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Topic: Coin Star - Woo Hoo!!!
Message: Posted by: Chris "linkster" Watson (May 7, 2004 03:08AM)
Last night I managed to do a four coin roll down into a one handed Downs Star for the first time. I had a massive grin on my face for the rest of the night. Still a long way off from getting it every time (more like 1 in 50) but it's a start! Thought I''d share my joy with the Cafť....see all this practice does pay off after a while :bg:

The question I have for everyone is about the 5 coin star. Do you use the Downs Method (hollowed out coin and Magicians W**)? Does anyone do this with 5 ordinary coins and if so any tips on getting the 5th one to stay on your thumb?
Message: Posted by: Dave V (May 7, 2004 11:17AM)
Here in Las Vegas, Gary Darwin performs the five coin star with ungimmicked coins. Basically all it takes is practice (a lot!)to keep the last coin balanced on your thumb.
Message: Posted by: Jason Wethington (May 7, 2004 11:22AM)
My Buddies Tom Frank and Shawn Greer both do it with regular coins. The way they learned was to do it while they were on the ferry in New York, holding their hands out and over the water. If they failed their Morgans would be taking a swim.
Maybe not the smartest thing but it got them good really fast!
Good luck,
Message: Posted by: Randy Sager (May 7, 2004 12:31PM)
Another magician I have seen do the coin star very well is Bobby Bernard from England
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (May 7, 2004 01:21PM)
I can do it with my left hand....I'm right handed....dont know why....real coins...

Sunny holiday....BAM!....both hands....it's done....Sunny has the very best hands...its a tough thing...and it doesn't matter...but if you have nothing but time on your hands...have at it

By the way....5 coins not 4....very tough

Message: Posted by: Tom Frank (May 18, 2004 03:58AM)
The fifth coin does a little balancing act as the fingers seperate and the coin gently takes a nap on the thumb.

I'd like to add that it was Cellini's influence and expertise that motivated all of the guys that I know who are doing it.

My first wife Cricket, could perform the 5 Coin RollOut to Star with both hands. It was the only thing she could do, but she did it very well.

By the way Chris Watson, I share your joy and wish you the best in mastering the 5th coin!!

Rock on dude
Message: Posted by: Chris "linkster" Watson (May 18, 2004 04:26AM)
Thanks Tom, The Star seems to be getting harder the more I practice at the moment :( Guess a bit of perseverance required.

The way the thumb comes out from the hand seems impossible to balance anything on it. Are there any online videos of you doing the move Tom?
Message: Posted by: harris (May 21, 2004 02:43PM)
For just the "regular" coin star, I just use quarter or 50 cent (USA) sized coins.

I haven't got the knack with my morgans yet.

As far as the roll down to star, I have not put the time to get anywhere near showing anyone.

You are an inspiration to put more time in on it.

I remember when I started getting the 3 for 3 coin switch down from POS 2.

At first I thought NO WAY.

There is a way, and as they say,

if it was easy everyone was doing it.

OFF Topic.

I saw Dan Garret to an interesting "one card" switch
He changed the card twice.

Awesome. It reminded me of spell bound but with cards instead of coins.

Harris Deutsch
Message: Posted by: Tom Frank (May 22, 2004 02:56AM)
Near the end of this quicktime video clip is a pretty clear shot of the 5th coin doing it's balancing act. Enjoy.

Message: Posted by: mystre71 (May 22, 2004 08:08AM)
I believe it was Mickey Silver who did the 5 coin star with both hands at the LVMI/COINvention last Sept.
Hopefully he'll include it on the dvd?

I can do the 4 coin and have been working on the 5th for a while now but still having trouble with it.

Message: Posted by: Kevin Vu (May 23, 2004 03:43PM)
I can do three coins. Does that count ? hehe Great video Tom Frank. Wowzerz..
Message: Posted by: Chris "linkster" Watson (May 24, 2004 02:06AM)
Wow that video clip is awesome...just what I needed for some inspiration....thank you Tom.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 10, 2004 12:49PM)
I learned it with ungaffed silver dollars from Bobby Bernard. There are actually two different methods, "The Flipover" and the "Vacuum". Bobby uses the "Vacuum".
Message: Posted by: Chris "linkster" Watson (Jun 11, 2004 03:40AM)
Hi Bill,

I have met Bobby who very kindly showed me his workings on the himber vanish. He developed the initial move into more what we see today and he has some moves which I haven't even seen Sankey do. Very cool. Any idea if Bobby's stuff is in print and where I might find it?

Message: Posted by: Randy Sager (Jun 11, 2004 04:03PM)
I know in one of the Ganson Teach in series booklets. Bobby taught the coin star and other items of his. There was also a book put out back in the 80's of Bobby's card and coin work.
Message: Posted by: Wrenn (Jun 14, 2004 12:34AM)
I've been doing the 5 coin roll down and the 5 coin downs star for ages but for some reason never thought to connect the two as Tom Frank does in that video.

Something new to work on. ;-)
Message: Posted by: stephen secret (Jun 28, 2004 05:51PM)
Also, look in Mark Wilson course in magic (book) for two ways to attain the four coins.

It took me 12 weeks riding around Mexico working on this move. People like seeing this.
Message: Posted by: Chris "linkster" Watson (Jun 29, 2004 04:44AM)
Cheers Stephen I'll check that out.

Recently managed to pick up the Bobby Bernard book which teaches the coin star. There is also a fascinating set of photos which capture T. Nelson Downs showing the coin star to someone on the street. The shots are captured from a cine recording. Fascinating bit of history.

There is also a brilliant article on condition of the hands before performing along with some hints that Bobby picked up from Cardini. Brilliant book.
Message: Posted by: carbone1853 (Jul 23, 2004 11:48PM)
Does anyone perform the 4/5 coin star as a trick? Like in the Amateur Magician Handbook. Iíve tried many variations and I canít seem to make it look magical. I have also performed it as a flourish but the coin star, as a flourish does not get as good a reaction as the role down and the star is much more difficult.

Any suggestions on how to make it look magical as a trick would be helpful.

Message: Posted by: mystre71 (Jul 24, 2004 07:51AM)
Vanish the coins and then under cover of a silk do the star then whip the silk showing the coins have reapeared.

Carney does this (but not with the coin star were talking about here) he does the coin star production with the coins appearing at the tips of each pair of fingers.

Message: Posted by: mattisdx (Jul 24, 2004 10:00AM)
On 2004-05-23 16:43, Vudoo wrote:
I can do three coins. Does that count ? hehe Great video Tom Frank. Wowzerz..

Darn, I can barely do 1. But I can shuffle 5 casino chips together like they do on TV !!!! :D