot and probably the least known . Downloading music is simple on iPhone , go to iTunes pay 99p and its done . I find android users cheap skates and pirates by large , and they reap what they sew in the long run :) [/quote]

Who is this guy ? is he for real ? Used to have an iphone but much prefer my Samsung and I would not call myself a cheapskate or pirate !! Thanks for the posts above !! One new year resolution about to be broken. [/quote]

I had the same conversation the blokes just trying to wind people up from behind his keyboard ha ha
Message: Posted by: Oil&Water (Jan 6, 2019 04:39PM)
I agree with Pegasus on this, that is the most widely used app as itís super easy and does one job amazingly well.
I also liked mental picture for the same reasons but it was a shame Gee magic failed to keep up with the iOS updates so it no longer works due to screen size issues etc. Olly
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Jan 7, 2019 04:08AM)
I purchased this Last Year and Never Looked back well deserves Trick of the Year
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 7, 2019 12:32PM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2019, JackMagic wrote:
I purchased this Last Year and Never Looked back well deserves Trick of the Year [/quote]

I would suggest 99percent purchased it last year. Lol.
Message: Posted by: TheDirectionalist (Feb 13, 2019 11:49AM)
If for whatever reason you have not purchased this incredible app yet..

Allow me to give you some more incentive.. ;)

https://youtu.be/l9Cv3TZHtRc

This is a stage routine I developed using ONLY the DFB app. No pre-show or anything like that.
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Feb 13, 2019 02:10PM)
[quote]On Feb 13, 2019, TheDirectionalist wrote:
If for whatever reason you have not purchased this incredible app yet..

Allow me to give you some more incentive.. ;)

https://youtu.be/l9Cv3TZHtRc

This is a stage routine I developed using ONLY the DFB app. No pre-show or anything like that. [/quote]

Very interesting combination of principals in a nicely routined presentation. Thanks for sharing.
Message: Posted by: Elman1 (Feb 13, 2019 03:13PM)
[quote]On Feb 13, 2019, TheDirectionalist wrote:
If for whatever reason you have not purchased this incredible app yet..

Allow me to give you some more incentive.. ;)

https://youtu.be/l9Cv3TZHtRc

This is a stage routine I developed using ONLY the DFB app. No pre-show or anything like that. [/quote]

Great performance TheDirecrionalist. I really enjoyed this, to steal from Bukowski, I see where God made lots of magicians but not so many entertainers, you are both! Nice work.
Message: Posted by: magicbrady (Feb 13, 2019 03:31PM)
Nice presentation!
Message: Posted by: MagicMax20 (Feb 14, 2019 03:11AM)
Little idea that I hope you will like : you could use it with Cube to Chocolate by Henry Harrius and pretend you messed up with your prediction because you have a cube and then change the cube into smarties.
Message: Posted by: yoyomagic (Feb 14, 2019 06:06AM)
EXCLUSIVE!!!!

Coming to the famous Blackpool Convention? Sadly Nick will no longer be there in person but please pop over to the Einhorn booth and say hi!

The ENHORN booth will be next to the lovely Propdog guys. We have a small quantity of an item you will definitely want to use with DFB.

Rainbow is a reveal you can always carry on you and which leaves the spectator with a memory long after you have left.
We have had a small batch of bespoke Higar Rainbow gimmicks produced. Our two images you will not be able to purchase anywhere else in the world.
This is my absolute favourite trick and as it is thin enough to fit in my phone case/wallet/pocket I will never be without a miracle again!
Visit the booth to find out more and see a live demo.
Make this a priority as we really don't have many and expect to sell out quickly.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Feb 14, 2019 08:43AM)
[quote]On Feb 13, 2019, TheDirectionalist wrote:
If for whatever reason you have not purchased this incredible app yet..

Allow me to give you some more incentive.. ;)

https://youtu.be/l9Cv3TZHtRc

This is a stage routine I developed using ONLY the DFB app. No pre-show or anything like that. [/quote]

Okay, I guess I need to read this entire thread but I didnít hear Nicole tell you her number. What am I missing?

I purchased DFB (iOS) on Sunday and actually performed it at the local IBM meeting the next evening (Celebrity and Grocery item in same photo prediction on the spectatorís phone). It went over VERY well, even among a room of magicians, most of them were not familiar with the effect (yet).

But I guess I need to do more reading of this thread, because, without knowing the spectatorís number I donít know how you did that awesome presentation.

Mark
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Feb 14, 2019 09:12AM)
Sorry for being a little cryptic, but trying to send clues without blatantly saying it. Let's just say that Nicole's reality and the camera's are not identical. Also, let's say there's a rather useful extension of a ploy being employed that was pioneered by the clever Dunninger. If you're familiar with the basics of mentalism, that should be enough to clue you in. ;-) Btw, nice routine, Dustin!
Message: Posted by: egoli (Feb 14, 2019 09:17AM)
[quote]On Feb 14, 2019, yoyomagic wrote:
EXCLUSIVE!!!!

Coming to the famous Blackpool Convention? Sadly Nick will no longer be there in person but please pop over to the Einhorn booth and say hi!

The ENHORN booth will be next to the lovely Propdog guys. We have a small quantity of an item you will definitely want to use with DFB.

