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Topic: Unsolved - New Lebanon Circle Release
Message: Posted by: Bogbadger (Nov 21, 2018 12:16PM)
Lebanon Circle have just added an intriguing new item to their portfolio. Details at lebanoncircle.co.uk

“Over a year in the making. Designed in association with Phill Smith (‘DMC Elites’). Unsolved is a powerful tool for bizarrists, mentalists and magicians willing to give compelling demonstrations of mediumship!

Unsolved is based on a real-world item originally developed by U.S. law enforcement agencies in order to solve crimes.”

My order went in about 20 seconds after reading the description on the website. It’ll be backed by Dan’s exceptional customer service so you can’t go wrong!
Message: Posted by: ManxBull (Nov 21, 2018 01:29PM)
I didn't get home till late last night, so was worried I might have missed out by the time I read the email, but I got one! Dispatched today. It looks intriguing.
Message: Posted by: Intrepid (Nov 21, 2018 03:09PM)
I will not by any more cool props. I will not by any more cool props. Okay, who am I trying to fool, my finger was on the paypal button before I even finished reading the description.
Message: Posted by: bartleby (Nov 21, 2018 04:01PM)
This looks fascinating. I do need to ask about the phone number on the cards on the webpage. It jumped out to me as a clearly fake number for folks in North America. Am I reading that wrong?
Message: Posted by: Bogbadger (Nov 21, 2018 04:13PM)
Sorry Bartleby, as I come from England I have spent the last 49 years convinced that everybody’s phone number in the USA starts with 555 because they do don’t they?! Will investigate further when I recieve my copy and will report back.
Message: Posted by: ManxBull (Nov 22, 2018 12:01PM)
Arrived in today's post. A nice deck which is much more than a one trick pony. Comes with three suggested effects, but with plenty of potential for many more applications.

The system is fiendishly clever. It requires a little memorisation, but nothing too taxing.

A very worthwhile acquisition.
Message: Posted by: Bogbadger (Nov 23, 2018 05:45AM)
Received yesterday and it is rather fantastic. As Manxbull says it is fiendishly clever but in the right situation it will be a jaw dropper. You do need to judge when to perform it for the right audience because it is pretty dark. I’m afraid I can’t answer the question re the phone number Barteby, in the UK I can’t see the 555 part being picked up on at all especially as the toll free pre-fix is also there. I assume it is used for the same reason it is used in films and tv shows to avoid real people being harassed by nuisance calls. There is so much going for this effect that I can’t see it being a problem. Perhaps drop a query on the Lebanon Circle forum?
Message: Posted by: bartleby (Nov 23, 2018 10:35AM)
I am sure it is not a problem in the UK, and likely not one here too. I didn't mean to make a big deal about it. As always, context, story, and audience control will win the day.
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Nov 23, 2018 12:06PM)
Hello,

I thought that I would write about these types of cards. I used to work (day job) in corrections (in a jail) for 15 years. We have these same types of cards that we would give the inmates to play with. The hope of course was that an inmate might have information of one of the unsolved cases. I have never heard of any inmate ever giving up any information but at least we tried as this was truly a last ditch effort in solving a case. These cards that lebanoncircle sells look just like the one we had for the inmates.

When you look at the cards on the web site how many decks do you see? You will say only one….. The inmates always see at least TWO. These cards and normal playing cards were often torn in half to create two decks. I have even seen four decks made from one. The blank torn corners would be penciled in with the shape of the suit and the number of the card. So from one deck you could get four.

Cards games along with bones were the staple of what was played by the inmates. These games were often played as relaxing games to help create a norm while living in a dorm or cell with other inmates.

The inmates would range from the really dumb guy to the very smart con man. The inmates also would be a mixture of the innocent, small thieves and up to murders. Just because an inmate was a nice person and very likeable, you still, if possible, never turn your back. This is almost impossible when working in an environment like that. Once when I was a trainee (referred to by the inmates as a New C O C K), I was walking along the upper deck of the dorm that house 200 inmates, I was heading toward the metal stairs to go down them and return back to what we called the OIC office. As I past an inmate, his eyes met mine, and without appearing to say a word, he simple said, “They are going to push you down the stairs” I didn’t appear to look at him (only moving my eyes) or stopped my forward motion cause if I did, I might have put him in danger from other inmate for giving me a heads up. I continue toward the stairs aware that I was given a warning. Only a few steps from the top of the metal stairs I suddenly heard running feet against the cement floor coming toward me. I side step and turned in a very defense motion. The runner suddenly stopped about five feet from me and started laughing and said, your time is coming. Can you image being forcedly pushed forward down a flight of metal stairs?

