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Topic: Chosen by Ron Timmer and MFH
Message: Posted by: Titanas (May 7, 2018 02:00PM)
Hey guys,

Magic from Holland and Ron Timmer have a new release called Chosen.

Check this out here:

http://www.murphysmagic.com/product.aspx?id=61955

Best regards,
Titanas
Message: Posted by: novasteeple (May 7, 2018 05:48PM)
What's the motivation for reversing the card in the deck only to immediately retrieve it again?
Message: Posted by: Rizzo (May 7, 2018 06:32PM)
Looks real clean. Anyone see it live yet ?
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 7, 2018 07:01PM)
[quote]On May 7, 2018, novasteeple wrote:
What's the motivation for reversing the card in the deck only to immediately retrieve it again? [/quote]

I agree, it needs some time delay. Maybe revealing the prediction card first and then ribbon spread the deck to show the selection matches.
But since they did not do it this way it makes me think that it can't be done that way.
Message: Posted by: novasteeple (May 7, 2018 07:07PM)
[quote]On May 7, 2018, videoman wrote:
[quote]On May 7, 2018, novasteeple wrote:
What's the motivation for reversing the card in the deck only to immediately retrieve it again? [/quote]

I agree, it needs some time delay. Maybe revealing the prediction card first and then ribbon spread the deck to show the selection matches.
But since they did not do it this way it makes me think that it can't be done that way. [/quote]

I think it could be done that way if I have the method right. But that would only slightly improve the problem. I think there needs to be a direct or indirect explanation for the handling of the selected card.

David Parr's Game of Life and Death (one deck) and Copycat (two decks) are both superb effects with reversed selections in spreads, but the presentations make perfect sense.
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 7, 2018 07:26PM)
I think the ruse of saying you are going to place it somewhere for safekeeping where you can't get to it would be enough explanation and would fly by almost everyone.
But then immediately removing it is the part that makes no sense.
Message: Posted by: novasteeple (May 7, 2018 07:34PM)
[quote]On May 7, 2018, videoman wrote:
I think the ruse of saying you are going to place it somewhere for safekeeping where you can't get to it would be enough explanation and would fly by almost everyone.
But then immediately removing it is the part that makes no sense. [/quote]

Yeah, I'm not sure how putting the card back in the deck would come across as safer than letting the spectator hold the card rhe whole time. Of course, the method prevents that. That's fine, but the unusual handling needs to be motivated.
Message: Posted by: Ron Timmer (May 8, 2018 09:00AM)
Hi Guys,
Here is a full performance trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiwXCVquG6Q
When I perform it for real audience, this presentation makes sense. I have to say it is not that perfect now since I almost never perform in English and used to do this one in my own (Dutch) language :-)

You can either show the prediction first and then take it out. Makes no difference.
You can have the spectator makes the spread and (s)he can takes out the selected card, makes no difference.
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (May 8, 2018 09:28AM)
It's very good, and the presentation justify everything IMO.

I like the way you say "I got a gig a week ago.." or "they shuffle the deck 20 times etc.." you're saying a message with those lines ;) nice performance, nice reveal, looks clean, looks like a winner to me.



Olivier BoŽs
Message: Posted by: novasteeple (May 8, 2018 09:30AM)
[quote]On May 8, 2018, Ron Timmer wrote:
Hi Guys,
Here is a full performance trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiwXCVquG6Q
When I perform it for real audience, this presentation makes sense.[/quote]

Thanks, the full performance does make a little more sense. But the patter is basically a re-enactment of a previous performance, and that may not work for everyone. It's also still a little weird to pass the selection through the deck just to show how the card looked for someone else's performance. I think we need to brainstorm a better motivation.
Message: Posted by: RNK (May 8, 2018 09:50AM)
[quote]On May 8, 2018, Ceierry wrote:
It's very good, and the presentation justify everything IMO.

I like the way you say "I got a gig a week ago.." or "they shuffle the deck 20 times etc.." you're saying a message with those lines ;) nice performance, nice reveal, looks clean, looks like a winner to me.