Rainbow is a reveal you can always carry on you and which leaves the spectator with a memory long after you have left.
We have had a small batch of bespoke Higar Rainbow gimmicks produced. Our two images you will not be able to purchase anywhere else in the world.
This is my absolute favourite trick and as it is thin enough to fit in my phone case/wallet/pocket I will never be without a miracle again!
Visit the booth to find out more and see a live demo.
Make this a priority as we really don't have many and expect to sell out quickly. [/quote]

Sent you a PM
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Feb 14, 2019 09:19AM)
[quote]On Feb 14, 2019, sgtgrey wrote:
Sorry for being a little cryptic, but trying to send clues without blatantly saying it. Let's just say that Nicole's reality and the camera's are not identical. Also, let's say there's a rather useful extension of a ploy being employed that was pioneered by the clever Dunninger. If you're familiar with the basics of mentalism, that should be enough to clue you in. ;-) Btw, nice routine, Dustin! [/quote]

Yes, I caught the part where Dustin said to read everything around her chosen number. I presume darkness was included. The part that threw me was Dustinís lack of knowing her number. Camera tricks.

Mark
Message: Posted by: TheDirectionalist (Feb 14, 2019 09:45AM)
[quote]On Feb 14, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Feb 14, 2019, sgtgrey wrote:
Sorry for being a little cryptic, but trying to send clues without blatantly saying it. Let's just say that Nicole's reality and the camera's are not identical. Also, let's say there's a rather useful extension of a ploy being employed that was pioneered by the clever Dunninger. If you're familiar with the basics of mentalism, that should be enough to clue you in. ;-) Btw, nice routine, Dustin! [/quote]

Yes, I caught the part where Dustin said to read everything around her chosen number. I presume darkness was included. The part that threw me was Dustinís lack of knowing her number. Camera tricks.

Mark [/quote]

Hey Mark!

No camera tricks here. :)

I did share exactly how I accomplished this routine on the Facebook group!

Thanks for the kind words everyone! DFB is amazing and Iím sure we are just scratching the surface of what it can really accomplish..
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Feb 14, 2019 09:55AM)
[quote]On Feb 14, 2019, TheDirectionalist wrote:

Hey Mark!

No camera tricks here. :)

I did share exactly how I accomplished this routine on the Facebook group!

Thanks for the kind words everyone! DFB is amazing and Iím sure we are just scratching the surface of what it can really accomplish.. [/quote]

Thanks, Dustin. I've requested to join the Facebook group, hopefully I'll get approved today. Your routine is VERY powerful. Thanks!

Mark
Message: Posted by: MarvinSanRemo (Feb 14, 2019 01:15PM)
I love the app, but sadly, not all of us have FB. It would be nice if purchasers had another way in which to access ideas/discussions...

Also, some have mentioned how things don't line up with Samsung Galaxys. I have an S8. If I am performing for people I don't know, using their included screens are fine. But I cant really perform this for people that do know me, as most of the apps, and the look, can not be made to look like my phone. Having some more control over that would be nice...
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Feb 14, 2019 07:30PM)
Being able to customize the app icons on each screen would lift DFB from a 9.8 to a 12! Yes, please.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Craig333 (Feb 14, 2019 09:49PM)
[quote]On Feb 14, 2019, MarvinSanRemo wrote:
I love the app, but sadly, not all of us have FB. It would be nice if purchasers had another way in which to access ideas/discussions...

Also, some have mentioned how things don't line up with Samsung Galaxys. I have an S8. If I am performing for people I don't know, using their included screens are fine. But I cant really perform this for people that do know me, as most of the apps, and the look, can not be made to look like my phone. Having some more control over that would be nice... [/quote]

you should open a facebook account purely to follow and check on all the magic groups don't bother adding any friends etc... I used to be fanatical on facebook but now post very little and just use it to join/read all the magic groups, second hand magic stuff for sale and not to mention most dealers stream live videos weekly now so you are really missing out by avoiding it ;)

btw loved, loved, loved, your use of DFB TheDirectionalist super smart and inspiring ;)
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Feb 14, 2019 10:12PM)
I gained access to the Facebook group and found Dustin's message of explanation. Very clever! Thanks, Dustin!

Mark
Message: Posted by: cd5000 (Feb 15, 2019 03:49AM)
Just had a phone call from blackpool, it cost £175
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Feb 15, 2019 12:11PM)
Lots of great ideas popping up in the Facebook group. As Craig suggested, non Facebook users should open an account just to join the group and follow along. You don't have to post pictures of your family or photos of what you had for dinner last night. Set all privacy settings to maximum privacy and there's not much to worry about (never turn on Apps & Websites and NEVER install the Facebook Messenger app on your phone).

Mark
Message: Posted by: MarvinSanRemo (Feb 15, 2019 04:30PM)
Perhaps someone could post a few of the great ideas in Secret Sessions...I understand where you are coming from, but I stay as far away from FB as possible. Didn't trust them when he started it, still don't.
Message: Posted by: glennn (Feb 15, 2019 11:50PM)
I finally purchased this after being hesitant as I have an Android phone and I'd read that support/upgrades is limited for Android. Nevertheless, I'm happy with the product as is. Great idea, works well and lots of potential for creative minds.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 16, 2019 02:03AM)
Still my favourite to perform Marvin san remo.


[quote]On Mar 18, 2018, pegasus wrote:
My fave is the 100 top cities visited. Get the spec to open their google maps app. Type in the force City, whilst they hold the phone pointed toward you. They place their phone face down. Voila, the city they randomly chose matches. Similar to city prediction but far cleaner.

