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Topic: "Winner Dice" effect: Reviews?
Message: Posted by: Rocketeer (Dec 18, 2018 01:45PM)
Does anyone have an opinion or know of any reviews on this? In short you can roll this die multiple times and get a different result (of your choice!) every time,

So this could work as either a prediction or telekinesis. Three times in a row is a one in 216 (6 x 6 x 6) chance.

Here's the blurb:

Winner's Dice is a normal-looking die that can force ANY NUMBER between 1 to 6.

It uses a very special technology which makes our die fully examinable. The spectator can check the die and he can try throwing it to make sure the results are random. But actually, you are in control of the outcome!

The forcing result can be changed during the performance, so you can do something like having two different predictions written on two white cards facing down -- one for you and one for your spectator. You throw the die, show the result and turn over the first card -- the prediction matches the number. Then the spectator throws the same die -- the result is different from the first time. Then he turns over the second card -- this card's prediction matches the second result!

You can use this to make a prediction (even an open prediction) or mindreading routine, or you can also just use it as a force in your own routine. The power of this gimmick is limited only by your imagination!!!

Remember:

There is No switch. No other dice. Just one die can force 6 numbers
You can control and change the results in real time
No electric device
Spectator can throw the die themselves to complete the force
Fully examinable
Use any borrowed Cup or Glass or Bowl
Very Practical

About US$40

Video here:

https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/amazing-magic/winners-dice/

This looks good but so did the RMS Titanic on April 14, 1912.

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Rocketeer (Dec 18, 2018 01:51PM)
Oops! I just did a search and found this thread from yesterday:

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=681490&forum=218
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Dec 18, 2018 02:45PM)
Happy to see a thread on this dice here as the thread in latest and greatest was overrun with moronic trolls exposing the product and asking silly questions like self entitled brats.

I look forward to seeing reviews. If it's reliable it has huge potential.
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Dec 18, 2018 04:44PM)
In my mind...at this point the main issue is if the cubes look like normal American dice (diagonal 2 spot) and Ace spot the same size as all the other spots.

I hear that the dice do look normal....but, have not verified it with my own eyes.... the only reason I am concerned is because the video clips and still photos show 2 different style dies.
Message: Posted by: chuds (Dec 18, 2018 05:23PM)
But do you think the spec will actually notice that the die is not quite regular (if so?) I would hope that the presentation is the main thought in their minds.

Only my opinion of course.
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Dec 18, 2018 07:17PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2018, ed wood wrote:
Happy to see a thread on this dice here as the thread in latest and greatest was overrun with moronic trolls exposing the product and asking silly questions like self entitled brats.

I look forward to seeing reviews. If it's reliable it has huge potential. [/quote]

Bit of an exaggeration I'd say.

There were some legitimate questions being asked. If a dealer openly promotes the sale of an item through his website there then he has opened the door to legitimate questions. The video posted depicts a die that is apparently different in appearance than the one you will receive. This fact will naturally draw questions because the die depicted had some odd attributes that aren't seen on standard dice. I too had a legitimate question. Asking if the die [i]must[/i] be rolled in a receptacle instead of rolling it on a table is also a fair and legitimate question. Online dealers tend to face more questions in general because the customer is only given a limited view window with which to base their decision-making processes on. Asking if the die must be rolled in a receptacle is not a silly question. Let's be frank here, this is not how people roll dice in the real world.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 18, 2018 07:32PM)
I agree with Sudo's take. There is something I don't like in the way this is being presented and for that reason, I will not purchase this product unless forthcoming reviews are able to change my mind. And I am not a moronic troll.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Dec 18, 2018 07:42PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2018, aligator wrote:
I agree with Sudo's take. There is something I don't like in the way this is being presented and for that reason, I will not purchase this product unless forthcoming reviews are able to change my mind. And I am not a moronic troll. [/quote]


And I’d like to add...





ditto :)
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Dec 19, 2018 04:14AM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2018, Sudo Nimh wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2018, ed wood wrote:
Happy to see a thread on this dice here as the thread in latest and greatest was overrun with moronic trolls exposing the product and asking silly questions like self entitled brats.

I look forward to seeing reviews. If it's reliable it has huge potential. [/quote]

Bit of an exaggeration I'd say.