Olivier BoŽs [/quote]

I like it as well. I think the structure of the routine will work fine. Might have to pick this up....
Message: Posted by: caigy (May 8, 2018 10:08AM)
That looked very nice :)

Can this be done completely in the hands without a table, by just casually spreading or fanning the cards?

All the best,

Paul McCaig.
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (May 8, 2018 01:13PM)
I own it, I talk about how most card tricks follow a formula which is - the spectator "selects" a card, the card is lost and then the magician finds it. But finding lost items is not magical. I lose and find my keys or my phone every day, and when I find the object, I never think to myself ... a magic trick!

During that talk - the spectator notices that one card in the spread is a blue backed indifferent card and I slide it out as if it were accidental and keep talking

"Wouldn't you like to see a card trick for once... that looked like real magic?"

So the card is selected from a face down deck and reversed in the deck. The spectator pays careful attention to what face up card theirs is placed on (I let them know it's a key card) and then they bury it in the deck (again, telling them THEY get to lose it - not the magician who can't be trusted)

Yes, there is some time delay - but enforcing that their card is NOT lost. In fact, I say - "A random person who walks up right now could easily find your card, because it's the only one reversed in the deck. So finding your card is not the magic trick."

And then I point to the indifferent card on the table, "Rather, wouldn't it be a magic trick if your card MATCHED that card? A card placed out in the open as a prediction BEFORE your card was ever chosen?

I fan the cards face up - and they note their card is STILL on top of the same card they placed it on _ THEY turn it over - and THEY turn over the prediction and they both match

I love this trick - so easy to do.

(to answer Paul's question) I've been working on a standing routine without a table, it's totally possible, you just need to change a few things
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 8, 2018 02:48PM)
There looks a very suspious block off unspread cards on the uncut demo imo that explains my speculation of the method , best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (May 8, 2018 07:25PM)
Nice presentation, David and thanks for sharing your review over at Hocus-Pocus.. itís a little annoying that the ad copy is misleading though, but it still looks like a very good effect.
Message: Posted by: Ron Timmer (May 9, 2018 02:22AM)
[quote]On May 8, 2018, TuneHV wrote:
Nice presentation, David and thanks for sharing your review over at Hocus-Pocus.. itís a little annoying that the ad copy is misleading though, but it still looks like a very good effect. [/quote]

Hi, I am learing here. What is misleading as I do not want to have any of that?
Message: Posted by: David Numen (May 9, 2018 02:50AM)
The only way this would be a logical effect would be if the turnover of a card was done in secret - they take the pack behind their back or under the table or whatever. If you have a prediction on the table and they take a card...well why would you do ANYTHING other with the card than show it matches? Why would you put it back in the deck only to spread the deck and withdraw it?
Message: Posted by: caigy (May 9, 2018 03:39AM)
[quote]On May 8, 2018, DavidKenney wrote:

...I love this trick - so easy to do.

(to answer Paul's question) I've been working on a standing routine without a table, it's totally possible, you just need to change a few things [/quote]


Thank you David.

All the best,

Paul McCaig.
Message: Posted by: TuneHV (May 9, 2018 06:46AM)
[quote]On May 9, 2018, Ron Timmer wrote:
[quote]On May 8, 2018, TuneHV wrote:
Nice presentation, David and thanks for sharing your review over at Hocus-Pocus.. itís a little annoying that the ad copy is misleading though, but it still looks like a very good effect. [/quote]

Hi, I am learing here. What is misleading as I do not want to have any of that? [/quote]

I was referring to what was said about it in this review:
https://youtu.be/nvhx6Aoju1A
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (May 9, 2018 09:17AM)
[quote]On May 9, 2018, TuneHV wrote:
[quote]On May 9, 2018, Ron Timmer wrote:
[quote]On May 8, 2018, TuneHV wrote:
Nice presentation, David and thanks for sharing your review over at Hocus-Pocus.. itís a little annoying that the ad copy is misleading though, but it still looks like a very good effect. [/quote]

Hi, I am learing here. What is misleading as I do not want to have any of that? [/quote]

