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Topic: Do Silkie Doves carry bird dander?
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Oct 4, 2018 06:41PM)
I understand regular doves carry bird dander. Do Silkie Doves carry it?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Oct 5, 2018 09:10AM)
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Oct 5, 2018 09:18AM)
Thanks for letting me know, Bill.
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Oct 20, 2018 05:20AM)
Hi Mike. I think we had a discussion on the doves dander before.
Yes, dove dander is not good for the lungs. I've heard that it can cause serious health issues later on in life..
Google dove dander not good for the lungs. There are lots of information there.
Tricky Ricky
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Oct 20, 2018 04:25PM)
Mike, I thought you used Silkies in your act? If so you would know about the dander.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Oct 21, 2018 10:35AM)
Yes, Tricky Ricky. I learned about it from The Magic Café. Thank you.

Dave, isn't dove dander a small light particle like dust? If it is I cannot see by naked eye if a Silkie Dove carries it. Am I picturing something wrong or can dove dander be seen by naked eye?
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Oct 21, 2018 04:25PM)
Mike, yes dander is a dust like substance. It is in the air around the dove especially as you handle the bird but you will see it on items around the doves like furniture, walls and floors. You won't see it on your hands. If you remember some of my older post, I had my doves in my basement for quite a while and although I haven't had doves for several years, I'm still cleaning up the dust.

Amos did die of lung cancer but I don't think it was linked to dove dander.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Oct 22, 2018 10:21AM)
I did not know that. I thought it was dust from the furnace vents.
Message: Posted by: UneasierQuill (Feb 7, 2019 10:03PM)
There's always a risk of hypersensitivity pneumonitis if you keep birds - especially indoors. Probably more of a risk from the dust of their waste, but dander can be a culprit as well. If you keep your birds indoors, I'd wear a dust mask at the very least when doing cage maintenance; I breed birds ("miniature" ring neck doves) and at times have several (up to 40, give or take), keep them in an outdoor aviary and still use a mask when doing cleaning.

Just recently, in the past few years, 2 local breeders (pigeons, not doves) have had to give up their birds because of lung issues. It's more serious, and under diagnosed, than most people would think.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 10, 2019 06:22PM)
When your lungs fill up with dander, your body will tell you, you can't breath. I know I experienced it. I never read anything about Dander, while searching for the care and feeding of doves. Actually, all birds have dander, even parakeets, I would think it is part of the molting process.

Anyway, I had my birds in the living room, and I sat just below the cage. One evening, the birds were active and a huge cloud of feathers and dander came down on me. I brushed myself off, and cleaned up the feather.

The next evening, I once again noticed particles falling from the cage, reflected by the light. After several days, I was watching television, and all of a sudden, I could not breath, gasping for air. My wife at the time rushed me to the ER, and all they did was give me some oxygen. Nothing else was performed. It is interesting how there is so many things there are no treatment for still after all these medical advancements.

The above story was over maybe 2 or 3 week period. This was around 1982, so not Internet. I have not had any adverse lung problems ever since from this attack. Wow, that was almost 40 years ago.
Message: Posted by: UneasierQuill (Feb 13, 2019 11:41PM)

Have you kept birds since the attack or rid yourself of them after that? Most people I have known who kept birds inside and suffered from it soon became ex-bird keepers. I kept parakeets and a parrot inside as a kid (our family rather, too young to manage at the time) but haven't had anything indoors since. Tempting at times for the novelty,or companionship (both for the bird and for us), but hesitant to do so because of "Bird fancier's lung." I live rural and keep a lot - ducks, chickens, quail, the occasional turkey, pheasant, or partridge as well as doves (which I'm considering abandoning). It's rare that I use a dove in an act - more commonly a chicken and/or duck with my magic character. I'm down to a single breeding pair as of today - difficult to pull the trigger entirely on getting rid of them, but who know.

Anyway, this become a ramble rather than a post - just curious on your bird keeping experience after your health episode.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 14, 2019 09:27AM)
No, I keep them, they lived 22 years. One got sick, and the other was lonely, so I had to put him end his life.