There were some legitimate questions being asked. If a dealer openly promotes the sale of an item through his website there then he has opened the door to legitimate questions. The video posted depicts a die that is apparently different in appearance than the one you will receive. This fact will naturally draw questions because the die depicted had some odd attributes that aren't seen on standard dice. I too had a legitimate question. Asking if the die [i]must[/i] be rolled in a receptacle instead of rolling it on a table is also a fair and legitimate question. Online dealers tend to face more questions in general because the customer is only given a limited view window with which to base their decision-making processes on. Asking if the die must be rolled in a receptacle is not a silly question. Let's be frank here, this is not how people roll dice in the real world. [/quote]

Really, you think calling people who expose a method moronic is a bit of an exaggeration? I'm sure you wouldn't feel the same way if this was your product.
There were some legitimate questions asked. Which you chose to ask repeatedly. Never giving anyone the chance to answer them before asking again and again and again. This behaviour just encouraged those who felt entitled to expose the method. You also chose to ask the question of a dealer who whilst aware of the method was not the expert and as a dealer and not the creator is not in the position to judge how much information he can make public knowledge about a method. You were advised to contact the creator which is what you should have done instead of bogging down the thread with repeated questions. The point here is that you were asking the question publicly, answers to this question could to some extent expose the method and therefore should have been asked and answered in private.
The moronic trolls comment was aimed at those who exposed the method. This behaviour is reprehensible and should result in immediate banning from the Café.
The subject of the appearance of the dice appears to have been addressed.
As this is penny and not latest and greatest lets avoid pointless bickering and further exposure and await reviews.
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Dec 19, 2018 08:56AM)
Do you need a screwdriver?

I've already made my points and I stand by them.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 19, 2018 08:57AM)
Awaiting reviews seems reasonable.
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Dec 19, 2018 09:11AM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2018, aligator wrote:
Awaiting reviews seems reasonable. [/quote]

It surely does. For me though, I already have the answer I need because rather than being given a straight answer of "yes" or "no", Dominic's answer actually gave away the method when he could've simply said "no" - and that's all I was asking for. I think it was pretty clear that my question was inquiring about a legitimate and unhindered roll on a table [i]without[/i] needing to use the hand as a backstop - as Dominic revealed. It is a fair question and not silly in the slightest. The fact is, it cannot be rolled freely without hindrance, and for that reason, I'm not interested any longer because it isn't suitable for the specific use I had in mind.
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Dec 19, 2018 04:34PM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2018, Sudo Nimh wrote:
Do you need a screwdriver?

I've already made my points and I stand by them. [/quote]


Why would I need a screwdriver?
Message: Posted by: Expertmagician (Dec 19, 2018 08:56PM)
You need a screwdriver and a hammer to break the die open to see how it works :-)
Message: Posted by: Christopher Taylor (Dec 20, 2018 10:30PM)
I rarely provide reviews, and I was not asked for this one, but this device is so FULL of potential I have to shout out about it. Its appearance, ease of use and reliability make it so. I KNOW I can double the impact of several of my pet routines with this. There are a good number of ways to increase the ease of using these things that were not mentioned in the instructions too. AND, I have already figured out a way to use Winners Dice WITHOUT THE CUP. My highest recommendation!

Christopher
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Dec 20, 2018 11:08PM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2018, ed wood wrote:
[quote]On Dec 19, 2018, Sudo Nimh wrote:
Do you need a screwdriver?

I've already made my points and I stand by them. [/quote]


Why would I need a screwdriver? [/quote]
if you had a screw loose you would need one.
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Dec 21, 2018 04:06AM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2018, the Sponge wrote:
[quote]On Dec 19, 2018, ed wood wrote:
[quote]On Dec 19, 2018, Sudo Nimh wrote:
Do you need a screwdriver?

I've already made my points and I stand by them. [/quote]


Why would I need a screwdriver? [/quote]
if you had a screw loose you would need one. [/quote]

That was my assumption. I just hoped that Sudo, a man who often uses his own mental health issues as a reason for his frequently bizarre behaviour wouldn't resort to insults of this nature. Pretty despicable if this is the case.
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Dec 21, 2018 04:14AM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2018, Christopher Taylor wrote:
I rarely provide reviews, and I was not asked for this one, but this device is so FULL of potential I have to shout out about it. Its appearance, ease of use and reliability make it so. I KNOW I can double the impact of several of my pet routines with this. There are a good number of ways to increase the ease of using these things that were not mentioned in the instructions too. AND, I have already figured out a way to use Winners Dice WITHOUT THE CUP. My highest recommendation!