I was referring to what was said about it in this review:
https://youtu.be/nvhx6Aoju1A [/quote]

So sticky cards might be used then ???
Iíve ordered this and wonít be pleased if they are!
Message: Posted by: Recoplon (May 9, 2018 10:50AM)
It is interesting the trailer says "No Stick Tape or Glue" and "No Rough/Smooth" but the review clearly states something like this is used (SF?)
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 9, 2018 02:39PM)
If itís SF then itís a misleading ad as I have SF and itís great but itís definitely a variation of sticky stuff thatís for sure Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: AceFace (May 10, 2018 01:37PM)
Iíve ordered this as well, so I wonít be happy either if itís sticky or whatever...in the demo it certainly looks like a single card that is turned over at the end. Iíve broken the promise that I made to myself.... I WILL NO LONGER PREORDER ANY EFFECTS DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF MISLEADING ADVERTISING THAT WE ARE SUBJECTED TO... please donít let this be the case
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 10, 2018 02:17PM)
I agree that if it uses some sort of sticky stuff other than what is mentioned in the ad then that would be VERY misleading and not something that you could plead ignorance to because of a language barrier or something like that I wouldnít think.

Immediately upon viewing the demo it looked to me to that it just used a df and with the adjacent court card seemed obvious that there was something sticky going on.
But when I saw no sticky used and the fact that spec can handle the card, it had me fooled.
Plus, the bike and Phoenix gaffs included was strange because other than the aces they are pretty interchangeable unless they were referring to large index Phoenix.
So it had me confused as to what new method they had developed.
But if it does use something sticky I would also blame Murphyís for letting that go unchecked. Because they will pay the price by getting a ton of these returned.
Oh wait, I forgot, magicianís donít return things they just grumble and toss them in a drawer.

I guess we will know soon enough.
Message: Posted by: Ron Timmer (May 11, 2018 06:57AM)
Wow... what a discussion.
I do think David said it all in his review.

My goal is absolutely NOT to mislead anybody and if I have done so, I truly appologize.
I have a magicshop myself in the Netherlands (near Amsterdam) for over a decade and I am not afraid to tell my customers how a trick works or what principle is used just to give them an idea if the trick suits them or not.
People who knows me, know what I mean. I also am not afraid to tell a customer NOT to buy a trick if it is not good. A satisfied customer returns, it is that simple.

About this issue, I quess it all has to do with the fact if this trick uses Rough and Smooth or not!
What is the definition of Rough and Smooth?
To be honest and in my oppinion; the AND word states you MUST use two cards, a Rought card AND a Smooth card for the principle to work, right?
But in this case you only need 1 gaff basically? So therefor I said no Rough and Smooth.

I do not want to mislead anybody as a good customer returns. If you like this effect, you might want to pick up another effect of me....

That being said: I truly love performing chosen and I think you will like it too and it would be a shame if this one ends up in a drawer :-)


Have a wonderfull day!
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (May 11, 2018 07:49AM)
In my review I also said not to let the method distract you from the value of this effect. Bottom line: this is a wonderful effect and it's super easy to do. This trick IS already in it's own labeled tuck case ready to perform and will certainly NOT end up on ebay or at the bottom of a drawer.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (May 11, 2018 08:05AM)
So itís a misleading add at the end of the day ?

Using a sticky stuff and saying itís not in play in the add, not the bets move you can do.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (May 11, 2018 08:08AM)
So itís not R&S itís SF which is just a play on words! Very crafty I for one wonít be a returning customer
Not in any other walk of life would this be permitted
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (May 11, 2018 08:10AM)
[quote]On May 11, 2018, cardbiker wrote:
So itís not R&S itís SF which is just a play on words! Very crafty I for one wonít be a returning customer
Not in any other walk of life would this be permitted [/quote]

Exactly, I thing SF, Rough and Smooth, Roughing stick, double sided tape, theyíre all the same things and if your trick uses some of them, you shouldnít state nothing is in play..
Message: Posted by: John C (May 11, 2018 08:42AM)
Awful, for the ad.