Hong Kong, China
Singapore
Bangkok, Thailand
London, United Kingdom
Paris, France
Macau
New York City, USA
Shenzhen, China
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Antalya, Turkey
Istanbul, Turkey
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Seoul, South Korea
Rome, Italy
Phuket, Thailand
Guangzhou, China
Mecca, Saudi Arabia
Pattaya, Thailand
Taipei, Taiwan
Miami, USA
Prague, Czech Republic
Shanghai, China
Las Vegas, USA
Milan, Italy
Barcelona, Spain
Moscow, Russia
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Vienna, Austria
Venice, Italy
Los Angeles, USA
Lima, Peru
Tokyo, Japan
Johannesburg, South Africa
Beijing, China
Sofia, Bulgaria
Orlando, USA
Berlin, Germany
Budapest, Hungary
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Florence, italy
Madrid, Spain
Warsaw, Poland
Doha, Qatar
Nairobi, Kenya
Delhi, india
Mumbai, India
Chennai, India
Mexico City, Mexico
Dublin, Ireland
San Francisco, USA
Hangzhou, China
Denpasar, Indonesia
St. Petersburg, Russia
Muğla, Turkey
Brussels, Belgium
Burgas, Bulgaria
Munich, Germany
Zhuhai, China
Sydney, Australia
Edirne, Turkey
Toronto, Canada
Lisbon, Portugal
Cancķn, Mexico
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Cairo, Egypt
Punta Cana, Domincan Republic
Suzhou, China
Djerba, Tunisia
Agra, India
Krakůw, Poland
Bucharest, Romania
Siem Reap, Cambodia
Jaipur, India
Honolulu, USA
Manama, Bahrain
Dammam, Saudi Arabia
Hanoi, Vietnam
Andorra la Vella, Andorra
Nice, France
ZŁrich, Switzerland
Jakarta, Indonesia
Manila, Philippines
Chiang Mai, Thailand
Marrakech, Morocco
Sharm el Sheikh, Egypt
Marne-La-Vallťe, France
Frankfurt, Germany
Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
Vancouver, Canada
Guilin, China
Melbourne, Australia
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Amman, Jordan
Sousse, Tunisia
Kiev, Ukraine
Sharjah, United Arab Emirates
Jeju Island, South Korea
Krabi, Thailand
Artvin, Turkey [/quote]
Message: Posted by: RvWort (Feb 17, 2019 07:20AM)
Purchased this product as well and its a great product!
Message: Posted by: yoyomagic (Feb 19, 2019 05:47AM)
Hi All

Blackpool was amazing so thank you to all those DFB users that came over to the stand and introduced themselves to me. Just to let you know we have a couple of our exclusive Rainbow reveal cards left over. Higar kindly made us The Leaning Tower Of Pisa & Colosseum and these specific Landmarks won't be available anywhere else. If you're interested in picking one of these up then the cost is £44.00 inc postage and packaging within the UK. We have very limited stock so if you would like one or both please email me at yoyomagic@me.com. We can send to other countries so when you email we will work out the shipping cost.

Regards

Craig
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 19, 2019 12:43PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2019, yoyomagic wrote:
Hi All

Blackpool was amazing so thank you to all those DFB users that came over to the stand and introduced themselves to me. Just to let you know we have a couple of our exclusive Rainbow reveal cards left over. Higar kindly made us The Leaning Tower Of Pisa & Colosseum and these specific Landmarks won't be available anywhere else. If you're interested in picking one of these up then the cost is £44.00 inc postage and packaging within the UK. We have very limited stock so if you would like one or both please email me at yoyomagic@me.com. We can send to other countries so when you email we will work out the shipping cost.

Regards

Craig [/quote]

Itís cheaper to order direct from seomagic. But thanks.

You receive the following for 47 Bucks.... and you use my country list (above) depending on which card you receive.

7 pictures, 1 gimmicked picture film, and 1 gimmicked card film (card face may vary.)
Message: Posted by: matt.magicman (Feb 19, 2019 04:47PM)
Are the The Leaning Tower Of Pisa & Colosseum more beneficial to the DFB app than the standard cards included in the original?
sorry if this is an obvious answer / silly question?
thanks in advance guys
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Feb 19, 2019 05:14PM)
[quote]On Feb 19, 2019, matt.magicman wrote:
Are the The Leaning Tower Of Pisa & Colosseum more beneficial to the DFB app than the standard cards included in the original?
sorry if this is an obvious answer / silly question?
thanks in advance guys [/quote]

Nope. No advantage at all, just very limited supply so all of your friends will not be predicting the same outcome!
Message: Posted by: matt.magicman (Feb 20, 2019 11:00AM)
Ok cool.
Do you get the playing card with it too?
Thanks again
Message: Posted by: rasp (Feb 20, 2019 01:21PM)
Pegasus is wrong.......... to buy direct it will cost £68 using the cheapest delivery option. The postage is virtually the same price as the product!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 20, 2019 03:25PM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2019, rasp wrote:
Pegasus is wrong.......... to buy direct it will cost £68 using the cheapest delivery option. The postage is virtually the same price as the product! [/quote]

Itís 48 GBP for the whole set including 1st class international postage.

You can also purchase 5 of the cards for 99 Bucks. 75 Pounds plus 18 Pounds postage.

So, not wrong at all am I Raspberry.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Feb 20, 2019 05:05PM)
Please post the link to both the product and international postage options.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Feb 20, 2019 09:27PM)
I posted a list of 100 U.S. Destinations in the DFB Facebook Group. For Rainbow users, the Statue of Liberty is included in the list.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Feb 20, 2019 10:28PM)
It IS in fact cheaper to order from SEO directly.

That being said, you CANNOT order the "exclusive Rainbow reveal cards" from SEO at all because, according to Craig, they were a Blackpool special that he was offering to sell the limited number of extra's that he had from the convention.

[quote]On Feb 19, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Feb 19, 2019, yoyomagic wrote:
Hi All

Blackpool was amazing so thank you to all those DFB users that came over to the stand and introduced themselves to me. Just to let you know we have a couple of our exclusive Rainbow reveal cards left over. Higar kindly made us The Leaning Tower Of Pisa and Colosseum and these specific Landmarks won't be available anywhere else. If you're interested in picking one of these up then the cost is £44.00 inc postage and packaging within the UK. We have very limited stock so if you would like one or both please email me at yoyomagic@me.com. We can send to other countries so when you email we will work out the shipping cost.

