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Topic: PRISM
Message: Posted by: equivoque (Sep 5, 2018 07:35PM)
I really enjoyed PRISM & I am glad it is back in print. Why at double the price? That aside Max is amazing the book and the vast majority of his books and DVDís are well worth the investment.
Message: Posted by: Mac_Stone (Sep 5, 2018 08:56PM)
Used copies have sold for hundreds of dollars.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Sep 6, 2018 06:53AM)
The "color series" was never suppose to be reprinted. When Prism came out, I think many people thought it might be their only chance to get some pretty obscure material? First prints sold out quickly. So I'm guessing that why the higher price. Well worth it though.
Message: Posted by: Oscar999 (Sep 6, 2018 12:07PM)
How many books get a second printing at twice the price? That speaks volumes for the desirability and quality of the material!

Good for Max.

Message: Posted by: equivoque (Sep 6, 2018 01:15PM)
Yes, it is good material. I must say I was surprised that the original was only $30.
Message: Posted by: Samuel Catoe (Sep 8, 2018 08:15PM)
Actually, the original was priced at $40. It was actually priced lower than many books that were being published at that time dealing with mentalism, so I'm not surprised at all with a $60 tag.
Message: Posted by: Cryptghost (Sep 18, 2018 04:12AM)
I just bought this book, I saw it on ebay for $xxx, then I suddenly saw it on PenguinMagic and ordered it for $40, I cannot wait to read it, I have heard so many positive reviews about it,
Message: Posted by: Chris K (Sep 19, 2018 02:12PM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2018, equivoque wrote:
Why at double the price? [/quote]

Message: Posted by: Paul R (Sep 20, 2018 06:21AM)
I regularly go back and re-read this. I'm always interested to see how I move my post it notes around, and re-comment my comments as I grow and learn more. Notes from the first reading a decade ago showing my ignorance, and evolving to demonstrate an understanding of the concepts and genius I missed first time around as a relative newcomer. True for many books of course, but for some reason especially this one.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Sep 20, 2018 06:25AM)
I respect your self reflections Paul :) I should do what you do.
Message: Posted by: Paul R (Sep 20, 2018 07:53AM)
[quote]On Sep 20, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
I respect your self reflections Paul :) I should do what you do. [/quote]

Sometimes we can learn more from ourselves than we can from others... :)
Message: Posted by: danieltirado (Dec 23, 2018 08:08AM)
Wohoiii just purchased it, will give atter my reviews.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 23, 2018 09:33AM)
I like the Violet book the best. It is the concluding one in Prism.
Message: Posted by: George Hunter (Dec 23, 2018 10:35AM)
Publishing costs more than it used to.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 23, 2018 11:54AM)
It is a book everyone should have even if you don't use the exact effects as presented. There are good ideas that will lead you to create your own effects with the same methodology.
Message: Posted by: David Thiel (Dec 23, 2018 08:39PM)
Just Desire alone...worth ten times the price of the book.

Message: Posted by: Darby (Dec 24, 2018 05:51PM)
[quote]On Dec 23, 2018, David Thiel wrote:
Just Desire alone...worth ten times the price of the book.

David [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Wravyn (Dec 24, 2018 07:35PM)
Destiny is the main reason I bought the book. Iím going to have to reread Just Desire.
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Nov 11, 2019 08:43PM)
Yes, Desire is amazing!
Message: Posted by: magiccollector69 (Nov 12, 2019 02:50PM)
Synchronicity that this topic has come up as I've just been re-reading my copy (first edition hardcover apparently) over the past week.

I found one effect in the book, Tis the Season to be Lying, which was interesting because it was simple, and because Christmas is coming. The effect is a L&D test using Christmas gift name tags. 4 are chosen and names are inscribed by party guests, 3 put names of loved ones on their tags, and one puts the name of a non loved one on their tag. A 5th spectator is used to pick a tag at random. The mentalist says to her "If I were to sort through these four tags and find the only one that bears a real [sic] name, wouldn't that be impressive?" The lady nods in agreement. "Well I think it would be even more impressive if YOU did it..."

As a reader at this point I'm thinking, well this IS interesting. I can think of one way that this might be done, but let's read further.

