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Topic: Printing tarot cards
Message: Posted by: Radek (Aug 2, 2018 04:14AM)
Hi all,



I am planning to give a try to the aging process on tarot cards but I am not ready to try it with new deck from the shop.

Could you indicate me some online resources to get printable tarot cards (both sides) ?

Those resources don’t have to be free, just quality stuff in order to print and start aging them.



The purpose is to use them for a Bizarre magic gig.



Thx a lot,


R.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Aug 2, 2018 06:47AM)
Wish it were so easy. Let's just print some Tarot cards to practice aging. You need to know proper paper choice, a heavy paper printer or someway to sandwich layers to get the thickness. If you use water based aging you will need to color laser print or take the chance of the ink jet ink smearing in the process. Of course you could just cut the paper and not print on it if it is just aging of the background you want to practice. It may be cheaper and a lot less time consuming to just buy a couple decks on e-bay and go from there.

Now you know why most creators do only a major arcana and charge several dollars a card.

Good Luck, let me know how it turns out.
Message: Posted by: Radek (Aug 2, 2018 10:35AM)
Hi Wee,



You make the point.

It is more paramount to do as you tell, buying chinese ebay cards to practice. In fact, I will have 56 attemps to find a good way to age my major arcanas.

Btw, do you recommend an aging method ?



Rgds,


R.
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Aug 2, 2018 10:42AM)
Steel wool and strong tea.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Aug 2, 2018 08:29PM)
Rent a dryer in a laundromat ... Fill it with trash and your cards ... Maybe some coffee grounds and a little olive oil..... ;)
Message: Posted by: Radek (Aug 3, 2018 12:58AM)
[quote]On Aug 2, 2018, Slim King wrote:
Rent a dryer in a laundromat ... Fill it with trash and your cards ... Maybe some coffee grounds and a little olive oil..... ;) [/quote]
I am not confident about this method...
Message: Posted by: Black Hart (Aug 3, 2018 01:43AM)
A fine sandpaper lightly around the edges and on the face and back of each card will make them look worn. The (if you are in the UK, as I can't ship this product overseas) a light dusting with Dr Strange Instant Old Age Atomiser will make then look as though they have been handled many times. It is a dry spray so it will not make any ink run.

Keith Hart
Message: Posted by: Winks (Aug 4, 2018 08:40AM)
People way over-age paper items. Paper left out in the sun develops a light yellow-brown tone - the more acidic the paper, the more yellowish-brown. Even then it is not the extreme tea induced look that so many aged props have. Paper, especially cards, that is less than 100 years old just has a slight tinge with some random "dirt" gound into the cards, so to speak, from many years of handling. It is hard to reproduce well. Keith Hart's method does work well, but if you are not in the UK, forget it. I am not. I have used a light atomiser spray of Moser's aniline dye - the alcohol soluble (alcohol will not wrinkle paper as water does) - the honey amber maple works well. Again, light coats and mainly around the outside 1/8 to 1/3 of the card. And, as Keith said, a light - LIGHT - sanding just to offer some wear. Weathering is an art. I build models and weather them. There are books - many - written about weathering models, so it is not an easy task to do well. There are no books that I know of that are designed for paper or magic props. It is a case of learn as you go for even the pros in this field. Too many do too much and it screams PROP!!! Prof BC does an excellent job with his stuff as does Vic Nadata and Dan from Lebanon Circle. I also use paper that I buy when I can find it on Etsy and Ebay that is old - 100 years or so if possible - and use that from letters and such (and fonts representing early typewriters that I collect as I find them on the internet). That paper works better than anything I can age artificially.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out. Weathering is truly an area where less is more.
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (Aug 4, 2018 08:45AM)
[quote]On Aug 4, 2018, Winks wrote:
People way over-age paper items. Paper left out in the sun develops a light yellow-brown tone - the more acidic the paper, the more yellowish-brown. Even then it is not the extreme tea induced look that so many aged props have. Paper, especially cards, that is less than 100 years old just has a slight tinge with some random "dirt" gound into the cards, so to speak, from many years of handling. It is hard to reproduce well. Keith Hart's method does work well, but if you are not in the UK, forget it. I am not. I have used a light atomiser spray of Moser's aniline dye - the alcohol soluble (alcohol will not wrinkle paper as water does) - the honey amber maple works well. Again, light coats and mainly around the outside 1/8 to 1/3 of the card. And, as Keith said, a light - LIGHT - sanding just to offer some wear. Weathering is an art. I build models and weather them. There are books - many - written about weathering models, so it is not an easy task to do well. Prof BC does an excellent job with his stuff as does Vic Nadata and Dan from Lebanon Circle. I also use paper that I buy when I can find it on Etsy and Ebay that is old - 100 years or so if possible - and use that from letters and such (and fonts representing early typewriters that I collect as I find them on the internet). That paper works better than anything I can age artificially.