Regards

Craig [/quote]

Itís cheaper to order direct from seomagic. But thanks.

You receive the following for 47 Bucks.... and you use my country list (above) depending on which card you receive.

7 pictures, 1 gimmicked picture film, and 1 gimmicked card film (card face may vary.) [/quote]
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Feb 21, 2019 05:34PM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2019, matt.magicman wrote:
Ok cool.
Do you get the playing card with it too?
Thanks again [/quote]

No playing card.
Message: Posted by: sieler (Feb 27, 2019 07:03PM)
I just purchased the Android version ... and, after wading through 22 pages of magiccafe posts about the app,
I've got two things to say:

1. I'm looking forward to it, and the FB group, thanks!

2. all the apple fanboys are missing a *CRITICAL* point: with Android, I (or anyone) can
create an app and absolutely control distribution of it (should I choose to do so).
Part of such control would be distributing it outside of a "play store / app store" ...
something that ... and this is the critically important part ... Apple refuses to let you do,
but is exceedingly easy on Android.

I don't like having non-magicians be able to look up items in the app store / play store
and see a description like "DFB has been designed to allow the user to force any one of 100 items.".
I'd much rather have them find: nothing.
I don't like having to submit apps to non-magicians at Apple (or Google or Amazon), possibly/probably
revealing secrets, to seek approval to sell them.

My 5 cents :)

Stan
Message: Posted by: egoli (Feb 27, 2019 07:22PM)
Posted before:

How fast you can get your app to the market is always a primary concern when building the app. In general, it can take 2-3 times longer for Android app development vs iOS app development. Why? It has to do with the system release cycles and something known as Android fragmentation. Simply put, Android fragmentation is about a huge number of devices within this operation system that come in all shapes and sizes as well as with huge differences in performance level and screen sizes. Another aspect of Android fragmentation is that there are lots of active versions at the same time. To build an app that is compatible to all of these devices is quite a challenging task. Because Android is locked down by carriers and OEMís, it makes their releases more difficult, and adoption of the latest OS versions is usually slower than with iOS. For example, today over 80% of all iOS users have adopted the latest version of iOS 10. Nougat for Android was released in August 2016, and currently, a little over 7% of all users have adopted it. For developers, there is a benefit to being able to focus on supporting the newest versions of an operating system. With that, you can reasonably expect to reach quite a broad audience. If only about 10% of the users have adopted it, then the developer has to support older devices, do more testing and this way increase the development cycle time. With iOS higher adoption rates developers can stop supporting older versions and devices sooner, reduce testing, incorporate newer APIís and reduce their development cycle times.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Feb 27, 2019 10:53PM)
I'm still trying to get it to work on my Motorola flip phone. Takes forever to select down through a list of 100. I generally lose my audience around 25-30, but I'm working on funny jokes to tell in the downtime...
Message: Posted by: robvh (Feb 28, 2019 11:31AM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2019, Nathan Alexander wrote:
I'm still trying to get it to work on my Motorola flip phone. Takes forever to select down through a list of 100. I generally lose my audience around 25-30, but I'm working on funny jokes to tell in the downtime... [/quote]

I'm not sure if you're joking about owning a flip phone...

Some people do still own them so I'll address it seriously by simply pointing out that there's no need to give them a choice from 1-100. Nor is there a need to show them the entire list. If you can only display 20-30 names while keeping their attention then just limit their number range from 1-30! Problem solved.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Feb 28, 2019 01:32PM)
Well now I feel bad because I was joking. :) But good and true points.
Message: Posted by: Morganjj (Feb 28, 2019 08:24PM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2019, sieler wrote:
2. all the apple fanboys are missing a *CRITICAL* point: with Android, I (or anyone) can
create an app and absolutely control distribution of it (should I choose to do so).
Part of such control would be distributing it outside of a "play store / app store" ...
something that ... and this is the critically important part ... Apple refuses to let you do,
but is exceedingly easy on Android.

I don't like having non-magicians be able to look up items in the app store / play store
and see a description like "DFB has been designed to allow the user to force any one of 100 items.".
I'd much rather have them find: nothing.
I don't like having to submit apps to non-magicians at Apple (or Google or Amazon), possibly/probably
revealing secrets, to seek approval to sell them.

My 5 cents :)

Stan [/quote]

While you're right, the pricing would need to be astronimically higher to support the apps development on Android were that the case. The only reason DFB can sell at the price it does is because a reasonably broad number of people are finding it and buying it on the app store.

If you take away iOS sales - which would be 80-90% of the sales base for a premium priced magic app - and take away app store sales on Android and force people to sideload, I'd expect you'd end up selling about 1% of the copies.

Which *would* keep it secret.

The question is, are you willing to pay $3500 dollars in order to have that exclusivity?

Some magicians are, of course, willing to pay that sort of money for signature effects. But taking something that is only mass market priced due to reach and asking for it to be both cheap AND exclusive doesn't really make sense.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 1, 2019 01:16PM)
Not to mention that app piracy is rife on android, a problem you donít have to worry about on IOS.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Oil&Water (Mar 1, 2019 01:47PM)
Good point Mark. Olly
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 1, 2019 03:39PM)
Canít stand Android in any way shape or form personally.
Message: Posted by: Oil&Water (Mar 1, 2019 04:06PM)
Me neither I prefer the continuity of Apple and not the variants on android . You pay for what you get imho, Olly
Message: Posted by: mailcold (May 14, 2019 06:34PM)
[quote]On Feb 15, 2019, glennn wrote:
I finally purchased this after being hesitant as I have an Android phone and I'd read that support/upgrades is limited for Android. Nevertheless, I'm happy with the product as is. Great idea, works well and lots of potential for creative minds. [/quote]

I have Samsung S7 phone. I would like to known if the app / screen layout work on Samsung S7 ?
Message: Posted by: AJ MAJIC (May 14, 2019 10:17PM)
I had it on my S7 and transferred it to my S10.
It worked great on the 7 :-)
Message: Posted by: mailcold (May 14, 2019 10:45PM)
[quote]On May 14, 2019, AJ MAJIC wrote:
I had it on my S7 and transferred it to my S10.
It worked great on the 7 :-) [/quote]
Thanks for the quick response.
I am buying it now.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (May 15, 2019 08:36AM)
No worries, I personally can't much stand Apple in any way shape or form...