"The performer gets the woman up onto the stage. She is asked to reach out and pick up one tag. This she does. She holds onto this tag as the performer reads out the three that are left."

WOW, thinks I, to borrow from a Ginzu knife commercial, NOW how much would you pay?

So I get to the Modus section: "How do you ensure the spectator picks the proper tag? The answer is E******e." WTH?

The text goes on to note that the technique is described in a book by Bob Lynn. A, presumably modern, footnote notes that the book was never published but the essay was later published in 1976 as Verbal Control.

There's one other effect in Prism which also uses the same Modus. I can only imagine the joy I would have felt back in the day trying to reconcile what was then a common concept of how the technique was used by most amateurs, which was selecting a gem on a Hot Rod, to this tag trick. Thank god I didn't know this trick or I would have tried it I'm sure, then would have been surprised by how badly it was received.

I have Verbal Control. And I finally recently tracked down what it's based on (mentioned in Verbal Control), Phantini's Mental key. And I've even had the good fortune to be at a lecture by Eugene Burger where he tried to teach us this technique. There is no way that that process, no matter how expertly done, can honestly be described as "reaching out and picking up one tag."

This kind of thing wasn't unheard of then of course, neither is it now. In the excellent 1972 beginners book Magic Digest there is a sidebar entitled Truth in Advertising, which includes among other things this: "...a trick in which a billiard ball first appeared in an empty box then then, removed from the box and held openly in the magicians hand, mysteriously vanishes without cover." Customers received ".....and instructions to vanish the ball by your favorite method."
Message: Posted by: Mac_Stone (Nov 12, 2019 06:05PM)
[quote]On Nov 12, 2019, magiccollector69 wrote:
There is no way that that process, no matter how expertly done, can honestly be described as "reaching out and picking up one tag."

My math might be off but there's at least a 25% chance that is exactly what will happen.
Message: Posted by: magiccollector69 (Nov 12, 2019 06:21PM)
[quote]On Nov 12, 2019, Mac_Stone wrote:
[quote]On Nov 12, 2019, magiccollector69 wrote:
There is no way that that process, no matter how expertly done, can honestly be described as "reaching out and picking up one tag."

My math might be off but there's at least a 25% chance that is exactly what will happen. [/quote]

The implication is that it would happen 100% of the time. Actually I'm not sure it's an implication. I think it's more of a statement as fact.
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Nov 12, 2019 06:55PM)
Depending on how good you are at presenting e********, your odds are substantially higher than 25%, and can in fact reach above the 75% range.

While the subtleties in the handling of e******** have definitely improved over the years, there's a reason why the original color books were primarily aimed at the underground. Heck, this was before the rapid commercialization of mentalism, when it was still a branch of magic had yet to be routinely performed by birthday party clowns.
Message: Posted by: magiccollector69 (Nov 12, 2019 09:26PM)
Philemon, I understand and fully agree with your post. My point however was the published statement of the effect, and how it relates in general to other published statements of effects we read. And yes, my disappointment that such an description was used in such an extremely 'closed' publication.

I would greedily welcome references to more recent publications about how to apply e* than I've mentioned. To me it's like learning to play poker; it's not just the rules, it's how things unfold. Fascinating to learn and practice.

In the past week as I've been reviewing the previously mentioned studies I found myself wondering, how could something so ephemeral, something which requires so much skill, have such a limited body of published knowledge? Is it that there's little more to be published? Is it that the best of the best are (understandably) keeping information among themselves? I.e. how is it that the hop from "give me a number..." to "you selected the triangle" is like the leap from the monkey to the human, is how it seems to be in magic.

Regarding "the rapid commercialization of mentalism", I admit I'm curious as to what the current perception of that time period is. I'm not fishing or teasing, just genuinely curious. I do recall thinking at some point that the rapidly increasing levels of technology in general seemed to be slowly making mentalism seem to be the one branch of magic which would be last to be crushed under the boot of mediocrity. Color changes. Remote viewing. Penetrations, changes in matter, all seemed to be encroached upon as various scientific principles became more common to the average person. I'm not sure when that occurred to me. I'd have to check the dates of books in my library to see when some of them were bought and/or published.