Christopher [/quote]

Thanks for the review. This is what I've been hoping to hear....a review from someone who actually owns the product, it's a Christmas miracle!!
Message: Posted by: 252life (Dec 21, 2018 11:22AM)
[quote]On Dec 21, 2018, ed wood wrote:
[quote]On Dec 20, 2018, the Sponge wrote:
[quote]On Dec 19, 2018, ed wood wrote:
[quote]On Dec 19, 2018, Sudo Nimh wrote:
Do you need a screwdriver?

I've already made my points and I stand by them. [/quote]


Why would I need a screwdriver? [/quote]
if you had a screw loose you would need one. [/quote]

That was my assumption. I just hoped that Sudo, a man who often uses his own mental health issues as a reason for his frequently bizarre behaviour wouldn't resort to insults of this nature. Pretty despicable if this is the case. [/quote]

What a low life comment.
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Dec 21, 2018 05:51PM)
[quote]On Dec 21, 2018, 252life wrote:
[quote]On Dec 21, 2018, ed wood wrote:
[quote]On Dec 20, 2018, the Sponge wrote:
[quote]On Dec 19, 2018, ed wood wrote:
[quote]On Dec 19, 2018, Sudo Nimh wrote:
Do you need a screwdriver?

I've already made my points and I stand by them. [/quote]


Why would I need a screwdriver? [/quote]
if you had a screw loose you would need one. [/quote]

That was my assumption. I just hoped that Sudo, a man who often uses his own mental health issues as a reason for his frequently bizarre behaviour wouldn't resort to insults of this nature. Pretty despicable if this is the case. [/quote]

What a low life comment. [/quote]


and a merry Christmas to you too.

How exactly is that a low life comment? I'm just a little shocked that a man who has received nothing but support for mental health issues would cast aspersions regarding others mental health Actually, don't answer that.....for the love of the baby Jesus and Santa and his Reindeer lets not bring this place down to the level of Latest and greatest

Back on topic.....I'm intrigued by this dice, just ordered one although doubt I'll receive it now until next year.
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Dec 21, 2018 06:33PM)
Uh...that's not what I meant. You're jumping to conclusions and making assumptions again. I meant the opposite - so that you could drive the screws in just a bit deeper. If I wanted to say "you have a screw loose", I'd say it. You basically painted everyone who had a question as asking "silly questions" or being a "moronic troll". I tried to calmly explain my perspective regarding that thread and you decided to drive the screws in deeper by saying:

[i]"Really, you think calling people who expose a method moronic is a bit of an exaggeration? I'm sure you wouldn't feel the same way if this was your product.
There were some legitimate questions asked. Which you chose to ask repeatedly. Never giving anyone the chance to answer them before asking again and again and again."[/i]

First of all, I did ask and he did answer. Perhaps you missed that part. But his answer was in fact a side-step because rather than just saying yes or no like most dealers would, he gave me a song and a dance which I didn't appreciate. I've been a magic dealer in a brick and mortar shop and I feel that his intention was to lead me to believe that it was possible to do what I was asking about when it's pretty clear that my question was asking about an unhindered roll. So yes, I demanded a straight answer afterwards because I don't appreciate dancing answers. I find it insulting and I would have never given this sort of answer when I was a dealer. And this nonsense where you suddenly assume that I'm ok with exposure is absurd. I was very clearly taking exception with what you had to say about people who were asking reasonable questions, but you decided to try and twist the situation to fit your agenda with that bit of ridiculousness.