[quote]On Mar 1, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Canít stand Android in any way shape or form personally. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 15, 2019 11:54AM)
[quote]On May 15, 2019, Kaliix wrote:
No worries, I personally can't much stand Apple in any way shape or form...

[quote]On Mar 1, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Canít stand Android in any way shape or form personally. [/quote] [/quote]

Thanks for the info. Appreciated. Not everyone is switched on enough to understand iOS. Android is a good substitute.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (May 15, 2019 05:40PM)
Yeah, but iOS gets the best magic apps

[quote]On May 15, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On May 15, 2019, Kaliix wrote:
No worries, I personally can't much stand Apple in any way shape or form...

[quote]On Mar 1, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Canít stand Android in any way shape or form personally. [/quote] [/quote]

Thanks for the info. Appreciated. Not everyone is switched on enough to understand iOS. Android is a good substitute. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 15, 2019 06:10PM)
Of course Apple have the best magic apps because itís an easier one station platform to build an app upon , rather than the cross platforms that android covers .
Every group of spectators you perform to at least one will have an iPhone so you can either use your iPhone or theirs so that also makes common sense for any magic app developer imho .
Buy a cheap second hand iPhone just for magic if you donít want one as your to go to mobile phone , it seems a no brainier to me Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 15, 2019 06:26PM)
Also piracy is a lot more prevalent on Android. That is why DFB stopped supporting Android.
But then there are other apps that are only on Android so it depends on what your favorite apps are and if they are important enough to you to dictate which phone you get.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jul 1, 2019 06:49AM)
I posted this on the DFB FB group but for those not on it you may enjoy it:

Here is a stage/parlour performance and presentation of D.F.B.
It demonstrates how an app can be hidden within a larger story and hopefully not look like an app at all!

https://youtu.be/JuUe21St-6s
Message: Posted by: davidredfearn (Jul 1, 2019 07:36AM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2019, einhorn wrote:
I posted this on the DFB FB group but for those not on it you may enjoy it:

Here is a stage/parlour performance and presentation of D.F.B.
It demonstrates how an app can be hidden within a larger story and hopefully not look like an app at all!

https://youtu.be/JuUe21St-6s [/quote]


Excellent well done Nick, I use this great App all the time thanks
DR
Message: Posted by: James927 (Jul 7, 2019 09:34PM)
[quote]On May 14, 2019, AJ MAJIC wrote:
I had it on my S7 and transferred it to my S10.
It worked great on the 7 :-) [/quote]

How does DFB look on your S10? (You mentioned it looked good on the S7.) I have an S9.

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: AJ MAJIC (Jul 7, 2019 11:14PM)
[quote]On Jul 7, 2019, James927 wrote:
[quote]On May 14, 2019, AJ MAJIC wrote:
I had it on my S7 and transferred it to my S10.
It worked great on the 7 :-) [/quote]

How does DFB look on your S10? (You mentioned it looked good on the S7.) I have an S9.

Thanks! [/quote]


Looks and works exactly the same :-)
Message: Posted by: Hobbsy (Aug 21, 2019 02:12PM)
I'm assuming you need the audience member to have selected and stated the number before you hand them the phone? I've not read all 23 pages of comments but isn't this an issue because most people will quickly come up with at least a couple of ways this could be achieved with a smart phone app. They might be way off the actual method but that doesn't really matter. Obviously, you can weave the selection of a number into the story (as per some of the examples given) but this still feels like a weakness when combined with the use of technology with well known capabilities that could be used here. Would be interested in comments on this but feel free to delete if it says too much.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Aug 21, 2019 03:38PM)
It wonít be real magic and technology must be involved as you wouldnít need a phone otherwise ?
Itís a great one that I fully recommend nevertheless Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: phanindhra (Sep 4, 2019 05:45PM)
I have been using this app a lot. Very clever and innocent looking. Can't think of a better way to force things electronically
Message: Posted by: rockbrunnen (Sep 12, 2019 08:52PM)
How much customization is possible for the iPhone screens (which are faked, I assume)?

In countries where IOSs are localized under their languages, the Note app is not shown as "Notes."

So, I thought I had to ask before buying the app.

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: otreboR (Sep 13, 2019 03:02AM)
[quote]On Sep 13, 2019, rockbrunnen wrote:
How much customization is possible for the iPhone screens (which are faked, I assume)?

In countries where IOSs are localized under their languages, the Note app is not shown as "Notes."

So, I thought I had to ask before buying the app.

Thanks! [/quote]

Sadly the app-names of the fake screens are all in English and are not customizable.
In Dutch the app "Notes" is called "Notities". Not a really big difference, but it would be great if you can change this name.
Hoping for an update that makes this possible.
Message: Posted by: Alex McFly (Sep 13, 2019 03:46AM)
After all the performances I never had the problem that the app is called "Notes".
No spectator has paid any attention to it yet.

As soon as the app is opened, everything appears in the language you have saved in the settings.
This means that the name "Notes", the buttons "Back", "Edit", and all weekdays appear in the correct language.