Unwise for us magicians always thinking/hoping that THIS time it is real Magic with no gaffs or tricky moves. Always has to be something.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 11, 2018 01:33PM)
Yes itís crazy as to be honest myself and Iím sure many others have been using SF etc and making effects like this all the time . After buying the Super cards dvd ( I think thatís the name ) from Richard Sanders years ago I have made a ton of stuff I wouldnít dream of marketing as they are all variations of a theme in general . I certainly wouldnít say no rough and smooth and no sticky stuff when I have blatantly used something of the same ilk like SF or Plastidip . Itís very misleading but was also pretty obvious as soon as I watched the effect . Good magic to all Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 11, 2018 01:38PM)
Also, what hasn't been mentioned is that if it is indeed SF or something similar would you allow your spec to handle or even touch the card?
I know I wouldn't.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 11, 2018 01:42PM)
I agree videoman I think however Alexander Kolle says he does on his One card collector effect using SF but I wouldnít and infact I donít when I do that effect . Best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (May 11, 2018 02:45PM)
"Also, what hasn't been mentioned is that if it is indeed SF or something similar would you allow your spec to handle or even touch the card?
I know I wouldn't."

The deck used is normal (you provide your own) and the card your spectator selects is a free choice, so it's not gimmicked in any way
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 11, 2018 03:11PM)
[quote]On May 11, 2018, DavidKenney wrote:
"Also, what hasn't been mentioned is that if it is indeed SF or something similar would you allow your spec to handle or even touch the card?
I know I wouldn't."

The deck used is normal (you provide your own) and the card your spectator selects is a free choice, so it's not gimmicked in any way [/quote]

Yes, but I believe in the video Ron says you can let the spectator remove the card and turn it over, and this meant to me at the END of the trick not just during the selection. And he does in fact let his spec turn over the card and toss it briskly onto the table at the conclusion.

Most of us woudn't take that risk and I don't believe it can be done safely without relying on luck (or a spec who is in on it.)
But again, if it was only meant for the selection and replacement at the outset then that again is misleading IMO.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 11, 2018 03:25PM)
David but it has to be a Bike deck or a Phoenix deck as you are just adding the SF coated gimmicked Bike or Phoenix or whatever substance you are using ok the gimmick to your regular deck . You could say that about all gimmicks that are made in Bike / Phoenix cards etc that you can use your own regular deck . You are just using the regular deck ploy to your advantage here rather than supplying a deck with the gimmick in it as then that sales tactic wouldnít work . I know you are just the review guy here and I like your reviews generally but this effect is just a joke to be sold in this manner . This effect I could knock up in under a minute itís a decent effect but SF etc are utility items and itís wrong that single effects that everyone who has a clue about SF are already doing similar and even much better routines with . This is just conning people who donít know about SF but know about R and S and the fact it doesnít use R and S is the misleading sales pitch imho.

You can let them remove it because I can only speculate as I donít know Ronís method but the top face down card in the spread at the beginning could have the SF etc on its back . A few cards down from this treated card in the unspread block that I mentioned earlier in this thread has the face up reveal that matches the blue backed prediction. When the selected unseen card goes face down on the face up deck ( court card showing ) once the deck is cut and spread it picks up the spectators real selection ( ie hides it ) and then reveals the forced face down selection a few cards further down the stack and it can be removed as itís a clean card . You can even throw in a duplicate of the same court card underneath the force card if you really wanted to so that even appears legit but any simiar court card willl suffice . All I know is that is 100% not a new idea anyone who has played with this principle and principles like this knows tons of these effects Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Ramon M (May 11, 2018 04:20PM)
I have been playing with a similar effect based on an idea that I picked up from Christian Engblom several years ago. Done in the right way it's very effective (because it's very simple and direct). I understand why people get irritated with the misty world of magic advertising but keep in mind that this has been going on since the early days of the craft. Has maybe a bit to do with the nature of the beast as well. I would like to advise people to depend less solely on the stuff they buy and get more creative themselves. The magic will get much better because of it.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 11, 2018 04:35PM)
I agree with you Ramon totally , I always get creative and I actually love it . I also agree there is very little that is completely new in magic . I just object to complete deception on our fellow magicians by saying no R and S or sticky stuff which they know is a big selling point for those who hate it and this I believe is just a variation of indeed that . Its like trying to kid a kidder and it just doesnít wash with me . Best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (May 11, 2018 06:08PM)
I notice the creators keeping his head down now
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (May 11, 2018 07:09PM)
The gimmicks are NEVER touched by the spectator - so the spectator is free to handle all cards
Message: Posted by: Fero (May 13, 2018 01:15PM)
Looks like lately a lot of magicians puts out tricks bassís on the same plot.
What s the difference between Chosen, Prophecy by Vallarino and One by Dobson???
Which one is the best?
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 13, 2018 01:28PM)
[quote]On May 11, 2018, DavidKenney wrote:
The gimmicks are NEVER touched by the spectator - so the spectator is free to handle all cards [/quote]