Back to the cards…. These cards games would many times be played for food, such as a breakfast tray or something from the canteen that was referred to as sweetie gold’s. And if the loser didn’t pay up, he would often be put on a head watch in the infirmary. You can read between the lines on that one…

At times we would get an inmate that thought he was smart and would run up a debt with others and when the payment came due, would cause all-heck in the dorm and we would move him to another dorm. Because of the move, this so called smart inmate thought he was home clear and didn’t have to pay his debts….. MOST of the time he would find that he was very mistaken. Kites would be given to other inmates and trustees who would finally passed the kites to the dorm where the smart (dumb) guy was now located. Needless to say, there was a good chance he also was placed on a head watch in the infirmary. Inmates stick together and not one of them likes a thief.

I can give more examples if you like to help color your presentation of these cards. I thought that a little background might be cool to give you a more real account of how these cards are used. I have some really crazy stories that would pepper your routine with anodes that people would never think about when you tell your background story of these the cards.


Best
Ray
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Nov 23, 2018 12:53PM)
Have to admit at 1st wasn't interested in these, but the more posts I've read I'm intrigued & may get these. Thinking they might pair well with Vic's Killer Clowns cards that I have in FBI portfolio carry case I got from a friend in the FBI.

Ray your post (thank you,very interesting story you shared) & then going to the site Dan has for these has me adding them to wifes xmas list ! LoL
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Nov 23, 2018 01:04PM)
Not sure it's a Lebanon Circle release as you can buy it here, it seems....

https://www.magicbox.uk.com/product/unsolved-francis-girola/?utm_source=Magicbox%20List&utm_campaign=00917e86dd-Black%20Friday%20Sale%20%2B%2020%25%20Discount%20On%20MagicBox%20Lines&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ce30ed3e3e-00917e86dd-398471909&mc_cid=00917e86dd&mc_eid=f412474c59
Message: Posted by: Bogbadger (Nov 23, 2018 01:57PM)
Not heard of Magicbox before, looks interesting. Must admit I’m more than happy to pay a little bit more to get them from Lebanon Circle. Much like John Lewis over here he never knowingly undersells! Thanks Ray, fascinating and extremely scary at the same time!
Message: Posted by: 252life (Nov 23, 2018 06:40PM)
They are fantastic imo. If anyone wanted to sneak up on any effects like Luna, etc, this would be a great place to start.
Tons of ideas for this already. I did not expect half as much as was delivered. There's even a Will to Read type word test included.
Not sure if I'll use that part of it personally, but it points to the thought put into this project.

(Also just grabbed Visionary 3.0, and I'd recommend that as well.)

Happy black fridaying :)

252Broke
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Nov 23, 2018 09:15PM)
[quote]On Nov 21, 2018, bartleby wrote:
This looks fascinating. I do need to ask about the phone number on the cards on the webpage. It jumped out to me as a clearly fake number for folks in North America. Am I reading that wrong? [/quote]

The phone numbers stuck out like a sore thumb to me too. I really wish creators would beta test their creations with some of us to get some useful feedback before production.
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Nov 23, 2018 09:57PM)
[quote]On Nov 23, 2018, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
[quote]On Nov 21, 2018, bartleby wrote:
This looks fascinating. I do need to ask about the phone number on the cards on the webpage. It jumped out to me as a clearly fake number for folks in North America. Am I reading that wrong? [/quote]

The phone numbers stuck out like a sore thumb to me too. I really wish creators would beta test their creations with some of us to get some useful feedback before production. [/quote]


I didn't give the phone number a thought until now. It is really sad that 555 was used. This is the prefix for fictional phone numbers. It was first used in TV shows to keep people from calling a real number. Anyone knowing this, would scream not real, fake. Now knowing this just makes me shake my head. But why not use a real prefix because it isn't like you will be giving the spectators the cards to take home.