And in my opinion this is the important thing. Because that's where you stay in this effect.
Message: Posted by: rockbrunnen (Sep 13, 2019 03:50AM)
[quote]On Sep 13, 2019, otreboR wrote:
[quote]On Sep 13, 2019, rockbrunnen wrote:
How much customization is possible for the iPhone screens (which are faked, I assume)?

In countries where IOSs are localized under their languages, the Note app is not shown as "Notes."

So, I thought I had to ask before buying the app.

Thanks! [/quote]

Sadly the app-names of the fake screens are all in English and are not customizable.
In Dutch the app "Notes" is called "Notities". Not a really big difference, but it would be great if you can change this name.
Hoping for an update that makes this possible. [/quote]

Thank you very much, otreboR.

As my iPhone is for an Asian language, I am afraid it would not go unnoticed.

Thank you very much for the info. You helped me a lot.
Message: Posted by: Alex McFly (Sep 13, 2019 03:54AM)
Of course, that's another thing...
Message: Posted by: rockbrunnen (Sep 13, 2019 04:15AM)
[quote]On Sep 13, 2019, Alex McFly wrote:
Of course, that's another thing... [/quote]

Yes, Alex. I really wanted to have this app...

Thank you very much for the info anyway.
Message: Posted by: otreboR (Oct 5, 2019 02:19PM)
I have what I think is a nice idea for this app.

I thought it would be nice if the DFB app would get an extra feature.
Not only you could use it to force, but also as a MULTIPLE OUT.

You could for example perform the perfect ďFree WillĒ effect.
In the settings you insert all the outs there could be for performing ďFree WillĒ.

You start the effect by making a prediction in your Notes app. You can show the subject ďPREDICTIONĒ with todays date underneath.
You close your phone and start performing ďFree WillĒ. After the decisions made by the spectator, you open your phone using the same principle as the force.
The spectator can open the prediction and read that everything is predicted perfectly.
This is just an example of what you could do.

I already shared this by sending Nick a PM and an email, but received no reaction. I am also not on facebook, so that's why I am sharing it here.
Maybe someone could share this with Nick if not anyone else already came up with this idea in the facebook group.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Oct 5, 2019 04:27PM)
FYI, a very similar thing can be done easily with TAP - The Architect of Predictions.



[quote]On Oct 5, 2019, otreboR wrote:
I have what I think is a nice idea for this app.

I thought it would be nice if the DFB app would get an extra feature.
Not only you could use it to force, but also as a MULTIPLE OUT.

You could for example perform the perfect ďFree WillĒ effect.
In the settings you insert all the outs there could be for performing ďFree WillĒ.

You start the effect by making a prediction in your Notes app. You can show the subject ďPREDICTIONĒ with todays date underneath.
You close your phone and start performing ďFree WillĒ. After the decisions made by the spectator, you open your phone using the same principle as the force.
The spectator can open the prediction and read that everything is predicted perfectly.
This is just an example of what you could do.

I already shared this by sending Nick a PM and an email, but received no reaction. I am also not on facebook, so that's why I am sharing it here.
Maybe someone could share this with Nick if not anyone else already came up with this idea in the facebook group. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Oct 6, 2019 03:08AM)
You can already do the free will effect on their phone using Inject so I donít really think DFB needs that feature. DFB only does one thing but it does it exceptionally well.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Oct 6, 2019 05:10AM)
You can do that with iforce on your own phone ( like DFB relies on ) as well imo Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Sophocles (Oct 18, 2019 01:23PM)
[quote]On Feb 13, 2019, TheDirectionalist wrote:
If for whatever reason you have not purchased this incredible app yet..

Allow me to give you some more incentive.. ;)

https://youtu.be/l9Cv3TZHtRc

This is a stage routine I developed using ONLY the DFB app. No pre-show or anything like that. [/quote]

Bought after seeing this amazing performance! Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Sophocles (Oct 18, 2019 02:26PM)
The instructions donít describe all the settings options (eg all inputs). Iím guessing this is in the FB group?
Standard method is really great.
Message: Posted by: Sophocles (Oct 19, 2019 10:54AM)
[quote]On Oct 18, 2019, Sophocles wrote:
The instructions donít describe all the settings options (eg all inputs). Iím guessing this is in the FB group?
Standard method is really great. [/quote]

My mistake. Itís all in app. I misread. Figured it out.
Looks great!
As a test I forced a card and then showed a red deck, pulled out her card and then turned over to show it was the only blue card in the deck.
Message: Posted by: mpilkey (Nov 27, 2019 07:10PM)
I use this all the time for my
Own original effect SIRIsouly mental
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Nov 28, 2019 06:00AM)
[quote]On Oct 19, 2019, Sophocles wrote:
[quote]On Oct 18, 2019, Sophocles wrote:
The instructions donít describe all the settings options (eg all inputs). Iím guessing this is in the FB group?
Standard method is really great. [/quote]

My mistake. Itís all in app. I misread. Figured it out.
Looks great!
As a test I forced a card and then showed a red deck, pulled out her card and then turned over to show it was the only blue card in the deck. [/quote]