You are correct about the over-aging. Outlaw over aged so much I tried to buy mine not aged when possible. My initial Luna looked like it spent years in a vat of water. Also old paper has more linen to it than the newer papers have, so they last longer. Good luck on the aging.


Good luck and let us know how it turns out. Weathering is truly an area where less is more. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Pizpor (Aug 5, 2018 09:57PM)
Regarding the printing of the cards. Amazon has a book that comes with a CD containing tarot card clip art work. You could use it to set up a deck which you could then print. It's only about $20. Look for the title: The Art of Tarot Cards CD-ROM and Book (Dover Electronic Clip Art).
Message: Posted by: Conus (Aug 18, 2018 03:00PM)
Use one of the online sources for limited run custom decks -- cost can be around $15.

Experiment with your ageing process ahead of time using samples of standard playing cards with different types of finishes.

I would think the art and design of the deck would be more compelling than the ageing process you choose. Match your art style with the era you are trying to mimic. (e.g., a Parisian Art Nouveau would use floral enhancements with long stylish lines). Colors could be muted or matched to the inks used in the printing process of the time period. (e.g., muted forest greens, etc.)

Good luck -- let us know how they turn out.
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Aug 18, 2018 03:10PM)
[quote]On Aug 2, 2018, Radek wrote:
Hi all,


Could you indicate me some online resources to get printable tarot cards (both sides) ?

Those resources don’t have to be free, just quality stuff in order to print and start aging them.



The purpose is to use them for a Bizarre magic gig.



Thx a lot,


R. [/quote]


This might work. I have never tried them but it reads well.

https://www.makeplayingcards.com/design/design-your-own-tarot-cards.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products&utm_campaign=googleps&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_YLxlrzm3AIVlLjACh0Ihg51EAQYBSABEgJyOPD_BwE



Ray
Message: Posted by: Winks (Aug 19, 2018 09:48AM)
Regarding aging playing/tarot cards. here is something to consider: cards do not so much age - in the sense of yellowing - as they do get dirty. A little soft graphite (a drafting pencil rubbed on sandpaper) as well as some fine dirt just lightly rubbed on the cards does wonders for giving them an authentic aged look.
Message: Posted by: Pasteboard Alchemist (Aug 20, 2018 12:04PM)
[quote]On Aug 19, 2018, Winks wrote:
Regarding aging playing/tarot cards. here is something to consider: cards do not so much age - in the sense of yellowing - as they do get dirty. A little soft graphite (a drafting pencil rubbed on sandpaper) as well as some fine dirt just lightly rubbed on the cards does wonders for giving them an authentic aged look. [/quote]

This is sound advice. Tarot cards used by actual, working readers get mixed dozens of times per day. This can cause the edges to wear in interesting patterns. The most common I see is the sides becoming concave (due to being "lightly shuffled" by the sides into a single stack.) Below, I've posted a photo of a shut-eye reader using a standard Mogan-Greer tarot deck. Now, the faces and backs of these are especially worn--far more than I'd age a deck, that's for sure, as you can't even tell what the faces are anymore--but note the side edges, and how they're worn in (an filthily dark) on the edge right where her thumb hits.