The phone number on the cards that I was talking about in my other post had this number, 1-800-226-TIPS
Now that is a number to work with..... I just love the idea of using the word TIPS as the final four number.


Maybe numbers like these could have been used, 1-800-FOR-HELP, 1-800-SOLVE-IT , 1-800-HOT-TIPS, or maybe 1-800-RESOLVE. Who is going to pick up an 800 number that don't exist? Then maybe someone should call the fake number to see if someone picks up. If no one is at the other end, we have a WINNER.



Ray
Message: Posted by: Intrepid (Nov 24, 2018 06:05AM)
I didn't look at the phone number, that's not good. Bummer
Message: Posted by: roblane (Nov 24, 2018 10:29AM)
[quote]On Nov 21, 2018, Intrepid wrote:
I will not by any more cool props. I will not by any more cool props. Okay, who am I trying to fool, my finger was on the paypal button before I even finished reading the description. [/quote]
Likewise
Message: Posted by: Darkness (Nov 24, 2018 10:52AM)
My first reaction (not knowing there are cards like this in the real world), was disbelief and to laugh. I guess I'm the exception? Not really the reaction I wish to risk with others who may feel the same way. Regardless of a plausible backstory, I just can't take mugshot playing cards serious.

"...Phill Smith (‘DMC Elites’). Unsolved is a powerful tool for bizarrists"

Ok, if you say so...
Message: Posted by: ManxBull (Nov 24, 2018 01:43PM)
[quote]On Nov 24, 2018, Darkness wrote:
My first reaction (not knowing there are cards like this in the real world), was disbelief and to laugh. I guess I'm the exception? Not really the reaction I wish to risk with others who may feel the same way. Regardless of a plausible backstory, I just can't take mugshot playing cards serious.[/quote]

That's a valid criticism. I wondered about it too and did a bit of research on cold case cards online before clicking the buy button. I guess the way around it is to discuss the existence of the cards and their purpose before producing the pack. Where the effect warrants it, I'll sometimes bring a laptop with me to introduce stories with Wikipedia articles or short documentaries on Youtube.

In this instance, I'd begin by introducing the subject of cold cases in general, then "And you know what I discovered, in use in the US prison system..." then display a couple of screens showing the cards. Leading to "You can buy some of these decks, used or new, on ebay..." displaying an ebay screen. Finally, "I ordered one, so that we can use it as a window to explore some of these cold cases..."

Of course, it all depends whether it resonates with you personally. When an effect or a prop leaves you cold, don't use it. But there's a decent way in there if you want one. Beginning simply with "I have here a pack of playing cards with pictures of VICTIMS on them!!!! (Tantantaraaaa!)" obviously merits derision.

Just for the record, as far as the audience are concerned, the fact that these are playing cards is irrelevant, as the suits and values are never referred to in the presentation, just the cases.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Nov 24, 2018 01:44PM)
Https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=676406&forum=218
Message: Posted by: Delimbeau (Nov 24, 2018 03:54PM)
Https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most-wanted_Iraqi_playing_cards
Message: Posted by: Darkness (Nov 24, 2018 04:38PM)
I think rationalizing its existence (or how you might start a routine) or even having first hand experience with them, is second to me looking at playing cards and seeing people on it and thinking, ha! I had ones with naked ladies on them and these are not half as cool :)

When people know you are a "magician" and you pull out a deck of cards, whats the first thing they are likely to think? Ummm... this can't possibly be a pick a card trick disguised in a story?

I just think there are probably better choices out there for bizarre guys. Magician's yes.