Yes I have done the same thing before but then spread the deck face up to reveal the rest are all blank .
Not the best use of it I know but still got very strong reactions when I was originally getting used to the app Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: AlexanderG (Jan 15, 2020 04:30PM)
Can one customize the number of items on one's lists? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: cardistry master (Jan 15, 2020 04:52PM)
Yes it's any number up to 100.
Message: Posted by: AlexanderG (Jan 16, 2020 03:41PM)
I bought this from Apple and have tried to join the FB, but without success. I've written to Nick and to Craig, but have received no response. If anyone has a suggestion about how to gain access to the group I'd appreciate hearing it. Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: AlexanderG (Jan 17, 2020 07:11AM)
I have since been approved.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jan 17, 2020 10:37AM)
And to show your highlight reel to make your life seem better than it is. (Otherwise people would know I [i]don't[/i] have many friends. :))
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 17, 2020 11:08AM)
Exactly , and it was because I didnít have many friends at school that I took up magic in the first place .
Once I took up magic I still didnít have many friends , but at least now I had a reason for it 😉.
Iím only joking about Facebook itís just not my boot ( you would never have guessed 😂 ) , Iím not joking about the friends bit though Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 17, 2020 11:23AM)
[quote]On Jan 17, 2020, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Exactly , and it was because I didnít have many friends at school that I took up magic in the first place .
Once I took up magic I still didnít have many friends , but at least now I had a reason for it 😉.
Iím only joking about Facebook itís just not my boot ( you would never have guessed 😂 ) , Iím not joking about the friends bit though Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

Weíre your friends Gaz. I need to get my sorry ass to Blackpool one year, to have a few pints together.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 17, 2020 11:30AM)
Thank you Pegasus my buddy , I would love to see you and my other friend there one year ( canít think of his name at the minute ) Gaz 😂
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Jan 17, 2020 12:36PM)
[quote]On Jan 17, 2020, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jan 17, 2020, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Exactly , and it was because I didnít have many friends at school that I took up magic in the first place .
Once I took up magic I still didnít have many friends , but at least now I had a reason for it 😉.
Iím only joking about Facebook itís just not my boot ( you would never have guessed 😂 ) , Iím not joking about the friends bit though Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

Weíre your friends Gaz. I need to get my sorry ass to Blackpool one year, to have a few pints together. [/quote]

Wouyld be good to meet up too.

[quote]On Jan 17, 2020, dogmonkey wrote:
That's what the INTERNET is for. And cats. And pr0n. [/quote]

And a few years ago when Luke Germany released the Marksman deck he had exactly that .... a video of a kitten playing a piano. Really was very funny! No really!
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 17, 2020 12:44PM)
Yes looking forward to it Dave , see you there Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: gismo (May 18, 2020 09:07PM)
Look at my notes. Here I have a list of 100 celebrities.

Why? Why do I have such weird things on my phone?

That's the only problem, I have with this APP.

A google list of the 100 most famous celebrities, generated out of statistics,
is way more logical.

Just my two cents...
Message: Posted by: Smooth Criminal (May 19, 2020 01:59AM)
[quote]On May 18, 2020, gismo wrote:
Look at my notes. Here I have a list of 100 celebrities.

Why? Why do I have such weird things on my phone?

That's the only problem, I have with this APP. [/quote]

So don't do a list of 100 celebs. Do something personal. The Jerx has a great take on this.
Message: Posted by: Bietfriek (May 19, 2020 02:05AM)
Iíve got certain personal ideas, but cannot use them with DFB. When a sentence is too long, the text get cuts off so you end up with a half letter, would be very nice to have that solved.
But I understand you will not experience that when you force Tom Cruise in front of the Eiffel Tower with a sandwich in his hand 😉
Message: Posted by: otreboR (May 19, 2020 05:40AM)
You could use DFB for an Any Card At Any Number type of effect.

EXAMPLE EFFECT 1:
Make a list with just one card in your DFB app.
Force this card to a spectator. Let them put the card back in the deck and shuffle.
Let the spectator count the position of the chosen (forced) card after the shuffle.
Open your notes list and Voila! :-)

EXAMPLE EFFECT 2:
Make a list with 52 playing cards in DFB app.
Let your spectator shuffle the deck. While showing their mix you cull the force card to for example the fourth from the top.
Spectator says a number between 1 and 52. You do a cull-count so the force card is at the position the spectator just said.
This card + position matches with the card + position in you notes list.
Message: Posted by: Smooth Criminal (May 19, 2020 11:23AM)
[quote]On May 19, 2020, otreboR wrote:
You could use DFB for an Any Card At Any Number type of effect.[/quote]

You could...

But just because you can, it doesn't mean you should.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 19, 2020 11:38AM)
[quote]On May 19, 2020, Smooth Criminal wrote:
[quote]On May 19, 2020, otreboR wrote:
You could use DFB for an Any Card At Any Number type of effect.[/quote]

You could...

But just because you can, it doesn't mean you should. [/quote]

Bingo.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (May 20, 2020 09:56PM)
[quote]On May 19, 2020, Smooth Criminal wrote:
[quote]On May 18, 2020, gismo wrote:
Look at my notes. Here I have a list of 100 celebrities.

Why? Why do I have such weird things on my phone?

That's the only problem, I have with this APP. [/quote]

So don't do a list of 100 celebs. Do something personal. The Jerx has a great take on this. [/quote]
The Jerx eh?
Lol... it's alllll coming together.
You should stick around for a bit.
Come back to the other forums...share your knowledge.
Message: Posted by: Rupert Pupkin (May 21, 2020 07:44PM)
*someone mentions popular magic blog*

"Ah yes... It's all coming together!"

Downright Sherlockian of you, magicfish.
Message: Posted by: rowland (May 22, 2020 12:01AM)
[quote]On May 19, 2020, otreboR wrote:
You could use DFB for an Any Card At Any Number type of effect.