As I said before, I stand by what I said. Trust me, if I had something malicious to say to you, I'd say it straight up. The fact is, I wasn't looking for a fight despite the fact that you were name calling. I simply tried to give a calm and rational response and you decided to keep trying to twist the screws. If you're not looking for a confrontation, then maybe you should try having a little more tact next time and not paint everybody with the same brush and resorting to name calling as though you're some sort of white knight. It's odd, because you and I never interact, but you sure seem to have lots of negativity to throw in my direction.
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Dec 22, 2018 04:23AM)
Sigh, Sudo, I don't think I've ever interacted with you before so no negativity from me directed at you personally. If that's what you meant then all is cool.
As for the name calling. I have made it very clear I called people who expose products morons. I said before that whilst your question was reasonable, you were directing it at someone who was not in a position to answer publicly and there was no reason to ask it repeatedly. An email to the creator would have answered all your questions.
You've stated this product is not for you, I've made the opposite choice and that's all we have left to disagree on. Happy to discuss the product with you further when I receive it. Have a great Christmas.
Message: Posted by: Sudo Nimh (Dec 22, 2018 04:59AM)
Fair enough Ed. Admittedly, I can be cranky sometimes and I was perhaps a tad crankier than usual on that thread. I don't like squabbling so I'm gonna leave things be and wish you a Merry Christmas as well. Best of the season to you and yours.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Taylor (Dec 22, 2018 09:36AM)
Sudo and Ed: :applause:
Message: Posted by: qkeli (Dec 28, 2018 12:29PM)
Hi, I received it 2 days ago and one of the gimmicks broke in less than then 5 minutes by contacting the other one, dud any one enco7nter the same issue ?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 28, 2018 04:20PM)
Nope, but its a common issue to be aware of when handling them... just buy some online...
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 30, 2018 10:13AM)
Does it say in the instructions, they should never make contact?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 30, 2018 03:25PM)
No. But you've handled magnets before right? And of course they can come into contact with one another, you just have to manage it... Same as using any kind of pk related thing...
Message: Posted by: Gaffus Maximus (Jan 17, 2019 01:30PM)
I received Winners Dice recently and I'm already enjoying this. I use Winners Dice to force a couple of numbers (in my first phase of a routine) before switching in PM's RD to allow them to choose any number themselves (for second phase of a routine). Although the two dice are the same size, there is a slight difference in shade of white and material... the WD is a slightly darker white and appears plastic and the RD is a slightly brighter white and appears to be more bone like... but so far no one has noticed that the routine started with a lighter shade and ended with a darker shade. I've attached a pic of the two dice side by side for reference.

For those of you have or get WD, there's an easier way to switch the force number in the middle of the routine. For those who already have this, you probably figured this out on your own. This works especially well if you only plan to force 2 different numbers like I do in my routine. You won't need to use one of the two special items that you receive with WD. You only use the one that works in conjunction with your cup. After you force the first number, simply reverse the item that works in conjunction with your cup and you will be forcing the other side of the die... which has the added bonus of totaling 7 from both rolls if you choose to use that information for something else. :)
Message: Posted by: Gaffus Maximus (Jan 17, 2019 01:48PM)
WD and RD side by side
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Jan 19, 2019 07:12AM)
Did somebody say "review?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPYTuYKElU8
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Jan 21, 2019 12:05AM)
Are the #2 spots diagonal like the die shown on the outside of the box or are they horizontal/vertical like the die in the video?
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Jan 21, 2019 09:23AM)
I show the two spot in my video review above (as well as several other sides) they ARE diagonal
Message: Posted by: wulfiesmith (Jul 31, 2019 02:24PM)
I would assume there has to be **g***s involved.
Which would come into play whether the dice were inside a cup or not.

Regardless, this could be an excellent effect.
I only came across this thread whilst looking for a dice effect myself ... and still looking.
Message: Posted by: Psychiac (Jul 31, 2019 07:22PM)
No Afghans are involved, I assure you.
Message: Posted by: wulfiesmith (Aug 6, 2019 11:17AM)
"Psychiac" ...
ha ... like your thinking
Message: Posted by: AceOfShades (Aug 26, 2019 05:31PM)
I have this and it seems pretty good. I do believe you could totally do it without a receptacle but may have to be careful about how you roll or it may look... odd. Can't really go into why without exposure. There is some extra stuff involved besides just a die so that needs to be taken into consideration but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out a way to deal with that. I believe it would also be possible to have a gimmicked table or pad or something that should allow you to switch between forcing or fair rolls but that seems excessive.

As for the included gimmicks breaking, they are a material fairly commonly known to be not very robust and can be bought online for cheap so I suppose just be careful with them and it should be fine.

With regards to it not forcing or breaking if set to a second number, that may be resolved by the instructions provided with the die. But I have not had any issues with that in my, albeit limited, experience with the die.