Maybe I just dislike card tricks so much I cringe when I see them. But if you like cards that's great. I'm only expanding my view, not trying to change anyones mind (I really don't care enough to do that). Seems like bizarre OOTW and card based effects make up too much of what's available to us. We need to get aways from them not develop everything towards it. Magician's at heart... I know I get it.
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Nov 26, 2018 05:56PM)
Re: the phone numbers. Perhaps they could be redacted with a Sharpie with the rationale that these cases have all been closed?
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Nov 26, 2018 07:51PM)
[quote]On Nov 26, 2018, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
Re: the phone numbers. Perhaps they could be redacted with a Sharpie with the rationale that these cases have all been closed? [/quote]


Good idea, but, from my point of view, the number (if they were real) wouldn't be redacted. The reason is that the number is to a real call center that gathers information of all cases not just one. So the number is used for all unsolved cases. With that thinking, even if a case has been solved, a person could still look at that solved case card and have information on another case that they KNOW about and feel compelled to act. The number is still valid and designed for anyone to call it if they have any information on any case.




Ray
Message: Posted by: Mind Guerrilla (Dec 2, 2018 06:54PM)
[quote]On Nov 26, 2018, Magical Dimensions wrote:
[quote]On Nov 26, 2018, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
Re: the phone numbers. Perhaps they could be redacted with a Sharpie with the rationale that these cases have all been closed? [/quote]


Good idea, but, from my point of view, the number (if they were real) wouldn't be redacted. The reason is that the number is to a real call center that gathers information of all cases not just one. So the number is used for all unsolved cases. With that thinking, even if a case has been solved, a person could still look at that solved case card and have information on another case that they KNOW about and feel compelled to act. The number is still valid and designed for anyone to call it if they have any information on any case.




Ray [/quote]
Okay then...

How about:
"Would you believe? The call center was plagued by a rash of prank phone calls traced to a payphone in the school(library/whatever) where I last gave this presentation. So I've redacted the phone numbers to avoid that from happening again. In the event that anyone here actually does have some information on any of these cases, we can talk about it after the show."
Message: Posted by: Bogbadger (Dec 4, 2018 12:15AM)
"555" is an exchange number commonly thought to be reserved by the phone companies for use by TV and movies in order to prevent prank phone calls to real people. In fact, only 555-0100 through 555-0199 are now specifically reserved for fictional use, and the other numbers have been released for actual assignment.”

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FiveFiveFive
Message: Posted by: Seth speaks (Dec 5, 2018 12:04PM)
A real bummer about the obviously fake number, especially as it is so large and emphasized on each face. That's the single factor that kept me from buying this... It's not an insignificant detail, either; virtually [i]everyone[/i] knows that 555 equals FAKE.

:hmm:

That said, I do like the "redacting" method offered by MD and MG... maybe having the number blocked out by a Sharpie might actually make it seem more realistic..? Hmm, food for thought.

Seth
Message: Posted by: Intrepid (Dec 5, 2018 03:55PM)
[quote]On Dec 5, 2018, Seth speaks wrote:
A real bummer about the obviously fake number, especially as it is so large and emphasized on each face. That's the single factor that kept me from buying this... It's not an insignificant detail, either; virtually [i]everyone[/i] knows that 555 equals FAKE.

:hmm:

That said, I do like the "redacting" method offered by MD and MG... maybe having the number blocked out by a Sharpie might actually make it seem more realistic..? Hmm, food for thought.

Seth [/quote]
This is the best option so far.
Message: Posted by: Sean Xem (Dec 5, 2018 06:55PM)
[quote]On Dec 5, 2018, Seth speaks wrote:
A real bummer about the obviously fake number, especially as it is so large and emphasized on each face. That's the single factor that kept me from buying this... It's not an insignificant detail, either; virtually [i]everyone[/i] knows that 555 equals FAKE.

:hmm:

[/quote]

I have to agree. I want to buy this, but can’t look past that fake number. Not sure how you can suspend disbelief with that.

The premise of the effect looks great though.
Message: Posted by: Winks (Dec 6, 2018 10:58AM)
Yup. That 555 prefix is a show stopper. But, I do like the redacting idea.
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Dec 6, 2018 09:54PM)
I received my cards and they are great quality and natural fodder for some solid story telling.

I like the redacting story and the Sharpie solution...that could actually play as a positive. I think one could also just be frank and say that "the deck is a replica of the real thing, and even though it's a replica and the actual call center number has been replaced, the cases are...or I should say in many instances...were, real. What's also real are the very weird and disturbing properties that surround this deck and the stories it has to tell. I don't know if an object like a deck of cards can be haunted, but what I'm about to show you may prove otherwise..."