[img]http://www.irondesigner.com/tarot-worn.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Intrepid (Aug 20, 2018 02:05PM)
For custom Tarot cards I suggest:
https://www.etsy.com/shop/tarotbyseven?section_id=12929876
Message: Posted by: Schaff (Aug 20, 2018 05:54PM)
Interesting— I’m not one to ruffle shuffle tarot cards, am I in the minority?
Message: Posted by: Delimbeau (Aug 21, 2018 01:32AM)
It looks more like a roughle shuffle indeed. 😊
Message: Posted by: Schaff (Aug 21, 2018 03:05AM)
Autocorrect.... I need to stop posting from my phone. :)
Message: Posted by: MrPoponi (Aug 21, 2018 08:57AM)
Magus Marseille Tarot

I bought this deck from the review below and was very pleased.
I have a lot of decks, but this one I like to use for presentations and "real" readings. I don´t know if it can be found currently ...


https://ningthing.com/review-magus-marseille-tarot-witness-pendulums-divination-magick/

(I think buying may be the best way out, but you might find some decks used by readers for sale)
Message: Posted by: ProfessorMagicJMG (Aug 21, 2018 12:14PM)
[quote]On Aug 21, 2018, MrPoponi wrote:
Magus Marseille Tarot

I bought this deck from the review below and was very pleased.
I have a lot of decks, but this one I like to use for presentations and "real" readings. I don´t know if it can be found currently ...


https://ningthing.com/review-magus-marseille-tarot-witness-pendulums-divination-magick/

(I think buying may be the best way out, but you might find some decks used by readers for sale) [/quote]

I tried to get this but there were apparently issues with the creator or distributor. Not currently available to my knowledge.
Message: Posted by: Evelyn (Aug 21, 2018 11:29PM)
For what it's worth, I just got done printing a massive batch of custom cards from Makeplayingcards.com and can attest to both their quality and their customer service. They have several options in terms of paper quality, matte/shine and weight so you might want to order a few samples first if you do go that route, but I found it was well worth the investment and they really suited my needs!
Message: Posted by: danieltirado (Dec 25, 2018 10:00PM)
Nice info in here, thanks guys!
Message: Posted by: B.W. McCarron (Jan 5, 2019 04:19PM)
[quote]On Aug 21, 2018, Evelyn wrote:
For what it's worth, I just got done printing a massive batch of custom cards from Makeplayingcards.com and can attest to both their quality and their customer service. They have several options in terms of paper quality, matte/shine and weight so you might want to order a few samples first if you do go that route, but I found it was well worth the investment and they really suited my needs! [/quote]

Thanks for the link. I'll keep this site in mind for my next project.
Message: Posted by: Intrapsi (Feb 2, 2019 04:30AM)
Hi Keith

Can You ship Dr Strange Instant Old Age Atomiser in Europe outside UK, in Italy for example?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Intrapsi (Feb 2, 2019 04:37AM)
[quote]I am not ready to try it with new deck from the shop[/quote]

I think it's better to start with a shop tarot deck because it does not have to be perfect, and the imperfections of each card make the tarot deck unique, special, credible and bizarre.
Message: Posted by: ManxBull (Feb 2, 2019 05:08PM)
[quote]On Feb 2, 2019, Intrapsi wrote:
Hi Keith

Can You ship Dr Strange Instant Old Age Atomiser in Europe outside UK, in Italy for example?

Thanks [/quote]

In case Keith doesn't see this to reply, he's away on tour till May, so won't be shipping anything till then in any case.
Message: Posted by: Intrapsi (Feb 3, 2019 05:25PM)
[quote]he's away on tour till May, so won't be shipping anything till then in any case.[/quote]

Thanks