Thanks David. Sounds like this is a slightly more complex method than I had in mind in order to keep the gimmick out of the specs hands.
Not sure itís really necessary but could be a worthwhile improvement.
The R/S, sticky stuff is still an issue though I believe and it appears the producer of this effect has bowed out of the discussion unfortunately.
Message: Posted by: Rizzo (May 13, 2018 02:18PM)
One by Wayne Dobson does not fall in this category at all. Actually, itís based on a J Bannon effect.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (May 13, 2018 06:11PM)
The ďcreator ď describes it as diabolical if you have a can of SF and 5 minutes itís the first thing youíd think of to do with the stuff
Message: Posted by: Rizzo (May 15, 2018 07:05AM)
Interesting thing with this effect - the way I do it anyway ( assume itís same as this release) is it is clean although as stated, not logical without a good presentation, a fairly easy fix. But you just need two cards altered and the deck does look good before, during and after the effect. I like it ( my way) but surprised at some of the ad claims. However, to be fair, Penn & Teller were fooled recently by a simple effect that most here still hype. So my ask is -is it is the presentation that Ďdisturbsí some here ? If itís method then why are others including the fooling P&T ok - or lastly, does it all depend on who releases an effect ? Just some thoughts, not looking to debate. Actually just curious. Thx all.
Message: Posted by: novasteeple (May 15, 2018 07:29AM)
[quote]On May 15, 2018, Rizzo wrote:
So my ask is -is it is the presentation that Ďdisturbsí some here ? If itís method then why are others including the fooling P&T ok - or lastly, does it all depend on who releases an effect ? [/quote]

My only beef is with the need to put the selected card back in the deck only to immediately remove it again. If you're referring to Copycat by comparison, the necessary steps are motivated by exchanging decks between the magician and spectator, plus the "do as I do" and Bell aspects of the presentation provide a dimension to the routine that provides entertainment beyond the effect itself.
Message: Posted by: Rizzo (May 15, 2018 08:05AM)
Great points! I agree that itís not logical to have card selected- cut into the deck then spread and removed. I do believe with the right motivation & presentation, it can work. Also agree with Copycat- great routining and entertaining effect.
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (May 15, 2018 08:54AM)
Anyone familiar with "The Known" by Thom Peterson (Penguin Download}? It seems to accomplish much the same effect without any gimmicks. Any comparison information would be appreciated. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 15, 2018 09:18AM)
Yes known is a great self working effect based on a very old principle . Thom has added a great equivoque ( which again Iím sure is standard ) and made me realise how strong it plays to a lay audience . A dealing process is involved so it is very different but achieves a similar outcome . I think itís on his amazing guy dvd possibly under another name but itís the same effect , I hope that helps regards Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (May 15, 2018 09:41AM)
Thanks, Tarik. That certainly was helpful.

