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Topic: Harry Houdini and the Winchester Mystery House
Message: Posted by: Noog (Jun 3, 2018 05:14PM)
Hi all,

My sister just recently took a tour of the Winchester House and she told me something odd. She says the tour guide told her that Harry Houdini visited the House after Sarah Winchesters passing to do a seance. The tour guide claims that after that seance, Houdini's skepticism regarding seances and spirits was somehow shaken. I can't find any information that corroborates this and I find the idea pretty counter to what I've read of his desire to debunk the whole idea of seances. Can anyone shed any light on this for me?

thanks
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jun 3, 2018 05:44PM)
I'd love to hear more .. What investigative functions have you undertaken? :dancing: This would have had to have happened between 1922 and 1926... :kitty: :spoon:
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Jun 3, 2018 06:21PM)
Sounds like typical tour guide nonsense to me.

However, I would love to be proven wrong about this.
Message: Posted by: gmeister (Jun 3, 2018 07:11PM)
For inquiring minds, more info from John Cox, the amazing compiler of all things Houdini:

https://www.wildabouthoudini.com/search?q=Winchester
Message: Posted by: DocBenWiz (Jun 3, 2018 08:20PM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2018, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:
Sounds like typical tour guide nonsense to me.

However, I would love to be proven wrong about this. [/quote]

Agree, sounds like tour guide dramatic exaggeration (perhaps innocently or in forgivable ignorance) but taking freedom with facts to enhance a story and make it more memorable to the general tourist.
:sun: :coolspot:
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jun 3, 2018 11:48PM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2018, gmeister wrote:
For inquiring minds, more info from John Cox, the amazing compiler of all things Houdini:

https://www.wildabouthoudini.com/search?q=Winchester [/quote]
Some amazing stuff here .. Unfortunately Edward Saint is anything but.......
Message: Posted by: dorian_faust (Jun 3, 2018 11:52PM)
I used to be a tour guide at The Winchester Mystery House. Houdini did indeed visit after Sarah passed away, but no, his skepticism was unaffected. There is a LOT of stuff in the script we had to follow that is either exaggeration or just false.
Message: Posted by: Rook (Jun 4, 2018 07:57PM)
When I visited the Winchester house, I saw an article describing the visit. I forget the specifics, but it indeed documents the event to some degree.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jun 5, 2018 02:31AM)
Edward Saint wanted to have another Seance there after the FINAL Seance hoax ... ;) :carrot:
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Jun 5, 2018 09:39PM)
We're going there in July. My wife signed us up for the "Explore More" tour, so maybe we see more than the regular tour?
Message: Posted by: Noog (Jun 6, 2018 06:07PM)
[quote]On Jun 5, 2018, Wizard of Oz wrote:
We're going there in July. My wife signed us up for the "Explore More" tour, so maybe we see more than the regular tour? [/quote]

My sister wanted to go on that tour, but couldn't. I guess you get to see more rooms that were damaged in an earthquake. Grill the tour guide about Houdini for me and report back. ;)
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jun 6, 2018 06:40PM)
I'm reading a book about this house now......
Message: Posted by: Al Desmond (Jun 7, 2018 09:26AM)
[quote]On Jun 5, 2018, Wizard of Oz wrote:
We're going there in July. My wife signed us up for the "Explore More" tour, so maybe we see more than the regular tour? [/quote]

DON'T take the "Explore More" tour. I have a friend, er ... had a friend, who took that tour and well, er ... he's gone, somewhere, I guess.
Message: Posted by: Anverdi-museum (Jun 7, 2018 12:38PM)
Just an observation: It is pretty amazing that overall Magicians and Mentalists do not believe in anything supernatural yet we try to portray such things in our act(s). I am in no way trying to sound like a smart ass but isn't that a bit closed minded? Maybe you folks should try and book a night at the Villisca Ax Murder house or take a walk at 3:00 am in a local cemetery...I can pretty much promise you will not be disappointed. From an early age and throughout my life I have indeed experienced paranormal activtiy...no, I do not do drugs...no I do not drink. Why do you think most of my inventions and performances gravitate towards this area, I am intrigued. Isn't there anyone out there who experienced anything?? Maybe it is time for an honest discussion. I noticed when a close loved one passes away sometimes shortly after you will have some sort of experience and it isn't wishful thinking...just curious..reply please.
Message: Posted by: dorian_faust (Jun 7, 2018 02:57PM)
If any of you want a good book on the actual story behind Sarah Winchester, I HIGHLY recommend reading the book Captive of the Labyrinth by Mary Jo Ignoffo
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jun 8, 2018 12:00PM)
[quote]On Jun 7, 2018, dorian_faust wrote:
If any of you want a good book on the actual story behind Sarah Winchester, I HIGHLY recommend reading the book Captive of the Labyrinth by Mary Jo Ignoffo [/quote]
That's the one I'm reading ... :dancing:
Message: Posted by: Necromancer (Jun 10, 2018 02:30PM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2018, dorian_faust wrote:
I used to be a tour guide at The Winchester Mystery House. Houdini did indeed visit after Sarah passed away, but no, his skepticism was unaffected. There is a LOT of stuff in the script we had to follow that is either exaggeration or just false. [/quote]
Here's the November 1924 article from The Oregon Daily documenting Houdini's visit, currently on display at the Winchester House's rifle museum. Houdini makes it clear that he considers the building an example of the mental ills which purportedly befall believers in Spiritualism (against which his presentations were intended to warn):
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dYOtHVh3gw4/WnpZzBpWV0I/AAAAAAAAr7c/oVfL95n_82osLPwy6TD_Mlru2tu9Re9rwCLcBGAs/s1600/winchester.jpg
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jun 10, 2018 11:46PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2018, Necromancer wrote:
[quote]On Jun 3, 2018, dorian_faust wrote:
I used to be a tour guide at The Winchester Mystery House. Houdini did indeed visit after Sarah passed away, but no, his skepticism was unaffected. There is a LOT of stuff in the script we had to follow that is either exaggeration or just false. [/quote]
Here's the November 1924 article from The Oregon Daily documenting Houdini's visit, currently on display at the Winchester House's rifle museum. Houdini makes it clear that he considers the building an example of the mental ills which purportedly befall believers in Spiritualism (against which his presentations were intended to warn):
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dYOtHVh3gw4/WnpZzBpWV0I/AAAAAAAAr7c/oVfL95n_82osLPwy6TD_Mlru2tu9Re9rwCLcBGAs/s1600/winchester.jpg [/quote]
Well .. The book seems to give a few reasons why the place was so misunderstood... Houdini could have been 180 degrees off ... :spinningcoin:
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Jun 11, 2018 07:35AM)
While someone being duped into building another Winchester Mystery House is highly unlikely, it is important to note that there are still shut-eye psychics out there who unintentionally create similar harm in their clients.

I am a member of a Paranormal Research Group, and yesterday at our bi-weekly meeting, we discussed several cases where clients had contacted us to investigate their hauntings. We found out that they had previously contacted another group and/or psychic, who filled their heads with nonsense. Now we have a case where the client believes that he is being tormented by fairies and trolls. There's probably a quite rational explanation for all of his phenomenon, but now that he is convinced of this particular reality, it will be nearly impossible to dissuade him of his paradigm.

While I don't see him building his own Mystery House, he is having trouble living a normal life now.