EXAMPLE EFFECT 1:
Make a list with just one card in your DFB app.
Force this card to a spectator. Let them put the card back in the deck and shuffle.
Let the spectator count the position of the chosen (forced) card after the shuffle.
Open your notes list and Voila! :-)

EXAMPLE EFFECT 2:
Make a list with 52 playing cards in DFB app.
Let your spectator shuffle the deck. While showing their mix you cull the force card to for example the fourth from the top.
Spectator says a number between 1 and 52. You do a cull-count so the force card is at the position the spectator just said.
This card + position matches with the card + position in you notes list. [/quote]

I think using dfb for a acaan could possibly be the worse use of it. Why would you.
Message: Posted by: rowland (May 22, 2020 12:03AM)
[quote]On Jan 17, 2020, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Exactly , and it was because I didnít have many friends at school that I took up magic in the first place .
Once I took up magic I still didnít have many friends , but at least now I had a reason for it 😉.
Iím only joking about Facebook itís just not my boot ( you would never have guessed 😂 ) , Iím not joking about the friends bit though Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

Youíve got lots of friends on here Gaz😀👍🏻
Message: Posted by: Smooth Criminal (May 22, 2020 06:47AM)
[quote]On May 22, 2020, rowland wrote:

I think using dfb for a acaan could possibly be the worse use of it. [/quote]

I've had an idea for something worse to do with it. Force a word they then use wiki test to look up. Whilst doing a Toxic force.
Message: Posted by: Jay Jennings (May 25, 2020 01:41AM)
Can someone who owns DFB tell me if it respects the light/dark mode on iPhones? The pictures in the App Store only show the light version and I run my phone in dark mode. I checked the version history and didn't see any mention of that. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Armando Cheung (May 25, 2020 08:07AM)
[quote]On May 25, 2020, Jay Jennings wrote:
Can someone who owns DFB tell me if it respects the light/dark mode on iPhones? The pictures in the App Store only show the light version and I run my phone in dark mode. I checked the version history and didn't see any mention of that. Thanks. [/quote]

The list in the app only is displayed in light mode, even your phone is set in dark mode.
Message: Posted by: Futureal (Jun 18, 2020 01:51AM)
[quote]On May 18, 2020, gismo wrote:
Look at my notes. Here I have a list of 100 celebrities.

Why? Why do I have such weird things on my phone?

That's the only problem, I have with this APP.

A google list of the 100 most famous celebrities, generated out of statistics,
is way more logical.

Just my two cents... [/quote]

Yes, for something like that then AnyWeb would be a much better way to do it. You can have them search google image or IMBD or whatever. Digital Force Bag has strengths in other areas.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 16, 2021 04:59AM)
This is just to let you know that DFB iOS now has an option to make an In App Purchase for a very minimal amount in order to add PRO TOOLS. This enables Dark Mode which so many wanted, Also allows UNLIMITED lists, Easy drag & drop of lists into any order. Secret peek of the Input Numbers so you can be sure you entered them correctly before the reveal and the ability to force a 2nd number on a second list!

We are also now making a new Android version which will match the iOS version BUT......this will be a whole new app, so those that own Android DFB should pre-order to upgrade before the end of January to make a HUGE 60% saving. The details are in our FB group and the link for that FB group is in the DFB instructions. This will save you a lot of money and is a thank you for being a DFB user.
Message: Posted by: Doric (Jan 16, 2021 06:34AM)
So when you buy the new Android version do you need to own the original first?
Message: Posted by: peirceman (Jan 16, 2021 06:39AM)
I'm sure Nick will give the definitive answer, but based on what he posted, you do not. It will be a totally new app designed from the ground up. He was hesitant to develop the android version and even put a poll up on the Facebook group to estimate support, since even previous owners would have to buy the new version at full price if they want the new features. He also stated that while the old version will continue to work, that he will not be supporting to old version with updates once the new version is released.

I love this app and use it often, so I did not hesitate to jump on the discount he offered previous users through the FB group.
Message: Posted by: Doric (Jan 16, 2021 07:00AM)
Thank you. I'll buy the new version then, given the old one will no longer be supported.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 16, 2021 08:42AM)
[quote]On Jan 16, 2021, Doric wrote:
So when you buy the new Android version do you need to own the original first? [/quote]

No, it will be an All In One app with all the features.
Message: Posted by: Doric (Jan 16, 2021 09:04AM)
Thanks Nick, I will put my order in then. As an owner of v1 I appreciate the kind offer to existing customers. Top drawer service sir 👍.
Message: Posted by: einhorn (Jan 16, 2021 09:33AM)
[quote]On Jan 16, 2021, Doric wrote:
Thanks Nick, I will put my order in then. As an owner of v1 I appreciate the kind offer to existing customers. Top drawer service sir 👍. [/quote]

Welcome. The hard thing is reaching all Android users to make them aware of the great deal to upgrade now. We don't have any USER DATA so I know there will be disappointed DFB users who miss this offer but there is not much we can do other than try and reach out through social media as we have done.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jan 16, 2021 01:26PM)
Loving the new pro tools. Some great added features. Fantastic app gets even better.
Message: Posted by: no2ss (Jan 17, 2021 12:13AM)
Wait... so if we don't already have the Android version, but want to order the new one... where/how would we do that?

Is there a pre-order page that I'm missing? I can't access the FB group because I don't have the old one (by the time I was interested, I had seen that Android development was no longer happening so I didn't buy it. But I've been disappointed in not being able to use it, so am excited to hear about it being re-released on Android). Where can we preorder?
Message: Posted by: Doric (Jan 17, 2021 02:47AM)
The 60% discount is only for existing customers. I think you'll be paying full price (£49.99) which seems fair to me.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 17, 2021 04:56AM)
Iím happy with the free iOS upgrade. No need for the pro tools.
Message: Posted by: warren (Jan 17, 2021 07:37AM)
I'm really pleased that us Android users have been looked after with regards to the update brilliant news :-)
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Mar 17, 2021 06:47AM)
Wow where have I been
This is absolutely brilliant
Well done Nick
Message: Posted by: kleqy (Mar 18, 2021 03:42PM)
What is the price for the upgraded version on IOS?
Message: Posted by: cardistry master (Mar 18, 2021 03:53PM)
The update to fix the UI is free. But pro tools is $14