It ws actually more my fault for the attach, because if I would have showered them more often, then it would not have been an issue. Clean the cage at least twick a week. Not just dump the poop, but actually wash down the cage with disinfectant. You just don'e realize how fast that those molting feathers and dander builds up, until the flap their wings.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Feb 15, 2019 03:44PM)
I've mentioned this in other topics but it bears repeating. When I was actively performing a dove act, I built an aviary in my basement and had 31 doves at one point. I did have a lot of ventilation and kept the place as clean as I could. Fortunately, I've had no ill effects but it did bother my wife who has asthma. I eventually moved them outside to my garage. That was about 5 years ago. I'm still cleaning up bird dander in the basement.
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Nov 3, 2019 10:52PM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2018, Dynamike wrote:
I understand regular doves carry bird dander. Do Silkie Doves carry it? [/quote]

Mike, if you go to a pet store there are spray products that will clear the issue of dander, check it out, it’s a simple fix
Message: Posted by: Regan (Jan 6, 2020 11:07PM)
Dander was a problem and I tried to use caution because of the lung disease it can cause. Like Dave, my wife has asthma also, so indoors was not an option for my doves. I kept them in an outdoor building and used a mask when cleaning.

Sadly, the last of my doves finally passed away so I am now 'doveless'. I have been looking for some for a long time but I just have not been able to obtain any. I would love to have some Silkies but I have not had any luck finding those either. Oh well, the search continues! Not many options in my area.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jan 7, 2020 09:47AM)
Regan, sorry to hear about the passing of your dove. We've all been there but it doesn't get any easier. I wish I had some doves to send you but I stopped breeding awhile ago.
Message: Posted by: Regan (Jan 7, 2020 02:19PM)
Thank you Dave. Not using them in my shows seems odd now. I hope to find some someday.

The way my doves passed seemed was kind of strange. I bought 4 originally, and I could tell that 2 were older. I tried pairing them up (older pair & younger pair) training the younger ones for my show and hoping the older ones might breed. Turns out that all 4 were female. Anyway, I later found a male but he seemed very old. He chose one of my older ones and they finally had 1 baby, but it was born in the winter. They kicked it from the nest before it was ready to survive on it's own and it died.

They never hatched another egg and a couple of years later the male passed away. About a year or so after that his mate died. Then about 1 year later my other 'older' dove died. At that point I still had my 2 'younger' doves that were trained so I was still ok. I really had no idea how much younger they were than the pair that had passed so I begin to wonder how long they would be with me. The next year 1 of them died, leaving me with only one remaining.

At that point I was really worried because once my adult doves started dying I had lost 1 dove per year over a 5 year period almost like clockwork. To be honest I was expecting my last dove to pass away within another year, but she lasted for about 2 1/2 years.

I have been looking for doves in my area for so long. Even after I found the 4 I bought I continued looking. I finally found the old male but I still kept my eyes open for doves. As mine started passing away my search intensified. Now I have been without doves for over a year and I continue to look and hope I will find some again someday.
Message: Posted by: gregg webb (Jan 28, 2021 10:55PM)
All birds have it. Each new feather comes in wrapped in a sheath that disintegrates and then the feather opens out. The disintegrated sheath is what the dander is. Breeders of show pigeons used to develop "Bird Fanciers' Lung" from breathing the dander, if I understand correctly. So, in modern times, vacuum their cage.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jan 29, 2021 06:03PM)
Gregg, I don't mean to turn this into a medical discussion but you are not completely correct. Bird dander is a fine powder on the wings closest to the skin that keeps them soft and silky. While vacuming does reduce some of the dust, the cage should be thoroughly cleaned at least weekly with bleach. This not only disinfects the cage from other bacteria but cleans up the dander. As I've mentioned several times before, I kept an aviary with 31 birds in my basement. Years after removing them from that aviary, I'm still cleaning up dander. The most serious case of disease in humans was David Oliver. After years of working with doves, he had to have a double lung transplant.