Steve
Message: Posted by: novasteeple (May 15, 2018 10:07AM)
[quote]On May 15, 2018, drstevemagic wrote:
Anyone familiar with "The Known" by Thom Peterson (Penguin Download}? It seems to accomplish much the same effect without any gimmicks. Any comparison information would be appreciated. Thanks! [/quote]

Yes, in both Chosen and The Known, the spectator's selection matches a prediction. In both cases, the prediction isn't physically involved in the method -- you can use a stranger card, a written note, a photo on a phone, etc. In Chosen, a gimmick is necessary to achieve the match. In The Known, it can be a borrowed deck of regular cards. Neither effect allows the spectator to simply pull one card of the deck and be done with it, but The Known does a much better job of motivating the selection. It's also $5 cheaper, since it's only a download.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 15, 2018 10:36AM)
Yes I agree with the above post you have compared them very well a random any card selections they are not . A process is involved albeit a very good motivated one with Thoms effect . I forget the name but there is similar version as Thoms using a wallet and 2 selections with a circle in one and a square in the other which involves the same principle , best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Rizzo (May 15, 2018 11:39AM)
The addition of the circle /square was a nice touch to this very old effect.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (May 15, 2018 12:01PM)
Just to confirm something we all knew mines arrived and it is SF or Plasticote so despite what ití says on the add copy itís R&S principal
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (May 15, 2018 12:04PM)
I see one dealer is describing it as shocking and amazing ???
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 15, 2018 12:13PM)
[quote]On May 15, 2018, cardbiker wrote:
Just to confirm something we all knew mines arrived and it is SF or Plasticote so despite what ití says on the add copy itís R&S principal [/quote]

Well, I suppose that technically it is not R&S if going by true definition. But I agree that no dealer should ever try and get away with that use of linguistics.
And I think to play dumb and try to claim that they thought it was a totally different thing is being disingenuous to say the least.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (May 17, 2018 12:33AM)
I am not by any means "defending" Titanas but he did change his signature a while back after some discussion about his involvement in everything he promotes to read --- "Product Developer @ Murphys Magic Supplies". <--- on the bottom of all his posts.

By the same token, I have learned enough thru the many posts on this forum to "Ignore" or at least "take with a grain of salt" ANYTHING that he is "EXCITED ABOUT". I consider the source and where his loyalties are (at his job - as anyone would).

I also know several posters who I also ignore completely, and several more that put out what "I" consider - "Trusted Reviews". Your mileage may vary.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 17, 2018 04:21AM)
I would put my loyalty to magic before my job and I would rather lose my job than describe an effect which is poor and he must know the method on . Even he doesnít know the method then I personally wouldnít even advertise it but itís his choice and his own reputation that has being tarnished . It doesnít affect me in the slightest as I can see through all these effects through 40 plus years of experience but I feel sorry for the youngsters and also the new guys and girls coming into this wonderful art who potentially look up to him ( must of us have to as he is about 7ft tall lol ) , I certainly donít ,very best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: dyoung (May 17, 2018 05:22AM)
As misleading at the ad may be, and how poorly justified the process is, in Titanas defense he didn't say he was excited about it. Merely made a product announcement :)

//Dan
Message: Posted by: novasteeple (May 17, 2018 06:48AM)
[quote]On May 17, 2018, dyoung wrote:
As misleading at the ad may be, and how poorly justified the process is, in Titanas defense he didn't say he was excited about it. Merely made a product announcement[/quote]

Yeah, why are we talking about the guy who posted a link to the product, instead of talking about the merits of the product? The original post only described it as a "new release." It didn't even say it was good.
Message: Posted by: RNK (May 17, 2018 07:31AM)
[quote]On May 17, 2018, dyoung wrote:
As misleading at the ad may be, and how poorly justified the process is, in Titanas defense he didn't say he was excited about it. Merely made a product announcement :)

//Dan [/quote]

Agree. It seems some here have a personal issue with Titanas. I for one am getting tired of the repetiviness of the bashing posts. Actually, seems like Titanas is acting more like adult by not responding to the harsh insults that are totally unjustified and have nothing to do with CHOSEN. Further, since he merely introduced the product and is not the creator of the product or the ad.

RNK
Message: Posted by: john G (Jun 27, 2018 06:09AM)
This is a really good effect that if you get past the ad copy you will really enjoy it my full review is here feel free to pm me for any questions

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=668364&forum=109